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Old 10-20-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Of course I am assuming, and unless you are in the upper echelons of Acura's design team, so are you. The difference is that, as I have already stated, my assumptions are based on the history Acura has already demonstrated. Yours, judging by the stench wafting from your argument, was extracted from some place located a little more...aft.
history?. we have TL SH-AWD 6MT in Acura history that is 0-60mph in 5.2 second. and that was Pre-MMC. not the more efficent updated design
Now 6MT Accord coupe is expected to beat or equal that number.
so TLX naturally has to beat 6MT Accord coupe numbers.
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The new 6MT Accord Coupe hit 60 in 5.6 seconds. Theres no way a nearly 2 ton, FWD vehicle will hit 60mph at or under 5 seconds right off the production line.

Your logic is flawed. You suck at life. I fart in your general direction.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
The new 6MT Accord Coupe hit 60 in 5.6 seconds. Theres no way a nearly 2 ton, FWD vehicle will hit 60mph at or under 5 seconds right off the production line.

Your logic is flawed. You suck at life. I fart in your general direction.


You guys don't understand that honda/ack is holding back on the performance world. You all should know the Honack is the ultimate car builder. Just look here:

Originally Posted by kingnutrider
Acura is perfectly capable of creating the most aerodynamic sedan in world with fastest engine power delivery and best grip even on all season tire setup. That car will still have full ground clearance not joke like BMW coupes that sit lower to the ground.

Accord 2.4L sport manual on 18inch rubber. Almost as fast ILX 6MT. but 300lbs heavier,2inch higher and wider tires. This is called king of aerodynamics.
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Accord coupe hasnt been tested by C&D or R&T and certainly not with performance tires like Civic Si.
I bet 6MT Accord coupe is going to beat 6AT Accord sedan by quite a margin.
FWD RLX will be under 4000lbs. better transmission and massive torque advantage due to DI engine will make it faster than Accord 6AT by alteast half a second if not full second.
see new CVT Accord example despite being less power than previous Accord it is half a second faster.

They are not implementing new transmissiona and complex technology merely for incremental performance boost.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/au...quer.html?_r=0
According to Mr. Seredynski, the all-wheel-drive RLX hybrid, unveiled as a design study at the New York auto show in April, uses an electric motor embedded in the 7-speed dual-clutch automated manual transmission at the front axle; the gas engine is a 3.5-liter V-6. At the rear, a transaxle houses electric motors for each wheel. Under hard acceleration, all three electric motors engage, turning the front-drive car into all-wheel drive.

The RLX will be capable of all-electric driving around town. At higher speeds, the gas engine will engage; power will also flow to the rear motors for extra acceleration. The pièce de résistance may be Honda’s bilateral torque-adjustable control system, which can send power individually to the rear wheels to help with cornering. It can also turn a rear motor into a generator to provide drag at one wheel.
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I have a suggestion.

If the RLX ends up being under 4.0 sec from 0-60, then you guys apologize for being doubters. But if the RLX isn't under 4.0 sec. from 0-60, then SSFTSX will admit he was wrong and will self-ban himself, never to return.


Now, can we go back to talking about the Accord? I mean, we do have a dedicated RL(X) thread. Just saying...

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There is correction. If RLX achieves 4.5 second time with All season tires. they we can assume that with summer performance tires it will be sub 4 second car.
As all M5, S6 achieved sub 4 second timing by lowering the car and with alot lighter rim/tire setup. not like long life thicker all season setup.

see this one all are ZR series lower profile tire setup.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-e63-amg-1.pdf
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^ No. Sorry. You can't change it to "with summer performance tires" because that's not what you originally said.

Here's a refresher:

Originally Posted by SSFTSX
278bhp Accord reached 0-120mph in 21.2 seconds on all season setup. just imagine RLX with all its aerodynamic refinement, AWD, electric torque. RLX will should do under 4 second. with its electic torque, AWD, more advance transmission.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Accord coupe hasnt been tested by C&D or R&T and certainly not with performance tires like Civic Si.
I bet 6MT Accord coupe is going to beat 6AT Accord sedan by quite a margin.
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see new CVT Accord example despite being less power than previous Accord it is half a second faster.

They are not implementing new transmissiona and complex technology merely for incremental performance boost.
Dude, are you fucking kidding me??

First off, the 4cyl Accord may make 5hp less (1hp less if you get the Sport model) then the outgoing EX Accord, but look at the torque number (which is much more important for a 0-anything pull).

2013 4cyl: 181tq
2012 EX 4cyl: 161tq

Second, the CVT keeps the motor in the optimal powerband all the time, something the 5AT could not do.

Regarding the V6-6:

Originally Posted by MotorTrend
We were able to get our hands on a loaded four-cylinder CVT, a four-cylinder manual Sport, and a nearly loaded V-6 manual Coupe. The V-6 hit 60 mph in just 5.6 seconds
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...all.html?ti=v2

Now, exactly how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
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Okay I'm tired of magazine racing. Back to the Accord which was a great effort by Honda. Thank goodness.
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Originally Posted by AZuser
^ No. Sorry. You can't change it to "with summer performance tires" because that's not what you originally said.

Here's a refresher:
I used all seaon for Accord. not for RLX. you cannot use different set of criteria and i am not going into lowering the car which make it unsuitable for potholes, hilly areas and off road surfaces.


The front nose will always hit in high speed hilly san francisco.



Front nose has decent clearance.
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I think Im going to go buy an Accord for some offroading I plan on doing. I hear it has great ground clearance and capable FWD.
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5 flat for the AWD RLX.

/magazine race back to Accord only.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Dude, are you fucking kidding me??

First off, the 4cyl Accord may make 5hp less (1hp less if you get the Sport model) then the outgoing EX Accord, but look at the torque number (which is much more important for a 0-anything pull).

2013 4cyl: 181tq
2012 EX 4cyl: 161tq

Second, the CVT keeps the motor in the optimal powerband all the time, something the 5AT could not do.

Regarding the V6-6:



http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...all.html?ti=v2

Now, exactly how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
As i said wait for tests by C&D and R&T. they put extreme performance. and that coupe is still not with summer performance tire setup like Civic Si. ur basically comparing all seaon tire Accord setup with summer performance from other competitors.
BMW 335 6MT 5.3 second time is with summer performance tire at C&D otherwise Accord would have beaten it even with 6AT. RLX has DCT 7 speed transmission. for same performance reason. It is not merely an uprated Accord.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Dude, are you fucking kidding me??

First off, the 4cyl Accord may make 5hp less (1hp less if you get the Sport model) then the outgoing EX Accord, but look at the torque number (which is much more important for a 0-anything pull).

2013 4cyl: 181tq
2012 EX 4cyl: 161tq

Second, the CVT keeps the motor in the optimal powerband all the time, something the 5AT could not do.


Now, exactly how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
so 20 ft-lb of extra torque give it half second boost in 0-60mph over the previous version.
V6 Accord has only 252 ft-lb of torque. RLX will be some where above 400 ft-lb of electric torque which is not the same as reqular torque.. and combine that with SH-AWD setup, 7 DCT, summer performance tires. It is essentially a supercar.

just give example two motor Accord hybrid Phev produces. 200 combine bhp from 2.0L engine but torque output make it stronger than 2.4L engine.
RLX is 3 motor hybrid with DCT transmission.
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2012/...da_accord.html
Thanks to the extra power from the electric motor, the PHEV was a little more fun to drive than the standard four-cylinder Accord
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Oh, so no one has gotten figures for a the V6-6 Accord on summer tires, you say? Then lets find a car to compare to that was on all seasons, shall we?

Turning to Motortrend, since Im comparing results seen by the same people to keep variables to a minimum, reached 60 in 4.7s in the F30 335i on Continental summer tires (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...st_test/?ti=v2). Yet, as you can see in the video below, the F30 335i on Pirelli all-seasons hit 60 in 4.9s. Thats 7/10ths of a second faster then the V6-6 Accord.

Tire brand/type at 1:44
0-60 time at 2:58


How a BMW came into this conversation, I don't know. But one thing I am certain of is that you are incredibly dense. If you want to continue talking about the supercar that is the RLX, lets take it to the appropriate thread.
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I like the electric design the most. Every one testing it says it feel stronger than standard 4 cylinder model.

http://inhabitat.com/test-drive-2014...car-for-today/



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Oh, so no one has gotten figures for a the V6-6 Accord on summer tires, you say? Then lets find a car to compare to that was on all seasons, shall we?

Turning to Motortrend, since Im comparing results seen by the same people to keep variables to a minimum, reached 60 in 4.7s in the F30 335i on Continental summer tires (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...st_test/?ti=v2). Yet, as you can see in the video below, the F30 335i on Pirelli all-seasons hit 60 in 4.9s. Thats 7/10ths of a second faster then the V6-6 Accord.

Tire brand/type at 1:44
0-60 time at 2:58

http://youtu.be/Nr3YrHMuLgw

How a BMW came into this conversation, I don't know. But one thing I am certain of is that you are incredibly dense. If you want to continue talking about the supercar that is the RLX, lets take it to the appropriate thread.
As i said wait untill C&D put 6MT test result for Accord Coupe even wtih all seaon setup. 252 ft-lb of V6 Accord will be faster than 300 ft-lb of 335.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...st_test/?ti=v2
Launching the 335i is a simple matter of turning traction control off, holding the brake while waiting for the tach needle to swing past 2000 rpm, and letting go

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz29rcRbTXm
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
As i said wait untill C&D put 6MT test result for Accord Coupe even wtih all seaon setup. 252 ft-lb of V6 Accord will be faster than 300 ft-lb of 335.
Whatever helps you sleep at night...
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As i said wait untill C&D put 6MT test result for Accord Coupe even wtih all seaon setup. 252 ft-lb of V6 Accord will be faster than 300 ft-lb of 335.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Whatever helps you sleep at night...
Accord Coupe V6 6MT 2008. matches 0-120mph time of 2012 BMW 335 MT. as different electronic transmission like 6AT/8AT/DCT makes difference. but manual is practically same skill set applied.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-coupe-v-6.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...april-2012.pdf
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^ no it doesn't. Unless I am reading it wrong the 335i is 6/10ths faster. That's putting a bus length or two on the Accord. In fact using the data you provided the 3er is faster to 100 by 6/10ths as well so it maintained its lead.

It also says you can't launch the Accord, because well it's FWD and offers next to no traction.

I love the trolling
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Accord has 235/45/18 all seaon setup with airpressure 32/32.
335 has performance tires with rear only 35 x-section with airpressure
35/38.
As i said both are not equally setup interms of tires and airpressure. and still Accord catch it at 0-120mph after initial slow start. This Accord is only 271bhp. the newer with 278bhp and better tire setup should pass BMW 335.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Accord Coupe V6 6MT 2008. matches 0-120mph time of 2012 BMW 335 MT
No it doesn't. Using your links the Accord is 6/10ths behind the 3er. In a real world perspective that's almost two bus lengths
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As i said wait untill C&D put 6MT test result for Accord Coupe even wtih all seaon setup. 252 ft-lb of V6 Accord will be faster than 300 ft-lb of 335.
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Accord has 235/45/18 all seaon setup with airpressure 32/32.
335 has performance tires with rear only 35 x-section with airpressure
35/38.
As i said both are not equally setup interms of tires and airpressure
. and still Accord catch it at 0-120mph after initial slow start. This Accord is only 271bhp. the newer with 278bhp and better tire setup should pass BMW 335.
How do you say "backpedal" in Cantonese, that's your home language right?

These are stock to stock set ups, you just contradicted yourself and proved yourself wrong with your own data! Stop your nonsense you are the BaucE of Auto news with your rhetoric.

Will you self-ban and stop posting and trying to troll us if the RLX doesn't post a 0-60 time better than 4.9?
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Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
No it doesn't. Using your links the Accord is 6/10ths behind the 3er. In a real world perspective that's almost two bus lengths



How do you say "backpedal" in Cantonese, that's your home language right?

These are stock to stock set ups, you just contradicted yourself and proved yourself wrong with your own data! Stop your nonsense you are the BaucE of Auto news with your rhetoric.

Will you self-ban and stop posting and trying to troll us if the RLX doesn't post a 0-60 time better than 4.9?
Stock BMW does not come with performance tires and 19inch rims. It is an option to buy. the same option like HFP package for Accord coupe. so stop making excuse of stock vs stock comparision.

This is HFP package. it lowers the car with better grip tires. and we are comparing 2008 Accord (lunched in summer of 2007 ) with 2012 BMW.

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How do you say backpedal in Cantonese? When does your H1 Visa expire? What is your immigration status and why didn't you choose Canada? Can you relocate to BC using I-5N in your TSX? You'll probably out accelerate any 328i you dare race. Is self-Darwinating something you are willing to consider?

How about coupe vs. coupe Honda Accord HPT vs. 335is?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s-coupe-review

As i said wait untill C&D put 6MT test result for Accord Coupe even wtih all seaon setup. 252 ft-lb of V6 Accord will be faster than 300 ft-lb of 335
That's what you said. Even with all season set up it is faster. You provided your own results which proved your claim wrong.

So instead you are here to deflect, change the story and fucking off to something new. Now we went on to HFP... Come off it.

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Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.5 (2.7 w/TC on)
0-45 (sec): 4.0 (4.4 w/TC on)
0-60 (sec): 6.0 (6.6 w/TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.7 (6.3 w/TC on)
0-75 (sec): 8.4 (8.8 w/TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 14.1 @ 100.0 (14.4 @ 99.8)
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-v6-coupe.html
Looks like those larger wider tires aren't doing your World Beating Accord any favors.

Now the 335is...
As it turns out, BMW seems to have notably underestimated more than the horsepower stats. BMW claims the 2011 BMW 335is Coupe with its standard six-speed manual transmission will get to 60 mph from a standstill in 5.1 seconds. That's quick. But when we compared a 2007 BMW 335i Coupe to an Infiniti G37 coupe, the BMW posted a 0-60-mph run of 4.8 seconds. That's quicker. Until we get a 335is on our test track in California, all we can say for absolutely certain is that the 335is will be the quickest 2011 3 Series that doesn't wear an M badge
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-seri...rst-drive.html

Edmunds to Edmunds....

Could it be ground clearance? What about side mirror aerodynamics? How about vent designs on the navigation? Those all have monumental effects on 0-60 magazine racing times!
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Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
How do you say backpedal in Cantonese? When does your H1 Visa expire? What is your immigration status and why didn't you choose Canada? Can you relocate to BC using I-5N in your TSX? You'll probably out accelerate any 328i you date race. Is self-Darwinating something you are willing to consider?

How about coupe vs. coupe Honda Accord HPT vs. 335is?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s-coupe-review



That's what you said. Even with all season set up it is faster. You provided your own results which proved your claim wrong.

So instead you are here to deflect, change the story and fucking off to something new. Now we went on to HPT... Come off it.
Because BMW coupe is even more modified 54inch height.
tire x-section is further down to series 30. tire pressure is 38/45.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...quick-test.pdf
what need to be done is stock BMW 335 6MT with 6MT Accord stock. both on 235/45/18 all seaon setup with same tire pressure.
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Because BMW coupe is even more modified 54inch height.
tire x-section is further down to series 30. tire pressure is 38/45.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...quick-test.pdf
what need to be done is stock BMW 335 6MT with 6MT Accord stock. both on 235/45/18 all seaon setup with same tire pressure.
Backpedaling... your legs must be tired. Your fingers sure aren't.

Will you self-Darwinate if the RLX doesn't post a 0-60 time of better than 4.9?
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Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-v6-coupe.html
Looks like those larger wider tires aren't doing your World Beating Accord any favors.

Now the 335is...

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-seri...rst-drive.html

Edmunds to Edmunds....

Could it be ground clearance? What about side mirror aerodynamics? How about vent designs on the navigation? Those all have monumental effects on 0-60 magazine racing times!
Edmunds didnot provide any data about airpressue and they have problem in there result as HFP coupe quater mile is slower than standard coupe.
http://www.insideline.com/honda/acco...ima-coupe.html
The Altima made it first to 60 mph in 6.2 seconds, while the Accord trailed by a tenth of a second at 6.3 seconds. Once the quarter-mile arrived, the Accord had inched ahead with a run of 14.6 seconds at 101.6 mph, as the Altima trailed behind with an effort of 14.7 seconds at 99.2 mph.
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0-45 (sec): 4.0 (4.4 w/TC on)
0-60 (sec): 6.0 (6.6 w/TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.7 (6.3 w/TC on)
0-75 (sec): 8.4 (8.8 w/TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 14.1 @ 100.0 (14.4 @ 99.8)
So HFP coupe started faster than standard but at quater mile it become slower than standard coupe. as i said Edmunds do make mistakes. they did with fuel mpg on couple of tests.
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SSFTSX pro tip: If your claims are proved wrong by evidence you provide yourself, change the rules and then say both cars need a similar set up.

Anyone in the motherfucking real world would never consider a dog shit Accord Coupe V6 6MT HFP against a 335i let alone a 335is. It's not a comparison. In SSFTSX's world of RLXs killing M5s, S6s even fucking Veyrons and F1 cars the Accord can surely go up against a 335is, only if they have the same set up in tires

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Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
Backpedaling... your legs must be tired. Your fingers sure aren't.

Will you self-Darwinate if the RLX doesn't post a 0-60 time of better than 4.9?
TL-SH-AWD already achieved 0-60 in 5.2 second with all season setup. with 32/32 air pressure. There is no 333 ft-lb of low end torque like S4 either.
There is still no 30 x-section performance tires on Acura for proper extreme testing also. Even the HFP Accord coupe is 40 X-section.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...test-sheet.pdf
RLX with tremedous electric torque and super fast DCT will be rocket from the start.
Old 10-20-2012, 04:31 PM
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SSFTSX pro tip #2: insert random picture that has slight relevance to topic at hand.


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Old 10-20-2012, 04:55 PM
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:44 PM
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SSFTSX - Do you realize the two PDFs you posted show different track temps? That is the ultimate variable, and you want to complain about tire cross section??

I think the comparo that he really wants to see is to swap the J35Z3 into the 335 along with the FWD drivetrain, suspension, tires, interior......then compare them
Old 10-20-2012, 06:04 PM
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The 335i could be heat soaking, suffered a fuel pump failure, in limp mode with my 4'10 asian mother driving and missed 2nd and 3rd gear because she was too busy cussing at me in Tagalog on her phone starting in reverse since she wasn't paying attention and it would still beat that dog shit HFP Accord coupe/oil tanker.

Who the fuck would actually compare the two?
Old 10-20-2012, 06:10 PM
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SSFTSX. Why? Because the Accord is the benchmark of automotive perfection.

Unless we're talking about the TSX.

Or an Audi.

What day is it? Oh, right, tomorrow he'll be riding Hyundais nuts
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dafuq is going on here
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I agree with SSFTSX. He posts pictures, I like pictures.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:05 AM
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I have to admit that I'm excited for the new Accord. I also have to admit that I came up on a semi carrying a load of new cars this morning and as I approached from the rear, I thought for sure they were new Genesis sedans.

Nope
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^ how dare you get back on topic


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