Honda: Development and Technology News
11-09-2010, 04:46 PM
#1521
Senior Moderator
Sorry Waldorf...you were talking minimalist. I gave you minimalist interior. 
11-09-2010, 04:46 PM
#1522
The sizzle in the Steak
11-09-2010, 04:47 PM
#1523
Senior Moderator
OKAY.
BACK to Honda, folks...this tangent has lasted long enough. If you want to debate the virtues of the entry-level luxury car interior...Start up a thread in Car Talk.
BACK to Honda, folks...this tangent has lasted long enough. If you want to debate the virtues of the entry-level luxury car interior...Start up a thread in Car Talk.
11-09-2010, 04:47 PM
#1524
Senior Moderator
If Acura wants "Smart" Tech how about thinking outside of the box and not waiting for everyone else to pass you including the big 3 and come up with a modern trans. 6 speeds should have been across the board years ago, they should be rolling out DSG style trans by now or the next iteration of them. They are behind. Behind big. Any one thats making excuses for them is nothing more than a fan boy.
11-09-2010, 04:47 PM
#1525
The sizzle in the Steak
11-09-2010, 04:48 PM
#1526
Senior Moderator
11-09-2010, 04:48 PM
#1527
Senior Moderator
BACK ON TOPIC! 
11-09-2010, 04:48 PM
#1528
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no wonder.....yea...temple of vtec isn't the best name ever....
hmmmm...some good and interesting good points here. 
You see, (I apologize in advance if this come as fanboy talk...it is not....I was one of the biggest supporter of "German superiority" in the past...until I opened my eyes) there is "smart" technology equipment and "my penis is bigger than yours" (where Germans are specialized)technology equipment.
8 speed may make a little bit of sense in very big displacement engines (after all Lexus did introduce it in the LS) it doesn't and it is frankly ridiculous on a smaller powerplant...Lexus still offer 6 speed automatic on their V6 engines..why do you think is that??....the little A4 4 cylinder blender engine with an 8 speed is plain ridiculous if not pathetic...weight and waste...another example of German sometime snonsensical "innovation"..some MB models have 2 reverse gear....plainly ridiculous...additional weight and cost for what??
Smart technology and innovation is the vectoring AWD system (with Audi precipitously copying the concept), the lane departure adaptive cruise control (Nissan), the variable timing (Honda), dual scroll turbochargers (IHI), cabin microfilter (Lexus), navigation system (Honda) etc....
Japanese tend to excel at "smart" innovation in the automotive world....most of us Japanese car admirers are attracted to their elegant solutions, hate for waste and unnecessary complication, the Zen-like approach to innovation, cost effective technology...we profoundly dislike the German pissing context "panzer" attitude....
I give you an example.....if the Japanese decided to make a Bugatti Veyron type of car they would have not have designed a horrendously complicated W16 engine with 4 turbochargers...they would probably have developed an automotive gas turbine (pioneered by Chrysler in the 50's and 60's) weighting a fraction, conceptually simpler and with with tremendous power.......
The Germans gave up on the Wankel engine because the shortcoming were considered "unworkable" (reliability and oil consumption) and basically sold the rights to Mazda for a song......and look what happened next....
8 speed may make a little bit of sense in very big displacement engines (after all Lexus did introduce it in the LS) it doesn't and it is frankly ridiculous on a smaller powerplant...Lexus still offer 6 speed automatic on their V6 engines..why do you think is that??....the little A4 4 cylinder blender engine with an 8 speed is plain ridiculous if not pathetic...weight and waste...another example of German sometime snonsensical "innovation"..some MB models have 2 reverse gear....plainly ridiculous...additional weight and cost for what??
Smart technology and innovation is the vectoring AWD system (with Audi precipitously copying the concept), the lane departure adaptive cruise control (Nissan), the variable timing (Honda), dual scroll turbochargers (IHI), cabin microfilter (Lexus), navigation system (Honda) etc....
Japanese tend to excel at "smart" innovation in the automotive world....most of us Japanese car admirers are attracted to their elegant solutions, hate for waste and unnecessary complication, the Zen-like approach to innovation, cost effective technology...we profoundly dislike the German pissing context "panzer" attitude....
I give you an example.....if the Japanese decided to make a Bugatti Veyron type of car they would have not have designed a horrendously complicated W16 engine with 4 turbochargers...they would probably have developed an automotive gas turbine (pioneered by Chrysler in the 50's and 60's) weighting a fraction, conceptually simpler and with with tremendous power.......
The Germans gave up on the Wankel engine because the shortcoming were considered "unworkable" (reliability and oil consumption) and basically sold the rights to Mazda for a song......and look what happened next....
11-09-2010, 04:49 PM
#1529
Safety Car
as far as the design goes, i'd pick acura's interior based on those 3 pictures..
but just because it looks nicer, doesn't mean it's better
as far as the quality of materials combined into the look, i'd pick either audi or acura..
but just because it looks nicer, doesn't mean it's better
as far as the quality of materials combined into the look, i'd pick either audi or acura..
11-09-2010, 04:50 PM
#1531
Senior Moderator
All I can say is: I hope Honda makes a decent sporty car again soon. Certainly, the CR-Z has the look...but, let's get some power going.
Please.
Please.
11-09-2010, 04:51 PM
#1532
Senior Moderator
And for effs sakes...RWD please.
11-09-2010, 04:52 PM
#1533
In terms of interior looks, and in my own opinion.... (well, of the pic comparison several posts above)
Acura > Audi > BMW
BMW interiors nowadays are quintessentially German. Boring, but hey I bet a huge team of engineers designed that!
Acura > Audi > BMW
BMW interiors nowadays are quintessentially German. Boring, but hey I bet a huge team of engineers designed that!
11-09-2010, 04:52 PM
#1534
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
If Acura wants "Smart" Tech how about thinking outside of the box and not waiting for everyone else to pass you including the big 3 and come up with a modern trans. 6 speeds should have been across the board years ago, they should be rolling out DSG style trans by now or the next iteration of them. They are behind. Behind big. Any one thats making excuses for them is nothing more than a fan boy.
11-09-2010, 04:53 PM
#1535
Senior Moderator
Stupid canceled S2K.
Stupid canceled Prelude.
Stupid canceled Integra.
Stupid stupid stupid stupid.
Stupid canceled Prelude.
Stupid canceled Integra.
Stupid stupid stupid stupid.
11-09-2010, 04:56 PM
#1536
At the present times BMW give you standard fake leather in their 3 and Acura give you real perforated Milano leather in their TL...even the lowly TSX has real leather.....end of discussion.
P.S.
Some old BMW loyalist are pissed at the standard fake leather thing...is becoming a bit of an issue....
11-09-2010, 04:56 PM
#1537
The sizzle in the Steak
11-09-2010, 04:57 PM
#1538
Senior Moderator
11-09-2010, 04:57 PM
#1539
Senior Moderator
I do like the Accord coupe. Yes, I know some of you don't enjoy it...but, I think if they can do a Type R version of that...IWHI. 
11-09-2010, 04:58 PM
#1540
The sizzle in the Steak
I do not know about the CL....
At the present times BMW give you standard fake leather in their 3 and Acura give you real perforated Milano leather in their TL...even the lowly TSX has real leather.....end of discussion.
P.S.
Some old BMW loyalist are pissed at the standard fake leather thing...is becoming a bit of an issue....
At the present times BMW give you standard fake leather in their 3 and Acura give you real perforated Milano leather in their TL...even the lowly TSX has real leather.....end of discussion.
P.S.
Some old BMW loyalist are pissed at the standard fake leather thing...is becoming a bit of an issue....
If you don't want to pay extra for leather.....go buy another car.
If you want a BMW with leather....go buy it.
Pretty simple.
11-09-2010, 04:59 PM
#1541
They are behind. Behind big. Any one thats making excuses for them is nothing more than a fan boy.
11-09-2010, 04:59 PM
#1542
The sizzle in the Steak
11-09-2010, 04:59 PM
#1543
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
11-09-2010, 05:01 PM
#1544
I agree...then do not talk about higher quality material...BMW is in cost cutting mode like anybody else....do not look for fantasy superior craftmanship...simple...
11-09-2010, 05:01 PM
#1545
Senior Moderator
The biggest complaint overall by most here is the lack of RWD drivetrain and V8 engine in the Acura and Honda fleet. Honestly, that has nothing to do with "advancement" IMO per se. But, it is the going trend in the market...and in that regard, Acura/Honda is very behind.
And with that, I do quite agree.
11-09-2010, 05:02 PM
#1546
Senior Moderator
11-09-2010, 05:02 PM
#1547
Senior Moderator
11-09-2010, 05:05 PM
#1548
The sizzle in the Steak
11-09-2010, 05:05 PM
#1549
11-09-2010, 05:05 PM
#1550
AZ Community Team
IMO, the 3G TL was below the previous gen A4 for quality of materials but the latest gen A4 lowered their standards and the 4G TL raised theirs so both are about equal. Always felt my 3G TL was about the same as a 3 serie's in terms of materials and fit/finish.
11-09-2010, 05:07 PM
#1551
Senior Moderator
11-09-2010, 05:14 PM
#1552
Well you can't please everybody and I sincerely hope that they don't try to. You've outgrown the brand, and that's fine. Acura needs to work on insuring that the next generation of young buyers 'lust' for the brand like the previous ones did for the Integra. This aspect is sorely missing right now.
11-09-2010, 05:15 PM
#1553
The sizzle in the Steak
The beak and lust do not go hand in hand.
11-09-2010, 05:27 PM
#1554
I like the beak on the MDX the refreshed MDX looks a lot better than the old one, IMO.
Sadly this doesn't apply on many of the other Acura models.
the refreshed MDX looks a lot better than the old one, IMO.Sadly this doesn't apply on many of the other Acura models.
11-09-2010, 05:30 PM
#1555
Senior Moderator
Well you can't please everybody and I sincerely hope that they don't try to. You've outgrown the brand, and that's fine. Acura needs to work on insuring that the next generation of young buyers 'lust' for the brand like the previous ones did for the Integra. This aspect is sorely missing right now.
That's what a halo car can do! But, kinda hard to do that if none exist and most are family-oriented.
11-09-2010, 05:34 PM
#1556
The sizzle in the Steak
And that's the rub...And tough without a halo car too. In some aspects, when I was young, my thought were: "Yeah! I hope to one day get a car from the company that makes the Honda NSX!"
That's what a halo car can do! But, kinda hard to do that if none exist and most are family-oriented.
That's what a halo car can do! But, kinda hard to do that if none exist and most are family-oriented.
Don't be alarmed it's only natural. Go with it!
11-09-2010, 05:37 PM
#1557
My first Avatar....
YOU are talking about ugliness, yet you own a 4G TL??? 
screwy:
11-09-2010, 05:43 PM
#1558
Okay...let's level that comment a bit. From a tech perspective, I suppose the TL has some nifty stuff in the interior.
The biggest complaint overall by most here is the lack of RWD drivetrain and V8 engine in the Acura and Honda fleet. Honestly, that has nothing to do with "advancement" IMO per se. But, it is the going trend in the market...and in that regard, Acura/Honda is very behind.
And with that, I do quite agree.
The biggest complaint overall by most here is the lack of RWD drivetrain and V8 engine in the Acura and Honda fleet. Honestly, that has nothing to do with "advancement" IMO per se. But, it is the going trend in the market...and in that regard, Acura/Honda is very behind.
And with that, I do quite agree.
I do not want to pass necessarily as an Acura apologist...in the current situation they should kill the RL..that car has no reason to exist at the moment (it still outsell more than 2:1 the Audi A8
)...and the TSX needs a more exciting exterior revamp, a SH-AWD trim and maybe a turbocharged engine pronto...the "FWD only" option hurt that car in its market space (but it still sells almost as much as the A4!!!).......I really do not understand what Honda/Acura is waiting for....
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11-09-2010, 05:44 PM
#1559
AZ Community Team
11-09-2010, 06:05 PM
#1560