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Old 06-19-2011, 01:52 AM
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The only problem is that Honda vehicles are priced like Lexus without Lexus like warranty and dealership experiance.
Lexus are Japanese built while most of Hondas are UK built.


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J.D. Power and Associates in the UK have released the 2011 J.D. Power Survey results, which consists of ratings from 16,840 motor vehicle owners, who judged their own cars as a long-term product.

As for manufacturers, Lexus customers rated their cars the highest with an average score of 84.5 percent, then Honda with 83.3 percent and Jaguar and Skoda equally rounding out the top three with 82.5 percent. The rest of the top 20 list consists of:

1. Lexus – 84.5%
2. Honda – 83.3%
3. Jaguar – 82.5%
3. Skoda – 82.5%
5. MINI – 82.2%
6. Mercedes-Benz – 82.1%
7. BMW – 81.7%
8. Audi – 81.2%
9. Volvo – 81.1%
10. Alfa Romeo – 80.5%
10. Toyota – 80.5%
10. Volkswagen – 80.5%
13. Nissan – 80.2%
14. Land Rover – 80.1%
15. Mazda – 79.9%
16. Hyundai – 79.2%
16. Saab – 79.2%
18. Citroen – 79%
18 Ford – 79%
20. Kia – 78.3%
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...and this relates to US monthly sales, how?
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^ Yes, but note for the overall avg. chart, almost all of the vehicles in the long term fleet are a little or a good but under their EPA rating.

The Sonata is .3 below its EPA rating; the Odyssey is .1 below - not a significant diff. and there are quite a few vehicles tested which do significantly worse.



The TSX wagon has a combined rating of 26 MPG, so even the TSX fell short of its EPA figure.
In the "overall avg. chart," there's no combined rating for the TSX wagon.

According to this InsideLine though, the EPA rating for the TSX wagon is 22/30/25.

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...ghway-mpg.html


I wonder how they come up with the combined ratings. The Sonata's hwy rating is 5mpg higher than the TSX wagon, I'd imagine the combined rating would be 2-3mpg higher than the TSX.

Anyways, again, one point is about being able to get EPA ratings in the real world. Another point is that, with all those new techs (DI/6AT), and lighter curb weight, I thought the Sonata would get significantly better mpg in the real world, not just 1mpg or so.
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American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted June sales of 83,892 vehicles, a decrease of 24.3%, based on the daily selling rate*, the company announced today. American Honda year-to-date sales reached 607,442, an increase of 1.6% versus last year, based on the daily selling rate*. Although production limitations caused by the March 11 earthquake in Japan continued to improve, reduced vehicle supplies adversely affected June sales results.

Honda Division posted June sales of 75,184, a decrease of 24.5% versus June 2010. The Civic was the top-selling Honda model for June with sales of 17,485, a decrease of 36.5% compared to last year. The Accord posted sales of 17,107, a decrease of 38.6%. Sales of the sub-compact Fit increased 20.0% to 4,912, demonstrating continued strong demand for versatile, fuel-efficient vehicles.

Acura Division recorded June sales of 8,708, a decrease of 22.8% versus June 2010, and year-to-date sales of 60,680, a decrease of 1.4%. The MDX was the top-selling Acura model for the month with sales of 3,374, down 15.7%.
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I wonder how the other big 2 in Japan did.
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TORRANCE, Calif. (July 1, 2011) – Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported June 2011 sales results of 110,937 units, a decrease of 24.1% compared to the same period last year, on a daily selling rate (DSR) basis. On a raw volume basis, unadjusted for 26 selling days in June 2011 compared to 25 selling days in June 2010, TMS sales were down 21.1% from the year-ago month.

The Toyota Division posted June total sales of 100,164 units, a decrease of 21.9% on a DSR basis from June 2010. On a raw volume basis, Toyota Division sales were down 18.7% from the year-ago month. The Lexus Division reported total sales of 10,773 units, down 40.2% from June 2010 on a DSR basis. Volume-wise, Lexus Division sales were down 37.8% compared to the same period last year.

For the 1st half of the year, TMS reported sales of 812,788 units. With 152 selling days in the 1st half of 2011, compared to 151 selling days during the first half of 2010, sales were down 4.6% on a DSR basis from the same period last year. On a raw volume basis, unadjusted for 1 extra selling day in 2011, sales were down 3.9% during the 1st half of the year.

“We can't say enough about the remarkable efforts our team members and suppliers have made here in the U.S. and in Japan to restore production," said Don Esmond, senior vice president of automotive operations, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. "June marked a significant turning point for Toyota as sales moved up over last month. Toyota dealers now have a good supply of cars and trucks, and that selection is growing everyday. Returning production and new marketing programs will put us in a great position to take advantage of the summer selling season and with an influx of new products slated this year, we're extremely optimistic about the second half of 2011."

Toyota Division
Toyota Division passenger cars recorded combined sales of 51,616 units, down 29.4% from June 2010. Passenger car sales were led by Camry and Camry Hybrid with combined sales of 21,375 units, and Corolla reported combined June sales of 18,872 units. The Prius mid-size gas-electric hybrid posted June sales of 4,340 units.

Toyota Division light trucks recorded June sales of 48,548 units, a decrease of 11.9% compared to last year. Light truck sales were led by the Sienna minivan and RAV4 compact SUV, with monthly sales of 9,267 and 9,105, respectively. Highlander and Highlander Hybrid reported combined sales of 7,332 units, the Tacoma mid-size pickup posted sales of 8,131 units, and the Tundra full-size pickup reported sales of 6,615 units.

Scion posted June sales of 3,456 units, a decrease of 14.8% over June 2010. The tC sports coupe led the way with sales of 2,053 units, an increase of 73.6% year-over-year. The xD reported sales of 575 units, and the xB urban utility vehicle posted June sales of 828 units.

Lexus Division
Lexus reported passenger car sales of 4,942 units, down 41.7% from June 2010. The ES 350 entry luxury sedan led Lexus passenger car sales with sales of 2,158 units, while the IS lineup reported combined sales of 1,631 units. The all-new CT 200h premium hybrid compact posted 240 units in its 4th month of sales.

Lexus light trucks recorded sales of 5,831 units, down 38.9$ over June 2010. Lexus light truck sales were led by the RX luxury utility vehicle, which posted combined June sales of 5,141 units. The GX 460 mid-size luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 558 units.

TMS Hybrids
TMS posted June sales of 5,703 hybrid vehicles, a decrease of 62.5% compared to the same period last year. Toyota Division posted June sales of 4,863 hybrids, while Lexus Division reported sales of 840 hybrids for the month.





Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported June U.S. sales of 71,941 units versus 64,570 units a year earlier, an increase of 11.4%. Nissan Division sales increased 16.7% for the month at 65,659 units. Sales of Infiniti vehicles decreased 24.3% from the prior year, to 6,282 units.

For 2011, NNA sales have increased 14.7% to 504,973 units. Nissan Division deliveries are up 16.5%, while Infiniti sales are flat in the 1st half of the calendar year, against the same period in 2010.

NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS

Nissan vehicles posted June sales of 65,659 units, an increase of 16.7% over the 56,266 units sold in June 2010.
Sales of the Nissan LEAF 100% electric vehicle reached a new high, with 1,708 units delivered in June, for a total of 3,875 deliveries in 2011.
Nissan Rogue set a new June record, at 7,493 units.
Nissan Sentra sales increased 30.5% over a year ago, with 8,077 deliveries.
Deliveries of the Nissan Frontier increased 51.7% over June 2010.

“Nissan saw substantial growth for both our car and truck lineups over a year ago,” said Al Castignetti, vice president and general manager, Nissan Division. “Deliveries of the Nissan LEAF topped 1,700 units, our best ever month, as we focus on fulfilling the demand of an enthusiastic and growing group of consumers eager to make the switch to a 100% electric car.”

INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS

Infiniti today reported sales of 6,282 units in June, down 24.3% versus 8,304 units a year earlier, due to limited supply. Full production has resumed in Japan and more than 10,000 new Infiniti units are expected to arrive at Infiniti retailers in July.
Sales of the new Infiniti QX full-size luxury SUV increased 27.5% in June to 839 units, while its year-to-date sales of 5,633 are up 27.0%.
Infiniti G Sedan sales of 2,641 for the month supported a 4.9% year-over-year increase for that model.


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June’s Numbers
Acura – Down 20 percent to 8,708
Audi – Up 17 percent to 10,051
BMW – Up 13 percent to 21,637
Buick – Up 13 percent to 14,868
Cadillac – Down 8 percent to 10,860
Chevrolet – Up 11 percent to 156,848
Chrysler – Down 8 percent to 16,529
Dodge – Up 17 percent to 43,401
Fiat – 1,803
Ford – Up 20 percent to 186,753
GMC – Up 15 percent to 32,782
Honda – Down 22 percent to 75,184
Hyundai – Up 16 percent to 59,209
Infiniti – Down 24 percent to 6,281
Jaguar – Down 14 percent to 1,389
Jeep – Up 74% to 36,114
Kia – Up 41 percent to 45,044
Land Rover – Up 13 percent to 3,152
Lexus – Down 38 percent to 10,773
Lincoln - Up 17 percent to 7,361
Maserati – Up 5 percent to 189
Mazda – Up 6 percent to 19,307
Mercedes-Benz – Up 19 percent to 22,563
Mitsubishi – Up 98 percent to 8,299
MINI – Up 26 percent to 5,228
Nissan – Up 17 percent to 65,659
Porsche – Up 19 percent to 2,546
Ram – Up 34 percent to 22,547
Saab – Up 50 percent to 323
Smart – Down 19 percent to 470
Subaru – Down 8 percent to 19,794
Suzuki – Up 12 percent to 2,278
Toyota (Includes Scion) – Down 19 percent to 100,164
Volkswagen – Up 35 percent to 28,444
Volvo – Up 42 percent to 7,100

BMW Group – Up 15 percent to 26,908
Chrysler – Up 30 percent to 120,394
Ford Motor Company – Up 14 percent to 194,114
General Motors – Up 10 percent to 215,358
American Honda – Down 21 percent to 83,892
Hyundai Group – Up 25 percent to 104,253
Jaguar Land Rover – Up 3 percent to 4,541
Nissan North America – Up 11 percent to 71,940
Toyota USA – Down 21 percent to 110,937

2010 YTD Numbers
Acura – Down 1 percent to 60,680
Audi – Up 15 percent to 55,909
BMW – Up 13 percent to 113,705
Buick – Up 34 percent to 93,599
Cadillac – Up 18 percent to 76,122
Chevrolet – Up 16 percent to 904,548
Chrysler – Down 11 percent to 96,068
Dodge – Up 15 percent to 229,898
Fiat – 4,944
Ford – Up 20 percent to 1,030,463
GMC – Up 23 percent to 187,364
Honda – Up 2 percent to 546,762
Hyundai – Up 26 percent to 322,797
Infiniti – Down 0.1 percent to 47,268
Jaguar – Up 10 percent to 6,410
Jeep – Up 49 percent to 188,924
Kia – Up 44 percent to 245,104
Land Rover – Up 16 percent to 17,292
Lexus – Down 18 percent to 88,010
Lincoln - Down 4 percent to 42,003
Maserati – Up 20 percent to 1,097
Mazda – Up 6 percent to 122,379
Mercedes-Benz – Up 10 percent to 118,021
Mitsubishi – Up 67 percent to 44,115
MINI – Up 42 percent to 29,816
Nissan – Up 17 percent to 457,705
Porsche – Up 42 percent to 15,542
Ram – Up 31 percent to 120,098
Saab – Up 258 percent to 3,471
Smart – Down 20 percent to 2,696
Subaru – Up 5 percent to 132,049
Suzuki – Up 16 percent to 13,402
Toyota (Includes Scion) – Down 2 percent to 724,778
Volkswagen – Up 22 percent to 154,125
Volvo – Up 29 percent to 36,304

BMW Group – Up 18 percent to 143,748
Chrysler – Up 21 percent to 639,932
Ford Motor Company – Up 12 percent to 1,072,714
General Motors – Up 17 percent to 1,261,633
American Honda – Up 2 percent to 607,442
Hyundai Group – Up 33 percent to 567,901
Jaguar Land Rover – Up 14 percent to 23,702
Nissan North America – Up 15 percent to 504,973
Toyota USA – Down 4 percent to 812,788
http://www.leftlanenews.com/june-sal...to-suffer.html

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Saab – Up 50 percent to 323
I wonder where the cars are coming from with the factory shut down for over a month.
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I still don't get how Fit sales go up 20% which is virtually all Japanese sourced, yet an 80% American content Accord can't get parts.
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I still don't get how Fit sales go up 20% which is virtually all Japanese sourced, yet an 80% American content Accord can't get parts.
The Fit is just a comparatively bare-bone entry-level Honda model with very few electronics, whereas the Accord is the top-line Honda sedan loaded with electronics and computer modules.
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Honda Fit/City is also made in Thailand/India/China etc. infact keeping the supply chain of Fit/City is more important to Honda than keeping for Accord. There would be 10 Fit/City sold for 1 Honda Accord sales.
I dont think Honda is that stupid that all Fit supply chain is centred around Japan when so many other plants in the world are building it.

When you consider the amount of technology Honda is providing they are not doing badly.
for example Insight/CRZ/Honda Civic hybrid sales are now more than 50% of Prius sales last month.
Fall of Lexus is hardest. Look at amount of model variations and Hybrids in its lineup and now only 2000 vehicle difference with Acura.
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Honda Motor Co. is headed for a significant drop in U.S. sales in July and August as a result of dwindling stocks of cars and trucks, the company suggested Friday in memo to dealers.

The memo said Honda has set a goal of selling 142,500 cars and light trucks in July and August, according to the memo, a copy of which was reviewed by the Wall Street Journal. That would represent a 36% decline from the 221,166 vehicles it sold in the same 2 months a year ago.

"It won't be easy, but we are confident that 142,500 units can be reached during July and August," the memo said.

Honda, which has been hurt by a shortage of vehicles because of production interruptions stemming from Japan's March 11 earthquake, added that its declining vehicle inventories won't reach their lowest level for another month or so.

"It is apparent that most dealers across the country will hit their lowest inventory levels sometime in July and early August," the memo said. "It will be late August before we start to see an on-ground recovery of product."

The memo was signed by David Hendley and Steve Jaros, the company's western and eastern sales executives, respectively.

A Honda spokesman said he had not seen the memo but acknowledged the company is being hurt by shortages. "Production is recovering but there's a lag before you can get them to dealerships," he said.

Honda, Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. all were forced to halt production in Japanese plants in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake and subsequent tsunami. Honda and Toyota also suffered extended disruptions to their North American plants. Nissan's production was slowed but has been quicker to recover than that of its 2 main rivals.

As a result, Honda and Toyota has struggled to keep new vehicles flowing to their dealers, and the tight supply has crimped sales. In June, Honda and Toyota's sales each fell 21%, to 83,892 and 100,937 vehicles, respectively. Nissan's rose 11.4% to 71,941 cars and trucks.

Auto makers on Friday reported that total new-vehicle sales in June rose 7% to 1.05 million, although the annualized pace of sales declined from May, a sign the industry's recovery is sputtering. Honda and Toyota's shortages have been a big factor in damping sales; the uncertain economy and high gas prices have also had a keeping consumers out of showrooms.

On a brighter note, Honda told its dealers it believes production will ramp up in the fall, with monthly production exceeding 100,000 in October, November and December, according to the memo. It did not say how many vehicles it has allocated in recent months. The memo added that production of the Civic compact, one of Honda's top-selling models in the U.S. market, would return to "pre-quake levels" in the fourth quarter.

In June, Civic sales declined 34% and sales of the Accord mid-sized sedan declined 37%.

Toyota said last month that it expects its plants in Japan and North American to return to "normal" production levels in July. But it too had a hard time in the U.S. in June. It sold just 4,340 Prius hybrids, 60% fewer than a year ago, and just 10,773 Lexus luxury vehicles, 38% fewer than in the year-ago month.

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Mercedes-Benz – Up 19 percent to 22,563
Mitsubishi – Up 98 percent to 8,299
MINI – Up 26 percent to 5,228
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I know right? Maybe someone placed the decimal point in the wrong place? Either that or it went like "Toyota ran out in April, Honda in May, so June belonged to Nissan and Mits...
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Is the Evo really dead? Is this the last year or something?
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Honda Fit/City is also made in Thailand/India/China etc. infact keeping the supply chain of Fit/City is more important to Honda than keeping for Accord. There would be 10 Fit/City sold for 1 Honda Accord sales.
I dont think Honda is that stupid that all Fit supply chain is centred around Japan when so many other plants in the world are building it.

When you consider the amount of technology Honda is providing they are not doing badly.
for example Insight/CRZ/Honda Civic hybrid sales are now more than 50% of Prius sales last month.
Fall of Lexus is hardest. Look at amount of model variations and Hybrids in its lineup and now only 2000 vehicle difference with Acura.
NO! while ur at it you might as well as add the whole Honda/Acura lineup vs. Prius?

how about Insight/Crz/Civic Hybrid vs Prius/highlander hybrid/ Camry Hybrid/CT200H/GS400H/LS460h/any other toyota hybrid

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NO! while ur at it you might as well as add the whole Honda/Acura lineup vs. Prius?

how about Insight/Crz/Civic Hybrid vs Prius/highlander hybrid/ Camry Hybrid/CT200H/GS400H/LS460h/any other toyota hybrid
Insight/CRZ/Fit are same platforms with with similar engines. City/Fit use both 1.3/1.5L engines in rest of the world.
Honda just updated battery on Civic it is same Civic platform. with low tech 8V engine. the rest are six and eight cylinder vehicles
Prius is 4 cylinder with platform not shared with Corrolla.
Prius is dedicated separate car. The amount of investment that Toyota in hybrids is failure considering that VW is now selling more diesels than Toyota can
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Okay, let's just move on.
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Hyundai Motor America today announced sales of 59,209 vehicles in June, a 16 percent increase compared with the same period a year ago. This represents an all-time sales record for both the month of June and the first half of the year for Hyundai, breaking the marks set last year. This also marks the sixth consecutive month that Hyundai has set an all-time monthly sales record. Forty percent of Hyundai vehicles sold in June achieved 40 MPG fuel economy ratings, an all-time record for the brand.

“With the recent launch of our all-new Accent, Hyundai now has the freshest and most fuel-efficient sedan lineup in the industry with Sonata Hybrid and Elantra sedan rounding out our current trio of 40 MPG vehicles, with the 40 MPG Veloster right around the corner,” said Dave Zuchowski, Hyundai Motor America’s executive vice president of national sales. “We are confident going into the third quarter that the company is on track for its best year ever.”

Genesis’ sustained growth trajectory continued with June representing the 24th consecutive month of year-over-year sales increases, while Equus continues to delight premium luxury sedan buyers while exceeding sales and market share targets.
You know how this works....

Accent: 3,612 (4,615)
Sonata: 18,644 (17,771)
Elantra: 19,992 (14,245)
Santa Fe: 7,987 (7,586)
Azera: 222 (428)
Tucson: 4,406 (3,382)
Veracruz: 976 (609)
Genesis: 3,149 (2,569)
Equus: 221 (N/A)

MONTH: 59,209 (51,205)
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200-220 Eqqus a month is about what they targeted. Still haven't seen one in person on the road.
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I've seen one and my friend has seen two. I'd be curious to see the state-by-state spread and the metro areas where they are selling best.
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I've seen a couple in the San Jose area, nice looking car, IMO.
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It seems like the Genesis is a hit - Hyundai obviously found the right combination of features and price to pull in the buyers.
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I've seen one Equus. Had more road presence then an LS, possibly because it is more scarce.
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200-220 Eqqus a month is about what they targeted. Still haven't seen one in person on the road.
thought the target was 2000 a year. that's like 170 a month

i've seen 2 in san jose. possibly same owners though.
saw one in san diego as well
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It seems like the Genesis is a hit - Hyundai obviously found the right combination of features and price to pull in the buyers.
Everything that's a bargain will sell well.

Power and performance at a rock bottom price.

Nothing beats the value of the $34K 333hp and especially the $45K V8-powered Genesis. When coupled with the industry's best 5-year comprehensive and 10-year powertrain warranties, it's a sure win.
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Want a new Toyota Prius? Could be tricky. An Acura TSX? That's a tough 1. How about a new Honda Fit or Civic Si? Don't hold your breath.

The devastating earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan in March, bringing some automobile manufacturers there to a near standstill for a time, is still being felt on U.S. shores in the form of hard-to-come-by Japanese car imports and auto parts.

Many of the 20,000 to 30,000 parts that go into a Japanese car come from the hard-hit northeastern region of Japan, where suppliers had to close or limit production for weeks and, in some cases, just disappeared.

In San Diego, some car dealerships say inventory is low, or nonexistent, for the most popular specialty or fuel-efficient Japanese models. And they don't expect things to get much better until late August or September.

And that's posing a hardship for some car dealers, who traditionally rack up their biggest sales during the summer season.

"Instead of 400 cars in stock, I have 49," said J.P. Bo, senior salesman for Pacific Honda, a large dealership on Convoy Street. "I could have sold 30 or 40 of the new, redesigned Honda Civics this past weekend if I'd had them. All I had was 4, which all sold."

Before the duel disasters struck Japan, Pacific Honda could count on regular shipments of cars arriving 80 or 100 at a time.

"Now I get 8 or 9 cars dropped off at a time - and I'm grateful,"
said Bo, 71.

Detroit-based IHS Automotive estimates that production of some 2.8 million vehicles, mostly from Japanese manufacturers, will be lost as a result of the disaster.

Michael Robinet, an automobile industry analyst with IHS, said the worst of the auto and parts shortages are over, and inventory is building for all of the major Japanese car manufacturers.

But Honda and Toyota, whose parts suppliers were hit hardest when the tsunami struck, have been the slowest to recover, he said.

"This is the kind of catastrophe that the industry has never felt before," said Robinet. "For several days no one was able to contact major suppliers, and when they got there there would be only a foundation and nothing else - no machines, no people, nothing.

"So the Japanese car industry is rebounding more quickly than anyone expected,"
said Robinet. "It's a disaster that should have done them in for several, several months."

Instead, Japanese car production, in both volume and mix, should return to near normal levels by the end of the summer, said Robinet.

"If someone is waiting for a Prius or an Acura, it's coming,"
said Robinet. "They are building them now. But it takes 1 month to 1 and a half months to build them and get them shipped here, so there's the lag."

For Kearny Mesa Acura, a dealership on Kearny Mesa Road, normal can't come soon enough. Inventory levels have been "dramatically reduced" by about 40%, said General Manager Mike Creel.

For instance, the dealership would usually have 15 to 20 of the popular Acura TSX, an entry-level luxury car that retails for about $30,000, on its lot. Now there are none.

"We are sold out, and we have only a handful in transit that will be here by month's end," said Creel.

In June, the dealership sent out letters to former customers in their database offering to buy select used models like the Acura TSX. The TSXs are built in Japan exclusively.

"Your 2010 Acura TSX has increased in its value and we are now in a position to provide you with an upfront offer to purchase for your vehicle," 1 letter to a customer, dated June 24, read.

So far, no 1 has taken the dealership up on its offer, said Creel.

Other dealerships are also relying on their used car trade to try to fill the inventory gap. And competition for hard to find models is driving up prices for dealers and consumers alike.

For instance, a brand new Honda Civic LX retails for about $19,000. Now a used, 2010 model goes for the same price.

Bo of Pacific Honda said his company in April bought a large number of used cars, mostly through computer auctions.

"It's been a life saver," said Bo. "Instead of truck loads of new cars coming in, we have truck loads of used cars coming in."

Meanwhile, Bo is trying to sell new cars to customers off a list of what he expects to come in during the next 4 to 6 weeks. And in some cases that's a hard sell.

"We just hope customers will be patient and buy off the list," said Bo. "If not, they go get a different make and model."

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^ This is the exception to the rule that a new car loses 20% of its value when driven off the lot.
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Must be a regional thing. My local Honda dealer has 26 2012 Civic's in stock. And I wouldn't call it a large dealer by any stretch.
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^^ Inventory is in constant flux. A few days ago there were practically no Fits locally, now, the Japan boat landed and there seem to lots.
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American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted July sales of 80,502 vehicles, a decrease of 25.6%, based on the daily selling rate*, the company announced today. American Honda year-to-date sales reached 687,944, down 2.6% versus last year.

Honda Division posted July sales of 71,100, a drop of 25.7% versus July 2010. The Accord was the top-selling Honda model for July with sales of 18,308, a decrease of 25.1% compared to last year. The all-new Civic, which continues to be produced at reduced levels, posted sales of 14,006, down 37.4%. The Pilot SUV posted sales of 9,954, an increase of 8.0% versus last year.

"We look forward to improved inventory levels in the coming months as most of our North American facilities begin to return to full production in August," said John Mendel, American Honda executive vice president of sales. "On top of that good news, customers will have two significantly updated Honda products to choose from this month with the refreshed 2012 Pilot and Fit hitting dealer lots soon."

Acura Division recorded July sales of 9,402, a decrease of 25.0% versus July 2010, and year-to-date sales of 70,082, down 5.5%. The MDX was the top-selling Acura model for the month with sales of 3,438 down 14.9%.


Acura posted June sales of 8,708, a decrease of 22.8% compared to June 2010, based on the daily selling rate*. Year-to-date sales totaled 60,680 units, down 1.4%. Although production limitations caused by the March 11 earthquake in Japan continued to improve, reduced vehicle supplies adversely affected June sales results.

The MDX continued as Acura's sales leader with 3,374 units sold. Light truck sales tallied 4,545 units and car sales posted 4,163 units for June, down 20 and 25.5%, respectively. TL reported 2,296 sales for the month and TSX 1,808 units.

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Our toyota dealer is nothing but used cars on the lot. They cant get new inventory.
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What if sales don't come back with new stock?
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What if sales don't come back with new stock?
Well, I think on the whole, car sales are going to drop off in the 2nd half of this year.

The economy is sliding.
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So the earthquake is still doing a number on Honda/Acura.

Full production started yesterday here in Ohio, so that means the American plants must have reasonable parts supply from Japan (for parts sourced there). I expect that Accord, Civic, TL, and MDX (USDM/CDM-made) sales will increase in about six weeks when availability improves.
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well Honda in UK has first time pass lexus in reliability on 45k mile test. Honda in UK are loaded as much as lexus with electronics.

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Look at Hyundai and Kia just a few spots down....
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THere failure rate at 20% which is double of Honda but this survey is under 50k miles. at above 100k miles the failure rate of all other brands will increase relative to Honda.
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I was curious to that graph so here's the link to the article, and they give some info on how they got the data.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/reli...our-car/258307


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