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#921
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Hey, I like the ILX. But that makes me a weirdo I guess.
The magazine ad sucks, though. WTF?
6MT with the 2.4l engine would make a fun, luxurious little daily driver that sips on gas. Of course, my S2000 gets similar mileage, has a drop top, and screams to 9k rpm.
The magazine ad sucks, though. WTF?
6MT with the 2.4l engine would make a fun, luxurious little daily driver that sips on gas. Of course, my S2000 gets similar mileage, has a drop top, and screams to 9k rpm.
#922
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And honda doesn't make them anymore.
#923
weirdo. I actually like the ILX a lot - the design is really good, even more impressive considering the building block they used. It's just the drive train choice that they decided to go with that is disappoints. And while the earth dream tech will surely show up eventually, it begs the question as to why not just wait until then to release the (better) ILX? The TSX is doing fine holding the entry level gate open.
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#924
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^ because it was based on the Civic and that platform has a limited lifespan. Also, at the MMC they can trumpet all of the improvements in the drivetrain.
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#926
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^ the Germans carry over drivetrains at FMC all the time - Honda thinks it can get away with it too. It would be worse to rush the ED drivetrain and get it wrong than to wait a year or two.
#927
Honda Fanboy
An Acura rep already stated that they are not waiting until the MMC to give the ILX the ED engines. It will get the engines as soon as they are available. Why weren't they available from the start? Maybe they were supposed to be but were delayed because of the tsunami. I expect to see them in the next MY.
#928
I think the sales #'s so far say otherwise. with the projected forecast they should be selling over 3K each month. Now with the first full month, usually sales #'s peak due to novelty as an advantage, and then either remain steady (if it's a hit) or slow down. but that didn't happen
#929
Honda Fanboy
I think the sales #'s so far say otherwise. with the projected forecast they should be selling over 3K each month. Now with the first full month, usually sales #'s peak due to novelty as an advantage, and then either remain steady (if it's a hit) or slow down. but that didn't happen
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Edmund's 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid Track Test
Acura's newest model, the ILX, is aimed squarely at attracting younger buyers to the Acura brand. Acura's already attacked the drivers of the segment with the ILX 2.4 and its straight-from-a-Civic-Si powertrain, and now it's aiming at the green set with the 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid.
The Hybrid swaps out the fan-favorite 2.4-liter inline-4 and six-speed manual transmission for a 1.5-liter four-pot backed by an electric motor and a CVT (continuously variable transmission). This results in a 90-hp drop, but a significant improvement in fuel economy. The 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid returns 39 city/38 highway mpg and a combined EPA rating of 38 mpg.
But is it any good to drive? We took it to the track to find out.
Vehicle: 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid with Technology Package
Odometer: 2,876
Date: 7/3/2012
Driver: Chris Walton
Price: $35,295 (price as tested)
Specifications:
Drive Type: Front engine, front-wheel drive
Transmission Type: CVT
Engine Type: Naturally aspirated, port-injected inline-4
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 1,497/91.4
Redline (rpm): 6,000
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 111 @ 5,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 127 @ 1,000
Brake Type (front): 10.3-inch ventilated discs with single-piston sliding calipers
Brake Type (rear): 10.2-inch solid discs with single-piston sliding calipers
Suspension Type(front): Independent MacPherson struts, coil springs, twin-tube dampers, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent multilink, coil springs, twin-tube dampers, stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): P205/55R16 (89H)
Tire Size (rear): P205/55R16 (89H)
Tire Brand: Continental
Tire Model: ContiProContact
Tire Type: All-season
As tested Curb Weight (lb): 2,960
Test Results:
Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 3.8 (3.9 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 6.5 (6.6 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 10.4 (10.5 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 10.0 (10.1 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 16.2 (16.2 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 17.6 @ 77.9 (17.7 @ 78.2 w/ TC on)
Braking
30-0 (ft): 31
60-0 (ft): 129
Handling
Slalom (mph): 63.6 (61.0 w/ESC ON)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.81 (0.77 w/TC on)
Db @ Idle: 38.0 (engine off)
Db @ Full Throttle: 74.1
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 69.1
RPM @ 70: 2,250
Comments:
Acceleration: The ILX benefits only slightly from Trac Off and generous pedal overlap to keep the engine running at launch. Drive is the quickest/fastest mode — S and Manual shift modes are slower because they insert artificial gearchanges into the CVT's otherwise near-redline quarter-mile passes.
Braking: Normal jump-in with normal driving disappears with a "panic" stop where the car feels as if it didn't begin braking in earnest until 45-0 (just like the non-hybrid ILX). First stop was the shortest and the pedal went slightly softer by the fourth stop, where it tracked straight, but distance grew by 4-5 feet.
Handling:
Skid pad:With ESC Off, the ILX feels well balanced and begins a mild understeer condition that only requires throttle steering — I never moved my hands at all. Steering is pretty isolated with linear buildup, but doesn't feel like numb EPS per se. With ESC On it begins to allow the same amount of understeer, but closes throttle shy of howling tires.
Slalom: Slow-ish steering response (a little numb, too), moderate yaw reaction, but it feels stable and predictable nonetheless. With ESC Off, the car is neutral and wants to be chucked past each cone, but the tires won't cash that check and only allow predictable breakaway at a fairly low threshold. ESC On snubbed understeer with fairly heavy-handed (and loud) individual brake application. Effective but obviously conservative settings.
The Hybrid swaps out the fan-favorite 2.4-liter inline-4 and six-speed manual transmission for a 1.5-liter four-pot backed by an electric motor and a CVT (continuously variable transmission). This results in a 90-hp drop, but a significant improvement in fuel economy. The 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid returns 39 city/38 highway mpg and a combined EPA rating of 38 mpg.
But is it any good to drive? We took it to the track to find out.
Vehicle: 2013 Acura ILX Hybrid with Technology Package
Odometer: 2,876
Date: 7/3/2012
Driver: Chris Walton
Price: $35,295 (price as tested)
Specifications:
Drive Type: Front engine, front-wheel drive
Transmission Type: CVT
Engine Type: Naturally aspirated, port-injected inline-4
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 1,497/91.4
Redline (rpm): 6,000
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 111 @ 5,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 127 @ 1,000
Brake Type (front): 10.3-inch ventilated discs with single-piston sliding calipers
Brake Type (rear): 10.2-inch solid discs with single-piston sliding calipers
Suspension Type(front): Independent MacPherson struts, coil springs, twin-tube dampers, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent multilink, coil springs, twin-tube dampers, stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): P205/55R16 (89H)
Tire Size (rear): P205/55R16 (89H)
Tire Brand: Continental
Tire Model: ContiProContact
Tire Type: All-season
As tested Curb Weight (lb): 2,960
Test Results:
Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 3.8 (3.9 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 6.5 (6.6 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 10.4 (10.5 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 10.0 (10.1 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 16.2 (16.2 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 17.6 @ 77.9 (17.7 @ 78.2 w/ TC on)
Braking
30-0 (ft): 31
60-0 (ft): 129
Handling
Slalom (mph): 63.6 (61.0 w/ESC ON)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.81 (0.77 w/TC on)
Db @ Idle: 38.0 (engine off)
Db @ Full Throttle: 74.1
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 69.1
RPM @ 70: 2,250
Comments:
Acceleration: The ILX benefits only slightly from Trac Off and generous pedal overlap to keep the engine running at launch. Drive is the quickest/fastest mode — S and Manual shift modes are slower because they insert artificial gearchanges into the CVT's otherwise near-redline quarter-mile passes.
Braking: Normal jump-in with normal driving disappears with a "panic" stop where the car feels as if it didn't begin braking in earnest until 45-0 (just like the non-hybrid ILX). First stop was the shortest and the pedal went slightly softer by the fourth stop, where it tracked straight, but distance grew by 4-5 feet.
Handling:
Skid pad:With ESC Off, the ILX feels well balanced and begins a mild understeer condition that only requires throttle steering — I never moved my hands at all. Steering is pretty isolated with linear buildup, but doesn't feel like numb EPS per se. With ESC On it begins to allow the same amount of understeer, but closes throttle shy of howling tires.
Slalom: Slow-ish steering response (a little numb, too), moderate yaw reaction, but it feels stable and predictable nonetheless. With ESC Off, the car is neutral and wants to be chucked past each cone, but the tires won't cash that check and only allow predictable breakaway at a fairly low threshold. ESC On snubbed understeer with fairly heavy-handed (and loud) individual brake application. Effective but obviously conservative settings.
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Yup, $34k for a 110hp car that does 0-60mph in 10s. What a joke.
Should have brought back the previous hybrid accord powertrain....
Give it a few tweaks, along with the lighter curb weight of the ILX and that would be a fast, fuel efficient car that is worthy of the price tag.
Power: 255 hp
Torque: 240 lbft
Weight: 3050lb (~90lb more than current ILX hybrid)
Price: $35k
0-60: 6s
1/4 mile: 14.5@98mph
That's much better than.
Power: 111 hp
Torque: 127 lbft
Weight: 2960lb
Price: $35k
0-60: 10s
1/4 mile: 17.6@78mph
And yes, I do think a J series would fit in the the ILX as the J series is one of the smallest V6's out there. Besides, people have been swapping J series into EK Civic for a while....
Should have brought back the previous hybrid accord powertrain....
Give it a few tweaks, along with the lighter curb weight of the ILX and that would be a fast, fuel efficient car that is worthy of the price tag.
Power: 255 hp
Torque: 240 lbft
Weight: 3050lb (~90lb more than current ILX hybrid)
Price: $35k
0-60: 6s
1/4 mile: 14.5@98mph
That's much better than.
Power: 111 hp
Torque: 127 lbft
Weight: 2960lb
Price: $35k
0-60: 10s
1/4 mile: 17.6@78mph
And yes, I do think a J series would fit in the the ILX as the J series is one of the smallest V6's out there. Besides, people have been swapping J series into EK Civic for a while....
#934
Yup, $34k for a 110hp car that does 0-60mph in 10s. What a joke.
Should have brought back the previous hybrid accord powertrain....
Give it a few tweaks, along with the lighter curb weight of the ILX and that would be a fast, fuel efficient car that is worthy of the price tag.
Power: 255 hp
Torque: 240 lbft
Weight: 3050lb (~90lb more than current ILX hybrid)
Price: $35k
0-60: 6s
1/4 mile: 14.5@98mph
That's much better than.
Power: 111 hp
Torque: 127 lbft
Weight: 2960lb
Price: $35k
0-60: 10s
1/4 mile: 17.6@78mph
And yes, I do think a J series would fit in the the ILX as the J series is one of the smallest V6's out there. Besides, people have been swapping J series into EK Civic for a while....
Should have brought back the previous hybrid accord powertrain....
Give it a few tweaks, along with the lighter curb weight of the ILX and that would be a fast, fuel efficient car that is worthy of the price tag.
Power: 255 hp
Torque: 240 lbft
Weight: 3050lb (~90lb more than current ILX hybrid)
Price: $35k
0-60: 6s
1/4 mile: 14.5@98mph
That's much better than.
Power: 111 hp
Torque: 127 lbft
Weight: 2960lb
Price: $35k
0-60: 10s
1/4 mile: 17.6@78mph
And yes, I do think a J series would fit in the the ILX as the J series is one of the smallest V6's out there. Besides, people have been swapping J series into EK Civic for a while....
No sane person would truly buy one after test driving that.... would they? Those numbers are eerily close to the Mazda2's but I don't see it being nearly as fun to drive. I hope this thing gets north of 50 mpg in the real world.
#935
It probably gets way better than that in the real world if the Insight and CR-Z anecdotal evidence are to be considered. But still not worth ~35K IMO.
#936
I'm the Firestarter
Does it also have a smaller trunk and no folding rear seat? I'm still waiting for a hybrid sedan that retains all the trunk space of the non-hybrid car.
#937
6G TLX-S
Yup, $34k for a 110hp car that does 0-60mph in 10s. What a joke.
Should have brought back the previous hybrid accord powertrain....
Give it a few tweaks, along with the lighter curb weight of the ILX and that would be a fast, fuel efficient car that is worthy of the price tag.
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Should have brought back the previous hybrid accord powertrain....
Give it a few tweaks, along with the lighter curb weight of the ILX and that would be a fast, fuel efficient car that is worthy of the price tag.
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Honda won't make the same mistake twice.
The future Honda hybrid powertrain will either be a large-displacement V6 hybrid with 3 electric motors for all-out performance, or a small-displacement I4 hybrid for extended fuel economy.
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Honda got burnt once by this 3L-V6 hybrid powertrain on the poor-selling 7G Accord. This large-displacement V6 hybrid was neither a performance-oriented hybrid nor a fuel-efficiency-oriented hybrid.
Honda won't make the same mistake twice.
The future Honda hybrid powertrain will either be a large-displacement V6 hybrid with 3 electric motors for all-out performance, or a small-displacement I4 hybrid for extended fuel economy.
Honda won't make the same mistake twice.
The future Honda hybrid powertrain will either be a large-displacement V6 hybrid with 3 electric motors for all-out performance, or a small-displacement I4 hybrid for extended fuel economy.
With that said, I'd think that sort of powertrain is more suitable for Acura and will help build the sporty image with the right package. Performance will be guaranteed. 30mpg combined is quite decent too. Make the package sportier and I'd definitely consider one. I am actually thinking about getting a used 7G Accord hybrid but I can't get past its boring styling and the lack of sportiness.
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With that said, I'd think that sort of powertrain is more suitable for Acura and will help build the sporty image with the right package. Performance will be guaranteed. 30mpg combined is quite decent too. Make the package sportier and I'd definitely consider one. I am actually thinking about getting a used 7G Accord hybrid but I can't get past its boring styling and the lack of sportiness.
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SF is coming up, but no thanks. Nice find though!
#944
Recall already?
Statement by American Honda Regarding Front Door Latch Recall: 2012 Honda CR-V and 2013 Acura ILX
07/18/2012 - TORRANCE, Calif.
American Honda will voluntarily recall approximately 166,000 model-year 2012 CR-V vehicles and approximately 6,200 model-year 2013 Acura ILX vehicles in the United States to replace both front door latches and, in some CR-V vehicles, the interior front door handles. Simultaneous operation of the driver's or passenger's inner door handle and either the manual or power door lock may result in the inner door handle release cable becoming partially disengaged. When this occurs the door may not latch when closed and/or the door may latch and close, but then open when the door locks are operated; either case may result in the affected door opening unexpectedly. No accidents or injuries have been reported related to this issue.
Honda is announcing this recall to encourage owners of all affected vehicles to take their vehicles to an authorized dealer as soon as they receive notification of this recall from Honda. Mailed notification to customers will begin in mid-August 2012. In mid-August, owners of these vehicles also will be able to determine if their vehicles require repair by going on-line to www.recalls.honda.com and www.recalls.acura.com or by calling (800) 999-1009 for Honda owners or (800) 382-2238 for Acura owners, and selecting option 4.
07/18/2012 - TORRANCE, Calif.
American Honda will voluntarily recall approximately 166,000 model-year 2012 CR-V vehicles and approximately 6,200 model-year 2013 Acura ILX vehicles in the United States to replace both front door latches and, in some CR-V vehicles, the interior front door handles. Simultaneous operation of the driver's or passenger's inner door handle and either the manual or power door lock may result in the inner door handle release cable becoming partially disengaged. When this occurs the door may not latch when closed and/or the door may latch and close, but then open when the door locks are operated; either case may result in the affected door opening unexpectedly. No accidents or injuries have been reported related to this issue.
Honda is announcing this recall to encourage owners of all affected vehicles to take their vehicles to an authorized dealer as soon as they receive notification of this recall from Honda. Mailed notification to customers will begin in mid-August 2012. In mid-August, owners of these vehicles also will be able to determine if their vehicles require repair by going on-line to www.recalls.honda.com and www.recalls.acura.com or by calling (800) 999-1009 for Honda owners or (800) 382-2238 for Acura owners, and selecting option 4.
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#946
For reference Motor Trend drove the 2012 Toyota Prius V to a 0-60 time of 10.2 seconds and a 1/4 time of 17.6s @ 78.2mph.
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#948
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American Honda will voluntarily recall approximately 166,000 model-year 2012 CR-V vehicles and approximately 6,200 model-year 2013 Acura ILX vehicles in the United States to replace both front door latches
I was led to believe that Acura had superior door latches?
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^ just the side view mirrors and ground clearance.
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I went to a similar road test even a month ago to test drive the ILX and RDX. Didn't get a chance to sample a ILX 2.4. But I did had the chance to the drive the ILX 2.0 AT a few laps around the test track. For the laps which I drove hard, yes, it's slow like a TSX 2.4 5AT. Handling was decent. No real surprises. For the laps which I drove in a more relaxed manner, I felt that the car was quite quiet, had enough power to get going, and the car in general felt more comfortable. Certainly felt way more expensive than a Civic. It feels like a smaller TSX.
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I went to a similar road test even a month ago to test drive the ILX and RDX. Didn't get a chance to sample a ILX 2.4. But I did had the chance to the drive the ILX 2.0 AT a few laps around the test track. For the laps which I drove hard, yes, it's slow like a TSX 2.4 5AT. Handling was decent. No real surprises. For the laps which I drove in a more relaxed manner, I felt that the car was quite quiet, had enough power to get going, and the car in general felt more comfortable. Certainly felt way more expensive than a Civic. It feels like a smaller TSX.
It's not a horrible car, being inoffensively styled and generally efficient. But, it wont do much for the Acura lineup.
#954
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i sat in my friends ILX from the impression i had with just sitting in it when it was parked in the garage was nice. I really did like the interior. It seemed pretty upscale for anything else you get in that price that I can think of.
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Yea, it feels quite decent inside and the ride is smooth - something I'd expect from a mid-size sedan.
Put the proper powertrains in and axe or move the TSX higher up and the ILX should do well IMO.
Put the proper powertrains in and axe or move the TSX higher up and the ILX should do well IMO.
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At the Acura Stealership getting my 07 TL serviced... I think I'd rather pay the 3500 difference and go up to this TSX than the ILX...
Finally saw this ILX thing in person and I must say
Finally saw this ILX thing in person and I must say
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ILX Endurance Racer Concept: http://www.netcarshow.com/acura/2013...durance_racer/
ILX Street Build Concept: http://www.netcarshow.com/acura/2012...build_concept/
ILX Street Build Concept: http://www.netcarshow.com/acura/2012...build_concept/
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The sizzle in the Steak
Looks even more Civic in SEMA garb.