charliemike

ILX Hybrid Cancelled.

Cites "aligning model range with customer demand"

AKA they weren't selling. Like most of the rest of the lineup that isn't a MDX.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/17/a...nued-official/

AZuser

Keep telling yourself that.

cjTL

iTrader: (2)

What a tragedy.

dom

6 or 7 people are going to very upset.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

6 or 7 out of how many ?

usdmJON

You'd be surprised how many young people post about the ILX being a dream car on social networking sites.

I see it as a stepping stone. Many others see it as a finish line. To each their own.

MTEAZY

You are slow.

cjTL

iTrader: (2)

This is true. Acura still holds an image of prestige amongst a lot of people. Read: not enthusiasts.

Edward'TLS

Late night. Can't think too well this morning. So no tricks.

AZuser

People can post about it being "a dream car" all day. The problem is it hasn't translated into meaningful sales for Acura.

The new Audi A3, Cadillac ATS, Buick Verano, and Mercedes CLA are outselling the ILX.


Acura's just lying to themselves when they say that the
Performance? Maybe the 2.4
Luxury? No
Refinement? No
Value? No
Top selling? No

ttribe

Please, do yourself a favor, take a stats class...please.

Legend2TL

2014 YTD US sales

A3 5283
ILX 7429
CLA 7704
ATS 12,552
Verano 18,106

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/06...s-figures.html

The Americans own the entry market with Acura almost tying MB and Audi lagging behind.

oonowindoo

when was CLA and A3 introduced?

I believe ILX and Verano had a good amount of head start for 2014 model compare to other models.

jwong77

I totally agree with you, but what should they say? I mean its not like they can trash the car on their own PR output.

AZuser

New Audi A3 officially went on sale on April 3, 2014, so if you look at sales for the past 2 months between the ILX and A3, the A3 wins.


2014 ... ILX ..... A3 ...
May = 1,629 ... 2,261
Apr. = 1,659 ... 2,159


If you include A3 sales from February and March (very limited supply at the time) then it obviously doesn't look as good. Oh, and there were 0 Audi A3 sales in January, so Legend2TL's numbers are deceiving since it's comparing 4 months of Audi A3 sales vs 5 months of ILX sales.... something he doesn't bother to mention.


2014 ... ILX ...... A3 ...... CLA ...
May = 1,629 ... 2,261 ... 1,214
Apr. = 1,659 ... 2,159 ... 1,575
Mar = 1,683 .... 300 ..... 1,725
Feb = 1,301 .... 563 ..... 1,971
_______________________________
. . . .. 6,272 ... 5,283 ... 6,485



And while CLA sales aren't a lot higher than ILX sales, they're still higher.

Curious3GTL

They need to replace the 2.0 with the 2.4 and DCT combo from the TLX. The ILX would be a decent car if it wasn't for the slow 2.0. That's it's biggest issue that needs fixing.

Legend2TL

my numbers are goodcarbadcar.com which I presume got them from Audi. I cited the source and stated them as 2014 YTD sales.
If you need to cherry pick data to back up your false statements then have at it.

I'm not a fan of the ILX but it did outsell the A3 and CLA last year.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/12...s-figures.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/10...sa-canada.html

Like I said before the Americans own this market, the ATS selling ~38K and Verano ~45K last year
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

Legend2TL

+1, so true when all 4C Accords com with 185-189HP 2.4L motor it looks foolish for H/A to put a 150HP 2.0L in the ILX.

MeehowsBRZ

There are people who see the ILX as a finish line?! Talk about setting the bar low.

AZuser

Cherry pick? False statements? Oh brother.... What statements are false?

Here's what I stated:
Which, if any, of the above 4 statements I made are false?


When did I ever say that the ILX did not outsell the (old, outgoing and discontinued) A3 or the CLA in 2013?

Here's what I said:

And why would you even compare YTD 2013 ILX sales with YTD 2013 A3 and CLA sales?

1. The A3 was already discontinued and in very limited supply. Audi stopped taking A3 orders in latter half of 2012.

2. You're again unfairly comparing 12 months of ILX sales to 9 months of A3 sales and to 4 months of CLA sales.

3. If you compare the Sept 2013 to Dec 2013 ILX sales to Sept 2013 to Dec 2013 CLA sales (there were zero CLA sales prior to Sept 2013), then the CLA beat the ILX in sales.

. . . . . . . . . ILX vs CLA
Sep 2013 = 1,363 vs 2,310
Oct 2013 = 2,005 vs 4,895
Nov 2013 = 1,582 vs 3,623
Dec 2013 = 1,573 vs 3,285
________________________
TOTALS = 6,523 vs 14,113


Who's cherry picking now?

Legend2TL

The 1st statement is false as you proved yourself wrong in your following post.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=1175

Your original statement was false as you proved it yourself. I also did not know the A3 had changed over.

And you never mentioned the 2013 sales, I added it for context. And note that the A3's highest annual sales was 8040 back in 2006, still less than the ILX worst of 12251 when it went onsale in May still beating the best full year A3's had.

As for who's cheery picking now? You are by picking selective months for sales. I stuck with year and YTD sales figures, not months.

The ILX is a mediocre sedan but so is the A3 and CLA.

MeehowsBRZ

This guy:

Also said this:

Legend2TL

Sure did, context is important

Ken1997TL

Why buy an ILX when the Accord is a better vehicle and offers more for the money?

Derrrrp.

Legend2TL

+1, 366K Accords to 20K ILX's in 2013.

Edward'TLS

Absolutely correct.

AZuser

I showed and compared #s for the months both the ILX and A3 were officially on sale, as well as with the 2 months the A3 was not officially on sale. Nothing was hidden. But I guess I should have clearly stated what I was comparing and looking at, so my bad there.

Still, why would anyone select all 2014 sales #s and compare ILX sales to new A3 sales when the new A3 wasn't even available for all of 2014? The same goes for comparing all 2013 ILX sales with all the CLA sales when the CLA was only available during the last 4 month of 2013?

To be really fair, we should see how A3 sales compare to ILX sales at the end of 2014. That will give a clearer picture.

AZuser

Previous A3 was a wagon. New A3 is a sedan. In the US, sedans have historically sold much better than wagons, so I expect the new A3 (sedan) will sell much better than the old A3 (wagon).

Legend2TL

Fair enough, I only saw the YTD numbers when I first posted. I rarely see ILX's on the road, but also rarely see A3's or CLA's as well so that's why it piqued my interest. I also didn't know the release months for any of them.

The one common theme in all this is expensive low-end entry cars. I read NYT review of the A3 and it's a similar tale to the ILX, over-priced.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/au...rice.html?_r=0

They do attract some buyers in that low low end, but ultimately the A4/C/3/ES/... is a bigger market for the luxury makers. The A4 has ~6-9x outsold the A3, which I see alot more of.

RPhilMan1

Acura made a terrible mistake planning the ILX to take the place of the TSX. The TSX was selling so well and was a great car.

Nonetheless, what a broken record. "Acura made a terrible mistake".

oonowindoo

I would assume the primary reason will be it is Acura vs. Honda.

The same people will turn around and argue Germans are over priced and they only care about the brand when comparing to Acura.

Talking about irony...

neuronbob

This all day long. This gen Accord kicks ass, something it hasn't done for me in ten years.

phile

The only area where I think the ILX currently beats the Accord is in the looks dept. I think the ILX is a very attractive sedan - better looking than both the RLX and the new TLX. It has decent proportions (front overhang is still a bad design that's inescapable due to the FWD architecture) and clean lines.

With that said, if Acura gives it the LED headlights treatment, LED tail lights, make it look even more premium, and up the hp - even despite the 4-cylinder power vs. V6 you get in the Accord Touring - I would probably go ILX as a consumer.

fsttyms1

But it isnt kick ass enough, as the Mazda6 keeps kicking its ass in every mag comparison test

fsttyms1

Black Tire

Are you serious???????

AZuser

Maybe phile got bit by the same bug that bit neuronbob and makes him want an RLX

dom

Mazda 6 seems to beat everything in the segment except for in sales. Its the car everyone loves but nobody buys.

neuronbob

ROFL

It's an RL owner thing, man. If you haven't had one, you wouldn't understand.

Black Tire

I have seen a total of maybe 3-4 ILX up here. After that I think the owners came to their senses and gave it back because I don't see them anymore