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I agree with you. I didn't want a V8 due to prior issues they had. I know the B48 and B58 engines are very reliable and solid. What's funny, on the BMW forums, they are soo obsessed with not having the latest and greatest technology. They are always posting "Is there a way to get the latest I-Drive"
One thing no one is talking about is that the new TLX was announced to the world over a year ago in June 2020. I'm talking about the final product, not prototype from 2018 and 2019. Type S is just now rolling out, after the car is more than a year old. It's almost obsolete by default. Not twin turbo, not 4s 60mph, not dual clutch, not available in manual, lower engine option comes with more luxury features, etc. It missed it's mark. Plain and simple. Mark-ups are just adding salt to open injury.
No twin turbo is considered obsolete????? You have No clue what you are talking about. Go educate yourself first.
With all due respect I don't FEEL it needs a HUD. Common competitive market research says it needs a HUD. What Acura is selling with the Type-S is a sporting image. Most cars over a basic Civic, Corolla or Sentra are sold on image. Beside being an excellent add to any car a HUD projects, no pun intended. that performance fighter pilot image. The entire segment that Acura wants to crack BMW, Audi, MB offer HUD's. Cars like Stingray have HUDS.
You leave it out & you leave out a very very useful & image enchasing piece of hardware. Nobody wants to look down inside the car to see shift points at speed. For the average guys not interested in 0-60 having the entire interchange on the interstate displayed, including the lane you should be in, before you get to it is a very good thing. You can get one in an Accord, Lamborghini & most everything in between except the TLX-TypeS.
I remember the same deal when turn signals came out. Who needs them I can just stick my arm out the window? I had to stick my arm out to pass my drivers test in 1959. Now they are universal.
They could've left it out and gotten away with it if it was at least a performance bargain (S4/G70 3.3T numbers or better) but since it's barely faster than the old V6 Accords or current 2.0T Accords.. man that's poor, removing features from the Advance trim is just insult to injury especially when the Advance trim was a bit behind the competition anyways as it didn't have wireless smartphone integration, they haven't outgrown the mistake of using a touchpad yet, etc.
You can be my teacher. If you're into that sort of thing.
At the risk of being called out as the teacher here goes. Cars like M340 etc have a single physical unit with multi internal paths. Cheaper to make, lighter, gets the job done sort of. Cars like the M4 have two separate physical turbos. A bit heavier over all but more efficient in higher performance applications.
M340
M4
NOTE: These are performance builds but the pure stock engines have the same layout. Did not feel like a search.
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At the risk of being called out as the teacher here goes. Cars like M340 etc have a single physical unit with multi internal paths. Cheaper to make, lighter, gets the job done sort of. Cars like the M4 have two separate physical turbos. A bit heavier over all but more efficient in higher performance applications.
M340
M4
NOTE: These are performance builds but the pure stock engines have the same layout. Did not feel like a search.
No problem. BMW is the bad guy here My 335is was the last of the non pure M type with two separate turbos. Its N54 was a carry over performance application from the prior engine generation. The normal 335's with the then new N55 engine has a single multi path turbo.
The BMW marketing geniuses labeled it on the engine cover BMW-Twin Power Turbo from the original BMW-Twin Turbo Power. Most people at the time never knew for quite a while the two turbos were history.
N55 with the sneaky misleading label in my 440MPPS
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No problem. BMW is the bad guy here My 335is was the last of the non pure M type with two separate turbos. Its N54 was a carry over performance application from the prior engine generation. The normal 335's with the then new N55 engine has a single multi path turbo.
The BMW marketing geniuses labeled it on the engine cover BMW-Twin Power Turbo from the original BMW-Twin Turbo Power. Most people at the time never knew for quite a while the two turbos were history.
N55 with the sneaky misleading label in my 440MPPS
I thought they got rid of the twin turbos on the M3/4 because of issues with leaks and failures.
I thought they got rid of the twin turbos on the M3/4 because of issues with leaks and failures.
Am not aware of many leaks & failure but thing is they did NOT get rid of the twin Turbos for the reasons I stated & that the link posted by F23A4 further expanded upon. Bottom line you want power you go with two individual turbos
Current 2022 BMW brochure for M4 503BHP Competition Coupe & Convertible sayes
Engine, transmission, and aerodynamic features.
3.0-liter BMW M TwinPower Turbo 503-hp inline 6-cylinder engine. Combines two mono-scroll turbochargers with variable valve control (Double-VANOS and Valvetronic) and high-precision direct injection.
Only thing wrong in the linked article is there were 3 not two cars that kept the twin turbo N54. Third was the 2011/2014 335is. Mine was a 2011 with some light mods & a JB4 tune. Twin separate turbo intakes clearly show in the picture.
Yes, the original N63 was pretty much an expensive horror story for BMW. But the 2012 Technical Update was practically a new engine so many major components were changed. There have been two subsequent TUs, the most recent in 2018, that have been improvements. I'm a little concerned about getting a 540 since it's now a semi-hybrid. That and the appeal of a luxurious mid-size sedan with all the latest technology, a comfortable ride (unlike the M5) and stupefying acceleration make the M550 very appealing.
Sofyan from Redline Reviews re-reviewed the Type S. He got 5.11 0-60 on flat road. He got 4.7 0-60 on a DOWNHILL (his own words). He did brake torque the car pretty hard, which is probably something people wouldn't/shouldn't do every time they accelerate. Take that for what you want. I couldn't disagree more with the video tagline: Acura's best sport sedan ever! - That's just straight out of bean counter Monday morning meeting at Acura's PR office.
Sofyan from Redline Reviews re-reviewed the Type S. He got 5.11 0-60 on flat road. He got 4.7 0-60 on a DOWNHILL (his own words). He did brake torque the car pretty hard, which is probably something people wouldn't/shouldn't do every time they accelerate. Take that for what you want. I couldn't disagree more with the video tagline: Acura's best sport sedan ever! - That's just straight out of bean counter Monday morning meeting at Acura's PR office.
Ah you're wrong, @4:24 he got 4.58s then reversed direction @4:55 on the SAME road (his words) for a SLIGHT UPHILL (his words) and got 5.11
Dude, he literally utters the words DOWNHILL @ 5.08 minute mark. And besides, what is the opposite of uphill? Flat? Do you hear yourself. How can the same road be flat in one direction and uphill in other other direction. I think you slept through 6th grade physics class.
Dude, he literally utters the words DOWNHILL @ 5.08 minute mark. And besides, what is the opposite of uphill? Flat? Do you hear yourself. How can the same road be flat in one direction and uphill in other other direction. I think you slept through 6th grade physics class.
He says 4.58s is slight downhill, and 5.11s is slight uphill. Not sure how there's any room for interpretation since it's literally what he said. The 4.7s claim is an average of the two runs, one uphill and one downill (although the average is really more like 4.85s...)
At 4:35 he says "Just to be sure, we're going to go in the opposite direction to get another 0-60 time".
At 4:53 he says "So on this run, although we are going slightly uphill, I got 5.11s, so if you kind of average out the two you're around the 4.7s mark that I got on my first video.
At 5:08 he says "The 4.58s is very nice going on a slight downhill".
Why are you asking me, I'm not the one that said same road is uphill one way and flat the other way.
What are you going on about? Unless I misunderstood what you said, you did indeed suggest the same road is uphill one way and flat the other way.
Originally Posted by SRB-TL
Sofyan from Redline Reviews re-reviewed the Type S. He got 5.11 0-60 on flat road. He got 4.7 0-60 on a DOWNHILL (his own words).
First of all, he didn't say 4.7s on a downhill. His quote is: "So on this run, although we are going slightly uphill, I got 5.11s, so if you kind of average out the two you're around the 4.7s mark that I got on my first video". So your claim that he says 5.11s was on a flat road is patently false.
Second of all, even if he did say it's downhill, are you suggesting that those two runs were not on the same road? I seriously do not understand how you're trying to argue that you're statement is correct.
It's clear as day what the results are: 4.58s going downhill (first run), 5.11s going uphill (second run), claimed 4.7s averaged between the two (really should be more like 4.8-4.9 if we're averaging).
If you disagree with this I would love to hear how you're interpreting the two runs at 4:10 and 4:40.
Dude, he literally utters the words DOWNHILL @ 5.08 minute mark. And besides, what is the opposite of uphill? Flat? Do you hear yourself. How can the same road be flat in one direction and uphill in other other direction. I think you slept through 6th grade physics class.
Um, where did I use "flat"? I think you slept through all of reading and comprehension
Ah you're wrong, @4:24 he got 4.58s then reversed direction @4:55 on the SAME road (his words) for a SLIGHT UPHILL (his words) and got 5.11
I presumed (my bad) anyone with some common sense knew the context of the opposite direction would be downhill but obviously I was wrong.
What are you going on about? Unless I misunderstood what you said, you did indeed suggest the same road is uphill one way and flat the other way.
First of all, he didn't say 4.7s on a downhill. His quote is: "So on this run, although we are going slightly uphill, I got 5.11s, so if you kind of average out the two you're around the 4.7s mark that I got on my first video". So your claim that he says 5.11s was on a flat road is patently false.
Second of all, even if he did say it's downhill, are you suggesting that those two runs were not on the same road? I seriously do not understand how you're trying to argue that you're statement is correct.
It's clear as day what the results are: 4.58s going downhill (first run), 5.11s going uphill (second run), claimed 4.7s averaged between the two (really should be more like 4.8-4.9 if we're averaging).
If you disagree with this I would love to hear how you're interpreting the two runs at 4:10 and 4:40.
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Um, where did I use "flat"? I think you slept through all of reading and comprehension
I presumed (my bad) anyone with some common sense knew the context of the opposite direction would be downhill but obviously I was wrong.
I cannot believe how bored we all are when this is our biggest problem today and we're talking about this so much.
About the 4.7 average. The video I watched he got 4.73 down from a prior run of 4.95. His worst in the vid was his first run @ 5.19. & the best was his third. Three separate runs on flat ground. 0-60 First Attempt 12:58 -5.16 0-60 Second Attempt 19:24 - 4.95 0-60 Third Attempt 20:04 - 4.73
Just thought I would drop this in since pricing is part of the thread topic.
So far am $1500 under MSRP for an 2022 M4CS convertible. Have another $1,500 after delivery through the BMWCCA program. Pure cash off is not much but for a brand new 503hp model theirs no ADM or buff & spray or nitrogen etc. markups.
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I do own a 1G TLX, and no the regular 2G is merely a much needed evolution of it. The Type S was supposed to put Acura back into the performance conversation, but instead the only time it’s talked about now is when people make fun of it for being the slowest in its segment.
while I have moved on, not everyone buys a sports sedan to have “the fastest” in the segment. How many people are dragging with their car. Most of the buyers want a sporty car that is gas and fun. Many want what a brand or model offers and are not racing anyone. I am glad
I moved on as I would have been torn about the Type-S. The interior got too small for me and that infotainment just is not doing it for me. Add to that the de-contenting of features the car should have would have pushed me away either way. At this point I am well on my way info the EV world and maybe Acura will make a bold move into the EV space.
That said if I were still in the market for a sporty sedan and the Type-S had a better infotainment and were larger inside it would be on my list. Acura builds a great car and it will NEVER be the fastest in the class.
People should know Acura. They're not the type to go "crazy" on numbers." They want subtle daily drivability. People complain about the 0-60. Are you racing your car daily? Then it doesn't need a sub 5 second 0-60 like the other cars in it's segment. The PRIMARY people buying the car aren't really performance oriented minded people like a lot of yall have proven to be. They just want something sporty to drive that looks good but still has some nice features.
If Acura TRULY watched what the pages on FB and these forums said, they wouldn't even consider making a 2022 or 2023 model the way yall bad mouth the Type S. "For the money I'll buy this model instead". Blah blah blah. It's one thing to want another brand. It's another to just outright bash a company/model. That's majority of what I see. No matter how politely you put it, yall bash it. Want something with a faster 0-60 time? Look at AMGs, Ms, and RS models. It's like I had a customer come in yesterday complaining about the leather quality on the CR-V. IT'S A CR-V! Honda is an economy brand. Want better quality? Go to an entry level luxury brand like Acura/BMW/Audi. Want better? Start looking at higher end of those brands.
"Well Acura marketed it to be the best in the segment!" "They marketed it where it was going to be so great!" Where? From the videos I've watched with them, they never made it out to be this supreme model that's going to blow everyone out of the water. And a LOT of brands advertise their product to be great or the best. Would you buy from someone that said "Well...it's ok. This brand is better but ours is ok"? No.
If you don't like the Type S. Fine. Good for you. Just shut up about it. No need to keep harping on the low 0-60 or it's weight or "This car is better than the Type S". We get it. From what I've seen everyone focus on, yall want a car with a 0-60 of less than 4.5 seconds, weigh less than 3500lbs, have 400hp, and be less than $50k. Find me a car like that, brand new, in the Type S class.
People should know Acura. They're not the type to go "crazy" on numbers." They want subtle daily drivability. People complain about the 0-60. Are you racing your car daily? Then it doesn't need a sub 5 second 0-60 like the other cars in it's segment. The PRIMARY people buying the car aren't really performance oriented minded people like a lot of yall have proven to be. They just want something sporty to drive that looks good but still has some nice features.
If Acura TRULY watched what the pages on FB and these forums said, they wouldn't even consider making a 2022 or 2023 model the way yall bad mouth the Type S. "For the money I'll buy this model instead". Blah blah blah. It's one thing to want another brand. It's another to just outright bash a company/model. That's majority of what I see. No matter how politely you put it, yall bash it. Want something with a faster 0-60 time? Look at AMGs, Ms, and RS models. It's like I had a customer come in yesterday complaining about the leather quality on the CR-V. IT'S A CR-V! Honda is an economy brand. Want better quality? Go to an entry level luxury brand like Acura/BMW/Audi. Want better? Start looking at higher end of those brands.
"Well Acura marketed it to be the best in the segment!" "They marketed it where it was going to be so great!" Where? From the videos I've watched with them, they never made it out to be this supreme model that's going to blow everyone out of the water. And a LOT of brands advertise their product to be great or the best. Would you buy from someone that said "Well...it's ok. This brand is better but ours is ok"? No.
If you don't like the Type S. Fine. Good for you. Just shut up about it. No need to keep harping on the low 0-60 or it's weight or "This car is better than the Type S". We get it. From what I've seen everyone focus on, yall want a car with a 0-60 of less than 4.5 seconds, weigh less than 3500lbs, have 400hp, and be less than $50k. Find me a car like that, brand new, in the Type S class.
I’ve said this before Then why not just get an A Spec? Why even make a Type S? Acura hyped everybody up that they were making a German fighter when the concept dropped. Why wouldn’t speed matter with a “performance” car? If people buying this car just want something sporty just get an A Spec it’s fast enough for most people right?
I’ve said this before Then why not just get an A Spec? Why even make a Type S? Acura hyped everybody up that they were making a German fighter when the concept dropped. Why wouldn’t speed matter with a “performance” car? If people buying this car just want something sporty just get an A Spec it’s fast enough for most people right?
Just because the people aren't solely stuck on performance, doesn't mean they don't want a little performance. A turbo V6 will do that. They like the sporty look. The bigger wheels, big brakes, more power, quad exhaust. Just because YOU reason "Just get an A-Spec if you're not worried about performance" doesn't mean everyone else is thinking that way. The A-Spec fast enough for SOME. Not MOST. Acura hyped everyone up because it was the Type S returning. They figured people would be excited for it's return. End of the day, you're getting more for your money with the Type S. The main people looking at and buying the Type S don't care about HUD or a 4.5 0-60. If they did, Acura would have upped the power and added HUD as an accessory. I spend $57k on the Type S I'll get features I have to spend $61k+ on in order to get on it's competition. So what the M340i or S4 is faster? I'm not racing them. If performance is your MAIN aspect on if you're going to buy this car or not, time to move on and get the other cars then.
These threads are supposed to be about the release of the Type S, pricing, trims, and availability. Not "This car sucks. I'm going to the German brands." If yall want, make a thread where yall can bash it all you like. Talk about this car or that car has more power, handles better, and has a faster 0-60.
People should know Acura. They're not the type to go "crazy" on numbers." They want subtle daily drivability. People complain about the 0-60. Are you racing your car daily? Then it doesn't need a sub 5 second 0-60 like the other cars in it's segment. The PRIMARY people buying the car aren't really performance oriented minded people like a lot of yall have proven to be. They just want something sporty to drive that looks good but still has some nice features.
If Acura TRULY watched what the pages on FB and these forums said, they wouldn't even consider making a 2022 or 2023 model the way yall bad mouth the Type S. "For the money I'll buy this model instead". Blah blah blah. It's one thing to want another brand. It's another to just outright bash a company/model. That's majority of what I see. No matter how politely you put it, yall bash it. Want something with a faster 0-60 time? Look at AMGs, Ms, and RS models. It's like I had a customer come in yesterday complaining about the leather quality on the CR-V. IT'S A CR-V! Honda is an economy brand. Want better quality? Go to an entry level luxury brand like Acura/BMW/Audi. Want better? Start looking at higher end of those brands.
"Well Acura marketed it to be the best in the segment!" "They marketed it where it was going to be so great!" Where? From the videos I've watched with them, they never made it out to be this supreme model that's going to blow everyone out of the water. And a LOT of brands advertise their product to be great or the best. Would you buy from someone that said "Well...it's ok. This brand is better but ours is ok"? No.
If you don't like the Type S. Fine. Good for you. Just shut up about it. No need to keep harping on the low 0-60 or it's weight or "This car is better than the Type S". We get it. From what I've seen everyone focus on, yall want a car with a 0-60 of less than 4.5 seconds, weigh less than 3500lbs, have 400hp, and be less than $50k. Find me a car like that, brand new, in the Type S class.
Agree with the others who question what a TLX-S is supposed to be. A performance sedan with double wishbones, a K-brace, Brembo Brakes, 3.0 DOHC Turbo V6 with 355BHP SHAWD & 10 speed transmission with Sport mode.
Introduced to the public at the Laguna Seca race track with staged drag races against a S4 & a free track day for any invited guest who wanted to run a world famous track in a Type-S. Or a very nice family sedan that handles nicely, which I hear you saying.
Seems like what Acura promoted at Laguna Seca & what you are selling in your post are a bit out of sync.
BTW some of y'all have an 11 year head start on harping of what a killer car the birth on the TL then TLX-1 then TLX-2 was going to be. Here I was in great fear that I was going to get my clock cleaned by the Type-S because my rusted out BMW would not start. Payback can be a bitch on occasion.
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People should know Acura. They're not the type to go "crazy" on numbers." They want subtle daily drivability. People complain about the 0-60. Are you racing your car daily? Then it doesn't need a sub 5 second 0-60 like the other cars in it's segment. The PRIMARY people buying the car aren't really performance oriented minded people like a lot of yall have proven to be. They just want something sporty to drive that looks good but still has some nice features.
If Acura TRULY watched what the pages on FB and these forums said, they wouldn't even consider making a 2022 or 2023 model the way yall bad mouth the Type S. "For the money I'll buy this model instead". Blah blah blah. It's one thing to want another brand. It's another to just outright bash a company/model. That's majority of what I see. No matter how politely you put it, yall bash it. Want something with a faster 0-60 time? Look at AMGs, Ms, and RS models. It's like I had a customer come in yesterday complaining about the leather quality on the CR-V. IT'S A CR-V! Honda is an economy brand. Want better quality? Go to an entry level luxury brand like Acura/BMW/Audi. Want better? Start looking at higher end of those brands.
"Well Acura marketed it to be the best in the segment!" "They marketed it where it was going to be so great!" Where? From the videos I've watched with them, they never made it out to be this supreme model that's going to blow everyone out of the water. And a LOT of brands advertise their product to be great or the best. Would you buy from someone that said "Well...it's ok. This brand is better but ours is ok"? No.
If you don't like the Type S. Fine. Good for you. Just shut up about it. No need to keep harping on the low 0-60 or it's weight or "This car is better than the Type S". We get it. From what I've seen everyone focus on, yall want a car with a 0-60 of less than 4.5 seconds, weigh less than 3500lbs, have 400hp, and be less than $50k. Find me a car like that, brand new, in the Type S class.
Nobody was expecting it to be the best in the segment, they were expecting it to be roughly on par with the worse of the segment which was the S4. The G70 hit the still target from 2017, the TLX-S did not. You can be a fan of a brand like Honda/Acura and still call them out for their faults. Apologizing for them is just sad.
Nobody was expecting it to be the best in the segment, they were expecting it to be roughly on par with the worse of the segment which was the S4. The G70 hit the still target from 2017, the TLX-S did not. You can be a fan of a brand like Honda/Acura and still call them out for their faults. Apologizing for them is just sad.
I guess at least the fun-to-drive factor for the Type S is higher than the S4. When I test drove the S4, it felt like a regular sporty sedan (A4) with more power. When I test drove the Type S it legitimately felt like a sports sedan, right up there with BMWs of yore when it comes to handling and steering feel. Less body roll, stiffer suspension, better braking feel, and turn-in was much sharper.
Just because the people aren't solely stuck on performance, doesn't mean they don't want a little performance. A turbo V6 will do that. They like the sporty look. The bigger wheels, big brakes, more power, quad exhaust. Just because YOU reason "Just get an A-Spec if you're not worried about performance" doesn't mean everyone else is thinking that way. The A-Spec fast enough for SOME. Not MOST. Acura hyped everyone up because it was the Type S returning. They figured people would be excited for it's return. End of the day, you're getting more for your money with the Type S. The main people looking at and buying the Type S don't care about HUD or a 4.5 0-60. If they did, Acura would have upped the power and added HUD as an accessory. I spend $57k on the Type S I'll get features I have to spend $61k+ on in order to get on it's competition. So what the M340i or S4 is faster? I'm not racing them. If performance is your MAIN aspect on if you're going to buy this car or not, time to move on and get the other cars then.
These threads are supposed to be about the release of the Type S, pricing, trims, and availability. Not "This car sucks. I'm going to the German brands." If yall want, make a thread where yall can bash it all you like. Talk about this car or that car has more power, handles better, and has a faster 0-60.
My beef is with Acura, not with what people may want. Acura tested the car against an M340i, a C43 and an S4. They even had S4's at their Debut and had people pretend the Type S was faster. That's unacceptable If the car started at 43K it would be a steal.
That's unacceptable If the car started at 43K it would be a steal.
I agree....at the end of the day, this is the only real demerit of the Type S...simply too expensive for what it is (and some absurd lack of options like the absence of USB ports in the back).
Well optioned at sub $50K, it would be a good deal.
My beef is with Acura, not with what people may want. Acura tested the car against an M340i, a C43 and an S4. They even had S4's at their Debut and had people pretend the Type S was faster. That's unacceptable If the car started at 43K it would be a steal.
Just imagine if they gave us a base Type-S. That would be about $7000 less than the one built on the A-Spec, which would bring it right into the mid-40s. For enthusiasts who care about performanace more than amenities, that would be a pretty solid value prop. It seems like if they had just offered the Type S in the same flavors as the regular TLX, so many complaints would be addressed.
The A-Spec fast enough for SOME. Not MOST. Acura hyped everyone up because it was the Type S returning.
I was on the same page as you until you said the above. Acura better sell a ton more A-Spec than the Type S. In this respect, the A-Spec better be fast enough for MOST. Type S is for the enthusiast and should be relegated to "SOME."
Just imagine if they gave us a base Type-S. That would be about $7000 less than the one built on the A-Spec, which would bring it right into the mid-40s. For enthusiasts who care about performanace more than amenities, that would be a pretty solid value prop. It seems like if they had just offered the Type S in the same flavors as the regular TLX, so many complaints would be addressed.
If that was the case, I'd be all over this car. All I want are ventilated seats for my sweaty ass and adaptive cruise control for longer freeway drives I plan on taking in the future.
Funny how the ones who were all aboard the hype-train and saying that this thing was going to be "a beast" suddenly have done a 180 and are playing the "it's not all about performance, it's a good car to drive daily and 0-60 doesn't matter unless you're a race car driver" song ...
Just imagine if they gave us a base Type-S. That would be about $7000 less than the one built on the A-Spec, which would bring it right into the mid-40s. For enthusiasts who care about performanace more than amenities, that would be a pretty solid value prop. It seems like if they had just offered the Type S in the same flavors as the regular TLX, so many complaints would be addressed.
If that was the case, I'd be all over this car. All I want are ventilated seats for my sweaty ass and adaptive cruise control for longer freeway drives I plan on taking in the future.
Funny how the ones who were all aboard the hype-train and saying that this thing was going to be "a beast" suddenly have done a 180 and are playing the "it's not all about performance, it's a good car to drive daily and 0-60 doesn't matter unless you're a race car driver" song ...
Type S
-I can get black with red interior
-Can add remote start
-Comes with wireless phone charger
-Comes with Navigation
BMW M340i and S4
-Can't get red interior with black exterior(the combo I want)
-Have to add $3k(2 separate packages) of packages in order to get things like Active Cruise and Blind Spot Detection
-$500 for heated seats
-Audi, you have to go up to the Prestige package($58k) in order to get navigation standard or add $1500 to the $54,100 package
-No remote start available on S4
-S4 active dampening, red calipers, added via $2500 package
-Add another $950 for the better stereo system
Both M340i and S4 to build to specs of Type S features put it over the $60k mark. "Some dealers are marking them up to $70k!" We're not talking about the dealer mark ups. Some have bought them at MSRP or slight mark ups that still have them less than $60k. If you don't like the TLX Type S. That's ok. Stop coming up with excuses to insult it though.
07-14-2021, 10:29 PM
