dezzzmond

Well you never know......the ol' school Legend had a coupe version too

Moog-Type-S

agranado

This would be very, very nice news...

Dan Martin

I haven't heard anything about Honda developing a V8.

A detuned version of the NSX's V10 would be more likely IMO.

kurt_bradley

Please don't talk about a Honda V10 in a sedan while I'm at work. Occasionally, I have to be able to get up and walk around the office. Trying to roam around the office while in tent mode is a big

fuckleberry

v8 sedan from honda...i belive it when i see it

mrdeeno

i heard similar rumors back in 2000 when I got the CL-S. Dealer told me that he was "in the know" and that new RL was going to be introduced in 2004 with V8, RWD, and hybrid system to compete with the LS430 and S-class.

He also told me about the "AWESOME EXXON headlights" that the CL-S had. Needless to say I had no faith in those rumors.

I think there have been more than enough rumors of V8 or RWD from honda that it's beginning to sound like the boy who cried "wolf".

dom

But the fact that a V10 has been confirmed for the next NSX and V8 development rumoured off that V10 leads me to believe its more possible than ever, and probably even likely.

Dan Martin

It's entirely possible that if they've been designing the V10 with the possibility of lopping 2 cylinders off for other models all along. A 500hp V10 would probably make a good 400hp V8 which would be a sweet engine in an RL.

dom

Or, the next RL or whatever they decide to call it has a version of that V10. Either way I'm willing to bet there will be future Acura Sedan packing V8 or V10 power.

Problem is, there should already be one. :brokenrecord:

TypeSAddict

I dunno....is it really easier from an engineering perspective to lop off two cylinders from a V10 than it is to add two cylinders to a V6?

Moog-Type-S

My old CL-S did not have Exxon headlights...
I got jipped!!

Sly Raskal

iTrader: (1)

You didn't hear about the Valdez option?

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

Infamous425

they need to cut short the normal honda/acura 5 yr cycle for the current RL and bring this next gen asap

Ken1997TL

People in the 'know' thought that the supposed 1996 Legend would have a V8, RWD etc etc.

The problem as I see it, is this:

1) People like to talk out of their asses

2) Occasionally a prototype is made that actually has those promised features. Which creates endless speculation.

Moog-Type-S

Did that option help with the tranny?!?!?

phile

I asked that same question in another thread and I don't think anyone was able to answer it.

Ken1997TL

Depends on the angle.

If its a 90 degree V6 such as the Honda C series (Legend, 1st gen 3.2 TL, 1st gen RL, NSX) then yes.

If you have a 60 degree V6 (J series) then you have to deal with balancing issues.


Personally, I dont know why Honda is going with a V-10. A V-12 would be smoother and have fewer technical issues.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Probably because it is stemmed from the F1 engine block design from last season.

phile

Yes, as in easier to lop off cylinder or add on cylinder?

dozorca

Since Honda is so late with introducing a V8 engine, it needs to skip it and go directly to V10. Everybody has a V8, and some are moving to V10 and V12 configs.

The benefits of a V10 are that you can have a 300hp to 500 hp range. And that way Honda can take it easy for a while.

Acura MDX = 3.5L v6 @ 280 hp and 4.5L V10 @ 340
Acura RL = 3.5L v6 @ 290 and 4.5L V10 @ 340 and some damn torque.

The v10 with Displacement on Demand.

phile

That would be weak considering the new Lexus LS V8 produces 370hp

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Considering that Honda can easily squeeze 100 hp/L out of the motor, no reason a 4.5L Honda V8 should have less than 400 hp and 450hp should be obtainable.

biker

Some sanity needs to prevail here - look at Honda history and the probable cost of a V8 or V10 (even after eating the develoment costs) and the outlook is not good.

The problem with the RL is not the lack of power.

Honda should keep on milking its "safety for everyone" and "greenest company" marketing schemes and bring out products that follow this mantra.

It's only in retrospect people will realize we are approaching a turning point - just as the Internet stock buble burst in 2001 and the housing market is about to burst now, the HP wars will burst fairly soon. Then, Honda will look like a genious with its moderately powered fuel efficient cars. This will become a bit more obvious when the new MY08 milage rules come into affect.

Just fix the exterior of the RL, give people choices when it comes to options and it will sell.

Just like Honda saw the error of its ways with the rear of the 03-05 Accord, they'll fix the RL exterior. The drivetrain and interior are fine.

mg7726

yeah right, the day the RL is RWD i'll eat my shorts

dozorca

I don't think you read my post. The point I was trying to make is not the be the hp/tq leader, rather move to a V10 and play with the output.

And since it was a suggestion, I could have put down 999 hp. Would that be weak compared to Bugatti Veyron?

gavriil

It is true. Honda is developing a V8 and probably a V10 also.

dozorca

Sure they could. But with that comes higher fuel consumption. Honda has always been cautious about the fuel economy. I'm sure that the current TL could have had more hp/tq to compete with G35, but speaking from personal experience, the G loves to drink. Something has to give.

I think a V10 with 400 hp will be less strained then a V8 with 400 hp.

But that wasn't my point, as I mentioned in the post above. My point was that for the flagship car(s), Acura/Honda needs to do something more to be a player in the game.

gavriil

Guys, guys, I cant believe you dont remember that I have posted in the past that it is confirmed that Honda is developing a V8 for the Ridgeline, the RL and possibly other vehicles.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314309

phile

Wow, I don't remember seeing that thread.

:ibsomeonefindsapostfrommeinthere:

mrdeeno

I don't think so...I think Honda will be ignored and Toyota will get a lot more credit for being "green".

kansaiwalker1

A RWD RL? Sounds like all of those Toyota Supra rumors that always float about and come for naught.

biker

In a few years when Prius batteries start filling up land fills the tree huggers will jump off the Hybrid bandwagon and all of a sudden hybrids won't be the "green" thing anymore. Then, Honda will get its way.

dom

Skeptism in the face of fact.

Fact: Honda has confirmed V10 development and likely V8 development as well.

I don't understand the skeptism on this. The RWD skeptism I can understand.

GreenMonster

Part of the skeptism is due to the fact that Honda has stated in the past that it didn't "need" a V8... I know they are developing V8's and V10's for passenger car use now, but honda itself is partly to blame for the skeptism.

I'm actually less skeptic about RWD since the NSX and S2000 were/are RWD... but it does appear that Acura is going the SH-awd route...

charliemike

Honda supplies every V-10 for the Indy cars ... They have the engine already

dom

Indy cars use V8's, last years F1 car's used V10's. And the only thing a production V8 or 10 would have in common with a race engine is the number of cylinders.

And using that logic suggests Honda should have had V8's in their car's for years since they've been and were supplying V8's to Indycar and Champ car since the early to mid 90's.

kurt_bradley

Honda has already dropped a V8 in the Legend/RL.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=legend

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