Yumcha

Mmm...vapor. I can just SMELL the BS...


Sorry, did I say that out-loud?


<---- HATER.

RPhilMan1

Saw it at the Chicago Auto Show.

MTEAZY

The pea-shooter lives!

justnspace

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oonowindoo

Take a look at the exhaust.

It has 2 2"holes and 2 1" holes, never seen anything like that..

Fibonacci

New Sports Xperimental. Duh.

Steven Bell

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They're going to screw this up again.....

kurtatx

Did the screw up the NSX the first time?

Edward'TLS

Yes, they did.

They screwed up by discontinuing the 1G NSX.

Rockstar21

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edit:

the number of sales/production never picked up after the NA1 was discontinued. (sales were already dying at the end of its run)

the NA2 wasn't nearly as successful.

ttribe

Don't be obtuse. Given the context, it's pretty clear these comments go back to the several aborted concepts, as well as the recent (non-NSX) models that have been flops.

Yumcha

What about the one that is extra-charcoal-crispy in the 'Ring? Is that a fail or pass?

skd2k1

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^a step along the way to a finalized production model?

ttribe

Trying to be like Ferrari?

Yumcha

Quick, how many HP and torque is in the incoming 488GTB?

ttribe

661HP, 561tq.

Yumcha

And kids, how does Honda want us to think this new NSX will match that?




Use our imaginations.

In my dreams, I'm picturing the 488GTB lapping the NSX...

Fibonacci

From the sounds of it so far from deep inside Acura's underground corporate lair, the ordering process for an NSX is still somewhat opaque. All I know so far is this:

1. Dealers will accept deposits sometime this summer for late year delivery.
2. The dealer will be notified of an allocation, will then ask customer to choose spec and then dealer is "locked" into the allocation which cannot be changed because of the low production volume.
3. Their may be very limited regional "events" (not sure how to get on that invite list) but otherwise no test drives.

Yumcha

So, like the Vaporcar, it's Vaporordering. Got it.

Yumcha

<-----Hatest of the hate...

oonowindoo

I have no doubt the first batch of NSX are already sold out... and probably will continue to be sold out for the next year or so.

But that is not the point. There are enough rich people in this world that will buy anything and everything.

The success of NSX should not be based on sales # or if it is sold out since there is probably going to be a few hundred a year anyways. It is if it can destroy its competition at a much lower price (like GTR) with Honda reliability.

Keeping up is not good enough but there are already enough cars in the market that can "keep up"

Edward'TLS

The real purpose of creating the NSX is not to make money on unit sales, but to promote the Acura brand image, just like the R8 does to Audi and the LFA does to Lexus.

The NSX acted as a moving billboard in Acura's mega-dollar marketing scheme, with which simply the existence of the supercar on the streets would suffice in showing the world that Acura was about high performance and that Acura was about high-tech luxury.

Honda screwed up by axing the NSX, and as a result contributed to the continuing stagnant/decline of the Acura brand name.

If the NSX was axed due to lack of sales, then the 2G RL and the current RLX should also be discontinued ages ago.

The 2G RL RLX was never as successful as the 1G RL, and the RLX is an even worse flop than the 2G RL, according to unit sales figures.

In fact, the RLX sales is so bad that Acura has offered rebated up to $10K to dealerships in order to move out the dust-covered RLX inventories.

Eventually the RLX production rate is significantly dialed back, and now the RLX is only manufactured in stop-and-go batches rather than from a continuously running production line.

So much for the latest Acura flagship sedan.

TacoBello

You're not serious are you? Honda never even attempted going after the 488. Not once. And we STILL don't know what the NSX is pushing. "North of 550hp" doesn't mean squat at this point.

On paper, the 488 may sound better, but the NSX might be faster 0-60 due to electric goodness. That's not to say the 488 won't be a champ, but realistically, I think the difference between the two cars will be minimal at best... And let's not forget the NSX will be at least 100k cheaper... Put 10% of that difference back into the NSX and watch the 488 in your rear view mirror!

Also, acura just can't build a 250k car... No one would buy it. The brand doesn't have the cache it needs in order to do so. However, if this one is a success, that doesn't mean there can't be something crazier in the future. Doubtful. But possible.

Joneill44

It will be interesting to see what the tuner world does with these turbos

Yumcha

I snark lots but, I'm actually kinda serious. This NSX was benchmarked against the Ferrari 458 and 911 GT3. So, guess what? Ferrari yawned and revealed the 488 showing that Acura is yet again, a few steps behind...and Porsche? They just keep on trekking.

Here's the refresher: Acura NSX Benchmarked Against Ferrari 458, 911 GT3

Ken1997TL

For the record, I'll be attending one of those 'events' that will be done to entice potential owners. I got the official invitation.

Yumcha

Vaporinvitation? Kinda like Inspector Gadget, Solid Snaken?

RPhilMan1

Will you have to sign an NDA?

If not, disclose everything.

Yumcha

Yes please. HP and torque. And curb weight.

And not a vague number.


"It's between 1 and 3000."

Ken1997TL

I don't believe I'll need to hold back anything. Likely it'll just be a private test drive and a dinner. It's still up in the air.

Yumcha

Kinda like the NSX.










Okay okay. I'll stop now. Sorry, hate is strong in this hater.

dom

And Yes, stop already.

Legend2TL

Congrats, do post your impressions after the event

TacoBello

Again, the NSX is not up against the 488. It's not like the 488 is a car that came out of no where. Acura knew it was coming and decided to not bench mark against it- not because they can't, but simply due to price.

Everyone knows a Ferrari can easily fetch over 300k. An acura? No way in hell. Even 200k would be a far stretch- if that's what the NSX does top out at, you can bet they won't be selling many of them.

No idea why you keep criticizing this car.. What are you expecting of it? And it's no longer a vaporcar... Unless you call the 488 and FGT vaporcars as well :roll eyes:

Yumcha

Please go back to what I wrote. Let me be clear: I LOVE THE NSX...loved it even more when Senna, a childhood hero, was asked for input in designing the car. However, my gripe is the time it has taken Acura to revive this car and then concept after concept with nothingness.

And now, when they finally had their big reveal, after all this time of testing and testing and testing and testing, they get cagey with revealing the numbers. Give us specs. Do you see Ford do that with their GT? Did you see Ferrari do that with the 488 recently. Nope.

So, while it may not be true, it gives me the PERCEPTION that Acura was yet again waiting (they will always be waiting) to see what the competition revealed versus trying to BE the benchmark themselves.

TacoBello

Again, not vaporcar. You're just sad that they won't give you the inside scoop yet

iforyou

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I think the issue here is that being faster than a 458 Italia will become meaningless as that car is being phased out. While it's true that Honda never mentioned the 488 GTB as its competitor, but chances are, people will compare the NSX to the 458, and its successor.

You don't need to be a genius to know that a 458 Italia is on its way. The same goes for the new GTR, new R8, etc. I'd think Honda knew this and that's probably why Honda is not revealing any solid numbers. We now know how powerful the 488 is, we also know how powerful the Huracan is. Honda can now adjust their numbers accordingly. That's not to say they will try to beat the others, but perhaps they can massage the numbers to be closer to the competition.

At this moment, I think it's best to wait for the official figures before drawing any conclusions. Honda has the habit of making cars with the worst power to weight ratios while beating the competition (DC2-R, EK9, DC5-R, NSX-R, FD2-R, 3G TL-S 6MT, 4G TL 6MT). We can't really judge it until there are some solid performance numbers and the Nurburgring lap time.

West6MT

R8 numbers are out now too ^^

Yumcha

Acura is waiting until Audi releases the next-next-NEXT gen R8 numbers before spilling the numbers for the NSX.


And whatever is after the 488. Maybe, the 499 or whatever Ferrari wants to call it.

MeehowsBRZ

1. Those exhaust tips are terrible.
2. I heard the NSX in Chicago doesn't have an actual interior. (true or no?)
3. If Lexus can come out with a 552hp car for $375,000 then $200,000 shouldn't be out of the range of possibility for Acura.