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I think Acura (in Canada at least) is forgoing the all seasons as standard. on the canadian site this is the description of what you get standard. all new photos only show the nsx style wheels/summer tires. there is no doubt the summer wheels look better so maybe they just said forget the all seasons.
Strange how they still haven't published the Type S' curb weight. Seems like they're holding back on some key details.
Car & Driver road tested the 2021 4 cylinder at a curb weight: 4026 lb. Hard to imagine 50% more cylinders, bigger wheels & tires in a fully equipped car weighting less. Comment in Highs & Lows for the 4 cylinder was "heaviness hinders performance".
Car & Driver road tested the 2021 4 cylinder at a curb weight: 4026 lb. Hard to imagine 50% more cylinders, bigger wheels & tires in a fully equipped car weighting less. Comment in Highs & Lows for the 4 cylinder was "heaviness hinders performance".
was this also the shawd or standard fwd? My guess the car is going to weigh close to 4200 pounds.
300 produced monthly, for 250 dealerships around the country.... once again... to the F'in math! and dont call me dumb. that coming from a moderator is pathetic.
Do you really think that is some cast in granite number that they cannot change? It happens all the time.
May wanna hold onto the 6MT Accord, no longer available with the Sport 2.0T
I own one of the last ones off the production line. Built end of October 2019, production stopped end of November. Current thinking is that there are less than 1000 2.0 6MT Accords extant. Completely accidentally stumbled into another rare car, I seem to have that habit.
355-HP 2021 Acura TLX Type S Will Be on Sale in May
The Type S badge returns on the hottest TLX, which is powered by a turbocharged 3.0-liter V-6, and it'll cost just over $50,000.
BY CONNOR HOFFMAN
MAR 17, 2021
I own one of the last ones off the production line. Built end of October 2019, production stopped end of November. Current thinking is that there are less than 1000 2.0 6MT Accords extant. Completely accidentally stumbled into another rare car, I seem to have that habit.
I would keep it knowing that at some point in the future, this is going to be a cult classic among enthusiasts. It might not be the most sexiest or desirable car today, but I bet in 20 years people will be pining for these much like some enthusiasts are pining over the manual XV10 Camry Coupe unicorns.
Do you really think that is some cast in granite number that they cannot change? It happens all the time.
I never said it was built in stone.. all I did was pass on information. I cant predict the future but I can pass on info I get. they said limited, its going to be limited. for how long? who knows?
Just because the company usually makes good tires doesn't mean all the tires they make are good. They're not horrid, but there's a reason why the P Zeros have a relatively poor customer rating on tirerack: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...reModel=P+Zero. I wasn't a fan of them when I tried out a set; tread-life was relatively poor, and tire noise and grip was middle of the road for the category. Would definitely rather than any of the Michelin Pilot Sports, Conti ESC, even the Bridgestone S04 and Goodyear F1 Eagles
Never bought p zeros myself because they seem to be more $$ than other choices.
But they are oem tires for a lot of German brands so at least they work be worse tires than the competition.
was this also the shawd or standard fwd? My guess the car is going to weigh close to 4200 pounds.
C&D listed the test car as "2021 Acura TLX SH-AWD"
The "S" car might weigh almost as much as a V6 DOHC 300BHP Dodge Charger @ 4281lbs, Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec - Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.8 sec - Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph but will have an extra 55BHP & 2 more transmission gears to knock the numbers down.
Still holding my guess to 0-60 - 4.4 seconds (roll out) 4.7 Street start - 1/4 mile 13.5 @ 104mph. Actual weight will be the tricky part unless they put in more power. With the added content can't see it being lighter than the I4 DOHC-Turbo @4026lbs.
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C&D listed the test car as "2021 Acura TLX SH-AWD"
The "S" car might weigh almost as much as a V6 DOHC 300BHP Dodge Charger @ 4281lbs, Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec - Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.8 sec - Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph but will have an extra 55BHP & 2 more transmission gears to knock the numbers down.
Still holding my guess to 0-60 - 4.4 seconds (roll out) 4.7 Street start - 1/4 mile 13.5 @ 104mph. Actual weight will be the tricky part unless they put in more power. With the added content can't see it being lighter than the I4 DOHC-Turbo @4026lbs.
Here's my guess of why Acura's been so coy with info. In August when some Type S numbers trickled in, they didn't commit to the added features and had a chance to be somewhat competitive in 0-60. Now that the 2.0 TLX has been out, the 0-60 has been panned and the "sports sedan" moniker has been ridiculed ad nauseum, Acura has cut their losses by putting the features back that would check way more boxes against the competition in the expected price range. On any given day, there will still be way more buyers desiring creature comforts as opposed to taking the car to the track on weekends or tuning it with 3rd party help. I don't know how significant a weight gain the added features contribute but that might be a reason why the HP/torque numbers still aren't final.
Acura was testing the waters last year to see what they could get away with and they heard the angry mob!
I never said it was built in stone.. all I did was pass on information. I cant predict the future but I can pass on info I get. they said limited, its going to be limited. for how long? who knows?
C&D listed the test car as "2021 Acura TLX SH-AWD"
The "S" car might weigh almost as much as a V6 DOHC 300BHP Dodge Charger @ 4281lbs, Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec - Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.8 sec - Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph but will have an extra 55BHP & 2 more transmission gears to knock the numbers down.
Still holding my guess to 0-60 - 4.4 seconds (roll out) 4.7 Street start - 1/4 mile 13.5 @ 104mph. Actual weight will be the tricky part unless they put in more power. With the added content can't see it being lighter than the I4 DOHC-Turbo @4026lbs.
Type S would be similar in weight to 540xi or E450 (and similar power numbers too). So i hope Type S performance numbers are in range of these two vehicles.
Do you really think that is some cast in granite number that they cannot change? It happens all the time.
Actually from product planning point of view the numbers make sense. Mid-level performance trim for BMW typically accounts for 10-20% of the total sales at best, so that givea you 200-400 units if total volume is around 2k/month.
However, I do feel TLX-S has the potential to steal sales from S4/5, and could be 30% of total TLX volume assuming supply is not an issue.
Here's my guess of why Acura's been so coy with info. In August when some Type S numbers trickled in, they didn't commit to the added features and had a chance to be somewhat competitive in 0-60. Now that the 2.0 TLX has been out, the 0-60 has been panned and the "sports sedan" moniker has been ridiculed ad nauseum, Acura has cut their losses by putting the features back that would check way more boxes against the competition in the expected price range. On any given day, there will still be way more buyers desiring creature comforts as opposed to taking the car to the track on weekends or tuning it with 3rd party help. I don't know how significant a weight gain the added features contribute but that might be a reason why the HP/torque numbers still aren't final.
Acura was testing the waters last year to see what they could get away with and they heard the angry mob!
Agreed. If someone just wants to go fast they can buy a 2.0T Accord. It actually outperforms the TLX 2.0T. I'd also guess most Acura customers are going for the luxury.
Actually from product planning point of view the numbers make sense. Mid-level performance trim for BMW typically accounts for 10-20% of the total sales at best, so that givea you 200-400 units if total volume is around 2k/month.
However, I do feel TLX-S has the potential to steal sales from S4/5, and could be 30% of total TLX volume assuming supply is not an issue.
Unless Acura really F****D up but TYPE S will steal business from S4 for sure. This is guaranteed! but if the TYPE S does 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, then forget it. It has to be competitive.
Here's my guess of why Acura's been so coy with info. In August when some Type S numbers trickled in, they didn't commit to the added features and had a chance to be somewhat competitive in 0-60. Now that the 2.0 TLX has been out, the 0-60 has been panned and the "sports sedan" moniker has been ridiculed ad nauseum, Acura has cut their losses by putting the features back that would check way more boxes against the competition in the expected price range. On any given day, there will still be way more buyers desiring creature comforts as opposed to taking the car to the track on weekends or tuning it with 3rd party help. I don't know how significant a weight gain the added features contribute but that might be a reason why the HP/torque numbers still aren't final.
Acura was testing the waters last year to see what they could get away with and they heard the angry mob!
I dunno, the "mob" was all of like a dozen people here? LoL. Acura doesn't exactly have the largest following, especially amongst performance enthusiasts. The comments on social media have been overwhelmingly positive from Honda/Acura nutswingers despite having next to no information on the vehicle.
It's nice to see that it's turning out to be better than expected with more features and a lower price than many expected.
I'm surprised how many people desire/demand this, but then I mosey on thru a large parking lot and see the abysmal display of people trying to park, reverse and maneuver their vehicles and it's no wonder. It's frightening how completely coordinately inept people are allowed to operate two ton machines ... and even more frightening how bountiful they are. As a public service, Acura should definitely add this feature, as oftentimes, Acura operators are one of the worst offenders.
Type S would be similar in weight to 540xi or E450 (and similar power numbers too). So i hope Type S performance numbers are in range of these two vehicles.
Does not work with published German power ratings with are notoriously under reported. Example the B58 rated at 382BHP has been dynoed at 400+. Different dyno will show different numbers but the highest I have seen in a published (Supra/Z4 M40i 382BHP advertised) road test was 399WHP on a DynoJet. Even Car & Driver is a recent road test with this engine said, "I’d be surprised if this car wasn’tmaking closer to 400 horsepower at the crank - 2021 M440i 0-60 mph: 3.8 sec, ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 115 mph"
Proof of the pudding is terminal speeds in the 115/117 range. You can gear for 0-60 acceleration like the new Corvette did but Power to Weight still has a lot to say about what the terminal 1/4 mile speed will be.
Car & Driver Road Test Dodge Scat Pack485 hp advertised - Zero to 60 mph: 3.9 sec,¼-mile:12.3 sec @ 115 mph
$55k is a lot of money so choose wisely. And remember, there is also the Audi S5-4dr-Sportback (or S5-Coupe).
And then there is the problem of Acura not road-mapping any sedans to be plugin-hybrid (PHEV).
Premium Plus trim S5 Sportback will run you around $65,000 new and the Prestige model will run you around $70,000. While $100/month or so on a S5 Sportback Premium Plus may not break the bank, once you start to realize the maintenance costs, that's when things get interesting. Audi S5 brakes for example last between 15-25K miles and the rotors are so thin, they cannot be resurfaced. So every time you need new brakes, you're paying $1200-1500/axle. And if you elect to go with the black optic package with the 20" wheels, those tires are $400/each and summer tires that only last 25K miles or so. That's not factoring the much higher regular service costs either. My next car will either be a S5 Sportback or the TLX Type S but maintenance and reliability have me leaning towards the Type S.
$55k is a lot of money so choose wisely. And remember, there is also the Audi S5-4dr-Sportback (or S5-Coupe).
And then there is the problem of Acura not road-mapping any sedans to be plugin-hybrid (PHEV).
Premium Plus trim S5 Sportback will run you around $65,000 new and the Prestige model will run you around $70,000. While $100/month or so on a S5 Sportback Premium Plus may not break the bank, once you start to realize the maintenance costs, that's when things get interesting. Audi S5 brakes for example last between 15-25K miles and the rotors are so thin, they cannot be resurfaced. So every time you need new brakes, you're paying $1200-1500/axle. And if you elect to go with the black optic package with the 20" wheels, those tires are $400/each and summer tires that only last 25K miles or so. That's not factoring the much higher regular service costs either. My next car will either be a S5 Sportback or the TLX Type S but maintenance and reliability have me leaning towards the Type S.
My next car will either be a S5 Sportback or the TLX Type S but maintenance and reliability have me leaning towards the Type S.
Nothing is known about this new engine, so saying the Type-S is a safer bet is not a deciding factor at this point. Just look at Honda's new 1.5T when it came it, oil issues. As far as I know, the S5's V6T is on the normal side of things (looking to buy one myself as well, by October). Also, the 10sp transmission was beefed up, who knows if it'll last in the long term. Honda's transmissions are not the most reliable based on history.
If cost of brakes is an issue, can always be done outside of dealerships. Not related to warranty. Same for Acura, those Brembos will cost a little extra too.
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Lest we forget, upon comprehensive inspection via complete disassembly, Toyota was satisfied enough to put their name and reputation on BMW's B58.
I have no doubt the 3.0T from Acura will be a good and reliable engine, but that's not to say nothing out of Germany is reliable either. Of course, when it comes time to service them, the Acura will likely be leaps and bounds easier, while trying to do a water pump on the Bimmer will likely cause you to contemplate buying a plane ticket to Munich to kick the engineer who designed it in his strudel.
Honestly, I'd be more concerned with the transmission and other drivetrain bits from the Type-S.
Premium Plus trim S5 Sportback will run you around $65,000 new and the Prestige model will run you around $70,000. While $100/month or so on a S5 Sportback Premium Plus may not break the bank, once you start to realize the maintenance costs, that's when things get interesting. Audi S5 brakes for example last between 15-25K miles and the rotors are so thin, they cannot be resurfaced. So every time you need new brakes, you're paying $1200-1500/axle. And if you elect to go with the black optic package with the 20" wheels, those tires are $400/each and summer tires that only last 25K miles or so. That's not factoring the much higher regular service costs either. My next car will either be a S5 Sportback or the TLX Type S but maintenance and reliability have me leaning towards the Type S.
I have a 2019 S4 Premium+ (msrp was $63500 has all available options on prem+ except cold/warm weather pkgs). I got it in February 2019 and have put about 17k miles on it since then. I replaced the original Conti SportContact 6 tires with ExtremeContact DW06 tires at 16k miles after I hit a pot hole and blew one. Other than that, no maintenance out of pocket since I got Audi Care. I got coverage to replace the brakes too, but they are still good. Audi only recommends service every 10k miles but I like to go every 7500 miles. The car has been rock solid and even after two years I still love it - however I really don’t like the changes and cost cutting evident in the B9.5 refresh and won’t consider it when it’s time to replace it. I might look at a Type S....who knows!
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old news, neighbor up the street went from a 3G Audi A8 -> 3G Acura RLX SH-AWD. Later added a 3G MDX later too.
Also a friend of my wife's did a 2G MDX -> Q5 -> 3G RDX
Knew alot of Audi owners who went from Audi to anything but Audi in the 2000's and early 2010's.
And some folks who went from Honda/Acura -> Audi.
Works both ways, nothing surprising.
I'm surprised how many people desire/demand this, but then I mosey on thru a large parking lot and see the abysmal display of people trying to park, reverse and maneuver their vehicles and it's no wonder. It's frightening how completely coordinately inept people are allowed to operate two ton machines ... and even more frightening how bountiful they are. As a public service, Acura should definitely add this feature, as oftentimes, Acura operators are one of the worst offenders.
I'm with you but in some people's defense the proportions of cars are creating a lot of blind spots and in my neck of the woods parking is tight (even newer parking) so it's nice to have some assistance.
Lest we forget, upon comprehensive inspection via complete disassembly, Toyota was satisfied enough to put their name and reputation on BMW's B58.
I have no doubt the 3.0T from Acura will be a good and reliable engine, but that's not to say nothing out of Germany is reliable either. Of course, when it comes time to service them, the Acura will likely be leaps and bounds easier, while trying to do a water pump on the Bimmer will likely cause you to contemplate buying a plane ticket to Munich to kick the engineer who designed it in his strudel.
Honestly, I'd be more concerned with the transmission and other drivetrain bits from the Type-S.
Fun fact, the B48 and B58 have a mechanical water pump which is easy to replace. We don't have the full details of the new 3.0T Acura engine, but I'd assume the water pump will be a harder to replace due to the configuration and how the engine sits in the bay.
I'm surprised how many people desire/demand this, but then I mosey on thru a large parking lot and see the abysmal display of people trying to park, reverse and maneuver their vehicles and it's no wonder. It's frightening how completely coordinately inept people are allowed to operate two ton machines ... and even more frightening how bountiful they are. As a public service, Acura should definitely add this feature, as oftentimes, Acura operators are one of the worst offenders.
My daily's are a E39 M5 and 94 Legend Coupe manual. I have no idea why anyone HAS to have half the stuff that cars come with these days.
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old news, neighbor up the street went from a 3G Audi A8 -> 3G Acura RLX SH-AWD. Later added a 3G MDX later too.
Also a friend of my wife's did a 2G MDX -> Q5 -> 3G RDX
Knew alot of Audi owners who went from Audi to anything but Audi in the 2000's and early 2010's.
And some folks who went from Honda/Acura -> Audi.
Works both ways, nothing surprising.
Being the info is about things that happened 10 to 20 years ago, don't think it applies much if at all today. Look at the TL 3G/4G/TLX 1G Acurazine members who have gone German & never come back suggests its pretty much a one way street today.
Being the info is about things that happened 10 to 20 years ago, don't think it applies much if at all today. Look at the TL 3G/4G/TLX 1G Acurazine members who have gone German & never come back suggests its pretty much a one way street today.
Not really, my wife's friend just pickup up her 2021 RDX few month ago and our neighbor pickup his RLX Sport Hybrid ~5 years ago.
Fun fact, the B48 and B58 have a mechanical water pump which is easy to replace. We don't have the full details of the new 3.0T Acura engine, but I'd assume the water pump will be a harder to replace due to the configuration and how the engine sits in the bay.
Good to know. I would hope they'd make it easy to replace, seeing as it continues the BMW tradition of water pumps that fail/leak prematurely. I was just picking a random serviceable part ... not being specific to any knowledge of a part that's unnecessarily difficult to R/R.
And don't they run two water pumps, one electrical and one mechanical? It would be a very German thing to do ...
I'm with you but in some people's defense the proportions of cars are creating a lot of blind spots and in my neck of the woods parking is tight (even newer parking) so it's nice to have some assistance.
I think it was SavageGeese who proposed that it's because of cameras that automobile designers basically threw visibility to the wind in the name of design. Tiny rear windows, high window and hood lines ... if it's true, it makes a whole lotta sense. It took me a while to gauge the edges of the 3G RDX coming from a 2G CRV.
Not really, my wife's friend just pickup up her 2021 RDX few month ago and our neighbor pickup his RLX Sport Hybrid ~5 years ago.
Audi sold 1,692,773 total units world wide in 2020. Our portion Audi USA 186,625 units - Audi Canada 25,892 units. Acura sold 164,904 total units world wide in 2020. Our portion Acura USA 136,982 units - Acura Canada 16,712 units - (global) China sales were about 11,210. Not sure where else they are sold so kick in another 10,000 units incase I missed some location.
If the numbers are close to being accurate Audi has more USA sales alone than Acura has total sales.
So with all due respect to your wife's new car & your neighbors 5 year old car I do not believe Audi execs are having sleepless nights worrying about Acura eating their lunch. BMW & MB absolutely are eating their Jager Schnitzel, but not Acura. My Acura antidotal story is the last Acura in the neighborhood is a 8 or 9 year old 4G, same driveway has also newer BMW 5 & Porsche 718 Cayman.
Good to know. I would hope they'd make it easy to replace, seeing as it continues the BMW tradition of water pumps that fail/leak prematurely. I was just picking a random serviceable part ... not being specific to any knowledge of a part that's unnecessarily difficult to R/R.
And don't they run two water pumps, one electrical and one mechanical? It would be a very German thing to do ...
The stupid electric water pump went out in most series starting in about 2012. There was some carry over with certain models. There is an electric coolant pump in the system but its a light duty one on a separate cooling channel that pumps coolant to the intercooler Liquid to Air heat exchanger.
This system is superior to the N54/55 Air to Air intercooler
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Audi sold 1,692,773 total units world wide in 2020. Our portion Audi USA 186,625 units - Audi Canada 25,892 units. Acura sold 164,904 total units world wide in 2020. Our portion Acura USA 136,982 units - Acura Canada 16,712 units - (global) China sales were about 11,210. Not sure where else they are sold so kick in another 10,000 units incase I missed some location.
If the numbers are close to being accurate Audi has more USA sales alone than Acura has total sales.
So with all due respect to your wife's new car & your neighbors 5 year old car I do not believe Audi execs are having sleepless nights worrying about Acura eating their lunch. BMW & MB absolutely are eating their Jager Schnitzel, but not Acura. My Acura antidotal story is the last Acura in the neighborhood is a 8 or 9 year old 4G, same driveway has also newer BMW 5 & Porsche 718 Cayman.
We have understand one thing that the German brands are very well established and as you have provided some numbers we cannot deny that fact. Acura is a very niche brand. It’s just made for American buyers. If we compare Audi to Acura internationally, there is no comparison.
Even Lexus is not as great as Audi, BmW and MB when compared to the rest of the world.
03-17-2021, 05:57 PM
I was just picking a random serviceable part ... not being specific to any knowledge of a part that's unnecessarily difficult to R/R.