I average like 18-20 all around but I do mostly city driving. Long distance cruising will get me over 30mpg pretty easy but you have to be super gentle on the skinny pedal. Any trip into boost territory and the fuel economy plummets.

 

Also, it's pretty coincidental that this price cut happens just as GM launches the new Bolt twins!

 

These look better than the aero wheels






https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/orbital--2#/

 

310 miles, the longest range of any vehicle they've ever tested, including the Porsche Taycan with 93kwh battery. Yet the model 3 has a significantly smaller battery and cost much less

 

Why they didn’t test the S and X?

 

I’ve been seeing more Taycans on the streets here in SF.

looks so damn nice

 

If you can't see why the Taycan costs so much more than a Model 3 then there's really no hope for you.

 

All I got from that is none of the Teslas tested were able to meet or beat the EPA rated range. Ford? Beats the EPA rated range. Porsche? Beats the EPA rated range. Hyundai? Beats it. VW, BMW & Mini beat it too.

InsideEVs must be Tesla haters. Wonder who their CEO had lunch with the day this test was done? Bet it was the head of VWs' grandkids' nanny.

 

I see we are talking about range again sigh...

 

These guys are really making me question my decision. I guess I'd just look like your usual BMW driving douche with the other option though.

 

I can tell you that most of the BMW driving douches will be the first ones to criticize BMW. The current 4 and M3/M4 get bashed on BMW forum more than anywhere else

I can't say the same about most of the Tesla owners tho. It seems that Tesla can do no wrong. They would sit in a circle for hours just talk about how handsome Elon Musk is while having wine and cheese.

Different crowd.

 

Different crowd, same result.

 

TESLA INVOLVED IN FATAL CRASH ON 210 FREEWAY NEAR FONTANA WAS ON AUTOPILOT, CHP SAYS
https://abc7.com/tesla-fontana-inves...atal/10634134/

 

 

This is pretty cool

 

got damn MSM and their quick false reporting.

 

That is neat. I'd get one. But honestly I would only want it for the carplay feature

 

Good video, except for the moment where Robert, who's driven almost 50k mi in a 3, says that the Model 3 doesn't have one pedal driving. The comment section quickly refuted that

 

1 pedal driving is the stupidest shit ever. That is like asking to be rear ended, not to mention how uncomfortable it is for your passengers.

 

HAving seen both in person, I prefer the Polestar on looks.

@SamDoe1 did you guys look at any of the Polestar models in your pre-3 search?

 

It simplifies the braking system because you don't need to blend the friction brakes with the regenerative braking. On the 3/Y at least (and maybe the S/X), the brake pedal only controls the friction brakes. Also, the taillights do light up based on how quickly the car is decelerating, so I'm not sure why you'd think you'd be more likely to be rear ended. As far as comfort...yeah, I don't like it. My right foot gets more tired because you have to carefully feather the throttle to just to be smooth.

 

Is that something new?

Cuz the different kind of EVs i have followed, their brake lights dont light up until the very end.... nothing like a traditional brake light where it lights up the moment you step on the pedal. it seems the brake light only works during 1 pedal driving at certain high speed

I know because i could see how fast i approach someone from behind and their lights dont light up until they were almost completely stopped.

When i was driving the Model 3, i remember i had to purposely step on the brake, even tho i didnt have to. So the car behind me knows that i was braking.

 

honestly this just sounds like another downside to these things. One pedal driving? No coasting? Seems like a pita.

 

I think most people that have a car with 1 pedal driving prefer it.

Everytime I drive a Tesla it takes a while to get used to the regen braking but it you drive it everyday you get used to it. I think the only difference between normal regen braking and 1 pedal driving is at low speeds like 5MPH the regen will still be strong enough to come to a complete stop and keep you still. Normal regen will just slow you down to a slow speed and then you use the brake pedal to stop.

 

wtf is 1 pedal driving?

 

^ Regenerative braking to decelerate instead of using the brake pedal, I believe.

 

I seriously hope this isn't how all EVs work.

 

i mean, my 3G TL will gradually slow down if i take my foot off the gas. Is it like that?

 

 

For us non-EV normies, someone compared one-pedal driving to a manual-equipped car with strong engine braking when lifting off the throttle, similar to how aggressive the TSX was if you didn't clutch in right away. Not a fan of it at all.

However, I can see where OPD makes sense in an EV when crawling along in traffic, but I would absolutely detest it when cruising along or driving at speed. Blended regen at speed makes a lot more sense, and this is where paddle shifters to help choose the level of regen should be an absolute must for all EVs.

 

knowing me i'll slam on the gas instead of the brakes.

 

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Imo...driving an ev should be like driving an ice car,, except its propulsion is...you know...electric.

You shouldn't have to re-learn how to drive, or get "used to it". poor concept, design, and execution.

 

You don't have to enable it

 

I don't know about other EVs, but on the Model S and 3 the brake lights definitely come on without you having to step on the brake pedal.

 

Some EVs like the Polestar 2 and XC40 Recharge allow you to turn off one pedal driving entirely because their regenerative braking is blended. Personally I prefer turning it completely off because coasting is more efficient anyways, and one pedal driving feels kind of gimmicky.

 

yah.. except it is like that x 50. It feels like you are braking without stepping on the pedal....actually that is exactly what happens

But you can adjust the sensitivity on it now (obviously, less sensitivity = you cant really do 1 pedal driving anymore).... you could not adjust that a few years ago on some EV... i can tell you that it was very difficult NOT to make your passengers puke cuz it felt like you are either accelerating or braking with nothing in between...

 

It feels like from 6th to 4th at 70mph... no rev match of course.
But honestly, it does not feel the same as engine brake.... not even close IMO. It is a lot more aggressive or "unnatural" for lack of better word.

I am sure for the EV drivers, you will eventually get used to it... but for passengers and OTHER drivers on the road, i dont think it is a good idea.

 

Is this why is so frustrating to drive behind Prius’ and EV cars?

 

that is good to know but that was not the same before. or on the older models. even on Tesla. Cuz i have witnessed it myself many times..
Also 1 thing that guy should also test is if adjusting the sensitivity will make any difference...

 

Prius is a different story.... it is the driver not the car.