Rockstar21

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they were cusping the balls of the great ol' USA for that entire show.

last time I checked, I like driving Japanese cars for the fact that they were designed and some manufactured in Japan.

the last thing I want is some guy that built the ford probe assembling my Japanese brand supercar in Ohio...

TacoBello

Yumcha, you're too hung up on the NSX burning at the 'ring. It was a concept car and who knows what they were testing and what caused the fire. As long as it doesn't happen in production models, who cares? Plus, it's not like every other super car hasn't met a fiery demise on the roads, way past the testing phase.

I hated the concept versions of the NSX. But the production version has that "F16" style roofline to it again, with the help of the rear side windows, like the 1G did. As much as I hate the front, the overall production car does look pretty nice. However, the concept versions had WAY nicer interiors... All that silver plastic trim makes the inside of the production model look like a 15k civic. I bet you carbon fibre will be an expensive and highly desirable option.

The delivery schedule is stupid for anyone who doesn't live in the southern states. It's like "awesome, I just dropped 175k!! I can't wait to utilize it in 4-5 months!!" The first production models should be sitting in people's garages by no later than September, so that they can still enjoy it for a bit before the season ends.

I have a feeling the spec numbers will be good and the performance will be fantastic, however, it comes at too high of a price point. Honda should be selling these things at break-even prices, to gain the hype of this vehicle up. At selling only 1000 units per year, this clearly isn't their bread and butter money maker. You want those perspective NSX buyers to pick other things up in your lineup for their daily use. What are they going to buy? A plain jane TLX? Before selling this thing for profit, they need other models in the lineup to entice people to buy them as well. Audi gives their customers that option with the R8 and any number of sporty daily cars. I dunno. Maybe I'm out to lunch.

kurtatx

Yes. I die a little inside every time Mike "Firemenow" Acavitti talks about "Exhilarating Driving" or anything like that. He has no idea. He probably hasn't even driven the thing.

kurtatx

If they had any performance models of note, I would sell the NSX at a slight loss to get people into the dealership. The TLX is a nice car for what it is and the NSX is great looking, but at the end of the day, there needs to be better performance models.

VR1

All that matters at this price level is emotion. If you feel something inside you when you see it, then it's the right one, otherwise it isn't. When I see a Maserati Granturismo Stradale or when I saw the NSX unveiling I felt something when I saw it. When I see a 911 Carrera or a M6 I don't. Why? I dunno, I just don't. With these cars, that's the only thing that should be considered, I couldn't care less about any of the specs. Exotics/Supercars are meant to appeal to emotions. Nothing else really matters aside from that.

Yumcha

K...I should level my comment: Firstly, the fiery death of the NSX was more tongue-in-cheek snarking about the car that has been in development since Ron A was born. That's all. I mean, yeah...a test car that goes poof into a fiery ball should be just that...during test and we expect flaws/faults to occur. Better that than during production. Still for a car that was in development since forever, many of us had to giggle at it turning into a bonfire on the track just a few months back.

The 911 GT3 had an issue, no doubt...but, it doe snot take away from the fact that the Porsche 911 platform is a PROVEN benchmark for a reason by the press and consumers...again, flaws happen. Machines are made by man who is by all extents and purposes, not perfect...so, flaws will happen.

But, generally speaking, the 911 is a proven platform. This NSX would be a rebirth and complete redesign of a car that was taken out of production several years ago. The only thing it shares with the iconic 90s car is the name. So, completely new.

My point was: If I'm looking at similarly priced cars...I'd have to think real hard before buying the new NSX because well, it's an unproven car. There is not much history behind it and honestly, it's Honda's return to the high-performance car segment after taking a nice purgatory break from it for many years. So, yeah, I would have reservations.

That's what I was getting at.

ttribe

FYI - The "Nazis" and the Japanese were on the same side during WWII.

Correction - it was a prototype and it should have been relatively close to the production version; hence, the concern.


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kurtatx

I should have known. No big deal. Didn't mean to come across that aggressively.

Yumcha

I'm only 100% serious about reposts and posts in the wrong thread.

Otherwise, all my posts are never THAT serious.

Yumcha

And those pasta-loving Italians.






And completely agree...this is why the bonfire on the 'Ring was kinda sadly laughable. The car was in dev for so long (longer than any car I can think of) and this close to the show, it burns to a crisp? Yow.

ttribe

Them too...and Spain, kind of.

Legend2TL

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Ken1997TL

Japan is a dying country and a lot of Honda's shareholders and infrastructure are US-based. I think the NSX being built in Ohio foretells a transition from a Japanese company to one that's more American. Still, i cringed at the whole thing. It gained nothing and probably ticked off the Japanese fan base.

srika

Acura just announced a sports car with *550+ hp* and you guys are still mostly "meh" about it. You'll never be happy with Acura for your own bitter reasons and always stay cemented in your views. And that's a shame. When word of this new NSX first started swirling, I am pretty sure we thought it would have around 400 hp. Yes that was some years ago, before the current state of HP. But even said, 550 is generous.

oonowindoo

you forgot we are the haters....

ttribe

Kind of surprised you caught that; well done.

Legend2TL

Yumcha

So, you're saying that after ALL this time. Since they announced the CONCEPT a bazillion years ago...you're satisfied with "around 550HP" in today's "big" reveal?

No weight. No torque. Just a vaguely saying it'll be around a certain number for just horsepower.

After all this time. This is after they "hyped" the car in 2012's Superbowl ad with Seinfeld.





As an enthusiast of the brand and what it represented in racing and performance vehicles and seeing what the fleet is NOW, most of us have of course are disenchanted. You then get a car model, the NSX, announced and it goes into some development purgatory similar to Duke Nukem and after all this time, we get in today's "big" reveal is a nice exterior and a half-baked info on the specs/performance of the car.

So, you want to call us cemented in our views? Okiedokie smoky.

ttribe

You could be right. Perhaps former-enthusiasts like *us* are beyond being satisfied by any current or future Acura offering. The question, then, is will this new NSX attract a new breed of enthusiast to the brand? I think the consensus is that the situation is far different than in '91; the competition (at all model levels) is just so much better than back then. Also, Acura has spent nearly a decade playing catch-up rather than being a disruptive (and leading) element in the auto market. Perhaps I am wrong. I hope I am wrong. But I think the road to success for this brand is a far more difficult one than it was 25+ years ago.

Yumcha

Nearly 3 years later, we have an UPDATED looking exterior...from the 2012 ad...and still...no performance specs or engine numbers.




I'll stop having such a jaded tone when Honda truly steps up at the plate. GIVE US SOMETHING TO CHEER ABOUT. Not vagueness. How is a reasonable request like that...after ALL THIS TIME (from concept to Detroit's car show today)...being "cemented" in our views?

Yumcha

Call me a "cemented hater".

Sarlacc

The design...it'll look cool in person like the concept. BUT it will look dated in a few years. I'll bet money on it. The OG NSX is timeless.

I'm sure the TT V6 Hybrid will be an awesome drive and Im glad they kept it mid mounted.

But overall I still have to say meh. And at $120-$180...fail. Even the Viper had learn the hard way and drop its price.

srika

If they felt the need to put 295's out back, I can make a deduction that it's gonna be plenty fast. I can also make a deduction that this is an exciting model from Acura.

srika

yeah, the price is kind of a doozy. heh

Sarlacc

Yumcha

Zipit, cemented hater.

Sarlacc

Too much other exciting things going on in the world of cars.

oonowindoo

with the new GTR and ZR1 coming... we will soon forget about NSX even existed.... except the Honda Fanboys... too bad NSX is so expensive most of the HONDA fanboys won't be able to afford it.

iforyou

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Is the R8 on sale later this year? Do you have a link that shows its concept or production form?

I'm thinking the new R8 V10 will be very similar in specs to the new Lambo Huracan, which is roughly 600hp. The current R8 coupe V10 starts at $153k and gets close to $200k for a loaded R8 V10 plus coupe. I'm not sure if the NSX will be higher than that.

Right now, all they are saying is 550hp+. It can be 551hp, it can be 700hp. If today they announced the NSX has a class leading output of 640hp. Now, Audi, Ferrari, and Nissan would know exactly how much power they would need to beat the NSX. Next R8 V10 can have 642hp, 458 replacement can have 645hp, and new GTR can have 648hp. BAM! The NSX is now class trailing.

It's not really rocket science that the GTR, R8, and 458 are due for an update very soon. For instance, the 458 replacement will be shown at the Geneva Auto Show on March 15th. It's said to have 650+hp from a TT V8. This is not waiting for the next next next next next next gen of 458 before releasing details. This is just 2 months from now.

Acura claimed that the NSX will deliver 458 performance at R8 price. I think it's foolish if that's still the case since the 458 is getting a replacement. Perhaps Acura sees this too and so they also want to make sure the NSX doesn't get left behind badly by the 458 replacement.

It's been 3 years or so since the first NSX concept, waiting for a few more months is nothing IMO.



I'm more interested in seeing the laptime at Nurburgring as well as real world driving feedback from different publications. They talk so much about driving fun, car and driver interaction and BS like that, I wanna see if it's all BS or what.

haha true...it was just a J35 NA plus motors at one point. It would be nice to have a cheaper version at the 400hp level.

Curious3GTL

I mean it has the same HP as the LFA and it's priced $200,000 cheaper. I will wait until full specs are released but that seems promising.

ggesq

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I'm actually surprised that potential buyers will have options to outfit it out the way they want instead of the usual packages that Acura makes you buy whether you like it or not.

srika

thinking about it more, the starting price of $150k is completely reasonable, for this car with these specs, in 2015. The last model of the 1st gen was knocking on $100k, no?

Also, my apologies if the word "cement" strikes a nerve with you. Bad experience?

ttribe

Who is *you* in the sentence above?

nist7

Looks like the 91 NSX was MSRPing around $60k. In 2014 dollars, thats 104k. SO price went up a bit, which is not surprising: Window Sticker Replication and Other Digital Services




I love the front and side profile, BUT that rear looks FUGLY as heck. No wonder they really tried to hide that rear in photo shots. Whomever approved that rear design needs to be re-educated.

Anyone else really hate that rear look?

Also in general, not so hot on all these supercars coming out with "hybrid" and electric motors. Instant torque is definitely awesome, but top speed and weight are down sides. I'd like all-motor supercars.

nist7

Looks sexy as hell, awww yess



Ummm, what. Looks like a 4G TL rear end squeezed down:



Not feeling this rear at all.

skd2k1

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^fwiw porsche 918 is a hybrid and also fastest production on the ring.

oonowindoo

nist7

I know, the new McLaren car as well. I am not into those cars at all...for some reason just doesn't excite me as much as say the new Viper/Hellcat/Koenigsegg/etc.

Yeah. I think Honda should've really re-did the rear end design on the NSX. Not in line with the sexy front look at all. Stubby little tail lights that just looks like a accord taillight squeezed into the rear bumper and then just slap a big Acura emblem in the middle, ok done.

Fibonacci

The big announcement did seem quite anticlimactic and lacking in details such as curb weight.

Totally agree. But then again, the gal that brought us the spectacular ZDX was trotted out for another design home run.

srika

To anyone it may apply to. I realize it's a strong word that could be taken personally.