dom

That is impressive. Only real surprise on that list for me is the Civic. Mostly because its apparently still in short supply and well, because its not hat nice of a car. But good FE and a solid reputation go a long way.

dom

What frustrating about those Veloster numbers if I'm Honda is those 3K+ sales plus probably a few hundred more would have been there's if they'd had done something similar with the Civic platform, threw in the Civic's 1.8 and called it a CR-X. It would have been a slam dunk IMO.

I don't think anyone would doubt that the CR-Z is the better car overall but the hybrid, lack of rear seats and the fact its built in Japan make it almost insignificant.

Just shows how out of touch they are with the market.

Invisible

The Corolla was less than 100 units in the lead. Note, the Corolla is a rental lot queen, and Toyota combines Matrix sales into the Corolla. And you are right about those incentives, looks like Toyota is offering $1000 cash to customer, and 0% financing, and $750 dealer incentive. Only thing available on the Civic is .9%.

TSX69

Versa 8,889 +47.1%
Yaris 6,792 +160.6%
Accent 4,833
Fiesta 4,124 +7.2%
Sonic 3,833
Fit 2,822 -33.1%
Rio 2,005
Golf 1,331 +34.3%
2 954 +51.7%
SX4 945 -5%
Aveo 65 -98.9%

Corolla 16,244 -9.5%
Civic 16,173 -1.9%
Cruze 14,295 +183.2%
Elantra 13,000
Focus 12,386 -.1%
Jetta 11,349 +13.7%
Sentra 8,384 +41.4%
3 7,095 -8.4%
Forte 4,712
Impreza 1,993
Caliber 1,840 -34%
Lancer 1,064 -19.6%

Accord 22,589 +9.4%
Camry 22,043 -8.5%
Altima 21,838 +15.1%
Sonata 18,192
Fusion 18,094 +4.2%
200 11,205
Malibu 10,239 -17.1%
Optima 8,616
Avenger 7,136 +145%
Passat 5,040 +986.2%
Legacy 3,546
6 3,438 +38.8%
Galant 583 -70.3%
Kizashi 480 -18%

Impala 11,982 -3.3%
Taurus 5,438 -1.5%
Maxima 4,190 +9%
300 3,701 -29%
Charger 3,626 -10%
Avalon 2,502 +17.7%
Azera 41

Camero 6,119 +22.1%
Mustang 4,989 -7.9%
Challenger 3,097 -3%
Genesis 2,602
370z 441 -40.7%
RX-8 41 -55.9%

Outback 8,891 +2.3%
Venza 3,326 -2.7%
Crosstour 1,478 -46.9%

CR-V 19,326 +11.2%
Escape 19,046 +30.6%
Equinox 15,108 +18.3%
Rav4 10,680 -24.5%
Sorento 10,178
Rogue 10,034 +13.2%
Forester 5,385 -18.9%
Santa Fe 5,199
CX-7 2,807 +13%
Tiguan 1,721 +18.4%
Outlander Sport 1,286
Grand Vitara 318 -19%

Pilot 12,466 +58.5%
Explorer 11,987 +224.7%
Edge 9,161 -10.1%
Highlander 8,026 -3.8%
Traverse 7,187 -12.8%
Journey 5,028 +36%
Murano 4,600 +15.9%
Tucson 3,777
Sportage 3,519
CX-9 2,465 -1.3%
Toureg 724 +204.6%
Tribeca 266 +51.1%

Odyssey 10,415 +8.6%
Sienna 8,767 -1.5%
Caravan 7,100 -13%
Town & Country 6,338 -25%
Flex 1,910 -6.2%
Sedona 1,541
5 962 -18.1%
Routan 834 -24.4%
Quest 641

Soul 7,109
XB 1,397 -10.3%
Element 287 -74.1%
Cube 198 -85.4%

Prius 11,908 -2.8%
CT 1,511
Volt 1,108
LEAF 849
Insight 492 -74%
CR-Z 289 -28.9%
HS 205 -73.1%


TSX 2,977 +37.3%
IS 2,640 11.4%
Regal 2,281 +39.6%
1 series 679 -40.4%
A3 412 -33.8%
B class 2

3 series 7,748 -9.1%
C class 7,084 +87.9%
ES 4,300 -13.3%
LaCrosse 4,049 -8.7%
CTS 3,918 -7.6%
G 2,986 +10.1%; coupe 838 -31.1%
TL 2,662 -9.1%
A4 2,613 +5.8%
MKZ 1,953 +5.6%

5 series 5,044 +2.4%
E class 4,516 -18.9%
A6 1,186 +43.9%
MKS 981 -9.6%
M 664 -43.5%
DTS 404 -76.7%
GS 256 50.4%
RL 22 -90.9%

LS 1,166 +2.5%
7 series 1,103 +62.2%
S class 927 -48.1%
A8 382 +991.4%
Town Car 296 -70%

RX 6,691 -18.9%
Q5 2,610 +24.3$
GLK 2,494 +78.9%
X3 2,321 +2,244.4%
RDX 1,632 +27.6%
EX 469 -37.5%

SRX 4,984 +12.7%
Enclave 4,509 -3.9%
M class 4,091 +44.8%
X5 3,997 +25.6%
MDX 3,691 -2.8%
MKX 1,765 +5.4%
GX 1,023 -18.9%
FX 661 -28.2%

X6 475 -5.8%
ZDX 131 -29.9%

biker

^ This shows is that the market has averaged out across different vehicle types and makes. The days of 40K/mo mid sized sedans by one maker are gone.

Invisible

TSX69, thanks for that great compilation, and I know it's hard to classify some models. BUT, wouldn't the Tuscon and Sportage be with the CR-V, Escape. And what about the Edge and Murano. Passenger volume and cargo wise, they are closer(smaller than) vehicles like the RAV4 and CR-V.

pttl

@ RL

VTEC Racer

The Corolla only edges out the Civic if you include sales of the Toyota Matrix, which Toyota does. I don't consider the Matrix a Corolla.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I don't know man....the main issues with the original 4G TL are,

1.) Styling
2.) 5AT

Other than those, it was a very solid car. Acura went on and fixed them issues. The front and rear look much much better than before. The 6AT is a huge improvement over the old 5AT. And in addition to these changes, they added a few more features and improved mpg as well. And really, they couldn't make these changes any sooner...they did it pretty quickly already.

VTEC Racer

Despite what people are saying about the Civic interior, it's perfect for it's class. Sure, it's not up to Honda standards, but it's still better than almost everything in its class.

For comparison, the Corolla (Civic's main competitor), doesn't have a SINGLE piece of soft-to-the-touch interior material except for the steering wheel and seats. EVERY single piece of the interior in the Corolla is hard, cheap, plastic. Not only that but it also still uses an ancient 4-Speed automatic transmission and has the least amount of technology of almost any car in this class. The most advanced thing the car has that I can think of is an AUX input. Sure, when it comes to retail sales, it is usually always behind the Civic, but it still sells in droves. Why? because it's a cheap commuter car that's comfortable and gets good gas mileage. I think a lot of people seem to forget what this class is really all about. If it was all about sportiness and flashy design as portrayed here, then the only cars that should be selling are the Elantra and Forte.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Are those the new Camry number? or mixed-in with the leftover previous models?

It's funny how they can't even get past the Accord which has been the same model for quite awhile.

Have you guys seen the new Camry in person? It's freaking ugly as hell, especially from the back.

I think something's definitely off with Toyota these days. It's worse than Honda.

F23A4

So then you'd need to post the sales figures differentiated between each sub-model (or in your case, non-sub models). For all we know, Toyota may have sold as many Matrixes as Honda did the S2000.

phile

i don't think they differentiate old vs new for the Camry, so the number is probably a mix of the two, until inventory of the older model eventually dies off.

phile

do you really think Toyota sells that many Matrices as to make it an unfair comparison?

OK, then what about this - Civic includes both sedan and coupe. if you want to play fair, it should only be Civic sedan vs Corolla sedan.

funny how you can't seem to look at it that way as well.

Invisible

I guess then, the Camry totally stomped the Accord using your methods. Accord Coupe and Sedan are combined, but now the Accord Crosstour is separate. I'd think the Matrix / Corolla shares a lot less body and interior wise than than the Accord Sedan and Crosstour.

What about the F-series sales, should the long bed F-150 be separated from the short bed F-150? Crew Cab from standard? F-250 separated from the F-350 and F-450 and on up?

If that the logical conclusion?


Just a guess since I can't find the actual numbers, but I'm guessing Toyota sold more than 71 Matrix last month.

ttribe

Too much focus on becoming the "biggest" car manufacturer and too little focus on what got them there.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

holy.. calm down dude

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dom

The only thing I disagree with you on is that the interior of the Civic is better than anything in the class. IMO, its not even close. Elantra, Focus and Cruze were all far better. Not just in materials, but layout as well. Just my

I've been saying from day 1 than the new Civic will sell. Its still a good car with a great reputation and strong customer base. But that doesn't mean they didn't make some mistakes with it, which will of course be pointing out on sites like this.

Colin

For some reason they're not making many at this stage (or we're not being allocated enough). We've got 4 Base, 4 Techs and 5 Advances. Of these, 3 of our Techs are Basque Red w/Parchment. Yuck. Inventory to sales ratio is ~2:1 so with a dozen on hand, we'd expect to sell 6. Not exactly a volume play. That said, we've got at least three orders for color combos that aren't on hand. Not sure what's going on with their production, but we're pretty unbalanced right now. LOTS of TSXs (they typically front load production for a new model year) but very few MDXs and TLs.

dom

It has to be something like that. I don't see any reason for sales to remain where they were after it was refreshed. I know we won't see 3G sales but seeing 3-4k per month should be possible. Unless of course, those arguing that the price increase had more to do with the sales decline than looks did were right?

Acura Canada is heavily advertising the 25th anniversary up here offering 0.25 lease/finance rates and free maintenance for 25 months. It would be crazy if there were no cars available for an offer like that.

VTEC Racer

Come on now. Be a bit more realistic.

The Civic coupe and the Civic sedan are still called Civic. They look they same, share the same name, share the same engine, share the same interior. When you see the two together, you know they are one.

Can you say the same about the Matrix? Adding the name Corolla to the Matrix was a sales tactic done by Toyota only to help the actual Corolla maintain a sales lead on paper. Toyota currently has about 700 Matrixs on dealer lots. For the actual Corolla to outsell the Civic, Toyota would have had to sell only 70 Matrixs last month. Do you think thats a reasonable sales figure?

Lets not also forget Toyota's average fleet sales of 10%. What is that, like five times what Honda sells to fleet?

Civic outsold Corolla, plain and simple. Anyone who is trying to go against that is just looking for any way to discredit the Civic's achievement, despite its proclaimed shortcomings.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

omg why so fking serious

who really cares if civic outsold corolla or vice versa??

let's not act like honda fanboys

YEH

Let's get real here.

You are defending the Civic's interior b/c it rates well against the Corolla - which has systematically been ripped by the auto press for its chinzy interior?

The Focus, Cruze and Elantra all have interiors that put the Civic's to shame (and we're not even talking about the fugly design work in the Civic).

And both Mazda and Kia will be coming out w/ a new entrant shortly (there's a reason why Honda is moving post haste on the Civic's refresh).

YEH

Uhm the 3 Series/C Class and 5 Series/E Class are in the 2 largest sales segments for luxury brands - the compact and mid-size sales segments (that'll be like saying taking away the TSX and TL, that Acura sales would be nothing).

And Lexus is in trouble (aside from ES sales slipping) due to GS sales having dwindled down to almost nothing and sales of the IS being about 1/3 of what BMW or Mercedes sell when it comes to the 3er and C Class.

VTEC Racer

You need to relax.

I was not defending the Civic's interior. I was merely stating that despite it's shortcomings, people have looked past it. I used the Corolla as an example to show that people in this class look for more than just a leather stiched dash and calf-skin seats. Do you understand?

I'm curious to see how Hyundai's new interiors hold up 5-10 years from now. If it only looks half as bad as they historically have after a couple years of use in their previous generations, that would be an accomplishment.

VTEC Racer

This is what an adult conversation usually consists of: seriousness.

You obviously care if car A outsold car B or else you wouldn't be in here every month posting the same nonsense.

I won't act like a fanboy if you promise not to act like a troll.

Seems like always the same people that never have anything with substance to contribute, just name calling. Sad.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

did VTEC just kicked in yo?

Costco

^Oh the irony

phile

it's always the hypocrite holding the mirror, isn't it?

pttl

Why is it that the fanboys always have to hate on Hyundai? Is it because Hyundai has become a real player in the automotive world, and the H/A fanboys feel threatened?

JAB00

Honda has really lost it's way, more specifically Acura. The MDX remains the best vehicle in Acura's line-up. The TSX is a decent option for young professionals getting into the near-luxury market. Compared to the stellar 3 series and much improved C-class, the TL just cannot compete. I have loved my 3G TL for over the past 6 years. I'll keep it for another 2-3. By then if the TL or RL hasn't come out with something more compelling, then I am moving over to the Germans.

pttl

Or I might go American if the dollar keeps getting weaker.

VTEC Racer

^^^^ Why is it always the same thing day in and day out with you guys? Is it that hard to hold a legitimate debate without having to make things personal or call someone a fanboy? Is it the ability to produce a response that's lacking or is it just ignorance? Why is it SO HARD?

It's a self fulfilling prophecy. When you have guys like YEH that come in to a Acura forum and always just talk about Hyundai this Hyundai that, people will naturally get annoyed and defensive. It's human nature. It doesn't have to be Hyundai, could be any company.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Just admit it. You are getting defensive because you are a Honduh fanboy. You just hate to see Hyundai and other car makers moving up closer to Honda territory, correct?

You let your fanboy emotion dominates your thought process.

That's why you can't see the big picture. You only see the things you would like to see and ignore the other things that you don't want to see.

I once was a Honda fanboy. I drove Honda Accord and Acura TL for total of 8 years. I loved both cars so much. But then, I got out of it simply because Honda/Acura seemed to lost its spirit. Plus, dumbass fanboys like you and Invisible are one of the reasons why I don't want to drive a Civic Si or any sort of Honda/Acura performance models.

Invisible

I've never owned a Civic Si.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

See what I'm saying about seeing the things that you want to see and not seeing the things that you don't want to see?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. A typical fanboy thinking process.

VTEC Racer

Well if you opened your eyes a little wider, you would see that I don't hate on Hyundai. I give props were credit is due. Unfortunately, you've chosen to only single out the times that I've said negative stuff about Hyundai. The difference about you and me though is that when I say negative stuff, I usually try to back it up with substance and reasoning. I would love to see Hyundai get to Honda's level because that would just mean Honda will be forced to do even better. We haven't reached that point yet.

You're obviously a Mazduh fanboy now but you are here on an Acura forum and 99.9% of the time, you only have negative things to say about Honda and Acura, with usually nothing legitimate to back yourself up. If I did what you do here on a Mazduh forum, would you label me a troll? Think about that.

I'm a real open minded person. If there is a big picture that I'm not seeing, you need to be an adult and sit down like a big boy and tell me, using adult words, what I'm missing out on. I'm here to be informed and keep others informed with what I know. Isn't that the point of this place? Or have you lost that after 10,000+ posts of nonsense?

Again, you can make your point without having to call someone a name or making it personal. I'm assuming your disclosed age is also your real age. I don't make it personal unless someone makes it personal against me, and even then, I usually avoid it most of the time. I also usually never use foul language. Why does it seem to be a prereq for you?

phile

You don't have to hate on Hyundai, or any other brand, to be considered a Honda fanboy. Your unwavering defense of Honda, or any other brand, is enough to qualify you for that title.

The Civic sells because it is a great car underneath - past customers know that. Honda simply took two steps backwards with the interior quality. The difference between Honda and the Corolla is that the Corolla was always cheap. Honda, in prior iterations, had soft touch materials, chrome bits and pieces in its cockpit and it looked pretty good. Calling Honda out on it does not equate to thinking it's a bad car - it's criticism that every car receives by people who are interested in cars.

I personally don't find you to be as open minded as you claim to be.

Shift_Acura

I feel bad for you VTEC Racer. I think you are arguing with a handful of ex Honda fans. They are the type who claim their car is the greatest in the world; until they no longer own it. The next iteration of their car (coincidentally produced by the same manufacturer) will most likely be shit to them.

Going from decent looking cars to clown faces is ok in some peoples books. But if the grille looks like a pointed beak then the entire brand has lost its way. Its enough to keep some people coming here on a daily basis.

IMO calling someone a fan boy for arguing over car sales results in the MONTHLY CAR SALES thread is just idiotic.

VTEC Racer

My "unwavering defense" of Honda? Dude, when I defend Honda, I usually use actual facts and raw data. All I do is present the info. It's not my fault it usually goes against the sensationalist claims of the Acurazine Tea Party. The fact of the matter is that when most other people here resort to name calling and personal insults, I keep it cool. When do you ever see me specifically go after someone on here for no reason? It's ironic that I've been here for over ten years, with a generally low post count, yet I'm labeled the fanboy. Like I said, if I'm a fanboy, then you guys need to look at yourselves and again, ask yourselves what you would label someone who says this shit that you do about Honda over here, over on your own car board. It's time to grow up already. Enough with the personal attacks when you have nothing legitimate to contribute to the conversation. It's the internet, you can actually take some time to think about your responses if that's what it takes. Either join the conversation or stay to yourself.

And again about the Civic interior, I've never once said it was the best thing ever from Honda. My stance has always been that it is adequate for it's class. I don't know why you are even trying to debate that.