Acura: RLX News
#2561
Go Big Blue!
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._s4/index.html
I'm sure you've seen this recent comparison of the 2010 TL 6MT vs 2010 Audi S4. From what I've read, it appears to be a tie. Not too shabby IMHO.
MHO.
I'm sure you've seen this recent comparison of the 2010 TL 6MT vs 2010 Audi S4. From what I've read, it appears to be a tie. Not too shabby IMHO.
MHO.
#2563
^why not? it's gone way off topic before.
#2564
2010 TL AWD 6MT: New King
Interesting article. So the TL held it's own very well against the S4. Not sure if that says more about the TL or the S4! I wouldn't want to have been the owner of an S4 reading that article. Thats a hell of a premium for not much more. Even the grill situation isn't much better. Trading one offensive grill for another IMO
On topic, the article just kind of stamps the foot on the RL. Why spend $50k+ on a RL Tech when the TL Tech can be had for $43k, and the TL 6MT is arguably Acura's best performance vehicle thus far?
#2565
Senior Moderator
#2566
Senior Moderator
I never said TL is better than M in ever aspect but TL has more positives than negatives when it is compared to Infiniti M. and TL shortcomings can be rectified in MMC within reasonable price point like under $50K. Acura has already implemeted some of those improvements in ZDX. look at amount of praise on long term TL-SH-AWD at Motortrend. They clearly said Infinti M has none of the handling and braking quality of TL.
Car is well proportioned for 18-19inch rim size.
situtation with Infiniti M is practically hopeless at this price point. It can only be improved when super expensive MB engines are imported to Japan. The car has super size fenders wheel arches that need 20inch rims for styling. At 20inch you can practically forget about handling/ride quality.
Car is well proportioned for 18-19inch rim size.
situtation with Infiniti M is practically hopeless at this price point. It can only be improved when super expensive MB engines are imported to Japan. The car has super size fenders wheel arches that need 20inch rims for styling. At 20inch you can practically forget about handling/ride quality.
I guess Ferrari did it all wrong, because they use 20" wheels. I guess their cars dont handle good
#2567
Go Big Blue!
Personally, I think the G37 comes the closest but it's interior isn't quite as nice IMO or as large. But that ones debatable I agree.
The IS350 seems overpriced to me for what you get. The IS250 is in the price range with the TL but it's WAY underpowered compared to the TL and has less tech than the TL. So unless you REALLY value RWD, it's a much worse value. I speak from experience on this one because I bought a 2009 IS250 for one of my daughters last year and I've driven it many times and twice on a 1+ hr trip. Trust me, it's crap for the price. If you lived with both the TL and IS you wouldn't be saying the TL is overpriced.
And if the TL is overpriced, then what isn't? A 335? An A4? Hmmmm, now theres some real value. Personally, I really can't think of anything much better valued unless you drop down into the high volume brands (Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc.) Down there there are some good cars that come CLOSE to the TL but not really close enough and the dealership experience will be far substandard to what you will get from the step-up brands.
Anyway, that's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. Time to rename this thread?
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#2568
Senior Moderator
I hate to sound like I keep defending the TL, but why do you say it's overpriced? I got a 2010 TL Tech fwd with 18" wheels and a few other accessories in July for $35k. Say what you want about it's grill, it's rear end, etc. But for the size, quality, and features, I'd like you to find many cars (if any) that offer more value. If you have one, give us an example of what you mean.
Personally, I think the G37 comes the closest but it's interior isn't quite as nice IMO or as large. But that ones debatable I agree.
The IS350 seems overpriced to me for what you get. The IS250 is in the price range with the TL but it's WAY underpowered compared to the TL and has less tech than the TL. So unless you REALLY value RWD, it's a much worse value. I speak from experience on this one because I bought a 2009 IS250 for one of my daughters last year and I've driven it many times and twice on a 1+ hr trip. Trust me, it's crap for the price. If you lived with both the TL and IS you wouldn't be saying the TL is overpriced.
And if the TL is overpriced, then what isn't? A 335? An A4? Hmmmm, now theres some real value. Personally, I really can't think of anything much better valued unless you drop down into the high volume brands (Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc.) Down there there are some good cars that come CLOSE to the TL but not really close enough and the dealership experience will be far substandard to what you will get from the step-up brands.
Anyway, that's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. Time to rename this thread?![ugh](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ugh.gif)
Personally, I think the G37 comes the closest but it's interior isn't quite as nice IMO or as large. But that ones debatable I agree.
The IS350 seems overpriced to me for what you get. The IS250 is in the price range with the TL but it's WAY underpowered compared to the TL and has less tech than the TL. So unless you REALLY value RWD, it's a much worse value. I speak from experience on this one because I bought a 2009 IS250 for one of my daughters last year and I've driven it many times and twice on a 1+ hr trip. Trust me, it's crap for the price. If you lived with both the TL and IS you wouldn't be saying the TL is overpriced.
And if the TL is overpriced, then what isn't? A 335? An A4? Hmmmm, now theres some real value. Personally, I really can't think of anything much better valued unless you drop down into the high volume brands (Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc.) Down there there are some good cars that come CLOSE to the TL but not really close enough and the dealership experience will be far substandard to what you will get from the step-up brands.
Anyway, that's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. Time to rename this thread?
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And, I should have said fully loaded. Acura just isnt the Value car they used to be to me. New they have moved out of the price range for me of what id be willing to pay. I looked at one (the only one i would ever consider, the 6 speed) and with every thing it had on it it was just 1200 shy of 50k. For that kind of money id get a CTS-V (used VERY low mileage)
#2569
so there is space for TL to go towards the $50K mark with MMC and possbily Type-S model. after all BMW 5 starts at $44k and ends up at $80K.
There is nothing wrong with TL starting at $35K and ending up at $50K. It would still be bargain for its performance, space,comfort, handling, tech featurres, resale value and reliability.
I guess Ferrari did it all wrong, because they use 20" wheels. I guess their cars dont handle good
look at C&D Midsize comparision test. M37 cost $60k loaded. and handles like $20k Honda Accord family sedan with sound level not of $60k car.
Even with 7speed Auto its fuel economy is not better than 5speed TL-SH-AWD in long range test. even the braking performance is below average. This is called overpriced and under achiever for its class.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...0ed856746b.pdf
http://www.examiner.com/honda-and-ac...cura-tl-sh-awd
The beauty of the Acura TL SH-AWD is that it mixes all of the positive virtues of competitors like the Audi A6 (all wheel drive), BMW 5-Series (sporty steering and handling) and the Lexus GS (refinement) yet you get them all in one far more affordable package. I’d say that the 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD qualifies as the luxury car bargain of the year. Just check out the prices for its competition and you will see what I mean.
The beauty of the Acura TL SH-AWD is that it mixes all of the positive virtues of competitors like the Audi A6 (all wheel drive), BMW 5-Series (sporty steering and handling) and the Lexus GS (refinement) yet you get them all in one far more affordable package. I’d say that the 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD qualifies as the luxury car bargain of the year. Just check out the prices for its competition and you will see what I mean.
#2570
Team Owner
havent seen this many Magazine racers since 2001....
i have seen so many TL AWD on the track cuz they are faster than 335 and G37 and 370Z...
i have seen so many TL AWD on the track cuz they are faster than 335 and G37 and 370Z...
#2571
אני עומד עם ישראל
SSFTSX is the magazine racer for the 21st century....
#2572
I never said TL is better than M in ever aspect but TL has more positives than negatives when it is compared to Infiniti M. and TL shortcomings can be rectified in MMC within reasonable price point like under $50K. Acura has already implemeted some of those improvements in ZDX. look at amount of praise on long term TL-SH-AWD at Motortrend. They clearly said Infinti M has none of the handling and braking quality of TL.
Car is well proportioned for 18-19inch rim size.
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situtation with Infiniti M is practically hopeless at this price point. It can only be improved when super expensive MB engines are imported to Japan. The car has super size fenders wheel arches that need 20inch rims for styling. At 20inch you can practically forget about handling/ride quality.
Car is well proportioned for 18-19inch rim size.
![](http://www.luxematic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/2009-acura-tl-sh-awd-2.png)
situtation with Infiniti M is practically hopeless at this price point. It can only be improved when super expensive MB engines are imported to Japan. The car has super size fenders wheel arches that need 20inch rims for styling. At 20inch you can practically forget about handling/ride quality.
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#2573
Whats up with RDX owners?
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#2574
I can say that SSFTSX NEVER seems to notice being the object on this thread of critics and mockeries from many.
He continues all the time, every day, on his solitary road with his strange assertions (maybe he is a robot?) and nothing seems really to bother him.
He continues all the time, every day, on his solitary road with his strange assertions (maybe he is a robot?) and nothing seems really to bother him.
#2577
Go Big Blue!
Yep. One of two possibilities with SSFTSX. He's either messing with all you guys and you are falling for it, or he truly believes what he believes and is just stating his opinion.
Either way, he doesn't give in to heckling, he explains his reasoning, and he doesn't get personal. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people on here. Spewing out clever one liners all day long that add nothing to the discussion. Those are the people that annoy me more and some of them are moderators
. For me, SSFTSX is easy to deal with. I can read his argument, agree or dismiss it, and move on.
EDIT: Myself included. I try not to spew out one liners without explaining myself, but, I have had less control over my emotions than SSFTSX and have gotten personal at times. Hats off to you SSFTSX. You're a better man than me regardless of whether I share your opinions.
Either way, he doesn't give in to heckling, he explains his reasoning, and he doesn't get personal. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people on here. Spewing out clever one liners all day long that add nothing to the discussion. Those are the people that annoy me more and some of them are moderators
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EDIT: Myself included. I try not to spew out one liners without explaining myself, but, I have had less control over my emotions than SSFTSX and have gotten personal at times. Hats off to you SSFTSX. You're a better man than me regardless of whether I share your opinions.
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#2578
^ what is even more annoying is the people who complain about the people complaining about SSFTSX and people like me who point out the people who are complaining about the complainers who complain about SSFTSX! ![Huh](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/huh.gif)
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you see how complicated it gets![Confused](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
I just kid man!
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you see how complicated it gets
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I just kid man!
#2579
Go Big Blue!
New they have moved out of the price range for me of what id be willing to pay. I looked at one (the only one i would ever consider, the 6 speed) and with every thing it had on it it was just 1200 shy of 50k. For that kind of money id get a CTS-V (used VERY low mileage)
To me you are obviously not the average car buyer and probably NOT a 4G TL buyer. I realize they sell it with a 6MT and HP tires, but that's probably for a very very small percentage of loyal Acura customers who just MUST have an Acura. Its probably not the best choice if you want more of a sports car mostly for weekend spirited driving. I'd take a 335 any day. Every car has it's sweet spot. This cars sweet spot is the FWD Tech version. That's what they will sell most of because the majority attracted to that car will be looking for a sporty LOOKING car but one that is actually not so sporty and instead comfortable and upscale for daily commuting on highways with an AT transmission
#2580
Go Big Blue!
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#2581
אני עומד עם ישראל
Very true and I think that's what gets to members as he shows no emotion just mindless robotic monotone posts.
#2582
Duhhhh....
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#2583
Senior Moderator
That makes more sense now. I can understand and agree with that. When you simply posted: "The TL is overpriced the way it is" I assumed you were talking about average value for the average car buyer. That I have a hard time buying.
To me you are obviously not the average car buyer and probably NOT a 4G TL buyer. I realize they sell it with a 6MT and HP tires, but that's probably for a very very small percentage of loyal Acura customers who just MUST have an Acura. Its probably not the best choice if you want more of a sports car mostly for weekend spirited driving. I'd take a 335 any day. Every car has it's sweet spot. This cars sweet spot is the FWD Tech version. That's what they will sell most of because the majority attracted to that car will be looking for a sporty LOOKING car but one that is actually not so sporty and instead comfortable and upscale for daily commuting on highways with an AT transmission
To me you are obviously not the average car buyer and probably NOT a 4G TL buyer. I realize they sell it with a 6MT and HP tires, but that's probably for a very very small percentage of loyal Acura customers who just MUST have an Acura. Its probably not the best choice if you want more of a sports car mostly for weekend spirited driving. I'd take a 335 any day. Every car has it's sweet spot. This cars sweet spot is the FWD Tech version. That's what they will sell most of because the majority attracted to that car will be looking for a sporty LOOKING car but one that is actually not so sporty and instead comfortable and upscale for daily commuting on highways with an AT transmission
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IF the looks were different and they offered a better engine i "Might" look at the 4g. But they dont so i wont...
The wife on the other hand likes it. I think i need to get her some glasses.
#2584
Go Big Blue!
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#2585
אני עומד עם ישראל
^ that sounds like us when we went to Infiniti to look at the G lol
#2586
Senior Moderator
Forget it buddy. It's a guy/girl thing, their priorities are very different, and you're not going to win. You'll want to know how many cylinders it has, your wife probably wants to know how many air bags it has. First thing you are going to reach for when you first sit in a car is the stick to check its position and feel. First thing you're wife is going to reach for is the visor to check the vanity mirror and if it has a light ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
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I have my criteria of what "she" needs in a car (she doesnt care about air bags and crash ratings, she has no clue and leaves that up to me. After all, She rides in my TL with no air bags
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In the end she will probably end up with the A8 or Q7 as thats what I will buy her.
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#2587
אני עומד עם ישראל
A8? Damn baller unless you're grabbing something used.
#2588
Trolling Canuckistan
The TL is over priced and you're considering an A8? I'm not saying they are comparable in any way but A8's drop value faster than any car I know of. They are a good deal in the used market but I would never consider a 80K+ that sells in the low 20's when they are 5 years old. In 5 years a TL didn't cost you $10K+ per year in depreciation.
#2589
Senior Moderator
Mmm...A8.
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#2590
Senior Moderator
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The TL is over priced and you're considering an A8? I'm not saying they are comparable in any way but A8's drop value faster than any car I know of. They are a good deal in the used market but I would never consider a 80K+ that sells in the low 20's when they are 5 years old. In 5 years a TL didn't cost you $10K+ per year in depreciation.
I would love to get another acura, but they have NOTHING that fits my tastes or needs. TL, No, the styling is just to hard to get past. Not to mention i am still sour about the trans problems on the 2g. MDX LOVE IT, Liked the way it rode, and looked (the grill could use some work but its not as bad as the TL) BUT its useless in size. I swear my TL has a larger back seat. With me driving the MDX a kid would have a hard time sitting behind me. WTF. Not to mention the rear facing car seat only fits back there with a 13 year old driving) RL, NO (though our dealer has one that has been sitting there so long they have knocked 10k off the sticker to help get rid of it) The rest of the lineup, No, dont really fit in the rest of them. (another WTF, who are they building these things for MIDGETS?)
I spent the last day looking at vehicles and test driving as my TL is in need of repair "again" and the wife needs a new vehicle as well. Sadly Im torn between the Genesis sedan, Buick Enclave and Q7 (A8 if i can find one in the color the wife likes and for the right price)
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#2591
Chloe @ 17mo
Seriously, can we close this thread already and open it when actual news get posted? Every day I check this thread, and there's no news to read, just cantankerous opinions about dead horses. Moving on.
Oh wait, there's a discussion about the A8? Hang on, anyone like the new A8 design? Seems to me that it's suffering from early onset of sad face disease.
Oh wait, there's a discussion about the A8? Hang on, anyone like the new A8 design? Seems to me that it's suffering from early onset of sad face disease.
#2592
Chloe @ 17mo
I spent the last day looking at vehicles and test driving as my TL is in need of repair "again" and the wife needs a new vehicle as well. Sadly Im torn between the Genesis sedan, Buick Enclave and Q7 (A8 if i can find one in the color the wife likes and for the right price)
#2593
Senior Moderator
#2594
Chloe @ 17mo
#2595
Senior Moderator
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#2596
Chloe @ 17mo
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I honestly wouldn't mind having a two-tone delete option with the Enclave.
#2597
Senior Moderator
#2598
AZ Community Team
#2599
Chloe @ 17mo