Honda: Civic News
11-29-2012, 04:42 PM
#3001
Honda Fanboy
I know it's hard for retards like yourself to comprehend language, but if you read my original post, one word at a time, you will see that I said the interior DESIGN was never the biggest complaint. It was the materials that everyone bitched about, which have largely been fixed now.
11-29-2012, 04:49 PM
#3002
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Wow. You're as retarded as they come.
I know it's hard for retards like yourself to comprehend language, but if you read my original post, one word at a time, you will see that I said the interior DESIGN was never the biggest complaint. It was the materials that everyone bitched about, which have largely been fixed now.
I know it's hard for retards like yourself to comprehend language, but if you read my original post, one word at a time, you will see that I said the interior DESIGN was never the biggest complaint. It was the materials that everyone bitched about, which have largely been fixed now.
11-29-2012, 04:54 PM
#3003
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When I had the 2012 as a rental car my biggest complaint with it was the interior trim, cardboard headliner, and bland exterior styling. It is nice to see that Honda addressed those issues as they were really the only things I didn't like about it. The 2012 drove great just like the 8th gen but the quality was big let down. A full car redesign is supposed to make the car better than the predecessor in every way and Honda didn't accomplish that with the 2012.
11-29-2012, 05:59 PM
#3006
Originally Posted by VTEC Racer
Well the interior design hasn't changed much, but that was never a legitimate compliant from anyone.
11-29-2012, 06:30 PM
#3007
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More pics here -
Sedan: http://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2013-civic_sedan/
Coupe: http://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2013-civic_coupe/
Sedan: http://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2013-civic_sedan/
Coupe: http://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2013-civic_coupe/
11-29-2012, 06:33 PM
#3008
Honda Fanboy
I feel so honored to always have my posts dissected. No, it's not personal at all.
By legitimate or biggest complaint, I meant that the actual design of the interior wasn't something that was complained about in many reviews or by a large number of people on here. There will always be a complaint about something, but the actual design wasn't a complaint that was emanating from the automotive world like the complaints about the actual interior materials were.
I hope that's clear enough for you to understand.
By legitimate or biggest complaint, I meant that the actual design of the interior wasn't something that was complained about in many reviews or by a large number of people on here. There will always be a complaint about something, but the actual design wasn't a complaint that was emanating from the automotive world like the complaints about the actual interior materials were.
I hope that's clear enough for you to understand.
11-30-2012, 04:35 AM
#3010
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How much of a steaming pile of shit was the prior '12 model? No, not the one that was produced, remember Honda delayed this generation and defaulted it for a '12 MY release so they could re-engineer it to better compete with Hyundai and the like. How bad was it...
11-30-2012, 07:28 AM
#3012
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Less than 2 years after the latest Civic redesign, here comes another 1, so extensively changed that some automakers would be tempted to call it "all new."
It's not, nor are a lot of cars that are so labeled, but in this 1 there are a fantastic number of changes for the better. The overhaul is extensive enough to make a mockery of the acronym Honda uses for midcycle updates: MMC (minor model change).
Honda says it began working on the updates even before the 2012 hit the market 19 months ago, because it was evident that rivals were moving faster.
"Our industry has never been as fast-changing," says Art St. Cyr, Honda's vice president of product planning.
It's mere coincidence, Honda says, that the 2013 Civic updates should also quell the griping that the 2012 triggered from the rollout for a cheap-looking interior, clunky road behavior, styling that many have found unexciting and a generally behind-the-curve persona.
Not that buyers have been insufficiently satisfied by the 2012 Civic. Sales are zooming vs. last year, though it's partly because there was a shortage then, and there isn't 1 now.
When Honda unwrapped the 2013 Civic Thursday at the Los Angeles Auto Show (and simultaneously put it on sale), the company put an upbeat face on the fast refresh. In Honda's view, launching a car with so many changes in "just 1 model year" should be considered admirable "speed to market."
But the situation feels unpleasantly more like the tech industry, were new products are put onto the market before they are ready, then updated in response to protest, leaving early adopters -- often a brand's most-loyal buyers -- with lesser products.
Honda is in a ticklish spot: What does it say to the 200,000-some people who bought the "old" new 2012 Civic, now that the "new" new 2013 Civic is so much better? "Oops," seems insufficient.
Owners of 2012 Civics will take a big hit on depreciation if they try to unload theirs soon, says Larry Dominique, president of ALG, which calculates depreciation.
Making the 2013 Civic better:
• More sound-deadening, including noise-reducing pads and thicker windshield and front window glass.
• A stiffer chassis for better handling and road feel, and more-responsive steering. Included is a new crash structure to improve safety ratings in the new partial-offset front collision tests.
• Nicer plastic and fabric inside, with more soft-touch materials, more attractive detailing and more metal accents.
• More standard features, including a backup camera on all models and an array of new infotainment features.
• Enough styling changes — hood and trunk lid in addition to the normal grille and light updates, adding about 2 inches in length overall — to send the factory guys to the bar across the street, muttering about "who's gonna pay for all this?"
• A stiffer chassis for better handling and road feel, and more-responsive steering. Included is a new crash structure to improve safety ratings in the new partial-offset front collision tests.
• Nicer plastic and fabric inside, with more soft-touch materials, more attractive detailing and more metal accents.
• More standard features, including a backup camera on all models and an array of new infotainment features.
• Enough styling changes — hood and trunk lid in addition to the normal grille and light updates, adding about 2 inches in length overall — to send the factory guys to the bar across the street, muttering about "who's gonna pay for all this?"
The bill for the work is a weight boost of some 50 to 90 pounds, depending on model, and a price boost of $160 on each model. Modest for all the improvements.
And, boy, are they improvements.
Changes are noted immediately. The car looks snappier, is quieter from the moment you turn the key, feels firmer and more agile, and has the mantle of classiness the predecessor lacked.
Interior changes that might sound inconsequential add up to a big deal. Simply deepening the grain in dash and door padding makes it look more like leather and less like hard plastic. Not only do things inside feel nicer to touch, they are nicer to view.
Seats are comfortable (not always true of Hondas) and back seat legroom will handle most adults.
The recalibrated steering is a joy, avoiding the 2 common sins: so responsive it's twitchy, or so power-assisted that it's numb.
The driver information display tries for the same 3-D effect it always has sought, and does a fair job. Instrument lighting, unchanged, varies colors to suggest how eco-sensitive your driving is.
The main driver display is neither harder nor easier to read at a glance than more conventional gauges.
Unchanged: Drivetrains, trunk and passenger space, gas tank size.
Result: Civic's now a car that's fun to drive, not one that's just OK. It feels as if it's a credible contender for best compact. The 2012 felt more like a ho-hum contender for that title.
Details:
• What? Fast update of Honda's front-drive compact sedan after just 19 months to catch up with market.
• When? Gasoline-engine sedan went on sale Thursday, simultaneous with unveiling at Los Angeles Auto Show. Other models due soon.
• Where? Made at Greensburg, Ind., and Alliston, Ontario.
• How much? All models start $160 more than 2012s. Base sedan starts at $18,955 with $790 shipping; coupe starts $18,755.
On-sale dates of other 2013 Civics, and their base prices, including $790 shipping:• When? Gasoline-engine sedan went on sale Thursday, simultaneous with unveiling at Los Angeles Auto Show. Other models due soon.
• Where? Made at Greensburg, Ind., and Alliston, Ontario.
• How much? All models start $160 more than 2012s. Base sedan starts at $18,955 with $790 shipping; coupe starts $18,755.
Coupe — Dec. 5, $18,755.
Natural gas sedan — Dec. 10, $27,255.
Si high-performance coupe — Dec. 12, $23,305.
Hybrid sedan and Si sedan — Jan. 23, $25,150 and $23,505.
HF high-fuel-efficiency sedan — Feb. 6, $20,555.
Natural gas sedan — Dec. 10, $27,255.
Si high-performance coupe — Dec. 12, $23,305.
Hybrid sedan and Si sedan — Jan. 23, $25,150 and $23,505.
HF high-fuel-efficiency sedan — Feb. 6, $20,555.
• What makes it go? Most models use 1.8-liter 4-cylinder gasoline engine rated 140 horsepower at 6,500 rpm, 128 pounds-feet of torque at 4,300 rpm; 5-speed manual or 5-speed automatic. Si performance models use 2.4-liter rated 201 hp, 170 lbs. ft.
• How big? Gasoline sedan, the most popular model, is 179.4 inches long, 69 in. wide, 56.5 in. tall, on a 105.1 in. wheelbase. Coupe slightly smaller.
Gasoline sedans weigh 2,740 to 2,877 lbs. Coupes, 2,716 to 2,868 lbs. Trunk: 12. 5 cubic feet, sedan; 11.7 cu. ft., coupe. Hybrid sedan weighs 2,868 to 2,879 lbs. Trunk is 10.7 cu. ft.
• How thirsty? Most models with 1.8-liter engine rated 28 mpg in the city, 39 highway, 32 in mixed driving. Hybrid: 44/44/44.
Test car with 1.8 liter, automatic transmission registered 26.2 mpg (3.82 gallons per 100 miles).
Burns regular, holds 13.2 gallons.
• Overall: Big improvement, but why not at 2012 launch 19 months ago?
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11-30-2012, 10:06 AM
#3013
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Hey boys...I suppose we need to make this a periodical reminder in here but, can we please knock off with the personal attacks?
I know some opinions stated here are not popular or shared with other enthusiasts...but, regardless of how you feel about it, you can still disagree in a civil manner.
Cool?
Okay. Cool.
11-30-2012, 02:03 PM
#3014
Honda Fanboy
Re-engineered in this case means cheapened to be lower in price, and closer to cars like the Elantra. Honda was expecting the recession to last much longer and get worse. If the car was never re-engineered, we would have originally had a better quality 2012 Civic.
11-30-2012, 03:25 PM
#3015
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Source?
11-30-2012, 04:47 PM
#3016
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Did you just make all that up on your own?
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11-30-2012, 05:27 PM
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Saw it at the auto show...meh.
Interior design still sucks.
Though they did all black for the Si seats instead of the wretched GTI rip off design.
And the new dash are much nicer. Shame the actual design still looks 80's in nature.
Interior design still sucks.
Though they did all black for the Si seats instead of the wretched GTI rip off design.
And the new dash are much nicer. Shame the actual design still looks 80's in nature.
11-30-2012, 06:16 PM
#3018
I'm with all those people who want to know exactly how "horrible" the previous 2012 Civic was before warranting a complete redesign and the subsequent production delay.
11-30-2012, 06:20 PM
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And for the Si....they tried to rip off the GTI "plaid" seating and ended up with this nasty horrible looking fabric.
One of my friends opted to buyout his 09 Si lease...he was so not happy with the 2012.
11-30-2012, 08:58 PM
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11-30-2012, 10:30 PM
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12-02-2012, 11:07 PM
#3023
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Got a source, dude? Or is this your theory?
12-02-2012, 11:36 PM
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12-03-2012, 12:02 PM
#3025
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Didn't know they were out already.
But i saw one on the FWY yesterday. It looked bigger, i first thought it was an Accord but the taillight were smoked around the edge. Then i realized it was the new Civic (Civic badge on the truck lid was HUGE)
Front has a smiley face
Overall, a much better looking car than 2012.. MUCH!
But i hate the chrome trim on the bottom of the front bumper, it reminds me of
But i saw one on the FWY yesterday. It looked bigger, i first thought it was an Accord but the taillight were smoked around the edge. Then i realized it was the new Civic (Civic badge on the truck lid was HUGE)
Front has a smiley face
Overall, a much better looking car than 2012.. MUCH!
But i hate the chrome trim on the bottom of the front bumper, it reminds me of
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12-03-2012, 01:39 PM
#3026
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Looks like a winner this time around.
12-03-2012, 02:54 PM
#3027
Didn't know they were out already.
But i saw one on the FWY yesterday. It looked bigger, i first thought it was an Accord but the taillight were smoked around the edge. Then i realized it was the new Civic (Civic badge on the truck lid was HUGE)
Front has a smiley face
Overall, a much better looking car than 2012.. MUCH!
But i hate the chrome trim on the bottom of the front bumper, it reminds me of
But i saw one on the FWY yesterday. It looked bigger, i first thought it was an Accord but the taillight were smoked around the edge. Then i realized it was the new Civic (Civic badge on the truck lid was HUGE)
Front has a smiley face
Overall, a much better looking car than 2012.. MUCH!
But i hate the chrome trim on the bottom of the front bumper, it reminds me of
12-03-2012, 09:52 PM
#3028
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I think it looks way better, but I'm hoping that Honda moves the civic back to more classically proportioned silhouette. If they can turn the Civic into something like the ILX, there's still hope after all. I don't like the whole space ship looking cab way-forward design. And hoping the Accord's projector lens-across-all-models trickle down in the Civic as well.
12-03-2012, 10:00 PM
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The Highlander has it, but its big enough inside that I dont notice it in there.
But it really makes me happy I dont have one in my Challenger...and the Prius didnt have it...and I dont really miss them either. I never have it open on the highlander.
12-03-2012, 10:56 PM
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Thicker roofs, higher hip heights (taller seats) thanks to taller doors equals a lack of headroom.
12-03-2012, 11:25 PM
#3031
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I get in cars with moon roofs now and I totally notice the lack of space created by it. And I'm only 5'8".
The Highlander has it, but its big enough inside that I dont notice it in there.
But it really makes me happy I dont have one in my Challenger...and the Prius didnt have it...and I dont really miss them either. I never have it open on the highlander.
The Highlander has it, but its big enough inside that I dont notice it in there.
But it really makes me happy I dont have one in my Challenger...and the Prius didnt have it...and I dont really miss them either. I never have it open on the highlander.
12-03-2012, 11:44 PM
#3032
I don't get it either. For the longest time I wanted a moonroof, bought a car with a moonroof, and I don't even use it 98% of the time. I figured I would use it during the summer time by driving with the windows down to save on gas by not using the A/C, then I just said eff it and used AC all summer long.
12-03-2012, 11:53 PM
#3033
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Man I want a panoramic roof on my next car 
12-04-2012, 01:26 AM
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I got a damn convertible.
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12-04-2012, 01:28 AM
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Ive enjoyed the verts I've driven...but really, I cant take the sun bearing down on my noodle...and I dont really like wearing hats all the time.
12-04-2012, 04:09 PM
#3036
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I like the revised external styling, wish they could have done more with the center stack-up for the stereo and climate control. I prefer the previous gen, cleaner and more logical.
12-04-2012, 04:23 PM
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12-04-2012, 06:28 PM
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Still.. sunblock only goes so far. I was a lobster after my 'tour' of the northwest over the summer.
12-05-2012, 03:23 PM
#3039
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Even without the public being alerted by this, anyone with half a brain could have figured it out by reading between the lines of all the articles that discussed the 2012 delay. The car was also supposed to be noticeably larger in order to shrink the gap between the Civic and huge Accord.
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12-05-2012, 05:32 PM
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Yep. Thank you. Most companies don't publicly disclose that they have delayed a product to make it cheaper.
Even without the public being alerted by this, anyone with half a brain could have figured it out by reading between the lines of all the articles that discussed the 2012 delay. The car was also supposed to be noticeably larger in order to shrink the gap between the Civic and huge Accord.
Even without the public being alerted by this, anyone with half a brain could have figured it out by reading between the lines of all the articles that discussed the 2012 delay. The car was also supposed to be noticeably larger in order to shrink the gap between the Civic and huge Accord.
Ken phrased it just fine, he is a Honda fan and does not get on anyone's nerves. Do you ever wonder why?
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