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Old 03-02-2010, 03:52 PM
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Hyundai sales figures for February 2010 over the same month last year:

Accent - 5,308 (up from 4,334)
Sonata - 7,506 (up from 4,743)
Elantra - 7,966 (down from 8,978)
Santa Fe - 7,964 (up from 5,223)
Azera - 204 (down from 322)
Tucson - 2,741 (up from 1,358)
Veracruz - 553 (down from 1,281)
Genesis - 1,762 (up from 1,263)

Total U.S. February Sales - 34,004
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If the Crosstour picks up momentum it may hit sales goals.
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The Americans

General Motors reported total February sales of 141,951 units, an increase of 11.5 percent over the same month in 2009. The company’s four remaining brands — Buick, Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC — were up 32 percent compared to February 2009. [Sales PDF]

Sales of Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury vehicles climbed 43 percent for a total of 142,285 units — Ford brand sales shot up 46 percent, Lincoln increased 19 percent and Mercury rose 24 percent. [Sales PDF]

Chrysler reported U.S. sales for February of 84,449 units, a slight increase versus the same time period last year (84,050 units). Chrysler brand sales rose 9 percent, Jeep climbed 6 percent, and Dodge was up 8 percent. Sales of vehicles under the Ram division declined a whopping 31 percent. [Sales PDF]

The Asians

Toyota Group sales totaled 100,027, down 8.7 percent from the year-ago month. The Toyota division declined 10.3 percent, while the Lexus brand saw an increase of 4.5 percent. Toyota division sales include Scion, which was down 18.2 percent on its own. [Sales PDF]

Honda fared better, reporting an increase of 12.7 percent when compared to February 2009. Sales totaled 80,671 units. The Honda Division posted February sales of 71,732, an increase of 12.2 percent. Acura Division sales increased 16.7 percent to 8,939. [Sales GIF]

Nissan said it sold 70,189 units in February 2010, an increase of 29.4 percent. Nissan brand vehicles posted sales of 63,148 units in February compared with 47,890 units sold in February the previous year, a 31.9 percent increase. Infiniti sales for February 2010 were 7,041 units, up 10.7 percent from the 6,359 units sold in the same month a year earlier. [Sales PDF]

Mazda sales increased 4.0 percent for a total of 17,054 vehicles. Leading the pack was the new Mazda3, with sales of 8,215 units. Mazda Canada sold 4,929 units, up 6.0 percent compared to last February, while Mazda Motor de Mexico reported sales of 1,722 units, down 3.0 percent. [Sales XLS]

Subaru continues to report impressive sales gains, up 38 percent from Feb 2009. The automaker says it sold 18,098 units in February 2010, setting a new record for the company’s best February ever. The Subaru Outback once again more than doubled its sales from the previous month, resulting in a 159-percent sales increase. The Outback had sales of 6,189 units in February 2010 versus 2,389 units in February 2009. [Sales Chart]

Mitsubishi announced February 2010 sales of 4,019 vehicles, a decrease of 10.4 percent over February 2009. “We intend to build upon this success to enjoy an improved sales increase next month,” said CEO Shinichi Kurihara.

Suzuki’s numbers were among the worst in the industry, falling 61 percent to just 1,375 units. [Sales Chart]

Hyundai announced February sales of 34,004 units, up 11 percent versus February 2009. “Our sales gains in February were driven by strong consumer response to new products like the Tucson, which was up 102 percent, and the all-new U.S.-built Sonata, which was just launched this month and has already driven a 58 percent sales increase,” said Dave Zuchowski, Hyundai Motor America’s vice president of national sales. [Sales Chart]

Kia announced the brand’s best February sales ever of 24,052 units, an increase of 2.3-percent. Kia recently celebrated the grand opening of its first U.S.-based manufacturing plant in West Point, Georgia. [Sales PDF]

The Europeans

Daimler reported sales of 15,827 vehicles, an increase of 1.4 percent over February 2009. The Mercedes-Benz division reported February sales of 14,199 vehicles, a 4.7 percent improvement. The new 9th generation E-Class continued its strong momentum with sales of 4,043 – up 92.2% over February 2009. The Smart division fared much worse. Smart USA sales plunged by 68.8 percent, from 1,415 down to 442 units. [Sales Chart]

The BMW Group reported 17,971 unit sales, an increase of 13.7 percent. The BMW brand was up 16.3 percent to 15,100 units, while MINI was up just 1.6 percent for a total of 2,871 sales. Results were driven by the BMW X5, up 75.5 percent, and the X6, increasing 97.6 percent. [Sales PDF]

Volkswagen reported February 2010 sales of 18,116 total units, representing a 32.6 percent increase over February 2009. Tiguan sales rose 94 percent, while GTI deliveries shot up 167 percent. “Our newer models such as Tiguan, Routan, CC, and all-new GTI continue to gain awareness and consideration with consumers,” said Mark Barnes, Chief Operating Officer. [Sales Chart]

Audi had a strong month, with sales rising 33.6 percent to 6,216 vehicles. Audi’s bread-and-butter model line – the A4/S4 range – turned in a solid month with sales increasing 20.8 percent from February 2009. Also worth noting is a steep jump in A5 sales — 108 percent — due to the introduction of the new convertible model. Sales of the A3 also increased considerably, by 126 percent. However, the A3 still remains relatively low volume, with just 434 units sold. [Sales Chart]

Jaguar-Land Rover sold 2,793 units, an 11 percent increase from February 2009. Jaguar brand sales declined 4 percent to 761 units, while Land Rover sales were up 18 percent to 2,032 vehicles.
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Maxima has 5300 sales. Almost top in FWD $30K sedan. Nissan needs new Sentra/Altima/Quest/Pathfinder and offcourse Nissan Patrol



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Nissan North America Announces February Sales

Download image FRANKLIN, Tenn., March 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported February 2010 sales of 70,189 units versus 54,249 units a year earlier, an increase of 29.4 percent, compared with February 2009. Nissan Division sales rose 31.9 percent for the month, while sales of Infiniti vehicles were 10.7 percent higher than a year before.

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"Both the Nissan and Infiniti divisions experienced strong sales in February, with combined sales up 29.4 percent from last year," said Brian Carolin, senior vice president, Sales and Marketing, NNA. "The gains were posted across our car and truck lineups."

NNA INFORMATION

•Combined Nissan and Infiniti sales of 70,189 units were 29.4 percent higher than February sales a year before of 54,249 units.
•To ensure consistency in global sales reporting, NNA calculates monthly variances on a straight-percentage basis, unadjusted for the number of selling days. February had 24 selling days, as did February a year before.


NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS

•Nissan vehicles posted sales of 63,148 units in February compared with 47,890 units sold in February the previous year, a 31.9 percent increase.
•Sales of the Versa subcompact were up 130.1 percent over February a year ago, with sales of 11,609 units marking a record February.
•The Rogue compact crossover also saw record sales in February, with 6,143 units, up 11.4 percent over the prior year.
•Other vehicles experiencing strong year-over-year sales gains were Maxima (89.5 percent), Frontier (56.5 percent), and Armada (101.2 percent).


INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS

•Infiniti sales for February 2010 were 7,041 units, up 10.7 percent from the 6,359 units sold in the same month a year earlier.
•Sales of the G Sedan were up 25.2 percent to 2,686 units, and sales of the G Coupe rose 41.1 percent over last February, with 1,270 units.
•The QX56 full-size luxury SUV was up 219.4 percent in February with sales of 808 units.


In North America, Nissan's operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. Nissan is dedicated to improving the environment under the Nissan Green Program 2010, whose key priorities are reducing CO2 emissions, cutting other emissions and increasing recycling. More information on Nissan in North America and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissanusa.com and http://www.nissandriven.com/www.infinitiusa.com.




NISSAN DIVISION
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February February Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD
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2010 2009 % chg 2010 2009 % chg
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Nissan Division
Total 63,148 47,890 31.9 119,009 94,659 25.7
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Versa 11,609 5,045 130.1 17,523 10,047 74.4
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Sentra 7,769 5,762 34.8 15,283 11,093 37.8
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Cube 2,814 n/a n/a 4,975 n/a n/a
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Altima 16,198 16,002 1.2 34,834 30,137 15.6
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Maxima 5,301 2,798 89.5 9,317 5,444 71.1
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350/370Z 699 1,452 -51.9 1,372 2,732 -49.8
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GT-R 71 169 -58.0 138 263 -47.5
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Total Car 44,461 31,228 42.4 83,442 59,716 39.7
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Frontier 2,532 1,617 56.6 4,487 3,220 39.3
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Titan 1,721 1,508 14.1 3,213 2,966 8.3
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Xterra 1,490 1,105 34.8 2,724 2,409 13.1
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Pathfinder 1,491 1,498 -0.5 3,068 3,045 0.8
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Armada 1,211 602 101.2 2,629 1,319 99.3
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Rogue 6,143 5,515 11.4 11,626 11,317 2.7
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Murano 4,056 4,126 -1.7 7,704 9,330 -17.4
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Quest 43 691 -93.8 116 1,337 -91.3
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Total Truck 18,687 16,662 12.2 35,567 34,943 1.8
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North American
produced 49,365 36,628 34.8 93,194 71,017 31.2
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Car 40,877 29,607 38.1 76,957 56,721 35.7
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Truck 8,488 7,021 20.9 16,237 14,296 13.6
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Import 13,783 11,262 22.4 25,815 23,642 9.2
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Car 3,584 1,621 121.1 6,485 2,995 116.5
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Truck 10,199 9,641 5.8 19,330 20,647 -6.4
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INFINITI DIVISION
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February February Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD
-------- -------- ------- ---- ---- ----
2010 2009 % chg 2010 2009 % chg
---- ---- ----- ---- ---- -----


Infiniti Division
Total 7,041 6,359 10.7 13,752 13,474 2.1
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G Sedan 2,686 2,145 25.2 5,366 4,754 12.9
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G Coupe 1,270 900 41.1 2,353 1,800 30.7
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M 817 1,107 -26.2 1,689 2,283 -26.0
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QX56 808 253 219.4 1,472 490 200.4
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EX 575 880 -34.7 1,141 1,656 -31.1
--- --- --- ----- ----- ----- -----
FX 885 1,074 -17.6 1,731 2,491 -30.5
--- --- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Total Car 4,773 4,152 15.0 9,408 8,837 6.5
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Total Truck 2,268 2,207 2.8 4,344 4,637 -6.3
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NISSAN & INFINITI
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February February Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD
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2010 2009 % chg 2010 2009 % chg
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TOTAL VEHICLE 70,189 54,249 29.4 132,761 108,133 22.8
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Total Car 49,234 35,380 39.2 92,850 68,553 35.4
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Total Truck 20,955 18,869 11.1 39,911 39,580 0.8
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Selling days 24 24 48 50
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* all numbers include Hawaii.

SOURCE Nissan North America, Inc.

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Looks like that darned availability bug continues to haunt the TL.

People said the same thing about the Insight and I was reading Yahoo and this caught my eye....Insight is 24th in sales in Japan so there is no way it could be an Availability issue here or due to the fact demand is high elsewhere. This completely shuts the door on that argument.

The Fit is doing well!

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Toyota Prius tops Japan sales despite recall woes
Toyota's Prius hybrid tops Japan's February car sales despite automaker's recall woes
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Visitors are silhouetted as they watch a video showing the assembly line of a Toyota Motor Corp.'s plant at the automaker's exhibition hall in Toyota, central Japan, Thursday, March 4, 2010. Toyota's Prius remains the top-selling car in Japan despite the automaker's global recall woes that included braking problems with the hit hybrid. More than 27,000 of the gas-electric hybrids were sold in February, making the Prius the best selling model for the 10th straight month, according to Japan Automobile Dealers Association figures released Thursday. (AP Photo/Shuji Kajiyama)

Visitors are silhouetted as they watch a video showing the assembly line of a Toyota Motor Corp.'s plant at the automaker's exhibition hall in Toyota, central Japan, Thursday, March 4, 2010. Toyota's Prius remains the top-selling car in Japan despite the automaker's global recall woes that included braking problems with the hit hybrid. More than 27,000 of the gas-electric hybrids were sold in February, making the Prius the best selling model for the 10th straight month, according to Japan Automobile Dealers Association figures released Thursday. (AP Photo/Shuji Kajiyama)
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TOKYO (AP) -- Toyota's Prius remains the top-selling car in Japan despite the automaker's global recall woes that included braking problems with the hit hybrid.

More than 27,000 of the gas-electric hybrids were sold in February, making the Prius the best selling model for the 10th straight month, according to Japan Automobile Dealers Association figures released Thursday.

The continued popularity of the Prius comes despite Toyota's recall debacle affecting 8.5 million vehicles around the world, including the third-generation Prius in Japan, recalled for a glitch in antilock braking. But the safety concerns and bad publicity has hurt sales of Toyota models in the U.S. -- the automaker's biggest market.

Sales of the Prius have been boosted by its reputation for delivering superb mileage by switching between a gasoline engine and electric motor as well as tax breaks and other government incentives.

The Prius, also the world's top-selling hybrid, has been so popular in Japan that it has a big backlog of orders, with a waiting list lasting about six months.

"The reaction within Japan has been very calm," said dealers' association spokesman Kentaro Nakata. Cancellations of Prius orders are extremely rare, he said. "There are people waiting to snatch up the car. The Prius is seen as the pioneer of hybrid technology, and its brand image is solid."

Toyota's handling of the quality lapses, which emerged in the U.S. last year, has received widespread media attention in its home market but loyalty to Toyota remains relatively strong because the other defects behind the recalls -- sticky gas pedals and faulty floor mats -- have not affected any models sold in Japan.

Toyota, the world's biggest automaker, began offering new software to fix the braking problem on the Prius and two other hybrid models last month. The company said most of the fixes are expected to be completed by the end of March. It did not have a comment on Prius' topping the Japan sales rankings.

"Sales aren't likely to taper off until next year," Mamoru Katou, analyst with Tokai Tokyo Research, said of the Prius. "Sales are going strong despite the big fuss, although there are some cancellations."

Katou says February's sales reflect demand from buyers who had placed orders before the recalls, and the car's longer-term success remains uncertain as the Prius is expected to face competition from rival models.

In Japan, Honda Motor Co.'s Fit subcompact was second in sales in February at nearly 14,000, followed by three of Toyota's smaller models, the Vitz, Passo and Corolla.

Honda's Insight hybrid has not fared as well as the Prius, sinking to No. 24, after briefly reaching No. 1 before the remodeled Prius went on sale in May.

Partly behind the decline in Insight sales was the introduction late last month of the CR-Z, a sporty hybrid, with advance orders already topping 5,000, according to Honda, the nation's second biggest automaker.

The Tokyo-based automaker is targeting monthly Japan sales of 1,000 for the CR-Z.


There have been no high-profile accidents or drivers complaining publicly of unintended acceleration in Japan, as there have been in the U.S., where Toyota's once stellar reputation for quality is getting hammered.

Toyota U.S. sales for February dropped a smaller-than-expected 9 percent year-on-year, according to data released Tuesday. Toyota is offering zero-percent financing on most models this month plus two years of free maintenance to returning customers in the U.S.

Other automakers, including U.S. automaker Ford Motor Co. and Hyundai Motor of South Korea, saw U.S. sales recover from February 2009, when demand was hurt by the recession.

Nakata expects Prius sales to continue to be strong in Japan.

"As far as we can see, we can barely feel any effect from the overseas recalls," he said.
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Figures show Audi surging over other VW brands
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FRANKFURT — Volkswagen's luxury brand Audi is racing ahead of VW's other makes and generated more than 85 percent of total operating profit in 2009, according to group figures released on Thursday.

Audi's operating profit of 1.6 billion euros (2.2 billion dollars) was nearly three times that of VW's eponymous brand, which posted a profit of 561 million euros.
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Originally Posted by LessisBestmakingendsmeet
People said the same thing about the Insight and I was reading Yahoo and this caught my eye....Insight is 24th in sales in Japan so there is no way it could be an Availability issue here or due to the fact demand is high elsewhere. This completely shuts the door on that argument.

The Fit is doing well!
Insight is the second best selling car in Japan currently. One or two bad months does not equal a trend.

Here is a perfect post by danielgr which applies to you:

You know what's the easiest way to mislead people while providing "(des)information"? Well, keep it "localized".

In this particular case : "provide January and February weak sales while omitting that December was the highest selling month ever". Then of course you don't have to ask yourself the question as of "what brought Insight sales from the December record high number (12k) to the January and February record low numbers (3.5k)". Too many questions ask for too much thinking after all ...

You should also avoid by all means to consider that December was not "a huge exception". The fact is, the Insight was sold for 3 months before the Prius arrived to the market:
- On the first two it sold about 4k/month which happened to be the slowest selling months in 2009.
- On the 3rd one it became Japan's best selling car (1st for a hybrid), clearly thanks to Honda avoiding Fit sales, because after all, that "record-beating" performance was just about 10k cars.
- The average Insight sales since that month (April) to December was over 9k, so neither the record beating April nor December were precisely "a one off performance".

All that shows you how inaccurate is the quote : "the Insight was selling well until King Prius came", which is either plain ignorance or a purposedly thrown lie hoping that popular believes and misconceptions help it remain untouched.


Then of course you should avoid keeping in mind that a very anticipated model sharing its production line and hybrid parts with the Insight (the CR-Z) was to be introduced in late February, and avoid by all means considering the posibility that:
- December record must for sure have had a non negligible impact on dealers' inventories.
- Honda would do everything needed to ensure that CR-Z production starts under full control and that both cars can be made together while ensuring maximum quality. And "everything" includes slowing down Insight production.

Now, that would need too much thinking on one hand, and on the other it wouldn't help you making the point you'd like to (Insight = failure ; hopefully CR-Z = failure as well ; hopefully a new wave of NSX-like cars coming back as a result !!).
So of course I understand that you were not really interested to use your time for it.

As I said in another thread, we will have to wait a few months to see how Insight/CR-Z sales balance together, and that may require to wait for the CR-Z to be sold overseas as well.
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I'm not sure if Honda can get 1,000 CR-Z sales even in the US unless its super affordable.
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danielgr is the biggest Honda pacifist on that site, he's as equally fervent at defending anything Honda as the Honda trolls are there to shoot down everything.

It's the same ole 'limited production impacting sales volume' tune that's been sung here month after month, thrown in with some other intangible mumbo jumbo of which he has no concrete proof.

But he writes well.
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danielgr is the biggest Honda pacifist on that site, he's as equally fervent at defending anything Honda as the Honda trolls are there to shoot down everything.

It's the same ole 'limited production impacting sales volume' tune that's been sung here month after month, thrown in with some other intangible mumbo jumbo of which he has no concrete proof.

But he writes well.
danielgr the biggest Honda pacifist? I don't think so. He is never afraid to criticize Honda and if you read all his posts, not just the ones that he is defending Honda in, you would see that.

He presents the facts straight and clear. It takes common sense to make sense of those facts though.
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danielgr the biggest Honda pacifist? I don't think so. He is never afraid to criticize Honda and if you read all his posts, not just the ones that he is defending Honda in, you would see that.

He presents the facts straight and clear. It takes common sense to make sense of those facts though.


I think 80honda over at TOV is a bigger Honda pacifist than danielgr.
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American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted March sales of 108,262 vehicles, an increase of 17.8 percent based on the daily selling rate*, the company announced today. American Honda year-to-date sales of 256,412 represent an increase of 12.5 percent based on the daily selling rate.

Honda Division posted March sales of 96,540, an increase of 16.9 percent versus March 2009, and was led by total car sales of 55,341, up 7.8 percent. Accord sales increased 23.2 percent to 29,120, and Civic sales increased 4.6 percent to 22,463.

Every Honda light-truck model posted a sales increase for the month, up 31.9 percent overall, with total sales of 41,199. CR-V sales of 14,848 increased 10.2 percent, Odyssey sales of 10,670 increased 25.8 percent and Pilot sales of 10,432 increased 47.8 percent.

"Our truck models are seeing the biggest gains compared to last year," s
aid John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda. "Across the lineup, people are seeking long-term value and are placing a high priority on making smart purchase decisions."

Acura Division sales increased 25.2 percent to 11,722. Acura car sales posted an increase of 15.6 percent for a total of 7,152, led by TL sales of 3,917, an increase of 16.6 percent. TSX sales of 3,072, increased 15.6 percent. Acura MDX sales of 3,281, up 42.0 percent, led Acura total truck sales of 4,570, up 43.7 percent.

*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 26 days for March 2010 and 25 days for March 2009. Year-to-date, the DSR is calculated with 74 days for 2010, versus 75 days for 2009. All percentages reflect DSR.

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^^ Wow, they got those numbers out early! I guess the extra production helped out.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aAACQMzsAR0Q

Honda’s U.S. production in February increased 62 percent to 76,646 as it benefited from the recovery in auto sales there. Edmunds.com estimates U.S. car sales will rise 31 percent in March from a year earlier, while Honda’s may gain 22 percent, the industry researcher said last week.

The Tokyo-based company increased China production 26 percent to 43,843 units. Honda’s local venture with Dongfeng Motor Group Co. said last month it will invest 1.15 billion yuan ($168 million) to build a second plant in China that will begin production in the second half of 2012. The factory’s target capacity for Honda-brand vehicles is 240,000 vehicles a year.

Honda will also increase production capacity at the venture’s existing plant in Hubei province to 240,000 vehicles this year, from 200,000.
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What's this I hear about the TL's polarizing look? Approaching 4000 units. Anyone have data on the TL's competitors?

Check out the Pilot. Up a smoking 47.8%...
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lol. One decent month out of what, 14 , 15 and suddenly the TL looks good. Lets see what competitors did and see if this continues before passing judgment.

Of course if its competitors had a bad month I'm sure it was just because of low production and poor availability.
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March 2010 - Overall Luxury Brand Sales
1. Lexus - 20,219
2. Mercedes-Benz - 20,023
3. BMW - 18,060
4. Acura - 11,722
5. Cadillac - 11,639
6. Infiniti - 9,942
7. Lincoln - 8,693
8. Audi - 8,589
9. Volvo - 5,237
10. Land Rover - 2,726
11. Porsche - 1,905
12. Jaguar - 983
13. Saab - N/A

March 2010 - Luxury Car Sales By Segment

Entry-Level CUV
1. GLK - 2,333
2. Q5 - 1,701
3. XC60 - 1,263
4. RDX - 1,025
5. EX - 726
6. X3 - 716
7. LR2 - N/A

Mid-Level SUV
1. RX - 8,060
2. SRX - 4,090
3. MDX - 3,281
4. X5 - 2,536
5. ML - 2,154
6. MKX - 2,032
7. GX - 1,785
8. FX - 1,064
9. RR Sport - 1,033
10. XC90 - 833
11. LR4 - 529
12. Cayenne - 397
13. X6 - 363
14. Q7 - 541
15. ZDX - 264
16. 9-5x - N/A

Large SUV
1. GL - 1,881
2. Escalade - 1,269
3. QX - 1,041
4. Range Rover - 806
5. MKT - 744
6. Navigator - 676
7. LX - 314
8. G Wagon - 62

Pre-Entry-Level
1. TSX - 3,072
2. HS - 1,494
3. C30/S40/V50 - 981
4. 1-Series - 949
5. A3 - 548

Entry-Level
1. 3 - 9,413
2. C - 6,006
3. G - 5,671
4. A4/5 - 4,733
5. TL - 3,917
6. ES - 3,860
7. IS - 3,137
8. CTS - 2,870
9. MKZ - 2,456
10. S60 - 1
11. 9-3 - N/A

Mid-Level
1. E - 5,042
2. 5 - 2,886
3. MKS - 1,443
4. M - 1,440
5. S80 - 851
6. A6/S6 - 799
7. XF - 742
8. GS - 645
9. STS - 400
10. RL - 163
11. 9-5 - N/A

Flagship
1. S-Class - 1,242
2. LS - 894
3. 7-Series - 733
4. Panamera - 542
5. A8/S8 - 63
6. XJ - N/A

Luxury Coupe/GT
1. A5/S5 - 1,675
2. G37 Coupe - 1,650
3. Corvette - 955
4. 911 - 615
5. C70 - 451
6. Boxster/Cayman - 351
7. Z4 - 250
8. SL - 245
9. SLK - 235
10. 6-Series - 214
11. TT - 152
12. CL - 90
13. GT-R - 87
14. R8 - 52
15. XLR - 39
16. SC - 30
17. CLK - 9
18. XK - N/A
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^^ Thanks Drew. The small SUV market is still pretty 'small' though the GLK seems to be doing well. I wonder if this segment has 'under grown' what the manufacturers expected? The RDX has been doing pretty well recently, lots of interest in 2WD especially. Our last batch only had 5 cars but 3 were sold before the landed [scratches head]
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Lexus RX sales just amaze me. How? Why?
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Lexus RX sales just amaze me. How? Why?
I always think the same thing. I'm amazed. To me there are several better choices (including the MDX).

Goes to show you how very out of sync most of us on here are with the average car consumer. People on the TSX board are whining that Acura didn't put a MT in the new TSX wagon. Are you kidding me? They'd sell three a year. What are people thinking. Even I can tell you that won't sell well

But the RX? I don't see what the big attraction is. I guess it's just become a "status" car for the suburban mom crowd. Kind of how the 3 series is a status car for the young professional crowd. I can't explain the 3 series numbers either after I've test driven one. I guess we shouldn't try to undestand it. The need to conform is powerful among our species

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I guess I'm not at all surprised by the RX. Good looks, great reliability, great brand image/recognition and good pricing to compared to MB/BMW etc. Its a great soccer mom mobile.

Having said that I'd take an MDX every time.
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
But the RX? I don't see what the big attraction is. I guess it's just become a "status" car for the suburban mom crowd. Kind of how the 3 series is a status car for the young professional crowd. I can't explain the 3 series numbers either after I've test driven one. I guess we shouldn't try to undestand it. The need to conform is powerful among our species
So it has nothing to do with the product? I guess all those great selling Honda's (Accord, Ody, CR-V, Civic) are also people simply conforming?

I think you're putting too much weight on your opinion and not giving people enough credit. If they're smart enough to know the best minivan is the biz is an Ody then aren't they also smart enough to know the class of entry level luxury is the 3 series?

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TL sales ranking without combining other cars:

Entry-Level
1. 3 - 9,413
2. C - 6,006
3. G - 5,671
4. TL - 3,917
5. ES - 3,860
6. IS - 3,137
7. A4- 3,058
8. CTS - 2,870
9. MKZ - 2,456
10. A5 - 1,675
11. S60 - 1
12. 9-3 - N/A

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Originally Posted by JeffS
Lexus RX sales just amaze me. How? Why?
I suspect that this is a question that will forever elude man's ability to understand. Yes, the gender-exclusive language is intentional.
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So it has nothing to do with the product? I guess all those great selling Honda's (Accord, Ody, CR-V, Civic) are also people simply conforming?

I think you're putting too much weight on your opinion and not giving people enough credit. If they're smart enough to know the best minivan is the biz is an Ody then aren't they also smart enough to know the class of entry level luxury is the 3 series?
"Nothing" would be too strong a word. But yes, I'm saying it has more to do with being like the guy next door rather than doing your homework and buying the best car. The numbers for the RX and 3 series point that out. Especially the 3 series. Unless you usually enter a curve and wonder where the apex is, unless you can appreciate and benefit from the superior handling capabilities of a 335, then you are buying more car than you need and are wasting your money buying it.

Unfortunately, 90% of the people I personally know who own one (including my 40 year old female cousin) is wasting their money and really bought the car because it was "the" car to buy in their eco-geo-gender-age category in order to fit in. It had nothing to do with appreciating the car for what it offers.
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As long as you can admit to top selling Honda's only being on top because of people conforming I'm ok with your argument.

But I think we both know you won't. Nor should you, because IMO the product has more to do with them being top sellers than conforming does.

The Civic has been Canada's best selling car for some 13 years in a row. And it hasn't been best in class every year. So while there is truth to what you're saying. (Honda has a great rep in Canada) its far from the only or primary reason.

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RX is a pretty good product because it fits the need of most people in the soccer-mom luxury SUV segment:
- luxury, check
- badge, check
- space, check
- comfort, check
- price/value, check
- reliability, check
- AND not affected by recalls.
Despite not winning any prize from car magazines.

Almost no one buys a mid size SUV to take fast corners.
MDX with a regular 2-row version would sell better.

3 series is a totally different story. It trumps its competition in every comparison test by car magazines and media. Even regular Joe can appreciate the optimal blend of smooth ride and nice handling (if not power).
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Originally Posted by dom
As long as you can admit to top selling Honda's only being on top because of people conforming I'm ok with your argument.

But I think we both know you won't.
No I totally agree with that statement about Honda's and Hyundai's, etc. Why would I disagree with you there?

People buy them for different reasons. They are not "it" cars. They are utilitarian cars. No one buys an Accord to impress his neighbors. He buys it because he has a family to raise and needs a reliable affordable value orriented car to drive to work. That's really the case with most cars. Very few find their way into a status symbol. Something that you "wear" like a piece of clothing to be seen in.

Look at this months entry level luxury numbers. The 3 series sold 9k, the C sold 6k, the G 5k and the TL sold 4k. I suspect you've driven all those cars. Do you really believe the 3 and C are that much better than a TL and G? Is it a coincidence that the two top selling cars in that category also are the most expensive and thus perceived as most exclusive? Of the 4k people who bought a TL, I'd venture to guess that virtually 100% of them bought the car because they sized it up and decided it was the best car for them for the money. I think the same would be true for the G. Of the 9k people who bought the 3 series, I'd guess that the people who bought it because they truly loved what distinguishes it from a TL or G is closer to 20%. Some are young male agressive drivers. But most are30-40 something femails driving it to the grocery store. I'd say that based on everyone I know who owns a 3 series. The sales numbers are just inflated with those buying it to be cool. It's not really a statement of how much better that car is in total. It certainly isn't a statement about how much value it offers.

That's all I was saying. Don't extrapolate that to all cars that sell well.
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Originally Posted by TMQ
RX is a pretty good product because it fits the need of most people in the soccer-mom luxury SUV segment:
- luxury, check
- badge, check
- space, check
- comfort, check
- price/value, check
- reliability, check
- AND not affected by recalls.
Despite not winning any prize from car magazines.

Almost no one buys a mid size SUV to take fast corners.
MDX with a regular 2-row version would sell better.

3 series is a totally different story. It trumps its competition in every comparison test by car magazines and media. Even regular Joe can appreciate the optimal blend of smooth ride and nice handling (if not power).
Sorry, but I gotta point out the above highlighted. My wife has a RX330 and it was affected by a floor mat recall a couple of years ago. Lexus claimed the floor mats would become unhinged and cause the gas pedal to accelerate. Hmmm.... sounds familiar?

I agree with the SpiceMikey. The RX is nothing more than a glorified boring Highlander. Decent comfort, cargo space, reliability (or so we think), with a badge to boot. Its success is a triumph of smart marketing.
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20%? I think your letting your low opinion of the 3 series get the better of you.
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Originally Posted by docboy

I agree with the SpiceMikey. The RX is nothing more than a glorified boring Highlander. Decent comfort, cargo space, reliability (or so we think), with a badge to boot. Its success is a triumph of smart marketing.
If this is your line of thinking then isn't the TL a glorified Accord and also a triumph of smart marketing?
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If this is your line of thinking then isn't the TL a glorified Accord and also a triumph of smart marketing?
Not quite... the Accord sedan does not come with SH-AWD and a 6spd manual.

If the Accord 4 cylinder sedan did have AWD and a manual transmission, I would have likely gotten the Accord. If the Accord sedan came with a V6, AWD, and a manual, then it's a no brainer. Accord it is...
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20%? I think your letting your low opinion of the 3 series get the better of you.
Dom, not true again. I love the 3 series. Stop putting words in my mouth. It handles like nothing else in it's category. But, yes, I think most people buying a 3 series are not buying it for what makes it great. I have no idea if 20% is right. But it's a majority from what I can see.

Some cars just get trendy in specific segments. Have you seen those Audi commercials recently. Man, they just nails it right on the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfTyVL9TQmA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huT_PeARe_Q

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Not quite... the Accord sedan does not come with SH-AWD and a 6spd manual.

If the Accord 4 cylinder sedan did have AWD and a manual transmission, I would have likely gotten the Accord. If the Accord sedan came with a V6, AWD, and a manual, then it's a no brainer. Accord it is...
docboy, the Accord coupe has a 6 speed manual and we all know the TL and Accord are built side by side. Correct me if I am wrong and getting to the RX it offers much more technology and optional features than the Highlander including a more advanced hybrid system.

So again both the TL and RX come from lesser/shared bits and both do their job to attract consumers. If we look at optional features the RX offers more technology than the TL and amazingly seems to hit $60,000 loaded up
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Originally Posted by LessisBestmakingendsmeet
docboy, the Accord coupe has a 6 speed manual and we all know the TL and Accord are built side by side. Correct me if I am wrong and getting to the RX it offers much more technology and optional features than the Highlander including a more advanced hybrid system.

So again both the TL and RX come from lesser/shared bits and both do their job to attract consumers. If we look at optional features the RX offers more technology than the TL and amazingly seems to hit $60,000 loaded up
I realize the Accord coupe has a 6spd manual. It's a nice one too. But it doesn't come with AWD, which I want for all weather traction (and the dry handling performance is a nice boost )

There's nothing wrong, IMHO, with sharing parts from their "lesser" cousins. Shared costs = cost savings for the company.

After driving/riding in my wife's RX, I just don't find anything special or exciting about it. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice car, smooth riding car and family hauler, but doesn't excite me. She loves it b/c it looks nice and it's a Lexus. I tried to get her into a Highlander, but she wanted the status symbol.

But I totally agree, a loaded RX hybrid is ridiculously priced. I rather have the Highlander (not that I would drive a Toyota anymore).
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But I totally agree, a loaded RX hybrid is ridiculously priced. I rather have the Highlander (not that I would drive a Toyota anymore).
The Highlander is MUCH cheaper-feeling on the inside. If you want a modicum of interior luxury, there are better options.

The RX works compared to the other options in the segment because of its interior design, overall easy-going nature (including the trademark heavily overboosted steering), and attractive exterior design. The RX also has a good reputation given that it basically invented the jellybean crossover segment. It's hard to knock a segment-defining vehicle off its perch.
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I think the RX is a great vehicle.
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Infiniti could be in a solid 3rd position in almost every category if they fixed the EX and FX. The FX is cool, but too polarizing, and it needs more space. The EX looks okay, but is completely useless for utility. One of those two needs to directly compete with the RX. The G, M, and QX are all doing fine IMO. Surly, they could beat A8 sales and XJ sales if they bring back a really good Q. Audi keeps bringing the A8 back to the U.S. market, even though it has been a sales failure for 4 generations (Audi V8 included).
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RX=ewwwww. I don't understand its success, either. Chickmobile..... MDX is better in every way IMHO.

Glad to see the TL is doing better.
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I think the RX is a great vehicle.
A little quirky looking from the outside, but I wouldn't call it ugly.

Interior is where it really shines though. The smaller patches of polished wood in that car puts the MDX's forest of plood to shame. It's about subtlety and luxury and the designers combined that very well. You don't necessarily need to slap wood and metal everywhere to make it work. Plus that "mouse" on the shifter is just brilliant.

They just know how to put a package together - more of what you want vs what you don't want. As a consumer i shouldn't have the choice of only an AWD MDX just because Honda decided to push that on me to go around their FWD-only problem.
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