Sarlacc

Thats funny because I feel like the 8th gen accord feels cheap and thin compared to the build quality of the 7th gen accord (in-laws lease(d)) one of each...obviously they no longer have the 7th gen which was a SE-V6...they now have a LX 4cyl. The 4cyl is impressive, thats about it. I drive/drove them regularly. When ever we leave the kiddos, I leave the car with the car seats and take the accord.

F23A4

I had an the 07 EX-L V6 navi for three years and have had the 12 EX K24Z3 for nearly a year to date. (Actually sitting in the latter right now as i make this post on my iphone).

Honestly, the build quality in the 12 has been better than that of the 07.....latter having had two bad window regulators and a bad coil within the first year. (But pretty solid thereafter.). And there was always this knocking sound that occurred @ WOT! (As in floor it and then KNOCK!) Coincidentally, both are last year models for their respective generations.

That said, neither my 12 and 07 feel as solidly built as my old 99, which is currently in the family and running strong in its push towards 300k.

civicdrivr

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Same here. We had 3 7Gs in the family, and they all felt better then the 8G. I looked at her like she was crazy when she mentioned how cheap the 9G felt. I really need to make some time to check it out. I've been seeing a lot of them on the road lately and they look really good.

Sarlacc

Neither the 7G or the 8G has had any quality issues, So I guess lucky there.

I meant quality of materials, design. The 7g had nicer materials, and better design...the 8g is all hard plastic and huge knobs and GIANT buttons.

SSFTSX

two accords side by side. TSX has much bigger road presence.

TSX69

Sarlacc

Ive seen two fusions on the road now...they are eye catchers for sure, real nice.

I want one with custom plates that read FRD MRTN

Sarlacc

God those 3 nerds were annoying

F23A4

Understood and honestly, both fall short of my 99 Accord in this area.

with the observation on the Fusion. Even my wife -- who'd never consider a non-Cadillac domestic -- is floored by the Fusion's styling.

Sarlacc

Yeah I hold the bar to my old 89 Accord and 89 Prelude.

Sure the materials weren't super fancy...but they were solid interior with no thin walled plastic, and they held up to the test of time.

Even my wife's 2000 civic (which we really need to sell) is just more solid.

oonowindoo

Can someone get me the pricing for Euro 3 Series vs. Euro Civic? so i can call BS on this one?

oonowindoo

Let me tell you, your mom is in denial and trying to justify her 8gen is better.

it is human nature like my car is always better than yours even tho it is not. *ahem* SSFXXXXXXXX

the new accord fit and finish and "door" are much much better than previous gen.

This coming from a guy who hated every product from Acura since 2003 so i am unbiased

civicdrivr

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I doubt she's trying to justify her purchase as she absolutely hates her 8G. Shes been looking for a new car for about a year now. Earlier in the day she test drove a G37, so maybe that has something to do with her thoughts on the 9G.

civicdrivr

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The base 3 series starts at £24,800, while the Civic EX GT 1.8 VTEC manual (top of the line model) starts at £24,735. From each companies UK site.

SSFTSX

EX GT Civic has leather seats, HID, and navigation. but it has 1.8L old gasoline engine that is no efficient.
316d has 2000 cc advanced twin turbo diesel engine with run flat tires.(almost twice expensive as regular), rear ventilated brakes, cruise control with brake function, heated windscreen washer.
when you look at content they balance out as your paying higher tax and higher fuel due to less advanced engine in Civic.

TSX69

5 Things Any Business Can Learn from the Honda Accord

When it comes to automobiles, the only thing that's certain is that nobody stays on top forever. The Ford Taurus was the king of the 80s, but sales and what Ford considered "brand fatigue" put the mighty model on hold for several years. Toyota was unstoppable up until the point when many of their cars failed to stop, causing recall turmoils that the company is still fighting today. The Mustang was amazing in the 60s, fell for the gas trap changes in the late 70s, returned to muscle in a compact form in the 80s, went weird in the 90s, and finally turned itself back towards its roots in the modern versions.

The Honda Accord seems to be the only model that refuses to fail. For 3 decades, Honda has held consistently high sales, ratings, and standards for the vehicle. It's the epitome of steady, yet is able to maintain a spot at the top of the family sedan segment.

Businesses can learn a lot about longevity from the way the Accord has operated as a product over the years. Here are 5 things to keep in mind with just about any product you're launching or considering changing:

Spread Changes Out Over Time

From any given year to the next, the changes that are made to the next model of the Honda Accord are often subtle. Some would call it - "if it ain't broke..." mentality. Still, the automotive industry is one that is constantly changing, so improvements must always be flowing.

Honda has been masterful at letting the changes and improvement roll out at a steady pace. Even body style changes from generation to generation are rarely dramatic with a couple of exceptions. They don't shake people up the way that Ford did when they unveiled "the egg" variation of the Taurus.

Follow the Trends Cautiously

Honda doesn't jump on the latest and greatest fad. They meticulously research it and have never adopted an attitude of "done is better than perfect". On the contrary, they would rather perfect a new technology or confirm that a trend will stick before releasing it. Some have viewed this as a weakness such as when they fell behind on rolling out a hybrid, but now that it's available it's as popular as any of its competitors.

Time the Major Changes Properly

In 30 years they've had nine generations of Accords. That's approximately once every 4th year. People like change, but they don't like to be overwhelmed by it. Every generation since the 1st has been successful, but they don't wait around for people to get tired of a body style before rolling out the next.

Think of it like Goldilocks. Not too hot. Not too cold. Just right.

Market with Class

You will never find a loud add for the Accord. They have built a reputation for smart style and even smarter function and their marketing has never been designed to shock or attack. They might throw out the occasional statistic that highlights their product over others. They might push out information about the awards they won. They never go for the short term gains that many of their competitors see through obnoxious advertising or marketing.

Quality 1st

They know their buyers. People who buy a Honda Accord rarely do so because it's the best looking or fastest vehicle in its class. They do so because they've built a reputation for quality. You should never say never, but it's hard to imagine a Honda Accord that gets poor quality ratings. They top out on reliability, safety, and overall feel.

* * *

Let's take a look back at the 1st 3 decades of the Honda Accord. This infographic which comes to us via a San Jose Honda Dealer breaks down the history of this proud model of cars.

Legend2TL

Haven't driven on yet either but the 9G looks like the best Accord ever in terms of build and material quality from the EX I looked over in the showroom. I've been driving and working on them since the early 80's. The only reservation I have is the front MacPherson suspension, and the rest of the car makes up for that. All the reviews look pretty impressive for the ride and handling.

I didn't care for the 8G in quality of look and feel of materials and components in the cabin but the 9G is extremely nice.
My dad recently had a 6G SE and several neighbors have 7G and 8G, the 9G beats them all easily.

oonowindoo

Probably. the G37 Door feel is much more solid than accord as expected.

G37S Sedan is a good choice for her.. and they are super cheap right now.

majin ssj eric

I didn't like the nintendo-quality graphics on the small touch screen when I sat in one. Really cheap looking and feeling...

biker

^ That's a nice graphic with the specs and changes with the various gens.

phile

do we have a separate CrossTour thread? anywho, updated version:

http://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2013-crosstour/

interior update is really good, I like all that plood. they tidied up the snout too, it's not as hefty looking.

F23A4

While having the Accord serviced, I had the chance to look at a loaded Crosstour on the floor. As nauseating as the exterior styling is, I love the interior....and the adaptation of the 9G Accord's dashboard definitely enhances it in the 13 model.

biker

That's the thing, how many people will excuse that exterior?

00TL-P3.2

Saw another in the wild today on the way in to the office.
I'm guessing EX 4cyl, had the keyless button on the ext door handle & single exhaust.

Still liking it a lot, though I almost mistook it for a 2012 Avalon from the rear when it was still a little way away on the feeder rd.

Still haven't had a chance to stop by & drive one yet. I can see the local Honda dealer from my office window.

SatinSilverAV6

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I found this video on youtube of a Stock 2013 Honda Accord EX V6 Coupe 6AT dyno test by bisimoto. Pretty impressive numbers! Enjoy! 246whp and 224wtq. Definitely underrated by Honda!

civicdrivr

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Nice. The 6AT puts down just as much power as the 8G V6-6.

VTEC Racer

Nice. The engine probably isn't even broken-in yet.

Timmy18

Here are some more Video's of the 2013 Accord I found (Check their other videos for more and sub for updates -- I did).

V6 Coupe

V6 Sedan

V6 Sedan Drive bye (1st gear wheel spin, 2ng gear chirp(?)!!)

4cyl Sedan Sport CVT Sport Shifting 0-60

4cyl Sedan Sport CVT Normal mode 0-60

4cyl Sedan Sport POV drive (0-80, 60-0 40-70 pass ect..)

Accord Sedan Sport dyno by Temple Of VTEC.

Over all I'm impressed with the CVT. I think if Honda made the virtual gears slightly different form each other it would make it less boring but still sounds better than constant RPM. (1st as is, 2nd kinda long to dip into the peak torque at 3,900, 3rd slightly shorter than 2nd, 4th short, 5th short, 6th kinda long, 7 like 6th) But then again its still only a CVT and Honda done very well as it is! I'm sure the way they have it set it is the fastest and less wear and tear way for acceleration.

As for the 6AT, I noticed in 1st gear under heavy acceleration it shifts around 6,500 (200 from red line) and isnt as quick as the 6AT or 5AT in other Honda's and in 2nd gear it runs till about 7,100 till it shifts. (I like that! haha) But this is still the break in period and TQ converter may not be worked in full yet. Though when it did shift into 2nd it kinda bounced like it does in the CVT. Like it was slipping. Still, the cars are in their break in periods still and shouldn't be put though these conditions to often. (Who cares, its a Honda, they love this!! Doesn't effect them at all!) As for downshifting in the 6AT its pretty clean and quick. Responsive but not as responsive as the 5AT or 6AT in the TL for example. You can tell Honda mapped the 6AT for economy on the majority but not as bad as other manufactures. The CVT when 'downshifting' or flooring it sounds like a dying AT from the 2nd Gen TL and 6th gen Accord though. Revvs rise and lower repeatedly till they kinda settle and rise again.

Anyway, hope you all enjoy! Don't forget to Share!!!

Notes:
Earth Dreams CVT and 6AT
K24W1 189HP/ 185LB-FT
J35Y1 278HP/ 252LB-FT

F23A4

With that 33lb-ft advantage, the ED 2.4L has a much better power delivery than the K24Z3 in my 12 Accord.

Timmy18

True, but I'm sure your K24Z breathes alot better on the high end compared with the new ED K24W. Still its restricted by the integrated exhaust headers but RV6 came out with a Bell-Mouth down pipe for it that gave a 13HP increase. The K24W makes its peak Twist @ 3,900RPMs while the K24Z made it at 4,400RPMs. Still nothing can breathe like the K24A with it's peak Twist at 4,500RPMs.

K24A2 (06-08 TSX) - 205HP @ 7,100rpms & 164LB-FT @ 4,500rpms. i-VTEC: 5,900rpms.
K24Z7 (09-13 TSX) - 201HP @ 7,000rpms & 172LB-FT @ 4,400rpms. i-VTEC 6,000rpms.
k24W1 (13+ Accord) - 189HP @ 6,400rpms & 185LB-FT @ 3,900rpms. i-VTEC 5,500rpms.

You could argue the K24Z has the best of both worlds, but I beg to differ. I like the K24A2 More than any of the engines, but it has it set backs as well as its advantages with it wide range of aftermarket parts, shared with the K20A2 and k23A1- Turbo.

But I'm not going place my bets yet, its hard to judge what this new K24W1 really has in store to offer. Hopping everything opens up quickly and that its not much of a let down.

But things are dim as the K24Z has been snooping around since late 2008, and we just now got Hondata support and a effective down pipe. Its not clear how long it will take for the goods to come out for the K24W1, but what is clear is that Honda and the EPA are tightening their grip on aftermarket tuning with their products.

civicdrivr

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I dont think Id ever get used to a CVT at WOT

crazyasiantl

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+1, id be afraid i was reliving my 2G slipping tranny days

F23A4

link?

EL19

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Thats hub HP, not wheel. Still good numbers

civicdrivr

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IIRC the numbers that Church Automotive got on the 8G V6-6 were hub hp as well.

Moog-Type-S

Finally saw one on the road.

Caught it from the rear....my first thought: It's a Genesis....wait....looks a bit odd.....well what-ya know, it's an Accord.

She's a big girl, in person.

iforyou

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Here's what Shawn Church from Church Automotive said:
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...age_id=1112833

KillerG

Seen two in person and i gotta say these are quite eye catching in person and really do look very awesome

Honda did good

00TL-P3.2

There's a silver one in the lot at my office. EX I'm guessing, not sure if I4 or V6 though.
Nice looking car for sure.

Timmy18

Wiki.. :P Other Dyno Video's.. (Multiple on YouTube) and over the years i took note to Honda's and Acura's engines from their websites.