VTEC Racer

Can you please send this to me through PM in a manner that's understandable?

speedemon90

Maybe everyone should drop it

Honestly, I was kinda surprised as to the number of sales for the civic, but I think most of that has to do with brand loyalty. Its a new generation car and to me it feels like its a generation behind. Its not a bad car, its good at getting the job done, but I guess us people here want a car that goes the extra mile.

On the accord side, I still think that its a good car. IMO accord is second in its class behind the new passat. I think it bests the camry, sonata and well I don't know to much about the optima so I wont say for that. Although I've heard good things about the Optima I haven't seen it in a comparison test.
My mom owns an Accord, I kinda like it. It drives rather well.

I was kinda surprised at VW selling only 5000 passats, I guess its really new and people still dont trust VW, thats whats probably holding back sales for now. I wonder if it can catch up to the koreans, and eventually the japanese.

Legend2TL

^ My parents have a 2012 Civic LX 5AT and my brother has a 2007 Civic LX 5MT so I can relate. Although I'm not impressed with the interior materials, all hard and no soft plastic. The fit/finish of the car is OK it's they have dropped the luxury feel that was on the previous gen Civic. One thing that is impressive on the 2012 Civic is the ride is really smooth, better than the slightly stiffer previous gen Civic. Like you said it gets the job done reliably and for many (most?) people that is more important than a fancy dash.

You are spot on in the brand loyalty, the reason my parents have a Civic is because they've owned 4 Honda's and they had very few if any minor problems.

Also goes true for the Passat, a neighbor has a 1999 5MT 1.8T and he is considering a new one but one of the few people I know he will consider a VW.


If Honda would use the Euro-Civic that would be great.

pttl

It doesn't have to be a self fulfilling prophecy. EVERY company has strong points and EVERY company has weak points. Fanboy-ism, however, prevents one from looking at "their" company objectively, and this is what prompts "attacks".

I'll speak from my perspective: I have owned Acuras for the past 10 years. I therefore think the company does many things correctly. HOWEVER...Acura/Honda has lost me as a future customer. Why? Because they no longer build a car that I am remotely interested in. FWD sedans are not my idea of driving excitement. Yes I've grown past the "i want nothing but reliability" mind set. I want an exciting driving experience. Other companies...including Hyundai as an example...offer this alternative in at least some of their products. It's really quite simple.

To ME H/A has become an appliance builder....like Kenmore. The Fanboy-ism is a sickening thing to see and be exposed to. "Former" H/A customers like myself, tend to be very critical of them because we once believed that they (H/A) were a viable company. But we now see that they have not added to or changed their products enough to keep us interested. This prompts criticism from former customers.

Fanboys need not enter the discussion with "numbers and data". This is no longer about MPG...or NVH levels it's about an engaging driving experience which cannot be had in a FWD sedan. IMO. Don't bring up SHAWD....it's attached to a BIG UGLY SEDAN....again...IMO.

Invisible

So what "exciting" Hyundia will you be buying. I've read the reviews, and every single product appears to be numb and more appliance like than anything from Acura. Reviews of the Acura TL SH-AWD sounds good to me. Don't think I've ever read comparable praise for "excitement" about a Hyundia.

Invisible

pttl

No offense but you're a fanboy. So trying to make you understand is like talking to my coffee mug. Numb and appliance like? hmmmm....You need to read more.

I didn't say i was going to buy a Hyundai. BUT Hyundai at least makes a few more interesting cars than H/A. IMO. They have a shot at earning my money, unlike H/A.

Invisible

So you will not tell us about this EXCITING Hyundai you plan on buying that's more exciting to you than an Acura TL SH-AWD.

Is it the Velosturd? I bet you would look good in a lime metallic green Velosturd.

Why wont you share with us this Hyundai that has your panties all wet?

ttribe

Another fine example of using civility and critical thinking to move the conversation forward.

Invisible

It's fun watching all the anti-Honda trolls banning together!

ttribe

[sigh] Just a reminder on what I've already told you on this subject: https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=3122

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

This guy doesn't belong to AZ community in my honest opinion. He just doesn't bring anything positive to our forum.

I've been on this forum for so long, and I know this guy is just unfit for our board. This is by far one of the worst idiots in the history of AZ. He just goes around the forum looking to dick around with anyone who say anything slightly negative about Honda/Acura.

Thank my post if you think we should ban this guy.

VTEC Racer

What do you bring that's positive to this community? Serious question.

Does it ALWAYS have to be personal with you? Just drop it already and move on with your life.

dom

That's enough. Let's get this back on topic. Next person to post something that doesn't have anything to do with sales gets the weekend off.

pttl

Well, like I said. H/A will not be making a sale with me anytime soon.

biker

Biker, who thought for sure someone was getting a vacation and expects heated personal attacks will crop up again in the future.

speedemon90

lol this thread got quiet all of a sudden

GTI sales have been constantly increasing
Makes a stronger business point for VW to bring more sportier options here later! I know they're bringing the Golf R, but only a one year run of them. Which means there's no way it will be going lower than MSRP.

biker

Biker, who has managed to PW his way to 5 figures.

biker

For some reason I had a moment when I read "Leaf battery car".

TSX69

http://hondanews.com/channels/corpor...vember-sales-1

Sales Tables

American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted November sales of 83,925 vehicles, a decrease of 10.1%, the company announced today. American Honda year-to-date sales reached 1,042,055, down 5.7% versus last year, based on the daily selling rate*.

Honda Division posted November sales of 74,016, a decrease of 9.9% versus November 2010. The Pilot continued its momentum with sales of 10,487, up 32.6%. The Civic was the top-selling Honda model for November with sales of 17,133, a decrease of 0.7% compared to last year. The CR-V posted sales of 16,426, a decrease of 13.7%. The Accord posted sales of 14,355 a decrease of 17.9%.

"The impact of the Thailand flooding on our North American production levels continued to be felt in November," said John Mendel, American Honda executive vice president of sales. "We're looking forward to closing the year on a strong note as production recovers and the all-new CR-V goes on sale this month."

Acura Division recorded November sales of 9,909, a decrease of 11.2% versus November 2010, and year-to-date sales of 110,170, down 7.1%. The MDX was the top-selling Acura model for the month with November sales of 3,308 down 24.2%. The TSX posted record November sales of 2,691.

*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 25 days for November 2011 and 24 days for November 2010. Year-to-date DSR is calculated with 280 days for 2011 and 279 days for 2010. All percentages reflect DSR.

TSX69

biker

How much lower can RL sales get before it's meaningless?

How about them hybrid sales?

Edward'TLS

The RL is already meaningless. Just see how Acura has already given up on marketing the RL sedans.

Moog-Type-S

RL, ZDX, CRZ Trifecta of poor sales.

AZuser

So are we still attributing Honda's poor sales #s to the Japan earthquake and Thai tsunami still, even though Nissan and Toyota suffered the same and their sales have already picked up and overall are positive?

Legend2TL

"The impact of the Thailand flooding on our North American production levels continued to be felt in November," said John Mendel

ttribe

I believe AZuser's question was a rhetorical one.

AZuser

Why is the flooding affecting Honda sales more than Toyota sales?

Of the three majors, Honda's the only one who posted a sales decline in November. Can't blame it all on the floods

Costco

it's like every month one lucky person from (almost) every state comes home with an RL. And the salespeople from those dealerships get congratulatory pats on the back from everyone else in the department for closing the sale

Moog-Type-S

"What does Honda's lack of sales have to do with the price of tea in China?"


Honda: The price of tea has taken a toll on our overall sales numbers

biker

Honda's only potential bright spot going forward might be the new CR-V this month.

phile

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that was the case

I think I've seen 2 of the new RL's now. those ricer taillights do nothing for the car. I don't know what they were thinking, as much as I thought the pre-MMC RL looked like an Accord on steroids, it was still attractive in its own right. the refresh is like a desperate attempt to stay afloat in the game. they need to let the thing sink already.

Legend2TL

My bad, I didn't see he had Thai in his posting, although he also had "Thai Tsunami" and it was not a Tsunami just really bad monsoon rain season. A friend's son is over there doing missionary works and it was extremely bad. Still wondering what Honda fabricates in Thailand?

Legend2TL

Pilot sales were up 32.6% but I'm guessing that doesn't work for all you sunshine folks and their Honda sales posting

Colin

I believe I read that they have a microprocessor fab there that makes chips for the ECUs in 1012 cars.

neuronbob

RL. Damn, only 45? Then again, it is Japan-built so no surprise at lack of inventory.

Legend2TL

Honda needs to check their sales charts, there are errors on it.

Ody sales went from 8805 to 9143 yet they reported that as a -0.3%. Same problem with the Civic, it's sales are up but listed as a % drop.

biker

^ It's not an error - the sales are weighted/averaged based on selling days (true for all makers) - 24 in 2010 vs. 25 this year. So while the absolute numbers went up, the volume per selling day went down.

Legend2TL

Ahhhh DSR ** explains that, I should have read that

TSX69

Emperor's New Clothes: Sticker Price, Honda And TrueCar

Hardly anybody pays sticker price for a car. If you pay sticker price, the auto industry thanks you from the bottom of its heart. Really. It also has a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.

Yet Honda has gotten itself in a dispute with TrueCar, an online car buying service, and with some of its own dealers, over the fact that some dealers advertise prices on TrueCar’s web site that are quote-unquote “below invoice.”

The central issue in the Honda dispute is that the ads imply dealers are selling cars below cost. Ironically, that’s probably another fiction — more on that later. Anyway, that’s a no-no for American Honda Motor Co. dealers.

TrueCar is unrepentant. TrueCar CEO Scott Painter says TrueCar is only interested in helping Honda sell cars.

“It’s not as though Honda’s going to change reality. They’re just trying to change the perception,” Painter said in a phone interview Monday night. He said other car companies face the same issues, but he said Honda is the only one he’s aware of that’s taking this particular course of action.

According to Painter, to protect its brand image Honda is threatening to withhold advertising dollars from dealers who violate the policy. He said Honda is taking similar action against Acura dealers who advertise prices below sticker price, also known as Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price, or MSRP. Acura is Honda’s upscale brand.

Honda defends these policies, in a written statement: “American Honda has no wish to pay for ads that portray its products as ‘cheap’ or ‘low-end’ vehicles. This may be appropriate for other manufacturers; it is not appropriate for the Honda and Acura brands,” the company said. Honda also said that dealers remain free to set their own prices, and to advertise anywhere they want.

On the face of it, that’s a reasonable response. It does cheapen the brand image to consistently advertise low, low prices instead of great, great, products. It also seems like Honda should be able to refrain from contributing its own money, to advertising that violates its own policies.

But in a big way, in the Internet age of greater pricing transparency, Honda is also shoveling sand against the tide. According to Painter, about 1/3 of all the Hondas sold through TrueCar are already sold at quote-unquote “below invoice” prices. Meanwhile, he said just over 90% of all Acuras sold via TrueCar are sold below MSRP.

By trying to enforce its policies, Honda is only, “hurting Honda and Acura dealers, and forcing customers to do business the old-fashioned way,” Painter said.

A final irony in all this is that “below invoice” pricing doesn’t necessarily mean what it says, either. That’s because car companies routinely pay their dealers incentives on the wholesale level. Those don’t get advertised. The dealers can choose to pass some, all or none of those dealer incentives along to customers. That way, a dealer can sell a car “below invoice” and still make money, after they get their factory incentives.

Anybody who believes dealers could stay in business while selling more than a few cars significantly below cost, for any length of time, should consider buying that bridge, too.