Honda: Civic News
05-18-2010, 09:33 PM
#1401
hail to the victors
please.It's a legitimate question.
delaying the launch shortly after strong showing by Hyundai and Ford and after how TC and Avalon getting murdered in the design world because of their half-a$$ed design?
Design is a subjective matter, but Hyundai is making huge noise in design right now. Sonata is the living proof. and Hyundai hit another home run in Elantra. Many say it looks even better than Sonata. it destroys current Elantra which is probably the most boring car on the road.
Civic needs to look great. it can't be polarizing. I'm glad Honda is taking time with the civic. Elantra won't be here until next year, so timing is perfect.
05-18-2010, 09:43 PM
#1402
אני עומד עם ישראל
What are Elantra sales compared to the Civic? Anyway, Honda better get this right.
05-18-2010, 09:50 PM
#1403
hail to the victors
Hyundai sells about 100k Elantras. Elantra never threatened Civic before. hyundai used to sell about 120k sonatas. but they are on pace to sell over 200k sonata without coupe/turbo/hybrid.
My suggestion to Honda
1. don't make it bigger. keep the size similar.
2. don't go 'spaceship' interior theme.
and please don't do anything like this. please don't follow CRZ.
Last edited by chungkopi; 05-18-2010 at 09:53 PM.
05-18-2010, 10:59 PM
#1404
It's a legitimate question.
delaying the launch shortly after strong showing by Hyundai and Ford and after how TC and Avalon getting murdered in the design world because of their half-a$$ed design?
Design is a subjective matter, but Hyundai is making huge noise in design right now. Sonata is the living proof. and Hyundai hit another home run in Elantra. Many say it looks even better than Sonata. it destroys current Elantra which is probably the most boring car on the road.
Civic needs to look great. it can't be polarizing. I'm glad Honda is taking time with the civic. Elantra won't be here until next year, so timing is perfect.
delaying the launch shortly after strong showing by Hyundai and Ford and after how TC and Avalon getting murdered in the design world because of their half-a$$ed design?
Design is a subjective matter, but Hyundai is making huge noise in design right now. Sonata is the living proof. and Hyundai hit another home run in Elantra. Many say it looks even better than Sonata. it destroys current Elantra which is probably the most boring car on the road.
Civic needs to look great. it can't be polarizing. I'm glad Honda is taking time with the civic. Elantra won't be here until next year, so timing is perfect.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...-Civic/244364/
Radical redesign for Honda Civic
27 October 2009
The next generation Honda Civic will be smaller, lighter and more fuel efficient than was originally planned, the company's chief of automotive operations has said.
However, the radical changes could delay the new car's launch, which was expected in late 2010. The Civic is crucial to Honda's line-up as its platform forms the basis for the CR-V, FR-V and Japan's Stream minivan.
the CR-V and Element, Japan's Stream small minivan and Europe's FR-V.
Speaking to Automotive News, Honda's Tsuneo Tanai said that Honda planned to downsize its next Civic platform, based on its own analysis of rising oil, steel and aluminum prices.
Radical redesign for Honda Civic
27 October 2009
The next generation Honda Civic will be smaller, lighter and more fuel efficient than was originally planned, the company's chief of automotive operations has said.
However, the radical changes could delay the new car's launch, which was expected in late 2010. The Civic is crucial to Honda's line-up as its platform forms the basis for the CR-V, FR-V and Japan's Stream minivan.
the CR-V and Element, Japan's Stream small minivan and Europe's FR-V.
Speaking to Automotive News, Honda's Tsuneo Tanai said that Honda planned to downsize its next Civic platform, based on its own analysis of rising oil, steel and aluminum prices.
Last edited by SSFTSX; 05-18-2010 at 11:02 PM.
05-18-2010, 11:51 PM
#1405
hail to the victors
more suggestion:
1. go back to an analog speedometer. I liked the digital on both of my civic ls and si at first, but you really get sick of it after year or two.
2. no more small triangular front-quarter windows. my least favorite part of the design. it's very awkward.
3. make hybrid different. Follow Hyundai's direction. Hybrid must look different IMO.
delaying the launch is no big deal because current gen still looks good and the new kids on the block aren't here yet. just don't screw it up like some of recent honda/acuras.
1. go back to an analog speedometer. I liked the digital on both of my civic ls and si at first, but you really get sick of it after year or two.
2. no more small triangular front-quarter windows. my least favorite part of the design. it's very awkward.
3. make hybrid different. Follow Hyundai's direction. Hybrid must look different IMO.
delaying the launch is no big deal because current gen still looks good and the new kids on the block aren't here yet. just don't screw it up like some of recent honda/acuras.
05-18-2010, 11:51 PM
#1406
I drive a Subata.
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^^ the last one looks super hawt.
05-19-2010, 12:11 AM
#1407
hail to the victors
Of course they care. They aren't blind.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/04/h...ai-is-awesome/
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...304269942/1273
by the time new civic arrives, Hyundai will have 4-5 bench marks in the industry. if they don't, they better care.
05-19-2010, 12:20 AM
#1408
05-19-2010, 12:24 AM
#1409
At least it doesn't have have the "jellybean" shape; besides the photos don't do the lines justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tohBE...eature=related
OK - you go on believing that the new Ford Focus and the recently revealed upcoming Elantra have nothing to do w/ Honda delaying their normal course of action... lol
Toyoda just recently stated that Toyota has to step up its game when it comes to the next Camry (and it's not in reaction to the Accord).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tohBE...eature=related
Toyoda just recently stated that Toyota has to step up its game when it comes to the next Camry (and it's not in reaction to the Accord).
Last edited by YEH; 05-19-2010 at 12:29 AM.
05-19-2010, 01:36 AM
#1410
hail to the victors
that above is a design master piece. It looks devilish and sexy. it's a perfect execution of their new design theme.
Honda needs to bring their A game. I'm curious to see their next move. will they change the design radically? or will they just make an improvement on already good looking civic?
Honda needs to bring their A game. I'm curious to see their next move. will they change the design radically? or will they just make an improvement on already good looking civic?
Last edited by chungkopi; 05-19-2010 at 01:38 AM.
05-19-2010, 01:51 AM
#1411
hail to the victors
sorry if this pic is a repost. and between CRZ grill or this, i'll take this in a heart beat. just don't make it humongous like crosstour.
i guess i don't mind Honda improving the current gen and don't take a big risk. I'm not too confident in Honda designers lately anyway. maybe it's better to just make a better current gen. civic will always sell if it isn't ugly.
i guess i don't mind Honda improving the current gen and don't take a big risk. I'm not too confident in Honda designers lately anyway. maybe it's better to just make a better current gen. civic will always sell if it isn't ugly.
05-19-2010, 10:30 AM
#1413
The sizzle in the Steak
It's a legitimate question.
delaying the launch shortly after strong showing by Hyundai and Ford and after how TC and Avalon getting murdered in the design world because of their half-a$$ed design?
Design is a subjective matter, but Hyundai is making huge noise in design right now. Sonata is the living proof. and Hyundai hit another home run in Elantra. Many say it looks even better than Sonata. it destroys current Elantra which is probably the most boring car on the road.
Civic needs to look great. it can't be polarizing. I'm glad Honda is taking time with the civic. Elantra won't be here until next year, so timing is perfect.
delaying the launch shortly after strong showing by Hyundai and Ford and after how TC and Avalon getting murdered in the design world because of their half-a$$ed design?
Design is a subjective matter, but Hyundai is making huge noise in design right now. Sonata is the living proof. and Hyundai hit another home run in Elantra. Many say it looks even better than Sonata. it destroys current Elantra which is probably the most boring car on the road.
Civic needs to look great. it can't be polarizing. I'm glad Honda is taking time with the civic. Elantra won't be here until next year, so timing is perfect.
You can't be serious.The Fiesta design has been around for a long time, and it's not as if Honda just saw the Elantra a month ago.
To presume Ford and Hyundai exterior designs are the reason Honda is holding back on the Civic is nonsense.
05-19-2010, 10:41 AM
#1414
^ It's not just the exterior design, but the whole package.
Besides, who's talking about the Fiesta? It's the Euro-sourced Focus that is what Honda is worried about?
Also, unless Honda has awfully good auto snoops, the design of the new Elantra was under wraps until it debuted at the Busan Auto show a month ago.
Besides, who's talking about the Fiesta? It's the Euro-sourced Focus that is what Honda is worried about?
Also, unless Honda has awfully good auto snoops, the design of the new Elantra was under wraps until it debuted at the Busan Auto show a month ago.
05-19-2010, 11:53 AM
#1415
hail to the victors
it's a fact that Sonata's styling advantage was brought up in every single midsize related comparisons in the U.S and outside of the U.S. Sonata is now considered as a design leader in its segment by these publications. I'm sure Honda is aware of that. and they know they took some beatings on crosstour, ZDX, accord(to some extent), Insight and CRZ. Even if they don't admit it, it shows up on monthly sales. They know the public reaction on their recent cars were less than satisfying. .
and the new Elantra shows up looking even better than Sonata. Why wouldn't they worry? It's not too ridiculous to think that maybe Honda is going back to the drawing board. Accord used to outsell Sonata 5 to 1 not too long ago. just think about that. Sonata quickly became #3 seller in its segment without any help of turbo/hybrid/coupe.
Fortunately, Civic is a perennial top seller and people will buy accord and civic no matter what. I've owned 3 Civics because it was the best looking in its segment. i loved my Civics. and current civic is still in style IMO. so they can take some time off and go back to the drawing board. I think it's a very wise decision.
Last edited by chungkopi; 05-19-2010 at 11:58 AM.
05-19-2010, 12:15 PM
#1416
The sizzle in the Steak
^ It's not just the exterior design, but the whole package.
Besides, who's talking about the Fiesta? It's the Euro-sourced Focus that is what Honda is worried about?
Also, unless Honda has awfully good auto snoops, the design of the new Elantra was under wraps until it debuted at the Busan Auto show a month ago.
Besides, who's talking about the Fiesta? It's the Euro-sourced Focus that is what Honda is worried about?
Also, unless Honda has awfully good auto snoops, the design of the new Elantra was under wraps until it debuted at the Busan Auto show a month ago.
05-19-2010, 12:19 PM
#1417
The sizzle in the Steak
it's a fact that Sonata's styling advantage was brought up in every single midsize related comparisons in the U.S and outside of the U.S. Sonata is now considered as a design leader in its segment by these publications. I'm sure Honda is aware of that. and they know they took some beatings on crosstour, ZDX, accord(to some extent), Insight and CRZ. Even if they don't admit it, it shows up on monthly sales. They know the public reaction on their recent cars were less than satisfying. .
and the new Elantra shows up looking even better than Sonata. Why wouldn't they worry? It's not too ridiculous to think that maybe Honda is going back to the drawing board. Accord used to outsell Sonata 5 to 1 not too long ago. just think about that. Sonata quickly became #3 seller in its segment without any help of turbo/hybrid/coupe.
Fortunately, Civic is a perennial top seller and people will buy accord and civic no matter what. I've owned 3 Civics because it was the best looking in its segment. i loved my Civics. and current civic is still in style IMO. so they can take some time off and go back to the drawing board. I think it's a very wise decision.
and the new Elantra shows up looking even better than Sonata. Why wouldn't they worry? It's not too ridiculous to think that maybe Honda is going back to the drawing board. Accord used to outsell Sonata 5 to 1 not too long ago. just think about that. Sonata quickly became #3 seller in its segment without any help of turbo/hybrid/coupe.
Fortunately, Civic is a perennial top seller and people will buy accord and civic no matter what. I've owned 3 Civics because it was the best looking in its segment. i loved my Civics. and current civic is still in style IMO. so they can take some time off and go back to the drawing board. I think it's a very wise decision.
Honda has a lot more concerns than just Hyundai.
I don't really care why Honda is going back and revising the Civic.
Point is that the Civic needs to play catch-up with everyone in the segment.
...but to think it's soley because of Hyundai is laughable.
05-19-2010, 12:37 PM
#1418
I drive a Subata.
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Moog.
Just ignore him.
You are talking to a person who can't take others opinion.
Just ignore for the sake of this thread.
Just ignore him.
You are talking to a person who can't take others opinion.
Just ignore for the sake of this thread.
05-19-2010, 12:44 PM
#1419
The sizzle in the Steak
05-19-2010, 12:47 PM
#1420
I drive a Subata.
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pshhhh cougars won't bite on hyundai
alright, i'll shut up now.
alright, i'll shut up now.
05-19-2010, 01:09 PM
#1421
fap fap fap
05-19-2010, 01:33 PM
#1423
Senior Moderator
Whatever engine they put in there, I think its time to move past 200HP. A similar sized Honda engine has been there since 1997 now. (Type R, Prelude) Its time to move up. IMO, its gotta have somewhere in the neighborhood of 225-250 but I seriously doubt it will.
05-19-2010, 01:55 PM
#1424
Senior Moderator
well well ... http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=899102
05-19-2010, 02:02 PM
#1425
Suzuka Master
What publications inside and outside the U.S.?
Honda has a lot more concerns than just Hyundai.
I don't really care why Honda is going back and revising the Civic.
Point is that the Civic needs to play catch-up with everyone in the segment.
...but to think it's soley because of Hyundai is laughable.
Honda has a lot more concerns than just Hyundai.
I don't really care why Honda is going back and revising the Civic.
Point is that the Civic needs to play catch-up with everyone in the segment.
...but to think it's soley because of Hyundai is laughable.
Agree, Honda should be worried about Hyundai but not soely Hyundai, if that's what he was going on about. I think the civic needs a total redesign and IMO this gen civic is not a looker. Honda still has, and will always be worried about Toyota the most IMO, right up until some other car company comes right up their ass. IIRC toyota despite their recall is stilling doing pretty good (right? I may be wrong on this). But Hyundai is still pretty far from Honda and Toyota, although I would say give or take 4-5 years they will be pretty huge in the American Market. I think honda needs to step up their game, in most comparos they do not do to well, for the civic that is. The accord is a different story.
05-19-2010, 02:07 PM
#1426
Time to go FI. Go with smaller FI engines for economy, and build stronger 2.0 blocks for performance FI, for the next Si. The 1999 Si was a great choice because it was a good value, fun and its performance was decent enough to keep up with most of the competition. Now, you have the GTI, MS3, WRX, CSS, SRT-4, Ralliart, SE-R and anything else I missed. Honda better bring their A-game if they wanna stay with a N/A Si powerplant.
05-19-2010, 02:12 PM
#1427
hail to the victors
What publications inside and outside the U.S.?
Honda has a lot more concerns than just Hyundai.
I don't really care why Honda is going back and revising the Civic.
Point is that the Civic needs to play catch-up with everyone in the segment.
...but to think it's soley because of Hyundai is laughable.
Honda has a lot more concerns than just Hyundai.
I don't really care why Honda is going back and revising the Civic.
Point is that the Civic needs to play catch-up with everyone in the segment.
...but to think it's soley because of Hyundai is laughable.
I also brought up Focus as well. and where have you been for last 3 months?
from U.S
Auto Week
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs...1&_blg=1,1742- - - - - 901
Car Connection:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/revi...hyundai-sonata
Car and Driver:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ord_ex_vs._20- - - - - 11_hyundai_sonata_se_2010_subaru_legacy_2.5i-comparison_tests/2011_hyundai_sonat- - - - - a_se_page_4
Motor Trend:
http://motortrend.automotive.com/132...a-se-test/ind- - - - - ex.html
Consumer Reports:
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/car...irst-review.h- - - - - tml
Automobile Magazine:
http://automobile.automotive.com/134...sign-analysis- - - - - /index.html
Cars.com:
http://www.cars.com/hyundai/sonata/2011/reviews/
http://www.cars.com/hyundai/sonata/2...&revlogtype=19
Marketwatch:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/201...y-accord-2010- - - - - -02-27
About.com
http://cars.about.com/od/hyundai/fr/11_sonata.htm
Edmunds.com
http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/so...ls-vs-2010-ho- - - - - nda-accord-vs-2010-mazda-6-i-touring-comparison-test.html
Automobile.com
http://www.automobile.com/2011-hyund...fety-pick.html
Road & Track
http://buyersguide.roadandtrack.com/...hyundai-sonata
Edmunds "inside line"
http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/so...ull-test.html- - - - -
Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...849350.html?m- - - - - od=rss_Today's_Most_Popular
Automobile.com
http://www.automobile.com/2011-hyund...ta-review.html
Autobytel
http://www.autobytel.com/content/sha...m/article_id_- - - - - int/8261
Automotive News
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...IL03/303229935
Consumerguide
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...dai-sonata.htm
USA today
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...shootout_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...i-sonata_N.htm
Wallstreet Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...563849350.html
Sonata isn't a perfect car, but it sure is making a huge statement. every one of them mentions sonata's 'styling' it will battle for car of the year with Regal and Mustang.
Elantra will do exactly the same. Honda has every reason to worry about the new elantra. It's a great decision not to rush the process.
Last edited by chungkopi; 05-19-2010 at 02:14 PM.
05-19-2010, 02:39 PM
#1429
hail to the victors
I also mentioned Focus. 
and i really do believe 'styling' is the biggest reason. Everything else will be fine for civic. Civic already is fuel efficient and it has a great comfy ride.
and ignore me if you guys don't like my posts. I'm only telling the truth. Sure Honda worries about many other brands, but it's no secret that Hyundai has been the biggest surprise in last 2 years. Honda knows what they are up against. It's not going to be easy. They have to take time and make sure they bring out the new bench mark in Civic.
and i really do believe 'styling' is the biggest reason. Everything else will be fine for civic. Civic already is fuel efficient and it has a great comfy ride. and ignore me if you guys don't like my posts. I'm only telling the truth. Sure Honda worries about many other brands, but it's no secret that Hyundai has been the biggest surprise in last 2 years. Honda knows what they are up against. It's not going to be easy. They have to take time and make sure they bring out the new bench mark in Civic.
Last edited by chungkopi; 05-19-2010 at 02:43 PM.
05-19-2010, 02:44 PM
#1430
Senior Moderator
I think Honda's more worried about where the market's headed (MPG, Size etc) than they are about Hyundai. Not to say they aren't paying attention to Hyundai, everyone is. But I don't think its driving their decisions.
05-19-2010, 02:46 PM
#1431
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ and there you have it...in the end you went back to being a Hyundai fanboi.
It all comes out in the wash.
It all comes out in the wash.
05-19-2010, 03:26 PM
#1433
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ Yea you Honda fanboi!!! 
05-19-2010, 03:45 PM
#1434
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Honda should start investing in turbocharging or supercharging. Instead of a large displacement (2.2L+) follow GM and Ford's lead on doing forced induction.
A turbo 1.8 could easily yield 180 hp/180 lb-ft without even trying and the crappiest intercooler you've ever heard of (ahem, K23).
And the Si needs a new K23 with modern technology, not the throwback tech they have on the current one with its shoddy fuel guzzling nature.
A turbo 1.8 could easily yield 180 hp/180 lb-ft without even trying and the crappiest intercooler you've ever heard of (ahem, K23).
And the Si needs a new K23 with modern technology, not the throwback tech they have on the current one with its shoddy fuel guzzling nature.
05-19-2010, 09:17 PM
#1435
Of course they care. They aren't blind.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/04/h...ai-is-awesome/
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...304269942/1273
by the time new civic arrives, Hyundai will have 4-5 bench marks in the industry. if they don't, they better care.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/04/h...ai-is-awesome/
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...304269942/1273
by the time new civic arrives, Hyundai will have 4-5 bench marks in the industry. if they don't, they better care.
remember the more product you introduce in different markets, the more R&D and dealer expenditure and the at end companies quality and profit drops.
There is not a single road test where Sonata beats Accord in NVH, rear seat legroom, comfort and fuel economy. and that is very cheap run down NA made Accord.
There is nothing impressive about Sonata design. it is just a cheap replica of Lexus ES with almost no road presence.
it just has first year hoopola due to EPA ratings. which are practically meaningless in all the road tests.
Just look at the this Asian Accord. Honda is premium brand around the world so it can offer features, Styling and Price of Acura in Honda products but it cant do it in NA market as it has to compete with cheaper Toyota products.
this design will not age well. look at the size of thin mirrors. and its stupid front and back end compared to Accord which has limo like presence.
If you want to see Honda technlogical power read this. This thing has 8inch of ground clearance and better handling than cars of its size with similar fuel economy and performance.
05-28-2010, 09:36 AM
#1436
Safety Car
Euro
Overseas, the Honda Civic is a rakish hatchback available in three- and five-door bodystyles, as well as a high-performance Type R variant with more than 180 horsepower on tap. The vehicle seen in these latest spy shots depict this ‘global’ Civic, although it’s highly modified state suggests it is in fact a test-mule for the next-generation model due in early 2012.
The test-mule is wearing the new model’s bumpers and features an elevated hood, either to fit a new engine or test equipment. The wheelbase looks to be the same, although we can clearly see that the rear fenders are slightly wider than on the current car.
Not much else is known about the car but there are rumors that a new three-cylinder engine option will join the four-cylinder range. There’s also word that the hybrid system from the recently revealed CR-Z Hybrid will make it into the new Honda Civic.
As for the local version of the Civic, not much is known but an all-new model is expected to debut around the 2012 mark as well.
The test-mule is wearing the new model’s bumpers and features an elevated hood, either to fit a new engine or test equipment. The wheelbase looks to be the same, although we can clearly see that the rear fenders are slightly wider than on the current car.
Not much else is known about the car but there are rumors that a new three-cylinder engine option will join the four-cylinder range. There’s also word that the hybrid system from the recently revealed CR-Z Hybrid will make it into the new Honda Civic.
As for the local version of the Civic, not much is known but an all-new model is expected to debut around the 2012 mark as well.
05-28-2010, 09:43 AM
#1437
אני עומד עם ישראל
Wow from what I can tell the rear is gonna be fugly.
05-28-2010, 11:21 AM
#1440
Senior Moderator
Did you guys read the article?
The vehicle seen in these latest spy shots depict this ‘global’ Civic, although it’s highly modified state suggests it is in fact a test-mule for the next-generation model due in early 2012.