View Poll Results: What do you like Better?
Accord Concept Rims and Bodykit
54
73.97%
2004 Acura TL A-Spec Bodykit and Rims
19
26.03%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll
Honda: Accord News
11-27-2012, 11:17 PM
#3521
Here's what Shawn Church from Church Automotive said:
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It doesn't even need a 6AT. I just completed a round trip of a little over 400 miles (and we were loaded down - 3 adults and a FULL trunk). I cruised in the 80+mph range and I had no trouble averaging 29mpg. By no trouble I mean I just drove it without worrying about feathering the throttle - i actually made fairly frequent use of the throttle. That's a few mpg better than the Accord got with the cruise locked on 75mph. I am now basically 100% convinced that the Accord's VCM offers zero real-world benefit to anybody apart from hypermilers.
It doesn't even need a 6AT. I just completed a round trip of a little over 400 miles (and we were loaded down - 3 adults and a FULL trunk). I cruised in the 80+mph range and I had no trouble averaging 29mpg. By no trouble I mean I just drove it without worrying about feathering the throttle - i actually made fairly frequent use of the throttle. That's a few mpg better than the Accord got with the cruise locked on 75mph. I am now basically 100% convinced that the Accord's VCM offers zero real-world benefit to anybody apart from hypermilers.
11-28-2012, 05:17 AM
#3522
Senior Moderator
11-29-2012, 03:29 PM
#3523
Honda Fanboy
Pricing announced for January debut of Accord Plug-In with class-leading MPGe, Accord
TORRANCE, Calif., Nov. 29, 2012 – 2014 Honda Accord Plug-In and Accord Hybrid
Honda announced at the Los Angeles Auto Show today that the 2014 Accord Plug-In Hybrid will be available for retail sale and lease beginning January 15 in California and New York, with an MSRP of $39,780. The 2014 Accord Plug-In has earned the highest EPA MPGe rating3 in its class (115 MPGe), surpassing plug-in-class competitors including the Ford C-Max Energi (100 MPGe), Chevy Volt (98 MPGe), and Prius Plug-in (95 MPGe). The 2014 Accord Plug-in has been rated by the EPA with a maximum all-electric EV mode range of 13 miles, and a fuel-economy rating of 47/46/46 mpg (city/hwy/combined). The Accord Plug-in is the first production car in America to meet the more stringent new LEV3/SULEV20 emissions standard, and it will also qualify for single-occupant carpool-lane access in California.
The two-motor Accord Hybrid will launch nationwide next summer, with anticipated class-leading2 fuel economy ratings of 49/45/47 mpg (city/hwy/combined). Unlike the unique styling of the Accord Plug-In, the Accord Hybrid will share styling much closer the conventional Accord Sedan. More details on the Accord Hybrid will be released closer to launch.
Honda announced at the Los Angeles Auto Show today that the 2014 Accord Plug-In Hybrid will be available for retail sale and lease beginning January 15 in California and New York, with an MSRP of $39,780. The 2014 Accord Plug-In has earned the highest EPA MPGe rating3 in its class (115 MPGe), surpassing plug-in-class competitors including the Ford C-Max Energi (100 MPGe), Chevy Volt (98 MPGe), and Prius Plug-in (95 MPGe). The 2014 Accord Plug-in has been rated by the EPA with a maximum all-electric EV mode range of 13 miles, and a fuel-economy rating of 47/46/46 mpg (city/hwy/combined). The Accord Plug-in is the first production car in America to meet the more stringent new LEV3/SULEV20 emissions standard, and it will also qualify for single-occupant carpool-lane access in California.
The two-motor Accord Hybrid will launch nationwide next summer, with anticipated class-leading2 fuel economy ratings of 49/45/47 mpg (city/hwy/combined). Unlike the unique styling of the Accord Plug-In, the Accord Hybrid will share styling much closer the conventional Accord Sedan. More details on the Accord Hybrid will be released closer to launch.
11-29-2012, 03:32 PM
#3524
Honda Fanboy
Considering the MSRP of other cars with similar drivetrains, and knowing all the tech that will go into the standard Accord Hybrid, it's actually priced really well. With the state and federal rebates, you can get the plug-in for $30k.
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12-14-2012, 07:39 AM
#3527
Safety Car
Autos.ca
When it comes to the automotive market, there are certain segments that are simply that much more competitive. Well, it doesn’t get much more competitive than the mid-size family sedan segment. Every brand has an entry, and pricing is usually so close that financing or incentives can turn any car into a great value.
Every year it seems that 1 segment or another has a wave of new products, and this year it has been the year of the sedan. It’s not often you get updates from most of the major players in a single year, but since last September when the 2012 Toyota Camry was launched, we have seen the introduction of all-new 2013 models in the Nissan Altima, Chevrolet Malibu, Ford Fusion, and Honda Accord.
While mid-size sedans don’t account for the volume of compact cars or crossovers here in Canada, it is still an extremely popular segment and is also a reflection of a brand’s best engineering, design, and packaging efforts to capture sales, though moreso in the US market, where mid-size sedans dominate the sales charts.
2 of the vehicles are such household names that they are synonymous with the term family sedan: Accord and Camry. Throughout their long histories, Camry has earned a reputation as comfortable, reliable transport, while the Accord has distinguished itself with a more sporting demeanour to go along with a similar reputation for reliability. The new Camry tries to overcome its ‘vanilla’ flavour, but without alienating its solid customer base. The Accord may not appear drastically different, but is full of simple, yet thoughtful improvements.
The Nissan Altima has always been a bit of an outsider, but surged into sales success with its own sporting pretensions and unique styling, but this Altima seems to have changed tracks and matches softer, fluid styling with a comfort-oriented vehicle.
Chevrolet is a brand that is reinventing its identity since emerging from bankruptcy protection, and the Malibu is a key product for them to reach more customers in a traditional market. However, they have an uphill battle, and they would need to deliver a spectacular vehicle to conquest sales away from Toyota and Honda. Not to spoil the surprise, but this car is not it.
And then there is the Fusion, the 2nd generation that this nameplate has taken over from the Taurus, but it arrived like a European supermodel showing up at a frat party. When we lined these cars up, I couldn’t help but think, “Which 1 of these cars does not belong?” In a sea of drab, conventional designs, in drab, muted colours, the brilliant blue Fusion was a breath of fresh air. But does it have the content to back up that good first impression? And is that styling too much for this ‘white bread’ segment?
We brought together 4-cylinder (though 1 adds battery assist), automatic-equipped samples of each model, although they ranged from a near-base Camry LE to a fully loaded Accord Touring and drove them back to back on the same day to discern the strengths and weaknesses of each and to crown our family sedan king. –JY
5th Place: 2013 Chevrolet Malibu Eco 1LT
Who brought the hybrid? Chevy did, that’s who. The 2013 Chevrolet Malibu Eco is, however, such a mild hybrid that we saw no reason to exclude it—it was also priced right in the heart of our comparison at $31,740 (freight and A/C tax in), which was a couple hundred bucks more than the Fusion and second most expensive in test.
At that price, you’d expect that it would be nicely featured and it was. Aside from the climate control, MyLink with 7-inch touchscreen, satellite radio, and Bluetooth included as standard with the $27,490 Eco model, the Preferred Equipment Group added sunroof, back-up camera, and 8-way power seats for $2,200 combined.
The key feature of the Eco model is, of course, its mild hybrid system that adds a 15-kW electric motor in support of the 2.4L direct-injection 4-cylinder making 182 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque. Power for the electric motor comes from regenerative braking and the vehicle also incorporates an auto start-stop system that shuts the vehicle down at stoplights. 1 thing we noted was how smooth the restarts were after the engine was paused, and once moving the engine pulls strongly and gets the Malibu up to speed, even if it slightly coarse in doing so.
You would expect that the hybrid would be the fuel consumption champ, but the Malibu Eco did no better than mid-pack, finishing our drive loop at 9.2 L/100 km, a ways off from its 8.1/5.3 city/highway estimate, but not the worst in that regard (cough-Ford-cough).
But at the end of the day, the Malibu Eco scored lowest in almost every category, scoring a sole win in Cabin Storage, but that is not enough to redeem its muddled looks, marginal quality interior, compromised cargo space, and utter lack of driving character. Even in the Easy to Drive and Ease of Parking categories it lagged behind the others because of poor steering, strange off-throttle hiccups, and poor visibility.
Overall, it seemed that too much of the cost was invested in a drivetrain technology that adds little value and holds little appeal, and the Eco might well be the least desirable model in the Malibu lineup. –JY
Pricing: 2013 Chevrolet Malibu Eco 1LT
Base price: $27,490
Options: Preferred Equipment Group $2,200 (Sunroof – 1,195; cargo net, auto-dimming rear-view mirror, back-up camera, 8-way power driver seat – $1,005).
Freight: $1,500
A/C Tax: $100
Price as tested: $31,740
Base price: $27,490
Options: Preferred Equipment Group $2,200 (Sunroof – 1,195; cargo net, auto-dimming rear-view mirror, back-up camera, 8-way power driver seat – $1,005).
Freight: $1,500
A/C Tax: $100
Price as tested: $31,740
4th Place: 2013 Nissan Altima 2.5 SV
This is another mainstream family sedan that has been reinvented for 2013. The Altima adopts the swoopy body curves of its big-brother Maxima, and while this 2013 model is larger than the 1 it replaces, it is actually lighter thanks to a structure with more high-strength steel and the inclusion of an aluminum trunk, roof, and hood. Indeed, it checks in at 111 kg (245 lb.) less than the Honda Accord in this test.
That’s like hauling 1 less Argo linebacker around.
This sedan, with an as-tested price of $29,828 ($1,695 freight and A/C tax in), goes down the road quite swiftly thanks to its 2.5L inline-4 that puts out 182 hp and 180 lb-ft at 4,000 rpm and, according to Senior Editor Jonathan Yarkony sounding quite like a baby brother to Nissan VQ V6 with its signature raspy howl. Like the Honda, it has a CVT (continuously variable transmission), but unlike Honda, Nissan has been in the CVT business for a long time. That’s not to say this unit is any better than Honda’s, but it does work well, largely avoiding the engine drone (unless you’re really hammering it) and bestowing this sedan with brisk acceleration. The Altima felt the most enthusiastic here when it came to throttle response. It was also the second thirstiest in the test at 9.6 L/100 km, next to the Fusion. Official estimates claim it should do 7.4 in the city and 5.0 on the highway. Ummmm…
Anyhow, settle your butt into the front seats and it feels like you’re sitting in a La-Z-Boy, but not some newfangled leather 1. These are soft and squishy, featuring a new memory foam that Nissan says reduces pressure points on the body and covered in a velour that will take you back to the 80s. Having driven this car for a week previously, I can say comfort is not an issue, but I much prefer the support offered by the excellent firm yet contoured Fusion chairs.
This tester’s cabin certainly looked bright and airy thanks to its all-beige treatment but the fuzzy seat and door fabric would surely pick up the dirt in no time. While back-seat legroom is not quite as generous as the Honda’s or Fusion’s, you won’t be getting any complaints from 2 normal sized adults.
The Altima’s dash and “clear vision” instrument cluster get full marks for visibility, functionality, and ease of operation. It’s a handsome and clean design bereft of gimmicks that appears well constructed.
We didn’t like the Altima’s steering, however. It has a disconnected and wooden feel, and is not particularly linear off centre. Combine that with a chassis that doesn’t feel very buttoned down and the fun factor diminishes rapidly. The Altima’s ride is plenty compliant, but so is the Honda’s, and that car has a dynamic flow that eludes the Nissan.
Will most buyers even notice? Likely not. In isolation, the Nissan is a fine, conservative family sedan that offers a serene and comfortable driving experience, suitably upscale digs and good value. As mentioned earlier, I had it for a week and my wife loved it.
This 2013 Altima is measurably better than the outgoing model. It’s just not measurably better than its competition. –PB
Pricing: 2013 Nissan Altima SV
Base price: $28,033
Options: Navigation – $1,035
Freight: $1,695
A/C Tax: $100
Price as tested: $29,828
Base price: $28,033
Options: Navigation – $1,035
Freight: $1,695
A/C Tax: $100
Price as tested: $29,828
3rd Place: 2013 Ford Fusion SE 1.6 Ecoboost
We had decidedly high expectations of the 2013 Ford Fusion in this comparison because, well, we love it. It’s gorgeous and sporty and is the car many of us here at Autos.ca would actually buy. But that’s not how these comparisons work. We evaluate these cars on a range of qualities we believe are important to consumers in this segment, and it’s impossible to overlook certain weaknesses once we objectively evaluate a car against its competitors.
However, fans of the Fusion can be consoled with the fact that the Fusion scored better in the vehicle ratings, but the Camry’s efficiency and value turned the tables and pushed it ahead of the Fusion in our final calculations. The 2013 Fusion SE with the 1.6 Ecoboost engine was well equipped and rang up at a pricey $31,499 ($1,550 freight and A/C tax in), but not the most expensive in test (Accord). At that price, customers can expect leather seating, high quality interior, back-up camera, heated front seats, and driving aids like lane-keeping system and blind-spot detection.
Also included at that price was the controversial MyFord Touch system, with its touchscreen infotainment unit and touch sensitive plastic panel for audio and climate controls. None of our testers experienced any system failures, and it worked well in our limited use, but we’d all like to see the screen response times improve. Other than that, the stereo and other features were all appreciated, but nowhere did the Fusion perform as well as on the road.
This is the driver’s car of the bunch, sweeping the Fun to Drive, Handling, Steering, and Brake feel categories, and almost matching the Accord in Comfort, not to mention dominating in Exterior Styling and emotional appeal that is through the roof. Toss the Fusion into a corner and you’ll come out grinning thanks to its responsive chassis and well-sorted steering.
Factor in that you can get a slick-shifting 6-speed manual with the 1.6 SE, allowing full use of its 178-hp turbocharged 1.6L inline-4 and you have your driver’s choice right there. But even with the 6-speed automatic, 1.6L turbo’s 184 lb-ft of torque, on tap as early as 2,500 rpm, is enough to motivate the 1,551-kg (3,421 lb.) sedan to adequate acceleration until you begin to eclipse highway speeds. However, the Fusion’s 1.6 Ecoboost and 6-speed automatic seemed coarse and rough compared to some of the smooth operators in this crowd.
Whether we drove the Fusion a bit harder because of its eager responsiveness is impossible to say, but it delivered worst-in-test fuel consumption of 10.4 L/100 km. Compare that with its official estimates of 8.7/5.5 L/100 km city/highway. Not good, but the Nissan was still further off from its estimate, so Ford is not alone in this ‘optimistic’ rating game.
But returning to a family sedan’s core duties, the Fusion managed to match the Accord in Ride Comfort and even scored better in Cargo Space thanks to its large, fully lined square trunk and wide pass-through when folding the seats down. The stereo was as good as any in this test, and its seats were admired in all 4 primary positions, but it was the tightest squeeze with 3 abreast in the back, and the child seat installation was difficult.
As much as we like it, we can acknowledge that it performs best in those categories that we subjectively prioritize (driving dynamics, looks), yet it has a ways to go when it comes to appealing to the masses looking for a practical, reliable, transportation for the family. In some ways, it just looks too good for people to believe it is actually a fairly practical car. –JY
Pricing: 2013 Ford Fusion SE 1.6 Ecoboost
Base price: $24,499
Optional equipment: $5,350 (SE Tech Package: MyFord Touch, back-up camera – $850; Equipment Group 205A: luxury package, heated front seats – $3000; Driver Assistance Package: lane keeping system and blind spot detection — $1500)
A/C tax: $100
Destination charge: $1,550
Price as tested: $31,499
Base price: $24,499
Optional equipment: $5,350 (SE Tech Package: MyFord Touch, back-up camera – $850; Equipment Group 205A: luxury package, heated front seats – $3000; Driver Assistance Package: lane keeping system and blind spot detection — $1500)
A/C tax: $100
Destination charge: $1,550
Price as tested: $31,499
If you’ve followed our previous comparison tests, you may have gotten the impression that we hate Toyotas. This is not the case. It is just the unfortunate circumstance that we were performing tests in segments where Toyota was well into its model cycle and several years old from a development perspective. Well, this time we have the 2012 Toyota Camry, a year out of a full redesign, and a product that has earned Toyota a reputation for comfortable, reliable, and efficient transportation that appeals to a wide range of people.
Not only that, but you could make the case that the Camry is the quintessential family sedan, and the gold standard for mid-size sedans. The sales charts back me up on that, the Camry is set to eclipse 400,000 units in sales south of the border for the first time since 2008 (the only mid-size sedan to achieve that kind of volume), and perennially the bestselling car in America. It’s also a solid seller in Canada, although last year both the Hyundai Sonata and Ford Fusion outsold it in this market, but it is back on top this year.
But sales don’t win you Comparison Tests, and the Camry sneaks into second place on value, efficiency, and a surprisingly capable road manners. At $25,365 ($1,565 freight and A/C tax in) as tested, we were afraid that the base Camry LE would be underequipped, but the Camry’s impressive list of standard equipment covered the basics of modern transportation.
The LE includes tilt and telescoping steering wheel with audio controls, power windows, mirrors, keyless entry, A/C, 6.1-inch touchscreen for the 6-speaker audio system with Bluetooth streaming and an auxiliary USB port. In order to keep its price point this low it goes without power seats, navigation, leather, alloy wheels (16-inch steelies for the LE), satellite radio, sunroof, push-button start, auto climate control, premium audio system, heated seats all of which are available as you move up to SE and XLE models. Not surprisingly, the Camry brought up the rear in our Feature Content category, and the stereo delivered disappointingly poor quality.
Despite the dearth of creature comforts, the Camry is comfortable and pleasant, its cloth seats promising durability, though little in the way of comfort. While not as comfortable as other seats in this test, the Camry was spacious and roomy in back, judged to be the best option for 3-wide seating if that’s a priority in your family.
On the road is where the Camry surprised us the most. No, it’s not a handling champ like the Fusion, but it holds its own and the powertrain, steering, and handling were all rated middle of the pack, and thanks to great sightlines, parking was easy (second in test) even without a back-up camera. Of course, the Camry was the comfort champ, its smaller, high profile tires working with the suspension to eliminate bumps and rough roads from impacting passengers; “Wafty” and “Sooooo comfy” were a couple of notable comments from the driving notes.
While the 178-hp, 170 lb-ft 2.5L 4-cylinder engine was non-descript in operation and the 6-speed automatic unobtrusive, that’s a good thing because in this class, many people just don’t want to be bothered by engine noise or transmission lurches. Highway speeds are achieved at a leisurely 1,800–2,100 rpm (100–120 km/h), and the cabin is quiet except for a hint of wind noise.
It also delivers the expected efficiency finishing the test at 8.9 L/100 km, not far off its official rating of 8.2/5.6 for city/highway cycles.
So, while giving up a lot of features to the other entrants, the Camry’s essential qualities and convenience shone through, and its low price of entry were enough to earn this signature Toyota a second place finish.
It’s about time. –JY
Pricing: 2012 Toyota Camry LE
Base price: $23,700
Optional equipment: None
A/C tax: $100
Destination charge: $1,565
Price as tested: $25,365
Even in the face of our enthusiasm for the Fusion’s style and driving dynamics, the $33,330 Honda Accord Touring got the win. And it was no great surprise for our group of testers.
This new 9th-generation Accord has an overreaching sense of rightness that covers every aspect of its being. Sit in the comfortable seats and you’re ensconced in a high-quality environment. The leather feels rich yet durable and the interestingly sculpted dash is fashioned from soft-touch plastics. All the controls are well marked and logical. The big LCD screen and backlit instrument panel provide all the necessary info at a glance—and we were not ready for the NBA-grade rear legroom and massive trunk.
Once underway, the Accord manages to feel light on its feet yet also substantial. It steers and handles with confident grace and the ride is never harsh or busy. The reworked DOHC 2.4L 4, now featuring direct-injection and hooked to a continuously variable transmission, makes 189 hp and 182 lb-ft at 3,900 rpm. It works smoothly, quietly, and in the tradition of good Honda engines, spins happily to its 6,400 rpm redline.
This sedan is fleet and agile, and I will confess that I didn’t even know it had a CVT transmission until halfway through our test day, such is the transparency of this new-for-Accord fuel saving device. Between the ‘Earth Dreams’ engine and CVT, the Accord pulled off a best-in-test 8.8 L/100 km on our drive loops.
The low beltline and tall greenhouse make for plenty of headroom and good sightlines. A cool optional feature is a clever blind-spot camera called LaneWatch. Turn on your right signal and a rear-facing camera on the passenger side mirror shoots up an image on the central screen—especially good for lane changes or checking for approaching cyclists when making inner city right turns.
The traditional Honda front wishbone suspension makes way for a MacPherson strut setup here, but hey, it works just fine for BMW and Porsche.
While this new, slightly smaller Honda Accord looks every inch the conservative family sedan, it was the (distant) runner up in the Beauty Pageant. The classy front-end treatment and general cohesiveness of design make for a pleasing, if not particularly flashy presence. We’re pretty sure the Honda, Chevy, Nissan, and Toyota were talking catty behind the sexy Fusion’s back.
Ah, but what can we say? The 2013 Honda Accord has a terrific personality, and that’s what won us over. –PB
Pricing: 2013 Honda Accord Sedan Touring
Base Price: $30,390
Options: $1,200 (CVT)
Freight and PDI: $1,640
A/C Tax: $100
Price as tested: $33,330
Base Price: $30,390
Options: $1,200 (CVT)
Freight and PDI: $1,640
A/C Tax: $100
Price as tested: $33,330
Last edited by TSX69; 12-14-2012 at 07:46 AM.
12-14-2012, 08:19 AM
#3528
Niner Faithful
Are the rims for the Accord Touring in Canada different from the ones in the US? It looks much nicer.......why do our Northern neighbors get nicer rims????
12-14-2012, 09:11 AM
#3529
Canadian Touring wheels have the same basic design as the 18x8 Canadian Accord Sport and US Accord Sport wheels, it's just the faces are slight different colors.
The Canadian Accord Touring wheels are blade silver with diamond machined face.
The Canadian Sport and US Sport trim Accord gets 18x8 wheels that are pewter grey with diamond machined face.
12-14-2012, 09:12 AM
#3530
Moderator
12-14-2012, 05:30 PM
#3532
Senior Moderator
The usual two back seat occupants in my cars use a booster seat and a car seat...so, heated rear seats mean little to me......and them.
While all of the sedans in that comparo are far better than their predecessors, it's ironic that only the same two are on my radar: Honda Accord and Nissan Altima.
While all of the sedans in that comparo are far better than their predecessors, it's ironic that only the same two are on my radar: Honda Accord and Nissan Altima.
12-16-2012, 10:42 AM
#3533
Somebody Is Puffing the Magic Dragon
After reading the C/D and MT comparison tests, I think these guys were a bit off the mark with their rankings. Based on other comparison tests and the mid sizers I've test driven so far, the rankings should have been the following:
1st Place = Accord
2nd Place = Fusion
3rd Place = Altima
4th Place = Camry
5th Place = Malibu
1st Place = Accord
2nd Place = Fusion
3rd Place = Altima
4th Place = Camry
5th Place = Malibu
12-16-2012, 06:02 PM
#3534
12-16-2012, 11:00 PM
#3537
Senior Moderator
They mentioned in their forums that these cars are all new and they wanted to test them against the perrenial best selling Camry. While the Optima/Sonata are long in the tooth. And the only Optima available in Canada for testing was in Vancouver.
12-17-2012, 09:24 AM
#3539
1) Having sat in both, the interior of the TL is better (subective, I know).
2) You can't get the Accord in AWD.
In general, I agree with you, though, and have been saying the same thing. Of course, the current TL is "old" and on the way out and a new TL/TLX is coming in a few months.
2) You can't get the Accord in AWD.
In general, I agree with you, though, and have been saying the same thing. Of course, the current TL is "old" and on the way out and a new TL/TLX is coming in a few months.
12-17-2012, 10:15 AM
#3540
Senior Moderator
After reading the C/D and MT comparison tests, I think these guys were a bit off the mark with their rankings. Based on other comparison tests and the mid sizers I've test driven so far, the rankings should have been the following:
1st Place = Accord
2nd Place = Fusion
3rd Place = Altima
4th Place = Camry
5th Place = Malibu
1st Place = Accord
2nd Place = Fusion
3rd Place = Altima
4th Place = Camry
5th Place = Malibu
12-17-2012, 10:45 AM
#3541
TL and Accord fuel economic is not much different. 20/29 vs 21/34 but Acura is on wider tire setup with better grip.
Acura interior and music system is also more upscale than Honda. There is advance package in Acura with ventilated seats.
TL replacement is atleast 1 to 2 years away. so good deals are available.
Acura interior and music system is also more upscale than Honda. There is advance package in Acura with ventilated seats.
TL replacement is atleast 1 to 2 years away. so good deals are available.
12-17-2012, 11:29 PM
#3544
12-18-2012, 10:28 PM
#3545
▒JDM ¥ KING▒
Can't wait to see/drive the PHEV next month!
12-19-2012, 10:00 AM
#3546
Safety Car
CR: 40mpg
Consumer Reports and Honda seem to have patched things up thanks to the 2013 Accord. The publication says the 4-cylinder sedan now sits at the top of its class after testing, beating out the Hyundai Sonata and Toyota Camry, while the V6 Accord is giving the Camry and Camry Hybrid serious competition in CR ratings. The Accord managed to improve its position thanks to its fuel economy, smooth CVT and driving characteristics, though testers also said the Accord boasts "1 of the best driving positions available in its class."
That's not to say there weren't a few sore spots. Consumer Reports found the sedan's optional Lane Watch system to be gimmicky given the tech doesn't cover the driver's side blind spot. While the full test results are currently available on the CR web site, the report will also show up in the February issue of the magazine. Expect to see it hit news stand on December 27. Until then, you can check out the full press release below.
CONSUMER REPORTS TESTS FIND REDESIGNED HONDA ACCORD RETURNS TO THE FRONT OF THE PACK
Impressive Accord Redesign Alters Mid-sized Sedan Landscape
YONKERS, NY - With a roomy interior, frugal fuel economy, a fun-to-drive character, and an attractive combination of features and price, the Honda Accord has given Consumer Reports testers convincing evidence that Honda may be back on track.
The new 4-cylinder Accord now tops its class, edging out the Hyundai Sonata and Camry, while the V6 model is challenging the Camry Hybrid and V6 Camry for the top spot in Consumer Reports ratings.
"Honda missed the mark with other redesigned models in recent years, but it nailed this 1," said Jake Fisher, director, Consumer Reports Auto Test Center.
Consumer Reports tests found the new Accord to be a very fuel efficient and well-rounded sedan. Its 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine, matched with a smoothly operating continuously variable transmission, squeezes out an excellent 30 mpg overall and 40 mpg on the highway. The 3.5-liter V6 is super smooth and quite powerful, snapping off a 6.3-second 0-to-60 mph time that beats some sports cars. And its 26 mpg overall is better than many 4-cylinders.
Inside the cabin, the Accord offers 1 of the best driving positions available in its class, with excellent visibility and comfortable seats. Upper-level versions have Honda's LaneWatch system which uses a camera to display what lurks in the car's passenger side blind zone. CR found this gimmicky and distracting, especially since there is no warning for cars on the driver's side.
The full report and road test results are available at ConsumerReports.org on December 18th and in the February issue of Consumer Reports on newsstands December 27. Updated daily, ConsumerReports.org is the go-to Website for the latest auto reviews, product news, blogs on breaking news and car buying information. Check out CR's ongoing Twitter feed at @CRCars.
While Consumer Reports previously tested the revamped Chevrolet Malibu's mild-hybrid Eco version, this group included a conventionally powered Malibu with the 2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine. Consumer Reports engineers found it to have a plush ride, quiet cabin, and reasonable 26 mpg. With better handling and acceleration, this Malibu scored notably higher than the Malibu Eco. But its $26,030 sticker is high for the class and the rear seat is snug for a family sedan.
Subaru updated the 2013 Legacy, tweaking its suspension and giving it a new engine and continuously variable transmission (CVT). Consumer Reports found the Legacy to be spacious and nicely equipped, with good fuel economy given the standard all-wheel-drive. But while the handling of this new version is a little crisper, it comes at the expense of the previously cushy ride. The unrefined CVT accentuates engine noise, which also cost the car points in Consumer Reports testing. Overall, Consumer Reports found the new Legacy isn't notably better, only different.
The Accord and Legacy are Recommended by Consumer Reports; the Legacy has had above-average reliability and we expect the same for the Accord, based on its good track record. While the Malibu scored well, it's too new for Consumer Reports to have sufficient reliability data
The Hyundai Santa Fe Sport and Subaru XV Crosstrek SUVs were also recently tested by Consumer Reports. The stylish, midsized Santa Fe Sport was notably upgraded for 2013. Tests found it offers good fuel efficiency, a composed ride, a spacious cabin, and an impressive array of features for the money. But a few shortcomings, notably vague steering and limited visibility, keep it mid-pack in Consumer Reports' Ratings.
Consumer Reports found the Crosstrek, which is based on the Subaru Impreza hatchback, poses convincingly as a miniature SUV. Its raised ride height provides 8 inches of ground clearance, on par with "real" SUVs. While no rugged off-roader, it's more than a match for deeply rutted muddy roads. Fuel economy is impressive at 26 mpg overall, but acceleration with the CVT feels a little sluggish when it 1st gets underway. The engine sounds raucous when revving, which it has to do a lot. Road noise adds more racket.
The jacked-up ground clearance and stiffened suspension take a toll on agility and ride comfort. "Most buyers should stick with the higher-scoring Impreza Sport that costs $2,000 less," Fisher said.
Consumer Reports is the world's largest independent product-testing organization. Using its more than 50 labs, auto test center, and survey research center, the nonprofit rates thousands of products and services annually. Founded in 1936, Consumer Reports has over 8 million subscribers to its magazine, website and other publications. Its advocacy division, Consumers Union, works for health reform, food and product safety, financial reform, and other consumer issues in Washington, D.C., the states, and in the marketplace.
The full report and road test results are available at ConsumerReports.org on December 18th and in the January issue of Consumer Reports on newsstands December 27th.
Impressive Accord Redesign Alters Mid-sized Sedan Landscape
YONKERS, NY - With a roomy interior, frugal fuel economy, a fun-to-drive character, and an attractive combination of features and price, the Honda Accord has given Consumer Reports testers convincing evidence that Honda may be back on track.
The new 4-cylinder Accord now tops its class, edging out the Hyundai Sonata and Camry, while the V6 model is challenging the Camry Hybrid and V6 Camry for the top spot in Consumer Reports ratings.
"Honda missed the mark with other redesigned models in recent years, but it nailed this 1," said Jake Fisher, director, Consumer Reports Auto Test Center.
Consumer Reports tests found the new Accord to be a very fuel efficient and well-rounded sedan. Its 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine, matched with a smoothly operating continuously variable transmission, squeezes out an excellent 30 mpg overall and 40 mpg on the highway. The 3.5-liter V6 is super smooth and quite powerful, snapping off a 6.3-second 0-to-60 mph time that beats some sports cars. And its 26 mpg overall is better than many 4-cylinders.
Inside the cabin, the Accord offers 1 of the best driving positions available in its class, with excellent visibility and comfortable seats. Upper-level versions have Honda's LaneWatch system which uses a camera to display what lurks in the car's passenger side blind zone. CR found this gimmicky and distracting, especially since there is no warning for cars on the driver's side.
The full report and road test results are available at ConsumerReports.org on December 18th and in the February issue of Consumer Reports on newsstands December 27. Updated daily, ConsumerReports.org is the go-to Website for the latest auto reviews, product news, blogs on breaking news and car buying information. Check out CR's ongoing Twitter feed at @CRCars.
While Consumer Reports previously tested the revamped Chevrolet Malibu's mild-hybrid Eco version, this group included a conventionally powered Malibu with the 2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine. Consumer Reports engineers found it to have a plush ride, quiet cabin, and reasonable 26 mpg. With better handling and acceleration, this Malibu scored notably higher than the Malibu Eco. But its $26,030 sticker is high for the class and the rear seat is snug for a family sedan.
Subaru updated the 2013 Legacy, tweaking its suspension and giving it a new engine and continuously variable transmission (CVT). Consumer Reports found the Legacy to be spacious and nicely equipped, with good fuel economy given the standard all-wheel-drive. But while the handling of this new version is a little crisper, it comes at the expense of the previously cushy ride. The unrefined CVT accentuates engine noise, which also cost the car points in Consumer Reports testing. Overall, Consumer Reports found the new Legacy isn't notably better, only different.
The Accord and Legacy are Recommended by Consumer Reports; the Legacy has had above-average reliability and we expect the same for the Accord, based on its good track record. While the Malibu scored well, it's too new for Consumer Reports to have sufficient reliability data
The Hyundai Santa Fe Sport and Subaru XV Crosstrek SUVs were also recently tested by Consumer Reports. The stylish, midsized Santa Fe Sport was notably upgraded for 2013. Tests found it offers good fuel efficiency, a composed ride, a spacious cabin, and an impressive array of features for the money. But a few shortcomings, notably vague steering and limited visibility, keep it mid-pack in Consumer Reports' Ratings.
Consumer Reports found the Crosstrek, which is based on the Subaru Impreza hatchback, poses convincingly as a miniature SUV. Its raised ride height provides 8 inches of ground clearance, on par with "real" SUVs. While no rugged off-roader, it's more than a match for deeply rutted muddy roads. Fuel economy is impressive at 26 mpg overall, but acceleration with the CVT feels a little sluggish when it 1st gets underway. The engine sounds raucous when revving, which it has to do a lot. Road noise adds more racket.
The jacked-up ground clearance and stiffened suspension take a toll on agility and ride comfort. "Most buyers should stick with the higher-scoring Impreza Sport that costs $2,000 less," Fisher said.
Consumer Reports is the world's largest independent product-testing organization. Using its more than 50 labs, auto test center, and survey research center, the nonprofit rates thousands of products and services annually. Founded in 1936, Consumer Reports has over 8 million subscribers to its magazine, website and other publications. Its advocacy division, Consumers Union, works for health reform, food and product safety, financial reform, and other consumer issues in Washington, D.C., the states, and in the marketplace.
The full report and road test results are available at ConsumerReports.org on December 18th and in the January issue of Consumer Reports on newsstands December 27th.
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12-20-2012, 11:03 AM
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Saw a black '13 coupe this morning. Didn't look bad & the reflector cutouts on the back bumper aren't that bad on a black car.
12-20-2012, 11:44 AM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...al-test-review
2013 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L V6 6MT Road Test.
2013 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L V6 6MT Road Test.
12-20-2012, 02:37 PM
#3550
Whats up with RDX owners?
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^ Very easily. Those are impressive trap speeds for a stock FWD Honda.
12-20-2012, 05:03 PM
#3551
AZ Community Team
Wow that puts my 05 6MT TL to shame 
12-20-2012, 07:52 PM
#3553
the person who posted that vid:
pollyo88 3 days ago
@vqseries This was a V6 AT with CVT.. This acceleration was also without using the paddle shifters
pollyo88 3 days ago
@vqseries This was a V6 AT with CVT.. This acceleration was also without using the paddle shifters
12-21-2012, 10:11 AM
#3555
Whats up with RDX owners?
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It's performance seems to be in the same ballpark as the outgoing 8G V6 6MT.
EDIT - Motorweek managed a 13.9@101 in the 8G 6-6.
http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...a_accord_coupe
With the right driver, a 13.7 wouldnt be out of the question in the 9G.
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12-22-2012, 12:13 PM
#3556
I have already seen a 13.7@102MPH from one of 's 8th gen members. That was bone stock. I could see a stock 9th gen 6MT hitting 13.5 or 13.6 @103-104 with a great launch.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
Car and driver got a 0-60 in 5.6 seconds 1/4 mile in 14.1@101MPH with the V6 auto sedan! Super impressive!! There isn't an acura that can touch that time at this moment. Even the SHAWD 6MT TL is trapping under 100mph.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
Car and driver got a 0-60 in 5.6 seconds 1/4 mile in 14.1@101MPH with the V6 auto sedan! Super impressive!! There isn't an acura that can touch that time at this moment. Even the SHAWD 6MT TL is trapping under 100mph.
12-22-2012, 12:14 PM
#3557
It pulls really well even in AT form shifting well before the redline:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Td_Ws41hBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Td_Ws41hBc
12-22-2012, 04:02 PM
#3558
TL SH-AWD auto tested 0-60 in 5.5 second. TL is alot heavier, wider, taller car than Accord coupe. with wider tires.
6MT TL-SH-AWD.
I would estimate that RLX FWD will beat Accord V6 auto/6MT.
http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa.../2012_acura_tl
Sadly, our test car was auto-only, but we put the paddle shifters to good use wringing spirited acceleration from the big V6 and all-wheel-drive combo. The 3.7 V6 provides plenty of low end punch. 0 to 60 is unchanged at 5.5 seconds. But the 3.7 also delivers the flexibility of strong mid-range and high revving top end. Impressive.
Sadly, our test car was auto-only, but we put the paddle shifters to good use wringing spirited acceleration from the big V6 and all-wheel-drive combo. The 3.7 V6 provides plenty of low end punch. 0 to 60 is unchanged at 5.5 seconds. But the 3.7 also delivers the flexibility of strong mid-range and high revving top end. Impressive.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html
Seat-of-the-pants, the TL feels quick, but test results prove this sedan can hustle. Zero to 60 comes in a brief 5.3 seconds. That's three-tenths slower than the G37 automatic's time,
Seat-of-the-pants, the TL feels quick, but test results prove this sedan can hustle. Zero to 60 comes in a brief 5.3 seconds. That's three-tenths slower than the G37 automatic's time,
12-23-2012, 10:03 AM
#3559
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I have already seen a 13.7@102MPH from one of 's 8th gen members. That was bone stock. I could see a stock 9th gen 6MT hitting 13.5 or 13.6 @103-104 with a great launch.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
Car and driver got a 0-60 in 5.6 seconds 1/4 mile in 14.1@101MPH with the V6 auto sedan! Super impressive!! There isn't an acura that can touch that time at this moment. Even the SHAWD 6MT TL is trapping under 100mph.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-6-test-review
Car and driver got a 0-60 in 5.6 seconds 1/4 mile in 14.1@101MPH with the V6 auto sedan! Super impressive!! There isn't an acura that can touch that time at this moment. Even the SHAWD 6MT TL is trapping under 100mph.