mrdeeno

Uh, No.

dom

Then there should be a 5 there since there's no 5 sedan.

And are you certain they simply didn't break out the coupe sales?

EDIT: According to Infiniti.com, the 5,167 figure is for Coupes AND Sedans

Infiniti Division
G Sedan 3,541
G Coupe 1,626

Looks like the Audi total of 4,937 was also Sedan and Coupe.

A4 3,555
A5 1,382

oonowindoo

Brand Whores...

F23A4

...or maybe the positive experience of prior ownership reared its ugly head.

SpicyMikey

Has anyone seen total 2009 sales yet. Here's nice summary graph

http://killwithfire.blogspot.com/201...in-review.html



Acura (down 26%) did worse than Chevy, Buick and Mercury. Now that's something to be embarassed about. They did do better than Cadillac, Chrysler and Infiniti. I guess that's exciting.

biker

Having followed the numbers over at ClubLexus for quite some time, you have to go back to the original source (like Dom did) to really tell how those final numbers are derived.

Belzebutt

Well then there should be a separate numbers for 3-series coupe.

It's kind of confusing if some of these numbers are subsets of other numbers...

dom

BMW doesn't breakdown the figures....not that I could find anyway.

In the same way Honda doesn't breakdown Civic coupe vs Sedan sales and Accord coupe vs Sedans.

mrdeeno

Fixed

Colin

^^Actually Crosstour sales are broken out.

F23A4

Too bad it can't be broken out of the Honda lineup.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I think back in 2004, the competition wasn't as intense. Then in the past few years, we had the redesigned IS, facelifted G, redesigned G, redesigned A4, redesigned C class, redesigned 3 series, redesigned CTS. Back in 2004, the only main competitors were the 3 series, C class and G. But now we've got the CTS, A4, and IS that are much more competitive than ever. That, plus the size and appearance explain why the sales performance is poorer than expected IMO.

mrdeeno

Take a look at how well the last gen TL did while it was still being sold before the current gen came out and you'll see how an OLDER model still held its own against new competition (and this happens because Acura is on a 5yr plan while many competitors are on 4 years).

But basically, whether it's the size, the price, the ugliness, or WHATEVER, the point is that the TL can't compete as well as it did in the past.

Or they can't just produce enough to meet the demand!

biker

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

From my understanding, the economy was still doing okay in 2008, and since the 09 model was coming in, Acura would like to get rid of the 08 models asap, hence it still did quite well compared to the 4th gen model.

mrdeeno

You can give me any reason or justification you want, but the fact remains the previous generation in its final months did well against NEWER competition, while the current generation is not doing as well against now OLD competition.

It can be because it's more expensive, bigger, not as competitive, because it's not RWD, because it's ugly as sin, or even because they can't keep up production (which is a laughable justification if i ever heard), but regardless, it just is NOT selling as well as it used to or as it should. Far from failure, but not a success.

mitchflorida

I think the new generation TL is absolutely gorgeous. But then again, my name is Batman, and I park it in my Bat Garage.

mrdeeno

I actually think it's pretty cool looking, but ugly at the same time. Like Megatron from the tranformers movie...he's ugly as sin but he looked cool.

F23A4

When I took delivery of my MDX back in November, the dealership had an 09 SH-AWD Tech on the floor marked down to $37k. I couldn't help but think that if they marked it down to $35k, I could probably overlook its ugliness. (Sort of the same deal with my old 07 AV6 EX-L Navi, which was marked down to $26k....or enough for me to accept possession of its ugliness.)

Belzebutt

The TL is one of those cars I like to look at but would never buy for myself. It's an interesting combination of neat features and huge flaws.

SpicyMikey

It's definitely a "bold" look (to put it mildly) and that inevitably will cause a "love it or hate it" chatter in the blogisphere. But I'm not ready to draw a conclusion that it's bold looks are translating to reduced showroom sales in some significant way.

It's real easy to pick on esthetic things like the grill, shoulder lines, fender flairs, etc. when you are just critiquing it on a blog. But when you are holding a checkbook and preparing to make a decision to plunk down $35-$40k on your primary transportation for the next 4+ years, I think there are other important things to also consider. With all those more important things considered, it's an awesome car and beats everything else I've touched and driven in it's $40k price range.

mrdeeno

Exactly, which is why I think if it wasn't for the "bold" design, and especially the god awful grille, it should be doing as well as previous generation TLs when compared to its competitors. It's a very convincing car in all factors EXCEPT exterior design...if it had a lot of other factors working against it, then that would make it more difficult to narrow the reason why it isn't selling as well as previous generations...but since MOST of the factors are working for it, it's easy to deduce that the thing working against it is the same thing that a lot of people rag on it for...not just online but in magazines and reviews and word of mouth through people who don't know anything about cars but buy based on what they think is a pretty or cute car.

ostrich

I don't like that massive grille on the TL either, but I totally agree with you that there are other things that matter even more for the buyers. I, for one, would have no problem getting the TL, if it had fold down rear seats. What a shame that they don't. Yes, I can get past that awful grille because it does have some other wonderful attributes that are very important.

BTW, I think that from a design standpoint, the Acura designers did a great job designing the grille, IF IT WERE JUST TWO-DIMENSIONAL. One has to agree that from the front, it does look very distinctive and distinguished. However, once you look from the top, or from the side, you realize how misaligned the entire thing is, how dreadful that "beak" looks, and how it spills over to the hood, then you immediately realize how poorly executed the whole thing is. Sad, isn't it?

CL6

It might have looked better if it were as you say it should be. I have a problem with the hood having its seams on the top of the car... it seems like it's a boat meant to keep the waves out of it or something. Very few cars have a hood like that. Trying to be different without seeing why nobody else does that isn't a sign of common sense.

Maybe the designer owns an Amphicar?

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The previous gen TL in its final months wasn't doing THAT well against NEWER competition. Here are some numbers:

Feb 2008:
3: 8967
C: 5781
ES: 4795
TL: 4127
G sedan: 4085
IS: 3906
A4/S4/RS4: 2428

June 2008:
3: 9581
C: 5977
ES: 5726
A4/S4/RS4: 4999
IS: 4324
G sedan: 3825
TL: 3454

I don't have time to dig out all the numbers for the other months, but I think you get the idea. As you can see clearly, that's pretty much the same situation as the current TL - sometimes the G and IS do better than the TL, sometimes the TL does better than them. And back in June 2008, we didn't even have the redesigned CTS, redesigned A4, and facelifted G.

frugalguy

02/02/2010 - TORRANCE, Calif. -

American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted total January vehicle sales of 67,479, an increase of 2.9 percent compared to January 2009, based on the daily selling rate,* which involved two fewer selling days. Honda Division posted January sales of 60,347, an increase of 3.5 percent versus January 2009.
Leading Honda January total car sales of 37,736 were Accord, up 35.6 percent to 20,759, and Civic, up 12.1 percent to 14,693. Honda light-truck sales decreased 11.2 percent to 22,611.

"We're off to a steady start for 2010 and we're optimistic that we can build momentum," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda. "We look forward to launching the all-new CR-Z sport hybrid coupe later this year, and next week, we'll give everyone their first look at the exciting new Odyssey Concept at the Chicago Auto Show."

The Acura Division posted sales of 7,132, a decline of 1.7 percent compared to January 2009. The MDX was the brand's best-selling vehicle with 2,358 units sold, up 20.3 percent.

*The daily selling rate is calculated with 24 days for January 2010 and 26 days for January 2009. The year-to-date daily selling rate is calculated with 24 days for 2010 and 26 days for 2009. All percentages reflect the daily selling rate.

DrewSRX

January 2010 - Luxury Car Sales

Entry CUV
1. GLK - 1,803
2. Q5 - 1,050
3. RDX - 700
4. EX - 566
5. XC60 - 489
6. X3 - 288

Mid-Level SUV
1. RX - 5,688
2. SRX - 3,234
3. X5 - 2,458
4. MDX - 2,358
5. MKX - 2,198
6. ML - 1,927
7. GX - 1,529
8. FX - 846
9. XC90 - 833
10. Q7 - 473
11. X6 - 384
12. ZDX - 172
13. 9-7x - 17

Large SUV
1. Escalade/ESV/EXT - 1,754
2. GL - 1,225
3. Navigator - 726
4. QX - 664
5. LX - 282
6. G Wagon - 72

Pre-Entry-Level
1. TSX - 1,806
2. HS - 1,247
3. C30/S40/V50 - 1,202
4. 1-Series - 543
5. A3 - 468

Entry-Level
1. 3 - 5,418
2. C - 4,028
3. A4/5 - 3,814
4. G - 3,763
5. ES - 2,923
6. CTS - 2,565
7. IS - 2,203
8. TL - 1,986
9. MKZ - 1,340
10. 9-3 - 429
11. S60 - 6

Mid-Level
1. E - 3,824
2. 5 - 2,469
3. MKS - 1,280
4. M - 872
5. S80 - 532
6. GS - 529
7. A6/S6 - 507
8. XF - 479
9. STS - 233
10. RL - 110
11. 9-5 - 65

Flagship
1. 7-Series - 1,308
2. LS - 1,092
3. S-Class - 812
4. A8/S8 - 52
5. XJ - 14

Luxury Coupe/GT
1. G37 Coupe - 1,083
2. A5/S5 - 1,051
3. CLK - 360
4. C70 - 353
5. SL – 242
6. Z4 - 198
7. XK - 138
8. TT - 103
9. SLK - 100
10. 6-Series - 97
11. GT-R - 67
12. CL - 62
13. R8 - 43
15. XLR - 36
14. SC - 24

Near-Lux
1. LaCrosse - 4,246
2. Maxima - 4,016
3. Taurus - 3,768
4. CC - 1,891
5. Lucerne - 1,740
6. Genesis (Sedan & Coupe) - 1,670
7. Avalon - 944
8. Passat - 756
9. G8 - 118
10. Sable – 9

The LaCrosse is catching on…

Moog-Type-S

http://www.leftlanenews.com/january-...tml#more-25428

DrewSRX

January 2010 - Overall Luxury Brand Sales

1. Lexus - 15,517
2. Mercedes-Benz - 15,158
3. BMW - 13,163
4. Cadillac - 8,440
5. Acura - 7,132
6. Lincoln - 7,036
7. Infiniti - 6,711
8. Audi - 6,510
9. Volvo - 4,128
10. Land Rover - 1,958
11. Porsche - 1,786
12. Jaguar - 631
11. Saab - 511

Belzebutt

Glad the SRX is doing well, I love the look of that SUV, and I don't even like SUVs. But shouldn't it be in the Entry CUV class? I would think that it's cross-shopped with the GLK and Q5 (and easily outsells them), not the RX and X5, which seem larger to me.

cp3117

Here are the manufacture numbers for those of us in Canada.

http://www.desrosiers.ca/Monthly%20Updates/sales.pdf

Acura -35%
Audi +128%
Lexus +62%

I dont think I have ever seen Acura with sales numbers this low in Canada. Audi though seems to be going on a rampage in this country. (maybe not that impressive compared to others but for Audi they must be very happy considering they dont have many incentives currently on.)

TSX69

Fleets Drive US Industry to 6% Gain

DETROIT -- Higher fleet volume drove January U.S. light-vehicle sales to a modest 6 percent gain over a deeply depressed market a year earlier.

The industry managed to move 698,990 units last month despite putting an average of $326 less on the hood and Toyota partially suspending sales at month end.

But within the industry's 6 percent sliver of growth, lots happened in January.

• Sales crashed 16 percent at Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc., enough to push it out of the No. 2 spot.

• Ford Motor Co. rode the fleet sales bandwagon to a 25 percent gain -- and moved past Toyota by selling 17,481 more vehicles.

• Last year's bankruptcy twins got separated: Sales jumped 14 percent at General Motors Co. but sagged 8 percent at Chrysler Group.

• Nissan opened its incentive purse enough to boost volume 16 percent and muscle past Chrysler for the No. 5 position.

• January's seasonally adjusted annual sales rate was 10.5 million -- below December's SAAR of 11.9 million, when automakers used year-end incentives to help boost volume 15 percent.

Hobbled by suspended sales of eight recalled models in the last six days of the month, Toyota lost more volume than any auto group in January. Sales fell 19 percent for the Toyota brand, which had all the recalled models. The Lexus luxury brand, which wasn't targeted in the Jan. 21 recall, gained 5 percent last month.

One key to January sales was a return to more normal levels of fleet sales. Enough commercial, government and daily rental fleet buyers returned to the market to boost GM fleet sales 32 percent, said analyst Himanshu Patel of JPMorgan in New York.

Ford's fleet sales jumped 154 percent from the depressed levels of January 2009 to account for 37 percent of the automaker's January volume. That was enough to overcome a 5 percent decline in retail sales, said George Pipas, Ford's chief sales analyst.

Higher fleet volume is an early indicator of future retail sales, said Ken Czubay, Ford's sales boss.

“We're heartened to see that fleets are coming back and they're buying Fords,” he said. “We hope this is a sign of economic recovery.”

GM boosted sales despite having almost no inventory at its discontinued brands. The numbers are even brighter for GM if brands being sold or killed are discounted.

Survivors are stronger

The four surviving brands -- Buick, GMC, Cadillac and Chevrolet -- were up 31 percent. Discontinued brands -- Saab, Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer -- lost 90 percent of volume to a mere 1,727 units. By Edmunds.com's count, GM cut its average incentive per vehicle by $35 since last January, to $3,103.

But the other 2009 bankruptcy survivor, Chrysler, continues to lose sales. A year ago, its January sales fell more than half to 62,157 vehicles. This year, sales fell 8 percent to 57,143.

Not only was Chrysler passed by Nissan at No. 5, upstart South Korean automaker Hyundai-Kia is gaining ground, with 52,626 sales last month.

But Chrysler did slash $1,230 off its average incentives in January and, at $3,061 per vehicle, has become the least generous of the Detroit 3.

Nissan, on the other hand, was the only major manufacturer to boost incentive spending in January -- up $302, to $2,455, Edmunds.com says. That may account for some of its 16 percent sales increase.

Subaru, the only brand with U.S. sales gains in each of the past two years, began 2010 with a 28 percent sales jump.

How much Toyota's recall woes will affect its sales is hard to determine. GM, Ford, Chrysler Group and Hyundai all launched incentives last week aimed at luring Toyota customers. But the effect in January is muted because the events came so late in the month.

No changes in conquests

Ford said today it didn't see any change in conquest sales based on the developments at Toyota. “Just a week into this announcement, it's very hard to predict what's going to happen,” said Ford's Pipas.

Shinichi Sasaki, Toyota's vice president in charge of quality, said today in Japan that the automaker's sales probably will take a hit. On Jan. 26, Toyota halted U.S. sales of eight models after a recall of 2.3 million vehicles tied to faulty accelerator pedals.

Beyond January, Toyota's sales shutdown will have a significant impact in the short term, David Sargent, vice president of automotive research at J.D. Power and Associates, said before today's results were released. He said Toyota probably will lose a few percentage points of market share in February.

“The bigger issue is what's the longer-term impact on their reputation and how that will affect sales going forward,” Sargent said. "What we know is that Toyota's sales are very heavily dependent on reputation for quality and safety."

Yesterday, Toyota said it had found the remedy to fix potentially sticky accelerator pedals in the recalled vehicles, but the company said it is expected to take some time for dealers to complete repairs.

Colin

Acura HQ has clearly outlined that one of their goals is to get our volume back. I am unclear how they are planning to do this without a 'volume' introduction (ZDX and TSX wagon are not going to be volume players)

biker

What was the sales volume prediction for the ZDX? Cuz at 172/mo it's barely outselling the RL.

It would be interesting to know what the diesel numbers are like at VW. Both them and Audi are climing up the sales volume charts. Now if they could just do the same on the reliability charts.

PG2G

As much as people here love to mock the answer, there is no real supply of cars yet. Sounds like most dealers still only have a single demo unit.

biker

^ that limited supply of cars excuse will only go so far.

dom

But I still think its a valid reason. Although I can't see them ever selling more than ~ 500 per month anyway.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

What happened to the cars in the "Entry-Level" category?

2010 Jan 2009 Dec
1. 3 - 5,418 8,963
2. C - 4,028 4,849
3. A4/5 - 3,814 4,937
4. G - 3,763 5,167
5. ES - 2,923 6,531
6. CTS - 2,565 4,180
7. IS - 2,203 4,153
8. TL - 1,986 3,167
9. MKZ - 1,340 2,190
10. 9-3 - 429 699
11. S60 - 6 25

LuvMyTSX

I agree. Out of curiosity, I checked several local dealers' inventories and found only one ZDX listed, so they just aren't out there yet. Seems like someone effed up the launch, because IMO, you'd want at least 5 at each dealer to have on hand for the launch of a new vehicle. Just doesn't seem like it was planned properly.

It will never be a volume seller anyway, but to only have one available at most dealers just seems pretty dumb and poorly planned.

Moog-Type-S

I like the SRX too. Although I disagree with the category. It's in the correct category, and it is bigger than an entry level, it's about the size of the RX..if not a tad bigger.