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07-27-2003, 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
we have way to many critics here, they don't know a good thing when they see it
we have way to many critics here, they don't know a good thing when they see it
...and while I am grateful for the pics, they aren't the best quality. You can't judge a car from pics. I remember seeing pics of the TSX and some made it look quite unflattering and even the best pics didn't really do it justice IMO.
07-27-2003, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
How sure are you of that? I'm fairly certain it was year 2004, a model year wouldn't make sense
How sure are you of that? I'm fairly certain it was year 2004, a model year wouldn't make sense
The law requires tire pressure monitors to come standard on all cars sold in the United States beginning with the 2004 model year.
Here is a link to the
Tire Pressure Monitor story.
Let me know if you interpret it the same way.
07-27-2003, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
+/- (Sport Shift) lets you start in 2nd and everytime you stop it drops to 2nd, not 1st
+/- (Sport Shift) lets you start in 2nd and everytime you stop it drops to 2nd, not 1st
07-27-2003, 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by PokeyD16Z
Since when is this the case? Thats pretty absurd. Most cars I've driven with the sport shift drops to 1st and starts in 1st.
Since when is this the case? Thats pretty absurd. Most cars I've driven with the sport shift drops to 1st and starts in 1st.
07-27-2003, 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Here is an excerpt from an article regarding the monitors.
The law requires tire pressure monitors to come standard on all cars sold in the United States beginning with the 2004 model year.
Here is a link to the
Tire Pressure Monitor story.
Let me know if you interpret it the same way.
Here is an excerpt from an article regarding the monitors.
The law requires tire pressure monitors to come standard on all cars sold in the United States beginning with the 2004 model year.
Here is a link to the
Tire Pressure Monitor story.
Let me know if you interpret it the same way.
http://www.iberkshires.com/automotive/story5671.html
this one says the 2004 model year:
http://www.atxtechnologies.com/vrm/t...ns_monitor.asp
and to make it even more confusing:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...sum.html?name=
I guess we just wait and see
07-27-2003, 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Here is an excerpt from an article regarding the monitors.
The law requires tire pressure monitors to come standard on all cars sold in the United States beginning with the 2004 model year.
Here is a link to the
Tire Pressure Monitor story.
Let me know if you interpret it the same way.
Here is an excerpt from an article regarding the monitors.
The law requires tire pressure monitors to come standard on all cars sold in the United States beginning with the 2004 model year.
Here is a link to the
Tire Pressure Monitor story.
Let me know if you interpret it the same way.
07-27-2003, 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Since the RSX at least. It drops to 1st and starts in 1st, but if you start in 2nd (which you can by pushing it up before driving) it will drop back into 2nd when you stop and start there again until you put it back into 1st from a stop
Since the RSX at least. It drops to 1st and starts in 1st, but if you start in 2nd (which you can by pushing it up before driving) it will drop back into 2nd when you stop and start there again until you put it back into 1st from a stop
07-27-2003, 02:55 PM
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Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by need4spd
I have attached a photo of the 2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP whose nose looks very similar to the 2004 Acura TL (just add the dealer installed fog lights, and it will be even closer).
I mentioned this in a previous post and promised a photo (this is the first time attaching a photo, so lets see what happens). This car was first shown at the 2002 SEMA and NY Auto Shows (vs 2003 for Acura), so it has been out there and Acura had time to correct simmalarities
Looking closely at the nose, it has very similar styling lines:
1. the bottom inlets at the sides with no center bottom inlet (pontiac molded into front at that spot)
2. the bumper lines that start low at the center, and rise at the corners,
3. The wrap around head light cluster with amber lens parking lights that wrap around the corner.
4. Smooth, high wrap around bumper to front fenders.
5. double kidnney gril that has overall 5 star look like Acura.
6. character lines that follow the outline of the gril up the hood
7. 18" 5 spoke wheels with brembos (235/50-18 appropriately sized in diameter btw)
Ok, after that the styling cues end (and it is a GM), but in the rear view mirror of the car ahead, or when passing by, the two will get confused.
Way to go ACURA, create your own brand identy and copy a PONTIAC front end (complete with the cheesey molded in ACURA in the bumper).
Other similarites are minor, ie HP on the GXP is 275 estimated (data per pontiac web site as of news release 7/1/03), torque 300ft-lbs, V-8 (4.4L variant of the 4.6 Northstar) 202.2" lenght (much longer).
Anyway, you get the drift, the FRONT NOSE on the ACURA TL, while good looking and agressive, looks too close to the Bonneville GXP (other Bonnevilles will be similar to this nose, but slightly differnt in the lower air intakes).
Sorry to break the news, but someone had to speak up on this!
Larger image available at: http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW...tage/9car0.jpg
I have attached a photo of the 2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP whose nose looks very similar to the 2004 Acura TL (just add the dealer installed fog lights, and it will be even closer).
I mentioned this in a previous post and promised a photo (this is the first time attaching a photo, so lets see what happens). This car was first shown at the 2002 SEMA and NY Auto Shows (vs 2003 for Acura), so it has been out there and Acura had time to correct simmalarities
Looking closely at the nose, it has very similar styling lines:
1. the bottom inlets at the sides with no center bottom inlet (pontiac molded into front at that spot)
2. the bumper lines that start low at the center, and rise at the corners,
3. The wrap around head light cluster with amber lens parking lights that wrap around the corner.
4. Smooth, high wrap around bumper to front fenders.
5. double kidnney gril that has overall 5 star look like Acura.
6. character lines that follow the outline of the gril up the hood
7. 18" 5 spoke wheels with brembos (235/50-18 appropriately sized in diameter btw)
Ok, after that the styling cues end (and it is a GM), but in the rear view mirror of the car ahead, or when passing by, the two will get confused.
Way to go ACURA, create your own brand identy and copy a PONTIAC front end (complete with the cheesey molded in ACURA in the bumper).
Other similarites are minor, ie HP on the GXP is 275 estimated (data per pontiac web site as of news release 7/1/03), torque 300ft-lbs, V-8 (4.4L variant of the 4.6 Northstar) 202.2" lenght (much longer).
Anyway, you get the drift, the FRONT NOSE on the ACURA TL, while good looking and agressive, looks too close to the Bonneville GXP (other Bonnevilles will be similar to this nose, but slightly differnt in the lower air intakes).
Sorry to break the news, but someone had to speak up on this!
Larger image available at: http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW...tage/9car0.jpg
So do any of you believe Pontiac will sue Acura since BMW tried to sue GM for "coping the kiddney grill?
07-27-2003, 03:06 PM
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Dunno if this has been posted or not...
For each of the six trim models, these are your color options available:
Abyss Blue Pearl w/ Camel or Quartz interior
Nighthawk Black Pearl w/ Camel, Quartz, Parchment, or Ebony interior
Satin Silver Metallic w/ Quartz or Ebony
Anthracite Metallic w/ Ebony, Camel, Quartz
Redondo Red Pearl w/ Parchment, Camel, Ebony
White Diamond Pearl w/ Quartz, Parchment
Deep Green Pearl w/ Camel, Parchment
Desert Mist Metallic w/ Ebony, Parchment
Pretty nice variety!
Abyss Blue Pearl w/ Camel or Quartz interior
Nighthawk Black Pearl w/ Camel, Quartz, Parchment, or Ebony interior
Satin Silver Metallic w/ Quartz or Ebony
Anthracite Metallic w/ Ebony, Camel, Quartz
Redondo Red Pearl w/ Parchment, Camel, Ebony
White Diamond Pearl w/ Quartz, Parchment
Deep Green Pearl w/ Camel, Parchment
Desert Mist Metallic w/ Ebony, Parchment
Pretty nice variety!
07-27-2003, 03:19 PM
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I know everyone is complaining about the design of the steering wheel, but did anyone notice the bulges just above the top spokes on both sides? I love that! It's the perfect spot to rest your thumbs when gripping the steering wheel. Both Audi and BMW steering wheels have had those on their 3 spoke steering wheels and they seem to really enhance the feeling of sportiness when carving through the twisties. I generally prefer thicker steering wheels found on German cars. 
To each their own I guess.
To each their own I guess.
07-27-2003, 04:28 PM
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Re: Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by Precision Crafted
So do any of you believe Pontiac will sue Acura since BMW tried to sue GM for "coping the kiddney grill?
So do any of you believe Pontiac will sue Acura since BMW tried to sue GM for "coping the kiddney grill?
07-27-2003, 04:36 PM
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Is deposit refundable if test drive fails to meet expectations?
What happens to your deposit if you test drive the '04 TL in October, find out that you don't like it, and decide not to buy the car?
07-27-2003, 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by wiz
IF this was true, for the 2004 model year, then the TSX would have it...wouldn't it?
IF this was true, for the 2004 model year, then the TSX would have it...wouldn't it?
If it is a matter of two months, I will wait on my 04 TL until January. It seems silly for Acura to have a change two months in.
07-27-2003, 04:46 PM
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Re: Dunno if this has been posted or not...
Originally posted by JRock
For each of the six trim models, these are your color options available:
Abyss Blue Pearl w/ Camel or Quartz interior
Nighthawk Black Pearl w/ Camel, Quartz, Parchment, or Ebony interior
Satin Silver Metallic w/ Quartz or Ebony
Anthracite Metallic w/ Ebony, Camel, Quartz
Redondo Red Pearl w/ Parchment, Camel, Ebony
White Diamond Pearl w/ Quartz, Parchment
Deep Green Pearl w/ Camel, Parchment
Desert Mist Metallic w/ Ebony, Parchment
Pretty nice variety!
For each of the six trim models, these are your color options available:
Abyss Blue Pearl w/ Camel or Quartz interior
Nighthawk Black Pearl w/ Camel, Quartz, Parchment, or Ebony interior
Satin Silver Metallic w/ Quartz or Ebony
Anthracite Metallic w/ Ebony, Camel, Quartz
Redondo Red Pearl w/ Parchment, Camel, Ebony
White Diamond Pearl w/ Quartz, Parchment
Deep Green Pearl w/ Camel, Parchment
Desert Mist Metallic w/ Ebony, Parchment
Pretty nice variety!
07-27-2003, 04:51 PM
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Re: Is deposit refundable if test drive fails to meet expectations?
Originally posted by Peter7777
What happens to your deposit if you test drive the '04 TL in October, find out that you don't like it, and decide not to buy the car?
What happens to your deposit if you test drive the '04 TL in October, find out that you don't like it, and decide not to buy the car?
But seriously, it's a refundable deposit. If you put it on a credit card (the easiest way to do it) we just refund it back onto your card.
I was supposed to see VTECMW today to have him put down a deposit but for whatever reason he didn't show up. Look forward to seeing him soon.
Time to head home...
07-27-2003, 06:29 PM
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Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by need4spd
3. The wrap around head light cluster with amber lens parking lights that wrap around the corner.
6. character lines that follow the outline of the gril up the hood
3. The wrap around head light cluster with amber lens parking lights that wrap around the corner.
6. character lines that follow the outline of the gril up the hood
amber on the corner, where they are REQUIRED by law!?!?! no way!!!!!!!!!!!
character line that runs up the hood, that is ridiculous, all cars have that.
edit, i forgot to add more about the two air inlets on the bumper. the g35 coupe has those as well.
07-27-2003, 07:04 PM
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Staged by AHM? Doubt it!
Just spoke to my buddy at Petersen Publishing, the press was invited to Seattle for a early press preview of the TL. There were actually 6 or more of these TLs floating around Seattle for 2 days. The press is embargoed to report on the TL until September 1.
I think "Lycos" either works at the hotel or got lucky in being at the right place at the right time. You can see the car carrier transport in front of the TL in a few shots. The chrome doors are closed in one and the doors are open in the rear view shot ready for the car to be driven into the truck, hence keys inside and car running.
The guy standing by the car looks like a hotel employee (wearing name tag) not an AHM employee.
I think "Lycos" either works at the hotel or got lucky in being at the right place at the right time. You can see the car carrier transport in front of the TL in a few shots. The chrome doors are closed in one and the doors are open in the rear view shot ready for the car to be driven into the truck, hence keys inside and car running.
The guy standing by the car looks like a hotel employee (wearing name tag) not an AHM employee.
07-27-2003, 07:12 PM
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Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by need4spd
I have attached a photo of the 2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP whose nose looks very similar to the 2004 Acura TL (just add the dealer installed fog lights, and it will be even closer).
Ok, after that the styling cues end (and it is a GM), but in the rear view mirror of the car ahead, or when passing by, the two will get confused.
Other similarites are minor, ie HP on the GXP is 275 estimated (data per pontiac web site as of news release 7/1/03), torque 300ft-lbs, V-8 (4.4L variant of the 4.6 Northstar) 202.2" lenght (much longer).
Anyway, you get the drift, the FRONT NOSE on the ACURA TL, while good looking and agressive, looks too close to the Bonneville GXP (other Bonnevilles will be similar to this nose, but slightly differnt in the lower air intakes).
Sorry to break the news, but someone had to speak up on this!
I have attached a photo of the 2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP whose nose looks very similar to the 2004 Acura TL (just add the dealer installed fog lights, and it will be even closer).
Ok, after that the styling cues end (and it is a GM), but in the rear view mirror of the car ahead, or when passing by, the two will get confused.
Other similarites are minor, ie HP on the GXP is 275 estimated (data per pontiac web site as of news release 7/1/03), torque 300ft-lbs, V-8 (4.4L variant of the 4.6 Northstar) 202.2" lenght (much longer).
Anyway, you get the drift, the FRONT NOSE on the ACURA TL, while good looking and agressive, looks too close to the Bonneville GXP (other Bonnevilles will be similar to this nose, but slightly differnt in the lower air intakes).
Sorry to break the news, but someone had to speak up on this!
You might be surprised that the inspiration for the new Acura look came from an unlikely source:
I mentioned this in a previous post and promised a photo (this is the first time attaching a photo, so lets see what happens). This car was first shown at the 2002 SEMA and NY Auto Shows (vs 2003 for Acura), so it has been out there and Acura had time to correct simmalarities
07-27-2003, 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by jwaters943
Agreed!
...and while I am grateful for the pics, they aren't the best quality. You can't judge a car from pics. I remember seeing pics of the TSX and some made it look quite unflattering and even the best pics didn't really do it justice IMO.
Agreed!
...and while I am grateful for the pics, they aren't the best quality. You can't judge a car from pics. I remember seeing pics of the TSX and some made it look quite unflattering and even the best pics didn't really do it justice IMO.
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07-27-2003, 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Lycos works for AHM, they had him post these pics because they knew we were dying over here. Also, they wanted to get our initial reaction in case there is anything to tweak right before large-scale production. Why else was he allowed to get so close to the car, including one shot virtually inside the car, with all those guys standing around. And notice the images are different sizes, and purposefully low-res so we can't make out too many (interior) details. Just a thought to put away with all my other conspiracy theories, but I don't think I believe what I just said. Lycos seems geniune, although he does seem to have disappeared...
Lycos works for AHM, they had him post these pics because they knew we were dying over here
. Also, they wanted to get our initial reaction in case there is anything to tweak right before large-scale production. Why else was he allowed to get so close to the car, including one shot virtually inside the car, with all those guys standing around. And notice the images are different sizes, and purposefully low-res so we can't make out too many (interior) details. Just a thought to put away with all my other conspiracy theories, but I don't think I believe what I just said. Lycos seems geniune, although he does seem to have disappeared...
I'm baaaaaaaaack. AHM employee
:P People,.....I have a life, and have to get away from my computer for the weekend I spent the weekend with my wife and kids. I'm checking through these messages. I think viewing all of these may take more than a few drinks. Amazing amount of traffic.
07-27-2003, 09:16 PM
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Re: Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by iNteGraz92
amber on the corner, where they are REQUIRED by law!?!?! no way!!!!!!!!!!!
character line that runs up the hood, that is ridiculous, all cars have that.
edit, i forgot to add more about the two air inlets on the bumper. the g35 coupe has those as well.
amber on the corner, where they are REQUIRED by law!?!?! no way!!!!!!!!!!!
character line that runs up the hood, that is ridiculous, all cars have that.
edit, i forgot to add more about the two air inlets on the bumper. the g35 coupe has those as well.
Nope, not all cars have the character line, some are flat, or not lined up with the grill.
07-27-2003, 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Lycos
I'm baaaaaaaaack. AHM employee :P People,.....I have a life, and have to get away from my computer for the weekend I spent the weekend with my wife and kids. I'm checking through these messages. I think viewing all of these may take more than a few drinks. Amazing amount of traffic.
I'm baaaaaaaaack. AHM employee
:P People,.....I have a life, and have to get away from my computer for the weekend I spent the weekend with my wife and kids. I'm checking through these messages. I think viewing all of these may take more than a few drinks. Amazing amount of traffic.
So what was the story on the pics? Did you get a lead on the location and head over with the digital camera? I can't believe you didn't jump in and take it for a spin.
07-27-2003, 09:25 PM
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Re: Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by phile
[B
You might be surprised that the inspiration for the new Acura look came from an unlikely source:
The 2nd generation Odyssey came out in 1999 - looks like Pontiac had an extra 3 years to modify that design. Who's copying whom again? As for the similarities in hp - the Pontiac uses a 3.8L V6 that needs to be supercharged to get 275hp. [/B]
[B
You might be surprised that the inspiration for the new Acura look came from an unlikely source:
The 2nd generation Odyssey came out in 1999 - looks like Pontiac had an extra 3 years to modify that design. Who's copying whom again? As for the similarities in hp - the Pontiac uses a 3.8L V6 that needs to be supercharged to get 275hp. [/B]
Actually pontiac had to use a V8 (northstar deboared to 4.4L) couldn't do it with the V6
07-27-2003, 09:52 PM
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Re: Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Pontiac uses a 3.8L V6 that needs to be supercharged to get 275hp. [/B]
yes, we all know what a horrible thing forced induction is
07-27-2003, 10:03 PM
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yes, we all know what a horrible thing forced induction is
yes, we all know what a horrible thing forced induction is
An engine that size shouldn't need forced induction to pump out 275hp. Naturally aspirated, it produces a whopping 205hp and 230 lb-ft of torque.
need4spd - You are correct, the supercharged V6 manages only 260hp, and is not available in the Bonneville, only in the Grand Prix GTP.
07-27-2003, 10:07 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Acura TL nose looks Like Pontiac Bonneville GXP
Originally posted by phile
That's not the point
An engine that size shouldn't need forced induction to pump out 275hp. Naturally aspirated, it produces a whopping 205hp and 230 lb-ft of torque.
need4spd - You are correct, the supercharged V6 manages only 260hp, and is not available in the Bonneville, only in the Grand Prix GTP.
That's not the point
An engine that size shouldn't need forced induction to pump out 275hp. Naturally aspirated, it produces a whopping 205hp and 230 lb-ft of torque.
need4spd - You are correct, the supercharged V6 manages only 260hp, and is not available in the Bonneville, only in the Grand Prix GTP.
They need to defer to other methods to approch high tech engine managment such as Vtech and tuning!
07-27-2003, 10:11 PM
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Acura will be equipping some SUV's with GM V8's, and in exchange, GM will be equipping some of their cars/trucks with Honda V6's. Maybe we'll see some Pontiacs with 275 hp Honda engines?
07-27-2003, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Iceman
Acura will be equipping some SUV's with GM V8's, and in exchange, GM will be equipping some of their cars/trucks with Honda V6's. Maybe we'll see some Pontiacs with 275 hp Honda engines?
Acura will be equipping some SUV's with GM V8's, and in exchange, GM will be equipping some of their cars/trucks with Honda V6's. Maybe we'll see some Pontiacs with 275 hp Honda engines?
07-27-2003, 10:28 PM
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Yeah, the Saturn VUE is getting a 3.5L V6 from Honda. Is that the same one in the Odyssey or Pilot? 0-60 in "about 7 seconds" puts it in TSX territory.
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Originally posted by Iceman
Yup, I would have bought the Vue in April if it had a better engine. I got a TSX instead! 
Yup, I would have bought the Vue in April if it had a better engine. I got a TSX instead!