Acura: ILX News
12-11-2012, 06:14 PM
#1001
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Maybe he meant EL?
12-11-2012, 06:19 PM
#1002
Team Owner
TL 2 door?
that is exactly what he meant.
that is exactly what he meant.
12-11-2012, 06:21 PM
#1003
The sizzle in the Steak
Maybe he speaks of the SLX?
12-11-2012, 06:22 PM
#1004
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12-11-2012, 06:23 PM
#1005
Team Owner
Do you have a picture of your 4 door CL?
12-11-2012, 06:37 PM
#1006
Three Wheelin'
Stupid me. 
Thank you for being specific in questioning my comment. Yes it was a TL not a CL. My memory is going, heck look at my age and it was 10 years ago. It looked the same as the CL typeS but it had 4 drs.
Please will you all accept my apologies all for my feeble mind.
Thank you for being specific in questioning my comment. Yes it was a TL not a CL. My memory is going, heck look at my age and it was 10 years ago. It looked the same as the CL typeS but it had 4 drs.
Please will you all accept my apologies all for my feeble mind.
12-11-2012, 07:02 PM
#1007
12-11-2012, 07:30 PM
#1008
I feel the need...
More power and features would make it a TSX. So in other words the TSX should have stayed at the first gen fighting weight with a bit more power. Instead, now the TSX is stuck in no man's land. The ILX in current form is under-contented and grossly overpriced. Fail.
12-11-2012, 07:41 PM
#1009
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+1
12-11-2012, 08:22 PM
#1010
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Stupid me.
Thank you for being specific in questioning my comment. Yes it was a TL not a CL. My memory is going, heck look at my age and it was 10 years ago. It looked the same as the CL typeS but it had 4 drs.
Please will you all accept my apologies all for my feeble mind.
Thank you for being specific in questioning my comment. Yes it was a TL not a CL. My memory is going, heck look at my age and it was 10 years ago. It looked the same as the CL typeS but it had 4 drs.
Please will you all accept my apologies all for my feeble mind.
I thought you were trolling me at first, so I let it be lol.
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12-11-2012, 08:56 PM
#1012
you can put everything the Accord has into a Civic, it would still be a Civic. The ILX and TSX are 2 very different cars. I haven't driven the ILX, but just sitting in it, the TSX still feels one rung higher on the ladder.
12-11-2012, 09:40 PM
#1013
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12-11-2012, 09:43 PM
#1014
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....that said, if the TSX is still in production when the lease is up on my 12 Accord in 23 months, I'll be happy to swap into a TSX V6.
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12-11-2012, 11:53 PM
#1015
There are much better design Honda and Acura cars than ILX.
TSX has always been the JDM/Euro Accord. TSX probably accounts for a small percentage of total sales compared to those regions? This means it also doesn't make sense to make the TSX here.
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http://www.carnewschina.com/2012/05/...-2-0-in-china/
Honda will launch a new 2.0 engine for the Spirior, it is currently only available with a 2.4 and Honda wants to have a cheaper entry-level model. The Spirior, from Spirit and Superior, is a China-only Honda based on the Acura TSX.
Honda will launch a new 2.0 engine for the Spirior, it is currently only available with a 2.4 and Honda wants to have a cheaper entry-level model. The Spirior, from Spirit and Superior, is a China-only Honda based on the Acura TSX.
12-12-2012, 12:33 AM
#1016
A little too late now, but the smart thing would have been to not produce the ILX. They should have kept the TSX, move its production to the U.S. so it'd be profitable, and make the TSX a little smaller (something similar to 1G TSX) if they needed to differentiate it from the TL. Doing so would let them keep the TSX Sportwagon around since they have no other wagon in their lineup.
Despite its small sales #s, they'd at least have an option to/something to go against the A4 Avant/Allroad, BMW 3 series sports wagon, Cadillac CT sport wagon, Lexus CT (even though it's a hybrid, it's still a wagon), Volvo XC60/XC70, and the (rumored) Buick Regal Sport Wagon.
Unless Honda kills the TSX sedan and keeps the TSX Sport Wagon around for a bit longer?
Last edited by AZuser; 12-12-2012 at 12:35 AM.
12-12-2012, 01:17 AM
#1017
If the ILX is to replace the TSX as the article now says and the TSX sticks to its 5 yr model cycle, 2013 will be it's last year.... so come this summer, it's bye-bye to the TSX. Haven't heard anything about a 3G TSX.
A little too late now, but the smart thing would have been to not produce the ILX. They should have kept the TSX, move its production to the U.S. so it'd be profitable, and make the TSX a little smaller (something similar to 1G TSX) if they needed to differentiate it from the TL. Doing so would let them keep the TSX Sportwagon around since they have no other wagon in their lineup.
Despite its small sales #s, they'd at least have an option to/something to go against the A4 Avant/Allroad, BMW 3 series sports wagon, Cadillac CT sport wagon, Lexus CT (even though it's a hybrid, it's still a wagon), Volvo XC60/XC70, and the (rumored) Buick Regal Sport Wagon.
Unless Honda kills the TSX sedan and keeps the TSX Sport Wagon around for a bit longer?
A little too late now, but the smart thing would have been to not produce the ILX. They should have kept the TSX, move its production to the U.S. so it'd be profitable, and make the TSX a little smaller (something similar to 1G TSX) if they needed to differentiate it from the TL. Doing so would let them keep the TSX Sportwagon around since they have no other wagon in their lineup.
Despite its small sales #s, they'd at least have an option to/something to go against the A4 Avant/Allroad, BMW 3 series sports wagon, Cadillac CT sport wagon, Lexus CT (even though it's a hybrid, it's still a wagon), Volvo XC60/XC70, and the (rumored) Buick Regal Sport Wagon.
Unless Honda kills the TSX sedan and keeps the TSX Sport Wagon around for a bit longer?
RL was on 9 year cycle. current MDX is on 7 year cycle assuming they can produce next MDX by summer of 2013.
12-12-2012, 01:51 AM
#1018
if [ɪf]
conj (subordinating)
1. in case that, or on condition that
ex. if you try hard it might work
ex. if he were poor, would you marry him?
ex. if they ban SSFTSX, we won't have to read his nonsense anymore
ex. if you try hard it might work
ex. if he were poor, would you marry him?
ex. if they ban SSFTSX, we won't have to read his nonsense anymore
1 gen TSX = 2004-2008 = 5 years
It's like saying "If the TL sticks to it's 5 year model cycle....."
1G TL = 1995-1998 = 4 years
2G TL = 1999-2003 = 5 years
3G TL = 2004-2008 = 5 years
4G TL = 2009-2013 = 5 years
Acura has launched the ILX compact sedan and redesigned the RDX compact crossover. It will redesign the RL flagship this fall and make changes to the MDX crossover and TL mid-sized sedan in 2013.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...#ixzz2Ep37CANT
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...#ixzz2Ep37CANT
Last edited by AZuser; 12-12-2012 at 02:05 AM.
12-12-2012, 09:42 AM
#1019
reading and comprehension > you
if [ɪf]
conj (subordinating)
1 gen TSX = 2004-2008 = 5 years
It's like saying "If the TL sticks to it's 5 year model cycle....."
1G TL = 1995-1998 = 4 years
2G TL = 1999-2003 = 5 years
3G TL = 2004-2008 = 5 years
4G TL = 2009-2013 = 5 years
if [ɪf]
conj (subordinating)
1. in case that, or on condition that
ex. if you try hard it might work
ex. if he were poor, would you marry him?
ex. if they ban SSFTSX, we won't have to read his nonsense anymore
ex. if you try hard it might work
ex. if he were poor, would you marry him?
ex. if they ban SSFTSX, we won't have to read his nonsense anymore
1 gen TSX = 2004-2008 = 5 years
It's like saying "If the TL sticks to it's 5 year model cycle....."
1G TL = 1995-1998 = 4 years
2G TL = 1999-2003 = 5 years
3G TL = 2004-2008 = 5 years
4G TL = 2009-2013 = 5 years
so from where this 5 year Cycle comes from?
1G TSX was lunched a year later than Euro Accord. which was essentially a 2002 model.
12-12-2012, 09:47 AM
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12-12-2012, 10:35 AM
#1021
The sizzle in the Steak
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12-12-2012, 10:37 AM
#1022
Why are you talking about the RDX's 6 year cycle, the RL's 9 year cycle, or the MDX's 7 year cycle? Those models have nothing to do with the TSX.
Da fuq u smokin'?
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12-12-2012, 11:44 AM
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If the ILX is to replace the TSX as the article now says and the TSX sticks to its 5 yr model cycle, 2013 will be it's last year.... so come this summer, it's bye-bye to the TSX. Haven't heard anything about a 3G TSX.
A little too late now, but the smart thing would have been to not produce the ILX. They should have kept the TSX, move its production to the U.S. so it'd be profitable, and make the TSX a little smaller (something similar to 1G TSX) if they needed to differentiate it from the TL. Doing so would let them keep the TSX Sportwagon around since they have no other wagon in their lineup.
Despite its small sales #s, they'd at least have an option to/something to go against the A4 Avant/Allroad, BMW 3 series sports wagon, Cadillac CT sport wagon, Lexus CT (even though it's a hybrid, it's still a wagon), Volvo XC60/XC70, and the (rumored) Buick Regal Sport Wagon.
Unless Honda kills the TSX sedan and keeps the TSX Sport Wagon around for a bit longer?
A little too late now, but the smart thing would have been to not produce the ILX. They should have kept the TSX, move its production to the U.S. so it'd be profitable, and make the TSX a little smaller (something similar to 1G TSX) if they needed to differentiate it from the TL. Doing so would let them keep the TSX Sportwagon around since they have no other wagon in their lineup.
Despite its small sales #s, they'd at least have an option to/something to go against the A4 Avant/Allroad, BMW 3 series sports wagon, Cadillac CT sport wagon, Lexus CT (even though it's a hybrid, it's still a wagon), Volvo XC60/XC70, and the (rumored) Buick Regal Sport Wagon.
Unless Honda kills the TSX sedan and keeps the TSX Sport Wagon around for a bit longer?
What was the 1G TSX? It was the JDM/Euro Honda Accord.
Why was the 1G TSX made/imported to NA? NA Accord was too big, bland, and boring for some people. Acura believed there was a demand for a 4-door sedan that is more stylish, luxurious, smaller, and more fun to drive. Euro Accord fitted the bill perfectly. Good exchange rate meant the idea was feasible and could generate profit for Honda. Result? Success.
2G TSX? It grew in size. It's less fun to drive to most people. In short, it wasn't the same as the 1G TSX in a negative way for most. Profit wise, it's also decreasing as yen was becoming stronger relative to USD.
Solution from Honda? Use the Civic platform and make an entry level luxury sedan similar to the 1g TSX. Size-wise, it's similar to 1g TSX. Power-wise, assuming ED, would also be similar to the 1G TSX. Its feature list is also comparable to the TSX. The best thing is, it's 500lb lighter. The main draw back is the lack of DWB. But that probably isn't too much of a problem as we have seen from the 2013 Accord. The real problem is, ED development got delayed --> no ED powertrains --> stuck with R20 + 5AT --> underpowered for an entry-level luxury sedan. Secondary problem is the feature list. Although it's nicely equipped, many other cars are also nicely equipped. In short, nicely equipped is not enough for a luxury car.
Moving TSX production to NA means moving Euro Accord and JDM Accord production to NA. Would that be more profitable than having production in Japan? Probably yes. But if Acura sees the ILX as a TSX replacement, then it's probably not worth all the effort to move the TSX/Euro Accord production to NA.
From the posts here, it seems like if the ILX is simply renamed as the 3G TSX, and comes with more features and power, we probably would not be having this discussion.
But ILX isn't truly most aerodynamic car in the world like 2g TSX, so we might....
12-12-2012, 05:04 PM
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12-12-2012, 05:14 PM
#1028
The sizzle in the Steak
When in doubt, always get the Candian lunch kit.
12-12-2012, 07:20 PM
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12-12-2012, 07:43 PM
#1031
Acura ILX headed for Civic-like early upgrades
The not-yet-ready-for-primetime 2012 Honda Civic saw it quickly returned to sender for refurbishment, now the Acura ILX is headed in the same direction in its very first year. Automotive News reports that the small, Civic-based sedan from Honda's luxury brand isn't meeting sales expectations, with an annualized rate of 22,000 to 24,000 sales instead of the 30,000 the company is after. More telling is that the ILX "is being outsold by the Buick Verano, Volkswagen CC and Audi A4," and, except for two months since it launched, it has also been outdone by the Acura TSX it is meant to replace.
Part of the cause has been the 2.0-liter, four-cylinder engine: its 150 horsepower to motivate a sedan that can weigh up to 2,970 pounds doesn't offer the kind of performance or value experience that buyers in the segment respond to. Another big issue is that the top-level 2.4-liter engine is only offered with a six-speed manual even though most buyers of the highest trim don't really want to shift their own gears. Lastly, the ILX might not put enough space between it and its frugal underpinnings – our first drive review pegged it as "the world's nicest Honda Civic."
An automatic transmission is on the way for the 2.4-liter, but it isn't clear when. And while Honda admits that the 2.0-liter is underpowered and Automotive News says it's on the way out, the company hasn't yet said how that situation will be corrected.
via http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/12/a...arly-upgrades/
The not-yet-ready-for-primetime 2012 Honda Civic saw it quickly returned to sender for refurbishment, now the Acura ILX is headed in the same direction in its very first year. Automotive News reports that the small, Civic-based sedan from Honda's luxury brand isn't meeting sales expectations, with an annualized rate of 22,000 to 24,000 sales instead of the 30,000 the company is after. More telling is that the ILX "is being outsold by the Buick Verano, Volkswagen CC and Audi A4," and, except for two months since it launched, it has also been outdone by the Acura TSX it is meant to replace.
Part of the cause has been the 2.0-liter, four-cylinder engine: its 150 horsepower to motivate a sedan that can weigh up to 2,970 pounds doesn't offer the kind of performance or value experience that buyers in the segment respond to. Another big issue is that the top-level 2.4-liter engine is only offered with a six-speed manual even though most buyers of the highest trim don't really want to shift their own gears. Lastly, the ILX might not put enough space between it and its frugal underpinnings – our first drive review pegged it as "the world's nicest Honda Civic."
An automatic transmission is on the way for the 2.4-liter, but it isn't clear when. And while Honda admits that the 2.0-liter is underpowered and Automotive News says it's on the way out, the company hasn't yet said how that situation will be corrected.
via http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/12/a...arly-upgrades/
12-12-2012, 07:46 PM
#1032
god damnit honda. who are the cockheads who let the ILX out of the gate so undercooked
12-12-2012, 08:10 PM
#1033
Based on their comments, it sounds like Acura thought they could ride it out with the current 2.0 until the new ED engines were done and then just drop that in once it was ready and just roll right along. Even though it's been gaining in sales every month, that strategy doesn't seem to have worked.
Quite honestly, the engine is what kept me away from the car, if the 2.0L had 170-180 HP or if there was a 2.4L AT I probably would have picked that over the TSX, but in the end the slight underpowered engine pushed me towards the TSX.
In the end though, even though the launch itself certainly could have been better, is it such a bad thing that Honda/Acura are realizing their mistakes, and seemingly willing to break convention to fix them?
12-12-2012, 08:53 PM
#1035
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Until a base ILX has more get up and go then a base Camry SE, why bother? The ILX is a good looking car but that won't get it over the fact that the power and MPG is lacking. They need to get an auto mated to that top level engine pronto.
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12-12-2012, 08:56 PM
#1036
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12-13-2012, 06:43 AM
#1037
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12-13-2012, 11:11 AM
#1039
No, that's not the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is, they're actually starting to own up to mistakes and are willing to fix them. In the past they would have just buried their head in the sand and kept on the same path. That in itself is a step forward.
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12-13-2012, 11:13 AM
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I think it was too late for them to stop....announcement of launch date for the ILX was made way before they were able to observe the 2012 Civic situation.
Ideally, and if possible, Honda should have delayed the ILX launch so that it can debut with ED powertrains. The biggest concern so far, at least from this forum, is the lack of engine power. Performance is not the most important factor for entry level luxury car buyers but they certainly don't want to be stuck with 0-60mph in 9 seconds.
Ideally, and if possible, Honda should have delayed the ILX launch so that it can debut with ED powertrains. The biggest concern so far, at least from this forum, is the lack of engine power. Performance is not the most important factor for entry level luxury car buyers but they certainly don't want to be stuck with 0-60mph in 9 seconds.