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#241
Sanest Florida Man
hhmmm...
#242
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You do realize that the Ford Foundation hasn't been related to the Ford Motor Company for nearly 5 decades, right? They also have nothing to do with the automotive industry at all.
The Ford Foundations purpose is: To reduce poverty and injustice, strengthen democratic values, promote international cooperation, and advance human achievement.
The Ford Foundations purpose is: To reduce poverty and injustice, strengthen democratic values, promote international cooperation, and advance human achievement.
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#243
Moderator
Why does it feel like this thread is becoming a repository of pro-Tesla spam harvested from every website across the Internet?
#244
Ex-OEM King
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#245
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#246
Sanest Florida Man
You do realize that the Ford Foundation hasn't been related to the Ford Motor Company for nearly 5 decades, right? They also have nothing to do with the automotive industry at all.
The Ford Foundations purpose is: To reduce poverty and injustice, strengthen democratic values, promote international cooperation, and advance human achievement.
The Ford Foundations purpose is: To reduce poverty and injustice, strengthen democratic values, promote international cooperation, and advance human achievement.
#247
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#248
Sanest Florida Man
Sure.
Any comment on this
All driver assistance features can be abused and exploited to make the car drive itself without a human in the drivers seat but it only becomes a nationwide news story when it happens in a Tesla. The same company that doesn't spend billions every year advertising on the news channels that run these stories. If the news covers a similar GM story it focuses the blame on the driver and not the company that gives them millions in advertising every year.
Any comment on this
All driver assistance features can be abused and exploited to make the car drive itself without a human in the drivers seat but it only becomes a nationwide news story when it happens in a Tesla. The same company that doesn't spend billions every year advertising on the news channels that run these stories. If the news covers a similar GM story it focuses the blame on the driver and not the company that gives them millions in advertising every year.
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#249
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It becomes a nationwide news story when people die.
#250
Azine Jabroni
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#251
Ex-OEM King
Sure.
Any comment on this
All driver assistance features can be abused and exploited to make the car drive itself without a human in the drivers seat but it only becomes a nationwide news story when it happens in a Tesla. The same company that doesn't spend billions every year advertising on the news channels that run these stories. If the news covers a similar GM story it focuses the blame on the driver and not the company that gives them millions in advertising every year.
Any comment on this
All driver assistance features can be abused and exploited to make the car drive itself without a human in the drivers seat but it only becomes a nationwide news story when it happens in a Tesla. The same company that doesn't spend billions every year advertising on the news channels that run these stories. If the news covers a similar GM story it focuses the blame on the driver and not the company that gives them millions in advertising every year.
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#252
Sanest Florida Man
Elon Musk announced that Tesla started production of what he has now called “Powerwall 2 Plus” back in November of last year.
Leave it to Tesla to launch a new product and not tell anyone about it for six months.
The Powerwall 2 was introduced back in 2016, and it hasn’t been updated much since its release.
Last week, we reported on Tesla CEO Elon Musk discussing a significant power capacity increase for the home battery pack.
The CEO said that Tesla would unlock the capacity through a software update, but he didn’t elaborate on an actual production date cutoff for the new product.
Now during the conference call following Tesla’s Q1 2021 financial results, Musk confirmed that they started production of the new version “roughly in November of last year”:
“It’s actually ‘Powerwall 2 Plus’, if you will. The plus refers to a higher peak power capability. So basically, all Powerwalls made since roughly November of last year have a lot more peak power capability than the specification on the website. They have about twice the power capability roughly.”
Like the use of ‘”Plus” in the Model 3 Standard Range Plus, it looks like Tesla is using a similar naming scheme to note the change in capacity of the new Powerwall.
Tesla currently advertises the Powerwall 2’s power capacity at 7 kW peak and 5 kW continuous, and now they are talking about Powerwall 2 Plus having roughly twice that capacity.
During the call, Musk also elaborated on Tesla’s recent move to only sell Powerwalls with solar installations and vice versa:
“The difficulty of the installation will be much less. It will be much easier because the power from the solar roof, Solarglass Roof or the solar panels, will only ever go directly into the Powerwall. And the Powerwall will only ever go between the utility and the main power panel of the house, which means you never need to touch the main circuit breakers of the house.”
The CEO continued:
“Effectively, almost every house, therefore, looks the same electrically instead of being a unique work of art and requiring exceptional ability to rewire the main panel. So this is extremely important for scalability. It’s the only way to do it, really. And this also means that every solar and Powerwall installation at a house, or whatever the case may be, will be its own utility.”
This is getting Tesla one step closer to Musk’s vision of “Tesla Energy becoming a distributed global utility.”
Leave it to Tesla to launch a new product and not tell anyone about it for six months.
The Powerwall 2 was introduced back in 2016, and it hasn’t been updated much since its release.
Last week, we reported on Tesla CEO Elon Musk discussing a significant power capacity increase for the home battery pack.
The CEO said that Tesla would unlock the capacity through a software update, but he didn’t elaborate on an actual production date cutoff for the new product.
Now during the conference call following Tesla’s Q1 2021 financial results, Musk confirmed that they started production of the new version “roughly in November of last year”:
“It’s actually ‘Powerwall 2 Plus’, if you will. The plus refers to a higher peak power capability. So basically, all Powerwalls made since roughly November of last year have a lot more peak power capability than the specification on the website. They have about twice the power capability roughly.”
Like the use of ‘”Plus” in the Model 3 Standard Range Plus, it looks like Tesla is using a similar naming scheme to note the change in capacity of the new Powerwall.
Tesla currently advertises the Powerwall 2’s power capacity at 7 kW peak and 5 kW continuous, and now they are talking about Powerwall 2 Plus having roughly twice that capacity.
During the call, Musk also elaborated on Tesla’s recent move to only sell Powerwalls with solar installations and vice versa:
“The difficulty of the installation will be much less. It will be much easier because the power from the solar roof, Solarglass Roof or the solar panels, will only ever go directly into the Powerwall. And the Powerwall will only ever go between the utility and the main power panel of the house, which means you never need to touch the main circuit breakers of the house.”
The CEO continued:
“Effectively, almost every house, therefore, looks the same electrically instead of being a unique work of art and requiring exceptional ability to rewire the main panel. So this is extremely important for scalability. It’s the only way to do it, really. And this also means that every solar and Powerwall installation at a house, or whatever the case may be, will be its own utility.”
This is getting Tesla one step closer to Musk’s vision of “Tesla Energy becoming a distributed global utility.”
https://electrek.co/2021/04/27/elon-...tion-november/
#253
Sanest Florida Man
Tesla Says Texas Crash Likely Had Someone In The Driver's Seat (insideevs.com)
Tesla waited for its Q1 2021 earnings call to finally address the fatal crash that killed two men in Texas. According to Lars Moravy, Tesla’s vice president for Vehicle Engineering, the information that there was no one in the driver’s seat that came from authorities at the crash site would not stand against the deformed steering wheel in the Model S.
Moravy said Tesla “worked directly with the local authorities, NTSB and NHTSA” and came to some conclusions regarding that crash. The first one was “that Autosteer did not and could not engage on the road condition as it was designed.” Despite that, the “adaptive cruise control only engaged when a driver was buckled in about 5 mph,” and “it only accelerated to 30 mph with the distance before the car crashed.” You can listen to him in the recording below.
You will also hear that the “adaptive cruise control disengaged the car fully to complete to a stop when the driver's seatbelt was unbuckled.” That suggests the ACC was activated, accelerated the car to 30 mph, and was deactivated when the seat belt was unbuckled. According to Moravy, “all seatbelts post-crash were found to be unbuckled.”
At this point in the recording, the Tesla VP reveals the most important element to deny the vehicle did not have anyone in the driver’s seat, as authorities reported. According to Moravy, “the steering wheel was indeed deformed, leading to a likelihood that someone was in the driver's seat at the time of the crash.” The theory is that the steering wheel deformed when the unbuckled driver hit it.
Moravy said Tesla “worked directly with the local authorities, NTSB and NHTSA” and came to some conclusions regarding that crash. The first one was “that Autosteer did not and could not engage on the road condition as it was designed.” Despite that, the “adaptive cruise control only engaged when a driver was buckled in about 5 mph,” and “it only accelerated to 30 mph with the distance before the car crashed.” You can listen to him in the recording below.
You will also hear that the “adaptive cruise control disengaged the car fully to complete to a stop when the driver's seatbelt was unbuckled.” That suggests the ACC was activated, accelerated the car to 30 mph, and was deactivated when the seat belt was unbuckled. According to Moravy, “all seatbelts post-crash were found to be unbuckled.”
At this point in the recording, the Tesla VP reveals the most important element to deny the vehicle did not have anyone in the driver’s seat, as authorities reported. According to Moravy, “the steering wheel was indeed deformed, leading to a likelihood that someone was in the driver's seat at the time of the crash.” The theory is that the steering wheel deformed when the unbuckled driver hit it.
Originally Posted by Lars Moravy, Tesla’s Vice President of Vehicle Engineering
We did a study with the authorities within the past week to understand what happened in that particular crash and what we have learned from that is Autosteer did not and could not engage on the road conditions as it was designed and adaptive cruise control only engaged when the driver was buckled and driving above 5 mph, and it only accelerated to 30 mph within the distance before the car crash.”
As well, the car’s adaptive cruise control decelerated and came to a stop after the driver’s seatbelt was unbuckled. Through further investigation of the vehicle accident remains with NTSB and local police and we were able to find that the steering wheel was indeed deformed leading to the likelihood that someone was indeed in the driver’s seat and all seatbelts post-crash were unbuckled.
As well, the car’s adaptive cruise control decelerated and came to a stop after the driver’s seatbelt was unbuckled. Through further investigation of the vehicle accident remains with NTSB and local police and we were able to find that the steering wheel was indeed deformed leading to the likelihood that someone was indeed in the driver’s seat and all seatbelts post-crash were unbuckled.
#254
As I said before, this makes the situation worse, as it proves that the driver survived the accident enough to get out into the back seat, but somehow both occupants (even though alive) couldn’t get out of the car, presumably the central locking couldn’t be unlocked / manual override couldn’t be found....... and they got burnt alive.....One of the worst ways to die.
Not sure if Tesla or any automakers can be held accountable for post crash scenarios like this. Perhaps yes.
Not sure if Tesla or any automakers can be held accountable for post crash scenarios like this. Perhaps yes.
#255
Ex-OEM King
Are you suggesting the driver survived the crash but got into the back seat so he could be burned alive?
Yes, they can be held accountable if you cannot escape a burning car with the power off. That's a poor design.
Yes, they can be held accountable if you cannot escape a burning car with the power off. That's a poor design.
#256
Azine Jabroni
I'm going to be that guy: The solution to this is manual doors with frames. The whole fucking software-based door thing is silly and only exists to protect the door/window trim. They should really just do away with that. Why re-invent the wheel?
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#257
Ex-OEM King
I'm guessing it's just shoddy software execution. I get why they don't want manual overrides, but in an accident all the doors need to unlock.
I'm going to be that guy: The solution to this is manual doors with frames. The whole fucking software-based door thing is silly and only exists to protect the door/window trim. They should really just do away with that. Why re-invent the wheel?
I'm going to be that guy: The solution to this is manual doors with frames. The whole fucking software-based door thing is silly and only exists to protect the door/window trim. They should really just do away with that. Why re-invent the wheel?
#258
Azine Jabroni
Front seats are definitely effective. Be ready for someone you know in your friends or family to open the manual release in front (it's almost too easy to use - just lower the window after it happens). The back seats are almost non-existent. Normally, I'm okay with that but there probably needs to be a fail unlock in the case of a situation like the one in question.
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#259
Ex-OEM King
Front seats are definitely effective. Be ready for someone you know in your friends or family to open the manual release in front (it's almost too easy to use - just lower the window after it happens). The back seats are almost non-existent. Normally, I'm okay with that but there probably needs to be a fail unlock in the case of a situation like the one in question.
#260
Sanest Florida Man
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#262
Sanest Florida Man
#263
Ex-OEM King
Lets be honest, it won't actually blow your mind, or Comfy's given that you don't own one.
#265
Moderator
You know, @#1 STUNNA, if you're going to be a corporate shill, you might as well get paid for it. Have you thought about applying for a media relations job over there?
#266
Sanest Florida Man
They shutdown their PR dept months ago
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Two weeks ago...
#271
Elon has to go back on his word, making his customers and most fervent supporters look foolish, part 76236
#272
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#273
Ex-OEM King
#274
I’m just wondering since they offer internet service such as YouTube, Netflix, etc, who is the wireless service provider for that? Do they have a tie up with particular provider or Tesla has their own network?
#275
Sanest Florida Man
They use LTE and you pay $100/yr to cover the data costs of the premium services
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#276
Ex-OEM King
They use a network from one of the cell providers, it's not a Tesla specific one. It's free for a year with a new car (30 days with used) and then it's something like $10 a month. The app integration and navigation works no matter what, the premium connection is for live traffic, sat maps, netflix and stuff when remote. I'll see how much I like it the first year before deciding what to do.
#277
Race Director
Thread Starter
To be completely fair to Tesla and Elon Musk, it's probably impossible to develop a software and hardware system that is 100 percent foolproof against all exploits.
If it weren't, then things like antivirus software and cybersecurity wouldn't have to exist because our computers would be made impenetrable from the factory. Yet not only do they exist, but they also require periodic updates to remain at least marginally relevant, which is to say strong enough to keep the rookie hackers at bay.
It's the same with the Autopilot. Tesla does employ a few safeguards that somebody within the company must have considered to be enough at some point, but time and time again, clips of people abusing the driver's aid suite surface on the web - that's if they don't make the news. And when that happens, you immediately think of all the instances that take place without anyone knowing because not everybody is dumb enough to film themselves committing a traffic violation and posting it online.
Well, this particular person didn't do that, but they still ended up on YouTube thanks to another driver that passed by and decided to make the Autopilot abuser famous. Not that he wasn't already, having featured on Reddit only days before while lying in the back seat and providing input to the steering wheel with his feet. This second time, he just sat and stared at the person filming him, presumably pretty proud of his accomplishment.
The uploader goes out of their way to state that "there is nothing wrong with Tesla AP" and that it's the driver assistance system that's being abused. We agree completely with the second part of the disclaimer, and while it's not Tesla's fault people are going out of their way to find new ways of tricking Autopilot while they slip out of the driver's seat, it should be its job to make life harder for these people.
Some voices say it's the same as putting the car in "D" and placing a rock over the throttle pedal - are the rest of the manufacturers doing anything to prevent owners from doing that? No, because it's not the same thing at all. Everyone in their right mind knows what would happen if they did that, and how quickly the aftermath would follow.
With the Autopilot (more particularly the $10,000 Full Self-Driving suite), they're told the car can drive on its own and it's just the regulations that are still preventing a full unlocking of the technology. What's more, a driver can activate the system and see for themselves that it's working, gathering some first-hand confidence into the system. The more they do it, the less relevant Tesla's message urging them to always remain alert and able to resume control becomes.
All things considered, we'd like to know this: why don't we see clips of people doing something similar in cars from other brands? Is their technology really too far behind? We sincerely doubt that, especially out on highways, where traffic is a lot less unpredictable. So maybe there are other reasons.
Maybe these companies aren't so desperate to be the industry's technology leaders, placing more importance on keeping an unblemished image. Well, maybe "unblemished" is too high of an ask for most traditional carmakers (they've all done something regrettable in the past), but at least they're striving not to add any more stains. Instead, they're waiting for the legislation to fall into place before presenting their systems (with some of them being already pretty advanced) as anything more than advanced driver's aid suites or talking about full autonomy in any other tense than the future. They prefer to seem more backward than to allow their customers to take advantage of these features.
Whoever says Tesla can't do anything to make it harder for these people to do stuff like this is probably not aware of how contradicting the whole situation is. Are we really to believe that a company employing the same minds who have allegedly cracked the self-driving problem can't come up with a few stronger safeguards that would keep its users from abusing the system? Or is this just another example of "every publicity is good publicity?" We'd hate to think Tesla could be so cynical, especially since people can lose their lives as a result, and not just the ones asking for it.
If it weren't, then things like antivirus software and cybersecurity wouldn't have to exist because our computers would be made impenetrable from the factory. Yet not only do they exist, but they also require periodic updates to remain at least marginally relevant, which is to say strong enough to keep the rookie hackers at bay.
It's the same with the Autopilot. Tesla does employ a few safeguards that somebody within the company must have considered to be enough at some point, but time and time again, clips of people abusing the driver's aid suite surface on the web - that's if they don't make the news. And when that happens, you immediately think of all the instances that take place without anyone knowing because not everybody is dumb enough to film themselves committing a traffic violation and posting it online.
Well, this particular person didn't do that, but they still ended up on YouTube thanks to another driver that passed by and decided to make the Autopilot abuser famous. Not that he wasn't already, having featured on Reddit only days before while lying in the back seat and providing input to the steering wheel with his feet. This second time, he just sat and stared at the person filming him, presumably pretty proud of his accomplishment.
The uploader goes out of their way to state that "there is nothing wrong with Tesla AP" and that it's the driver assistance system that's being abused. We agree completely with the second part of the disclaimer, and while it's not Tesla's fault people are going out of their way to find new ways of tricking Autopilot while they slip out of the driver's seat, it should be its job to make life harder for these people.
Some voices say it's the same as putting the car in "D" and placing a rock over the throttle pedal - are the rest of the manufacturers doing anything to prevent owners from doing that? No, because it's not the same thing at all. Everyone in their right mind knows what would happen if they did that, and how quickly the aftermath would follow.
With the Autopilot (more particularly the $10,000 Full Self-Driving suite), they're told the car can drive on its own and it's just the regulations that are still preventing a full unlocking of the technology. What's more, a driver can activate the system and see for themselves that it's working, gathering some first-hand confidence into the system. The more they do it, the less relevant Tesla's message urging them to always remain alert and able to resume control becomes.
All things considered, we'd like to know this: why don't we see clips of people doing something similar in cars from other brands? Is their technology really too far behind? We sincerely doubt that, especially out on highways, where traffic is a lot less unpredictable. So maybe there are other reasons.
Maybe these companies aren't so desperate to be the industry's technology leaders, placing more importance on keeping an unblemished image. Well, maybe "unblemished" is too high of an ask for most traditional carmakers (they've all done something regrettable in the past), but at least they're striving not to add any more stains. Instead, they're waiting for the legislation to fall into place before presenting their systems (with some of them being already pretty advanced) as anything more than advanced driver's aid suites or talking about full autonomy in any other tense than the future. They prefer to seem more backward than to allow their customers to take advantage of these features.
Whoever says Tesla can't do anything to make it harder for these people to do stuff like this is probably not aware of how contradicting the whole situation is. Are we really to believe that a company employing the same minds who have allegedly cracked the self-driving problem can't come up with a few stronger safeguards that would keep its users from abusing the system? Or is this just another example of "every publicity is good publicity?" We'd hate to think Tesla could be so cynical, especially since people can lose their lives as a result, and not just the ones asking for it.
#278
I totally believe that their “behind the scenes” technology is way ahead of Tesla’s and are simply not showcasing it. Great.
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#280
Team Owner
Self driving? that means the car drives itself without the help from human? Does Tesla have that technology already?
Last time i checked none of their shit is SELF driving. it still requires human.
Just like FULL auto pilot s not FULL
Self Driving is not Self - driving.
Last time i checked none of their shit is SELF driving. it still requires human.
Just like FULL auto pilot s not FULL
Self Driving is not Self - driving.