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Old 12-13-2012, 11:40 AM
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No, that's not the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is, they're actually starting to own up to mistakes and are willing to fix them. In the past they would have just buried their head in the sand and kept on the same path. That in itself is a step forward.
I understand your point. Yeah...it's nice that Hondack is willing to fix their problem. My point is....they were'nt ready to launch it. They gave themselves another black eye needlessly. They should have just delayed the launch until they were REALLY ready.


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Can't believe Honda didn't see this coming when they just went through the exact same thing with the Civic.
This!
Old 12-13-2012, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pttl
I understand your point. Yeah...it's nice that Hondack is willing to fix their problem. My point is....they were'nt ready to launch it. They gave themselves another black eye needlessly. They should have just delayed the launch until they were REALLY ready.




This!
I think the black eye you are alluding too is more in the perspective of people on this forum.

After all while their sales are below what they were hoping for the ILX the continued to sell both the TSX and ILX and they may have not had as many sales if they did not have the ILX out. Those ILX sales may have gone elsewhere. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by terdonal
the continued to sell both the TSX and ILX and they may have not had as many sales if they did not have the ILX out. Those ILX sales may have gone elsewhere. Just a thought.
You're right about one thing, if Acura didn't have the ILX out sales would have went elsewhere...... they would have went to the TSX.

As it is now, the ILX and TSX are cannibalizing each other.


2012 ILX vs TSX sales and combined sales #s:

Dec. 2012 - ?
Nov. 2012 - 2,108 vs 1,768 = 3,876
Oct. 2012 - 1,529 vs 1,577 = 3,106
Sep. 2012 - 1,737 vs 1,681 = 3,418
Aug. 2012 - 1,733 vs 2,103 = 3,836
Jul.. 2012 - 1,410 vs 1,980 = 3,390
Jun. 2012 - 1,081 vs 2,602 = 3,683
May 2012 - 00168 vs 2,880 = 3,048

2012 TSX sales before ILX came out:

Apr. 2012 - 00000 vs 3,138 = 3,138
Mar. 2012 - 00000 vs 3,355 = 3,355
Feb. 2012 - 00000 vs 3,373 = 3,373
Jan. 2012 - 00000 vs 2,266 = 2,266


2011 TSX sales:

Dec. 2011 - 3,546
Nov. 2011 - 2,691
Oct. 2011 - 2,977
Sep. 2011 - 3,112
Aug. 2011 - 2,263
Jul.. 2011 - 2,137
Jun. 2011 - 1,808
May 2011 - 1,751
Apr. 2011 - 3,105
Mar. 2011 - 2,810
Feb. 2011 - 2,794
Jan. 2011 - 1,941

Looks like TSX sales were starting to get better before the ILX came along, then when the ILX came out, sales were split between the two.

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Old 12-13-2012, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AZuser
You're right about one thing, if Acura didn't have the ILX out sales would have went elsewhere...... they would have went to the TSX.

As it is now, the ILX and TSX are cannibalizing each other.





Looks like TSX sales were starting to get better before the ILX came along, then when the ILX came out, sales were split between the two.
You most certainly could be right but it is all conjecture at this point. There is a lot of tough competiton in this segemnt and sales could have gone anywhere but if you are right they stole the sales from the TSX then there must be a reason for that.
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Originally Posted by terdonal
I think the black eye you are alluding too is more in the perspective of people on this forum.
If you really believe that, you haven't been reading the popular automotive press. Resident critics on this board are not complaining in a vacuum; Acura/Honda created some serious perception issues over the past 5-7 years.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
If you really believe that, you haven't been reading the popular automotive press. Resident critics on this board are not complaining in a vacuum; Acura/Honda created some serious perception issues over the past 5-7 years.
I read as much automotive press, reviews, car shows etc. that I can but imo Joe Public knows little of this. I see the same things on the Home theatre forums, camera forums, photography and other car forums. The people who know about what is going on are the people on the forums but they represent a very small portion of the buying public.

We are I would think more critical and or more appreciative because we are on these forums.
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Comment from LeftLaneNews article about the ILX "refresh"

If running into a brick wall ever becomes an Olympic event Honda is a shoe-in for the gold.

Funny, but so sad, and very, very, true.
Old 12-13-2012, 09:52 PM
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LOL. Who besides Honda/Acura employees or those with their heads stuck up John Mendels ass didn't see this coming.

Go have a read through this thread for the answers.
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Acura ILX is going to keep the 2.0 engine after all

Looks like the news about dropping the 2.0 engine was untrue or is being refuted by Honda.

Source: http://blogs.automotive.com/exclusive-acura-to-retain-2-0-liter-engine-in-ilx-compact-sedan-nsx-pricing-discussed-121509.html#ixzz2EzpiY4Tl

Yesterday, we reported that the Acura ILX compact sedan that debuted in 2012 would have its base 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine dropped from its lineup, leaving only the upmarket 2.4-liter engine producing 201 horsepower and the 38-mpg ILX Hybrid in the lineup.

Those reports were false. The Acura ILX will continue to anchor its lineup with the base 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine, which makes 150 horsepower.

According to the original report we had referenced from Automotive News, Honda executive vice president John Mendel said the ILX with the base engine is ”underpowered, and consumers don’t see the value.” Mendel added that an automatic transmission is on the way for the more powerful 2.4-liter version, as originally intended for the car.

Acura spokesman Carter Jung called the implication that 2.0-liter engine would be dropped “pure speculation.” He said the 2.0-liter base engine would continue to be in the ILX’s portfolio.

“We just introduced the ILX this year,” he said. “It’s not being taken from the lineup.”

Mendel’s comments in the original report suggested that the ILX was a sales disappointment. Jung said the ILX is continuing “growing in momentum.”

“Last month, it was the best-performing sedan in the Acura lineup,” he said. “That was a big milestone for it.”

With 2,108 in sales, the ILX outpaced both the TL sedan (1,918) and TSX (1,768). It should be noted that the TL and TSX are near the end of their lifecycles, and are down on the year. Still, Acura is being bolstered by strong crossover sales, especially from the new RDX compact.

The original report said the ILX was intended to supplant the TSX sedan; Jung said he could not comment on future products. However, Honda spokesman Chris Martin said during a dinner at the Motor Press Guild’s annual Dean Bachelor banquet last night at the Petersen Automotive Museum that, “Honda understands the unique importance that the TSX has had for the Acura lineup and realizes its strength in its segment.”

That’s vague PR speak, sure, but we anticipate Acura isn’t likely to drop out of sight in the segment the TSX inhabits that’s flooded by BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Classes. Look for the brand to continue selling a sportier compact sedan in the middle of the $35,000 segment in the future to complement the ILX’s entry-level approach.

Martin also said that while Honda is in no position to announce pricing for the upcoming NSX supercar, it will likely be higher than the Nissan GT-R’s, which starts at $97,820 in the U.S. for 2013.

“It’s going to be a technological marvel,” says Martin.

The Acura NSX is set to go into production for the 2015 model year in Marysville, Ohio. It will be the first specialty, hand-built sports car Honda has ever built outside of Japan, using a mid-engine layout and complex hybrid powertrain to power all four wheels.

Martin says that with the new Accord, redesigned 2013 Civic, and future products likely to include a production version of the Urban SUV Concept that was teased yesterday and the 2014 Acura MDX prototype teased today, the automaker will be in a good position as it moves forward.
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Nice to see Honda showing a united front.

Since Mendel is higher on the totem pole I'll go with his side of the story for now.
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So as it stands at the moment, the ILX's direct competitor is the TSX and the RL's direct competitor is the TL SH-AWD. Nice to see that Acura is keeping everything in-house, including the competition.
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“Last month, it was the best-performing sedan in the Acura lineup,” he said. “That was a big milestone for it.”
That's truly not saying much.
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As bad as things seems with Acura on the sedan side, the overall sales numbers compared to the others (and recent past) is not that bad. As much as the management talks about keeping a 4 sedan lineup I just don't see it happening.
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I still don't understand why they have the 2.0 in the lineup. Yes, I know that it lowers the price and thus expands the lineup price range.... but having a car in your luxury make perform similarly to a run-of-the-mill Civic just doesn't make sense. They had three engine choices right off the bat.
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Perhaps it will be a 2.0L version of ED? Still better than the current R20 I'd imagine.
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Originally Posted by biker
As bad as things seems with Acura on the sedan side, the overall sales numbers compared to the others (and recent past) is not that bad. As much as the management talks about keeping a 4 sedan lineup I just don't see it happening.
Having a kick arse MDX (with over the top incentives) and a solid 2G RDX helps a ton.
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An R20 with direct injection makes sense from a CAFE standards point of view. Otherwise, drop it. The ILX should be a K24 and hybrid car. And update the hybrid to the CR-Z levels of performance and technology. The CR-Z has lithium ion batteries, S+ (push to pass) button and about 35% more power.
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Originally Posted by biker
As bad as things seems with Acura on the sedan side, the overall sales numbers compared to the others (and recent past) is not that bad. As much as the management talks about keeping a 4 sedan lineup I just don't see it happening.
4 sedan lineup are necessary not luxury.
Audi/Lexus/MB/BMW all are going towards 4 sedan lineup.Not only 4 sedan line up but long wheel base versions also. see A8L/750L/LS460L. Coupes are over the top of that.

Since RLX is now 196inch. there is place for 191inch midsize to compete with GS/ES. and another one to compete with enlarge IS.
I highly doubt Acura is going to lunch another sedan untill IS is seen up in world markets. IS is the only Lexus that had diesel around the world. At this point there is no ILX diesel.
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Since RLX is now 196inch. there is place for 191inch midsize to compete with GS/ES. and another one to compete with enlarge IS.
Are you saying Acura's going to use the TL to compete with the GS/ES then? 4G TL is 194 inches.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
An R20 with direct injection makes sense from a CAFE standards point of view. Otherwise, drop it. The ILX should be a K24 and hybrid car. And update the hybrid to the CR-Z levels of performance and technology. The CR-Z has lithium ion batteries, S+ (push to pass) button and about 35% more power.
I'm thinking for the hybrid, Acura will/should go with the SPORT HYBRID I-DCD system for the ILX. This setup includes a 1.5L Atkinson cycle engine with a 7-speed DCT system with a built-in high-output motor and a lithium-ion battery. This is a decent upgrade from the IMA I think and should be sportier with the DCT vs CVT.
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2013 Acura ILX 2.4 vs 2013 Buick Verano Turbo

From Autoblog:
Twenty years ago, a comparison between an entry-level Buick and its Acura equivalent would have matched a Skylark against an Integra. The unfair battle would have resulted in the compact American's defeat in nearly every measurable category, as the Japanese competitor was arguably at the height of its powers.

Yet the automotive industry has flipped, twisted and merged itself through more than just a recession over the past two decades – it's morphed into a whole different ballgame. Pitting a Buick against an Acura makes perfect sense today, as both automakers are peddling new entry-level models designed to scoop up buyers seeking premium features, luxury appointments and fuel efficiency in a reasonably priced compact sedan package.

Today's battle is between the Verano and the ILX. Instead of wringing out the base models and setting ourselves up for a day-long yawnfest, we chose the most powerful and dynamic variants of each, configuring them with six-speed manual transmissions to liven the pace. This unquestionably made our behind-the-wheel excursion more interesting, but we soon realized that our enthusiast-oriented decision would introduce a whole new set of headaches.

The Buick Verano was launched at the 2011 Detroit Auto Show as a new-for-2012 model. Although it shares Delta II platforms with the Chevrolet Cruze and Opel Astra, General Motors has gone the extra mile, giving the more premium Verano its own unique styling inside and out, and it's fitted the four-door sedan with laminated glass, triple door seals and a long list of other sound-deadening upgrades to separate it from its lesser sibling. Buick calls the cabin "library quiet," and its interior features an appointment level on par with its larger LaCrosse sibling.

The Acura ILX was launched at the 2012 Chicago Auto Show as a new-for-2013 model. The four-door sedan shares platforms with the Honda Civic, but the automaker resculpted its panels to change its proportions and imbued it with a more befitting interior complete with upscale switchgear. Signature Acura touches such as the dual arched instrument panel and a red push-button starter to the right of the steering wheel complete the transformation.

Both the Buick and Acura are built in the United States (the Verano in Orion Township, Michigan, and the ILX in Greenburg, Indiana), and each is offered in several trims with a choice of engines. While the base models of each start in the mid-$20,000 range, we chose to compare the range-topping trims, as they are similarly equipped and very closely matched in overall performance.

Our 2013 ILX, a six-speed manual with the Premium package trim, arrived painted in Silver Moon over ebony leather carrying an as-tested price of $30,095. The only addendum to its $29,200 MSRP was the mandatory destination fee of $895. Standard equipment includes full power accessories, an eight-way power-operated driver's seat, dual-zone climate control, Bluetooth and a 350-watt premium audio system. Navigation, conspicuously missing from our ILX, is not offered on this particular model (yet).

Under the Acura's hood lies a naturally aspirated 2.4-liter four-cylinder rated at 201 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 170 pound-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm. The transverse-mounted engine, basically shared with the Honda Civic Si and Acura TSX, sends its power through a close-ratio six-speed manual gearbox to the front wheels and earns an EPA fuel economy rating of 22 mpg city and 31 mpg highway. The suspension is an independent MacPherson strut design up front with a multi-link setup in the rear. There are disc brakes at all corners and its 17-inch alloys are wrapped in 215/45R17 Michelin HX MXM4 all-season grand touring rubber.

Our 2013 Verano, a six-speed manual in Premium trim, was painted in Luxo Blue Metallic over Choccachino (honest) premium leather and carried an as-tested price of $31,695. The base price ($29,105) was bumped up with the addition of a power sunroof ($900), satellite radio with navigation ($795) and a mandatory destination fee ($895). Standard equipment includes full power accessories, six-way power-operated driver's seat, dual-zone automatic climate control, Bluetooth, Bose premium audio and navigation bundled with Buick Intellilink connectivity.

Nestled under the hood of the Buick is a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder rated at 250 horsepower at 5,300 rpm and 260 pound-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm. The transverse-mounted engine, shared with the Buick Regal GS, sends its power through a six-speed manual gearbox to the front wheels to earn an EPA fuel economy rating of 20 mpg city and 31 mpg highway. The suspension is independent with MacPherson struts up front and a torsion beam augmented by a Watts Z-link in the rear. There are disc brakes at all corners and its 18-inch alloy wheels are wrapped in 235/45R18 Continental ContiProContact all-season grand touring rubber.

Parked side-by-side, the Buick Verano is wider, taller and longer than the Acura, but only marginally. A tape measure reveals that both are within an inch of each other in wheelbase (105.7 inches to 105.1), but the Verano is about four inches longer overall (183.9 inches vs. 179.1). Place each on a scale, and the Buick is the heavier of the pair with a curb weight of 3,300 pounds (compared to the ILX curb weight of 2,978 pounds), That said, both carry about 61 percent of their weight over the front wheels – typical for a front-drive car.

To compare the Verano against the ILX, I teamed up with Translogic contributor Kyle Thibaut and Autoblog photographer extraordinaire Drew Phillips and headed out on a nice day trip that would bring our near-lux sedans from sea level up to Southern California's snow line (about 5,000 feet elevation this time of year) and back down. The route offered plenty of urban driving, wide-open mountain canyon roads and mundane freeway travel. After loading the center consoles with Red Bull, Swedish Fish and beef jerky, we filled each tank with fuel and began our comparison.

First impressions are critical – emotional appeal is what moves most cars out of the showroom – so after a brief orientation, we parked the two compact luxury sedans side-by-side and took a good look at each.

Between the two, it was the Verano's design that stole all of the attention. The sedan has a fresh, upscale and purposeful design that we felt definitely projected a more premium vibe. Phillips: "At first blush, the Buick really stands out to me as an attractive car, in part due to the blue paint and the beautiful brown leather interior. I know Buick has made an effort to build a car for a younger demographic, and in this car, they've succeeded." Yet there was some dissent. Thibaut called out GM's platform sharing immediately: "It's clearly a Chevrolet Cruze... and I'm not sure if Buick's design language does enough to attract younger buyers, especially with those rear chrome eyebrows." We all felt that the Verano's "Angry Bird" rear lights were a bit distracting, and we also found it odd that GM declined to spill the beans on our tester's turbocharged powerplant. "There should be visual differentiators like wheels and fascia, and performance indicators like a lower sport suspension and brakes," said Thibaut. "The only indicator is a little red 'T' badge on the trunklid."

The Acura ILX isn't a bad-looking sedan either, but its bland overall design means it has an even more difficult time removing itself from its Honda roots. "Looks a lot like the Civic," said Thibaut before peering inside. "The styling appears to reflect a 'make it work' attitude and the interior design borrows from Acura's design language, but in a more minimal way," he added. Upon closer inspection, all of us agreed that the fit and finish were below what we expected from a premium brand. Everything from the inexpensive appearing headlight assembly to the unsubstantial sound of the doors closing reminded us more of a Honda.

Buick also took top mentions for interior appointments, build quality and comfort with its warm and inviting cabin. "The interior is at the level of a luxury sedan, just smaller," said Thibaut in a subtle reference to its bigger LaCrosse sibling. We likewise expected premium materials in the ILX, especially as Acura is better established as a premium marque, but the small sedan let us down. Its interior wasn't even as nice as the emergency-refresh 2013 Civic. "I've seen better leather on a Kia," blasted Thibaut. Rumor has it that Acura will be making a few Civic-like upgrades to the ILX in the near future, and it can't come soon enough.

We settled into each of the cabins, turned on a pair of Motorola two-way walkie talkies, and aimed our hoods eastward.

The first part of the drive was an exercise in carving canyons as we forced each sedan to climb nearly a mile in altitude over a 20-mile distance. The two-lane road was free of traffic, so we were able to push the ILX and Verano to our comfort levels. As neither is touted as a sport sedan, our expectations were not particularly high.

Buick's hot little turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine emerged as a workhorse, pulling the Verano strongly up each of the mountains. "Lots of power once the turbo kicks in," said Kyle over the radio, verbally expressing what each of us had been thinking the whole time. But a good engine is nothing without a competent transmission, and that's exactly where the Buick fell on its face. Its sloppy six-speed gearbox soon attracted a storm of complaints: "The manual transmission seems like an afterthought in the Verano Turbo, feeling vague and uncommunicative. In fact, the gearing of the six-speed transmission feels far too high, often leaving the turbo-four out of its powerband," said a frustrated Phillips. When the engine was spun to redline, the fuel flow was abruptly cut resulting in an immediate loss of power. This annoyed all of us, but it particularly chafed Thibaut: "The very aggressive rev limiter is incredibly annoying. This frustrating and awkward manual transmission is the reason people don't buy manuals anymore – why even offer a stick shift if it's going to be this bad?"

The engine in the Acura, an automaker long known for its wonderful naturally aspirated four-cylinder mills, screamed effortlessly all the way to its soft redline with each throw of its short-shift lever. Power was obviously down compared to the Buick, but the shorter gearing and more precise shifter action in the ILX made it the favorite in the mountains. "Great Honda engine note all the way past 7,200 rpm... and the manual transmission is fun – clutch and shifter are robust and offer quick shifts." More test notes: "The ILX sounds like a racecar for the street. While it may not be the most pleasant thing to listen to on the freeway as it hovers above 3,000 rpm, it's an addictive noise when you're engaged in spirited driving."

After the first stop, halfway up the mountain, everyone fought over the keys to the Acura. It didn't seem to have the power or even the lateral grip of the Buick, but it was much more communicative in terms of steering, chassis and throttle response. "The ILX is undoubtedly the better car to throw around on a canyon road," said Phillips matter-of-factly. "Not that many buyers will purchase it for this type of mission, but the car is certainly capable of an entertaining Sunday drive." The steering on the Buick felt artificial and vague, and its superior cabin isolation was discomforting when pushed hard, as the drive felt disconnected from the pavement. Said Thibaut succinctly: "I can't communicate with the road in the Verano."

A similar lack of engagement was found with the Buick's manual gearbox, as it seemed out of place. The Verano's clutch pedal felt disconnected, and its shifter sloppy. Some of us complained about missing shifts. The Acura, on the other hand, was nearly perfect with a smooth clutch and tactile lever action. "The ILX's shifter is its saving grace, allowing for gear changes that are both accurate and lightning fast with a flick of the wrist," said Drew. Everybody agreed.

In terms of real-world acceleration, the ILX is quicker off the line thanks to its slick shifter and lower gearing. The more powerful Verano bogs and chokes off the line, but its more powerful engine doesn't have any problem passing the Acura once it hits its stride. Passing maneuvers were much less stressful in the Buick too, thanks to the instant torque the turbocharger helped deliver. We estimate both will hit 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, give or take a few a few tenths.


After dropping down the other side of the mountain, we stopped for more road trip snacks before starting our 100-mile highway portion of the comparison.

Within minutes, the rosy hue encircling the ILX and it sporty demeanor began to fade as the Verano's vault-like chassis, whisper-quiet interior and suite of amenities began to win each of us over. With the Buick's agonizing manual transmission left untouched in sixth gear for the duration, we focused on its the audio system, navigation package and creature comforts. It was almost an unfair comparison. The no-nonsense cabin of the Acura, acceptable when focused on sporty driving, became noisy, with an annoying engine drone when cruising at highway speeds. Thibaut called it, "way too loud, and it seems as if there is a lot of coarse noise coming from the underbelly." Phillips mirrored his comments nearly spot-on. "Going from the Verano Turbo to the ILX, the first thing you notice is the noise. It's a loud car, with everything from tires to wind to the engine contributing."

Both the Acura and Buick were competent freeway companions, but the ILX's engine was spinning about 1,000 rpm faster than the turbocharged engine under the hood of the Verano, and its cabin was much louder and more reflective – the noise just seemed to bounce around. There was no contest about which was the better cross-country cruiser, the Buick owned the highway portion of our comparison.

The city schlep was interesting. Our three-man team preferred the Buick's cabin and connectivity, but once again, we didn't like its transmission. The Acura was more engaging, but it fell short on creature comforts and overall refinement. We longed for a Buick with a slushbox and wished for more amenities in the Acura.

We ended our drive at a gas station. Despite following each other nose-to-tail, the trip odometer of the Verano read 196.8 miles while the ILX had only counted 194.7 miles – chalk it up to a one-percent odometer error. We pumped 6.78 gallons of premium unleaded into the Acura and 7.77 gallons of premium unleaded into the Buick, for a trip fuel economy of 28.7 mpg and 25.1 mpg, respectively. The Buick cost us $4.60 more in fuel for the identical trip.

A few minutes later, as Phillips set up his equipment for sunset photography, we mulled over which sedan won the comparison – as we don't hand out participation trophies at Autoblog, one of these two was going home a loser.

Our final vote was tallied, and the decision was unanimous – we all preferred the Buick Verano Turbo over the Acura ILX Premium.

Throughout the entire comparison, the ILX simply couldn't shake its Civic roots. It was constantly referred to as "the Honda" during our radio chatter (we never once called the Verano "the Chevrolet"), and we couldn't stop thinking about the still-outstanding Civic Si each time we slid behind the Acura's wheel. "I want to like the ILX, but the car simply doesn't make sense to me. The interior isn't nice enough to appeal to me as an entry-level luxury sedan, and the performance isn't good enough to justify its lack of quality in the interior. At the end of the day, nothing about the car stands out enough to make me want to choose it," Drew observed. Thibaut questioned why the low-volume ILX Premium model was even offered. "This particular trim does not need to exist. The question is, are a few premium features hiding behind an Acura badge worth 125-percent of the price of the Si? The answer is a million times no."

None of us questioned the sticker price of the Buick. "The Verano Turbo is the better entry-level luxury sedan. It's more comfortable, quieter and a more practical powertrain." Premium materials aside, Kyle went out of his way to point out that the Verano had more useable interior space (especially in the rear seats), a larger trunk, bigger brakes, larger wheels and more horsepower. "Clearly, the Verano is the best value by a long shot," he concluded. So much so, that two of us questioned whether it was a better value than the only marginally larger, yet more expensive, Buick Regal.

But interestingly enough, none of us would recommend the Verano Turbo with its manual gearbox – nearly all of our gripes had to do with that lifeless transmission – the no-cost six-speed automatic is the proper entry-level luxury buyer's choice.

With the sun dropped below the horizon and the photography complete, we climbed back into our cars for the short drive back to our original meeting spot. After a few moments of silence, a voice came over the radio airwaves with an encapsulating sentence: "The Verano feels like a cheap version of an expensive car, while the ILX feels like an expensive version of a cheap car." Although our vehicles were hundreds of yards apart and moving down the highway at better than 70 mph, each of us realized that we were nodding our heads in agreement – it would be difficult to summarize our comparison more succinctly.
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^^ I was going to post that. It looks like if the Buick had the Acura transmission they would have loved it.
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Though I'm not a fan of the ILX, and I certainly agree with the criticisms, I can't help but feel like that comparison really leaned into the ILX's faults moreso than necessary. I don't think it's bland, first of all. In fact, it's the best looking Acura sedan right now. Again, I don't see the Civic in the ILX's exterior. They've done an amazing job at differentiating it from the Civic's look.

Where I do see the econo-sedan roots is on the inside. The slim center console, the closely placed air vents, the smaller scaled everything - all telltale signs of a humbler beginning. I think Acura could've done a significantly better job there.
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^ and hence the early MMC a la Civic.
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^^ I was going to post that. It looks like if the Buick had the Acura transmission they would have loved it.
But, Any car with a manual would benefit from a Honda manual trans. They are amongst the smoothest and best out there.
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Originally Posted by phile
Though I'm not a fan of the ILX, and I certainly agree with the criticisms, I can't help but feel like that comparison really leaned into the ILX's faults moreso than necessary. I don't think it's bland, first of all. In fact, it's the best looking Acura sedan right now. Again, I don't see the Civic in the ILX's exterior. They've done an amazing job at differentiating it from the Civic's look.

Where I do see the econo-sedan roots is on the inside. The slim center console, the closely placed air vents, the smaller scaled everything - all telltale signs of a humbler beginning. I think Acura could've done a significantly better job there.
I always don't see any trace of Civic in the ILX, other than the fact that both are as large (or small) as each other. I also think it's a good looking sedan. I'd change the lights to LED's though to make it better.

I've driven it several times and I didn't think the interior looks cheap or poorly designed. I also feel that the NVH is just fine. The tranny doesn't shift very smoothly though and the jerk during each shift is very noticeable. Also it's short on power. It doesn't feel much, if any faster, than a regular Civic.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I always don't see any trace of Civic in the ILX, other than the fact that both are as large (or small) as each other. I also think it's a good looking sedan. I'd change the lights to LED's though to make it better.

I've driven it several times and I didn't think the interior looks cheap or poorly designed. I also feel that the NVH is just fine. The tranny doesn't shift very smoothly though and the jerk during each shift is very noticeable. Also it's short on power. It doesn't feel much, if any faster, than a regular Civic.
Guessing you're talking about the 2.0?
The 2.4 I test drove late last year definitely didn't feel short on power. Seat of the pants dyno, it felt as quick or quicker than my '00 TL.
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Any news on the sales number for the ILX? I assume sales are really really slow. I only saw one on the road since it's introduction. I assume most people woke up and thought the Accord is the better deal.
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it's doing well relative to Acura. It's outselling the TSX,not by a huge margin, though, but nowhere near the ~3300/month projected number (they were hoping for 40k/year).
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Any news on the sales number for the ILX? I assume sales are really really slow. I only saw one on the road since it's introduction. I assume most people woke up and thought the Accord is the better deal.
I've seen 2 on the road here in N Houston. A gray one that I only saw once & I've seen the same white one 3 or 4 times.
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Guessing you're talking about the 2.0?
The 2.4 I test drove late last year definitely didn't feel short on power. Seat of the pants dyno, it felt as quick or quicker than my '00 TL.
Yea, the 2.0. The 2.4 should be fine with 200hp. After all, the car is less than 3000lb. It's not that the 2.0 can't keep up with traffic, but being just adequate is not what luxury is about IMO.

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Any news on the sales number for the ILX? I assume sales are really really slow. I only saw one on the road since it's introduction. I assume most people woke up and thought the Accord is the better deal.
It's lower than expected. It was projected to be 40k/year. I think that figure was assuming that ED powertrain would feature in the ILX. But since that's not the case, they have revised that figure to 30k/year. They are still not quite there yet, and that's with some significant incentives.

I see quite a few ILX's here in Canada though. It's not as bad of a deal here. Here is the pricing in Canada:

ILX: CAD$27,790 ($1900 more than US)
ILX Premium & Dynamic: CAD$29,990 ($700 more than US)
ILX Tech: CAD$32,290 ($900 more than US)
ILX Hybrid: CAD$34,990 ($600 more than US)

Other than the base ILX, our prices are pretty close to the US prices, which is rather uncommon. For instance, our TL is $4000 more than the US TL, trim by trim (i.e. base TL is CAD$40k, vs US$36k in US). Our base MDX is CAD$53k, while a base MDX in the US is US$43k. For US$54k, you can get the top of the line MDX. Our top of the line MDX is over CAD$63k.

Acura Canada is also offering some decent deals on the ILX. For instance, you can get a ILX premium by paying ILX base price. That's roughly the same price as the Honda Accord Sport with CVT. For that kind of money, you can get into an Accord EX-L in the US. I guess this is why people are more willing to buy the ILX here in Canada.
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Originally Posted by iforyou

It's lower than expected. It was projected to be 40k/year. I think that figure was assuming that ED powertrain would feature in the ILX. But since that's not the case, they have revised that figure to 30k/year. They are still not quite there yet, and that's with some significant incentives.
As this comparison has pointed out, the drivetrain is not the issue. Like the Civic, the issue is the interior. And the fact that for almost the same street price you can get a the TSX - a much better car Once they improve the interior and there's no TSX on the lot, sales will go up.
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Hmm...I've driven the ILX several times, I didn't feel the interior was any inferior than the 2g TSX. In fact, they both feel really similar to me in pretty much every area. The TSX is a touch more refined though.
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Originally Posted by biker
As this comparison has pointed out, the drivetrain is not the issue.
150HP in a 'Premium' car is one hell of an issue. If you mean the 2.4, then the lack of a AT is clearly the issue there.
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^^ Perhaps Acura understands this Hence why they shy away from being a true top-tier premium brand so they can sell a civic with an Acura badge and not get too much blow-back from it.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Hmm...I've driven the ILX several times, I didn't feel the interior was any inferior than the 2g TSX. In fact, they both feel really similar to me in pretty much every area. The TSX is a touch more refined though.
After having driven the ILX, I can state that it's a solid car....in and of itself. The materials used are decent and it has a respectable powertrain for a subcompact.

Unfortunately it's the least substantial model within a brand seeking relevancy.
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Acura dialed ILX production way back last month

Just 91 Acura ILXs rolled off of Honda's Greensburg, Indiana, assembly line last month as the Japanese automaker attempted to rein in high numbers of unsold inventory.

Despite virtually halting production last month, the ILX's story isn't as simple as it seems.

Early last fall, Honda cranked out about a years' worth of ILXs in just three months while its Greensburg plant waited to build the refreshed-for-2013 Honda Civic with which the ILX shares its underpinnings.

But even with that excessive production spurt, the ILX hasn't quite managed to find buyers like Honda has hoped. The automaker faults the weak-performing 2.0-liter four-cylinder base engine and the manual gearbox-only 2.4-liter model. But with 2,059 ILXs sold last month, the compact isn't quite a flop - and it's doing its job of outselling the more costly-to-build, Japan-assembled TSX, which found a mere, 1,492 new owners in March.

Automotive News reports that, even with the significant production cutback, Acura had on April 1 105 days' worth of ILX inventory, compared to 96 days on the first of March. Those figures are ultra high for Honda, an automaker that has long prided itself on not saddling dealers with tough-to-sell models.

One major benefit of sharing the ILX's factory, platform and many of components with the Civic is that the automaker can easily adjust production in favor of one model or the other. Since both the Civic and the Honda CR-V crossover are performing so well in the marketplace currently, Honda has found itself cranking out those models at its factories in favor of the theoretically higher-margin ILX.

However, it's expected that Honda will soon revise the ILX to address some of its shortcomings.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/acura-di...cJBTHMI6jvC.99
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KILL IT!!! Every time i see an ILX, i question myself why does it belong to Acura?


Keep the TSX and make a TSX Coupe. Acura you will be ok!
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Just rename the ILX as TSX, make a coupe, upgrade the powertrains, add some extra features, keep the price the same, add a type s variant.
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Well according to Colin the ILX is largely unchanged for 2014 so Acura must be somewhat confident that sales will pick up and aren't as concerned about it as they were the 2012 Civic.


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