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It's a branded version of something you would probably use quite frequently: the idea that you can run your car without generating Carbon Monoxide.
It's not so much a gimmick, it's just built into electric vehicles.
Definitely but in regards to keeping you warm while it's cold outside and your home doesn't have power isn't a thing that anyone would have to do with any regularity. Running the car to warm it up without gassing yourself out I totally get and is a huge benefit of EV's.
I don’t know whether to call that a distinguishing feature, but that just an easy software fix for an EV car from any manufacturer. I don’t think Tesla owns any patents on this.
I don’t know whether to call that a distinguishing feature, but that just an easy software fix for an EV car from any manufacturer. I don’t think Tesla owns any patents on this.
And what's the one aspect of an EV that legacy auto companies suck the most at? The one where they cry about not being able to attract quality talent in order to fix?
I've seen some videos of FSD beta trying to drive in the snow and it's definitely got some work to do there and in general it needs to learn when to slow down below the speed limit when road conditions warrant it. If it's raining really hard and the speed limit is 50 maybe you should only go 35-40 in that case, or the speed limit is 35mph but the road is really crappy and there's bumps and pot holes everywhere. I've seen videos of the radar sensors getting blocked because of snow buildup on the front bumper which will disable autopilot. That could be fixed with putting little heating coils around the sensors and cameras to melt any snow that builds up. They do that with charge port, and at SpaceX on their Starlink satellite dish it has the ability to melt any snow that accumulates on it so it can keep working. In fact Starlink is only working in the northern latitudes of Canada and the upper parts of America. IDK if that's something they can fix with a software update or not, there were a few tricks they had to warm up the charge port for older models before including a heating element around the charge port which was more effective.
The legacy auto is blackberry and Tesla is the iPhone analogy is strong. The more complex the hardware is the crappier the software is. You saw that with Blackberry and with legacy auto cars, the software is fucking trash. These companies can't just turn it around and put out killer software at the drop of a hat, it would take reorganizing their software team and replacing them with top software talent that they can't attract, the same issue BB had responding to the iPhone. Remember what BB's response to the iPhone was, it was the Blackberry Storm
Maybe Android Auto can save them? IDK Android hasn't really worked well beyond phones, Android tablets are basically dead, smartwatches are meh and Google likes to unexpectedly kill projects out of nowhere, time will tell...
Do you seriously think that companies like VAG, Daimler, Honda, Toyota, etc don't have the software depth and expertise to do what Tesla does? If so, that's incredibly short sighted.
Seems like huge improvements to FSD Beta are imminent. There hasn’t been an FSD beta update for a few weeks because behind the scenes Tesla’s C+ driving code is being replaced with AI neural networks with 4D labeling. Version 8.2 was released a couple days ago and reports are that it is the biggest improvement to the beta so far but even more improvements in 8.3, are coming within the next few weeks and because of that they are going to greatly expand the number of beta testers, will broad availability coming with version 9
This past week, Elon Musk tweeted an announcement that the demand for Tesla’s new Full Self-Driving Beta software — a Level 2 semi-autonomous driver assist system that is not fully self-driving at all — was so high that Telsa would be making it available to any Tesla owner.In case you were wondering about the new, enhanced capabilities of this Beta and if it would finally push past Level 2 semi-autonomy to actual, real full self-driving, then you’re in luck, because Tesla just answered that question to the California DMV. And the answer is no.
For context, and as we’ve previously discussed, City Streets continues to firmly root the vehicle in SAE Level 2 capability and does not make it autonomous under the DMV’s definition. City Streets’ capabilities with respect to the object and event detection and response (OEDR) sub-task are limited, as there are circumstances and events to which the system is not capable of recognizing or responding. These include static objects and road debris, emergency vehicles, construction zones, large uncontrolled intersections with multiple incoming ways, occlusions, adverse weather, complicated or adversarial vehicles in the driving path, unmapped roads. As a result, the driver maintains responsibility for this part of the dynamic driving task (DDT). In addition, the driver must supervise the system, monitoring both the driving environment and the functioning of City Streets, and he is responsible for responding to inappropriate actions taken by the system. The feature is not designed such that a driver can rely on an alert to draw his attention to a situation requiring response.There are scenarios or situations where an intervention from the driver is required but the system will not alert the driver. In the case of City Streets (and all other existing FSD features), because the vehicle is not capable of performing the entire DDT, a human driver must participate, as evidenced in part through torque-based steering wheel monitoring, or else the system will deactivate.
Please note that Tesla’s development of true autonomous features (SAE Levels 3+) will follow our iterative process(development, validation, early release, etc.) and any such features will not be released to the general public until we have fully validated them and received any required regulatory permits or approvals.
I hope none of y’all were dumb enough to fall for that smooth brained jalopnik article
I have Sam blocked so I haven’t seen what he posted. he is gullible enough and has low enough reading comprehension skills to fall for it though, hence why I blocked him
I hope none of y’all were dumb enough to fall for that smooth brained jalopnik article
I have Sam blocked so I haven’t seen what he posted. he is gullible enough and has low enough reading comprehension skills to fall for it though, hence why I blocked him
If you can't read an explicit statement from Tesla then I'm not the gullible one...
Tesla still promoting the passive optical sensing koolaid for FSD.
FSD at the moment requires active sensing with either LIDAR or more mm band radars is the only solution that's proven highly reliable in a extreme range of conditions and weather.
Tesla still promoting the passive optical sensing koolaid for FSD.
FSD at the moment requires active sensing with either LIDAR or more mm band radars is the only solution that's proven highly reliable in a extreme range of conditions and weather.
You're not kidding. The cameras are super flimsy. They fail in the rain, the fog, the snow. Heck, they fail when you leave the car out in direct sunlight too long.
Love the cars. Love the electricity. Hate the fanboy bullshit.
Understanding the Tesla Model S Performance Motor and Electrical Systems
I posted the motor and control electronics in the Model-S thread but will put both video's on the overall Tesla tech thread as Professor Kelly explains alot of similarities and the differences of the Tesla EV tech between the models and various drivetrains.
Extremely insightful, maybe a bit dry at times but Professor Kelly does a phenomenal presentation showing some key details (especially all the safety interlocks for the 400VDC distribution) of Tesla's technology.
A lot of the Tesla tech is still ahead of the other automakers and it shows in the details even beyond the battery. Some of the wire thicknesses and currents are fairly large.
^ although the motor and drivetrain electronics are pretty cool, the pyrotechnical fuse for the high voltage is pretty trick. Like how it's made by a auto component supplier that also makes airbags which makes sense.
You're not kidding. The cameras are super flimsy. They fail in the rain, the fog, the snow. Heck, they fail when you leave the car out in direct sunlight too long.
Love the cars. Love the electricity. Hate the fanboy bullshit.
Probably won't hear a peep from the fanbois on this.
Probably won't hear a peep from the fanbois on this.
The fact is, the 3 and Y in particular are fun to drive cars which still have some execution issues. I have had more failures with hardware on both of my cars in a few months of ownership than I have on my 3 Audis combined.
You tolerate it because the mobile service is excellent and so far nothing has been too detrimental, but I'm not pretending these vehicles are something they're not.
Also, don't get me started with the S and the X. The X was a disaster of a car and the S was good for its time but it's not better than the 3 or the Y at anything meaningful on the road.
The fact is, the 3 and Y in particular are fun to drive cars which still have some execution issues. I have had more failures with hardware on both of my cars in a few months of ownership than I have on my 3 Audis combined.
You tolerate it because the mobile service is excellent and so far nothing has been too detrimental, but I'm not pretending these vehicles are something they're not.
Also, don't get me started with the S and the X. The X was a disaster of a car and the S was good for its time but it's not better than the 3 or the Y at anything meaningful on the road.
While I don't have one myself, what you say is pretty much what everyone says. Teslas are good cars, great even, they are ground breaking for what they are. That said, they have substantial hardware issues even if their software is first rate. I'd wager that, while the SW of the ID4 is questionable, the hardware side of things is top notch. You can most definitely tell the difference between a Model S and a Taycan in terms of quality and finish.
Tesla's lawyers say FSD will not exceed Level 2. Anything else you hear is BS because Tesla's lawyers are legally bound to be truthful.
No they don't, you suck at reading comprehension. They're specifically talking about the beta which isn't available to the general public
Please note that Tesla’s development of true autonomous features (SAE Levels 3+) will follow our iterative process(development, validation, early release, etc.) and any such features will not be released to the general public until we have fully validated them and received any required regulatory permits or approvals.
Tesla's lawyers specifically say that higher levels will come in the future but right now it's level 2, and if they say it's only level 2 then it doesn't require a special permit. How the fuck you can read that and say that it will not exceed level 2?
No they don't, you suck at reading comprehension. They're specifically talking about the beta which isn't available to the general public
Tesla's lawyers specifically say that higher levels will come in the future but right now it's level 2, and if they say it's only level 2 then it doesn't require a special permit. How the fuck you can read that and say that it will not exceed level 2?
No one ever said it never will be just that it's not now. No one cares about the beta, that's just the same as Waymo or others running beta even though I think it's dangerous to just send it out to a bunch of people and cross your fingers. It's the fact that their current suite of driver aids is called "Full Self Driving" which is incorrect, gives the wrong impression, and is dangerous because it is absolutely not full self driving.
Here you go:
City Streets continues to firmly root the vehicle in SAE Level 2 capabilityand does not make it autonomous under the DMV’s definition.City Streets’ capabilities with respect to the object and event detection and response (OEDR) sub-task are limited, as there are circumstances and events to which the system is not capable of recognizing or responding. These include static objects and road debris, emergency vehicles, construction zones, large uncontrolled intersections with multiple incoming ways, occlusions, adverse weather, complicated or adversarial vehicles in the driving path, unmapped roads.
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