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And wait a few months and we will see prices crater. Folks who were buying the OG 07/08 TL-S were able to get 34K + fees with MSRP of around 38K 6 months after release. When it debuted there weren't such adm fees like TLX-S but still sold near sticker. With the TLX-S being barely faster than the TLX dealers are going to be hurting with the TLX-S.
I got my 07 type S in spring of 08. It was a semi-demo as it was used by the owner of the dealership for several months. Sat on the lot for a couple months before they sold it to me for an over 6k discount discount. Did have 1500k miles on it but was not a true demo. My friend knew the owner of the Acura dealership who also owned a bmw dealership as well and confirmed it was used by him. Didn't worry about him abusing it as he had much nicer cars in his garage that were much faster. It was a long time ago but I think I got it for just over 31k and titled as first owner. Discounts will kick in. As nice as the type S was back in the day it was the lesser models that were in demand after the initial crowd bought in.
Originally Posted by Honda430
Their business plan appears to be building 10k cars annually. The price will eventually stabilize in relation to demand. Just like the competitors prices reflect the demand for their vehicles. I don’t keep track of these things, but I feel confident saying that Audi wasn’t shaving 4% off the S4 price two months after the introduction.
I may be wrong but you may not be able to shave 4% off the price of an S4 today and it's been out for years.
Also if they plan to "limit" production 10k next year the prices should drop a lot. The 07/08 take rate was estimated around 5% of TL sales back then. No way the TLX non type S sells near 200k units a year.
Their business plan appears to be building 10k cars annually. The price will eventually stabilize in relation to demand. Just like the competitors prices reflect the demand for their vehicles. I don’t keep track of these things, but I feel confident saying that Audi wasn’t shaving 4% off the S4 price two months after the introduction.
No way they will sell 10K annually. They will be lucky to get 3K. Just like the old Type S, the sales will only be a small percentage of the regular TLX.
No way they will sell 10K annually. They will be lucky to get 3K. Just like the old Type S, the sales will only be a small percentage of the regular TLX.
That’s what their business plan appears to call for. My take is regardless of how they marketed the car in their minds it is primarily a 6T version of the 4T TLX. From a buyers prospective the wheels and adaptive suspension alone are worth probably $3K. That means another $3K for the 6T, upgraded transmission, and Bremos. Not really a bad deal when you look at it that way. I think they might be able to come close to hitting the sales target. I’d say the car with the standard wheels is priced at a $50K transaction price which should help them move it. Time will tell.
From a sales standpoint just think of it as a 6 cylinder TLX-2 Aspec
Which is exactly what it is & not worth what its being priced at. Fully loaded, a 2020 TLX with V6 SH-AWD with all the bells and whistles tops out around $47,000. The Type-S that promises for $7,000 more:
Crafted For Pure Adrenaline
Blistering power meets radical refinement in this dynamic sport sedan. The Type S is designed at its core to deliver an addictive performance-focused driving experience. Take the wheel and ignite the octane in your heart.
But does not deliver on the promise should be sold for no more of a premium over the base engine than about what the old !4 to V6 pricing was $3000.
M340
Optional Wheels, Tires & adaptive suspension $1300. Rest of the package you are claiming for $4,700 is pure BS, just numbers pulled out of the air.
BTW did you actually see their business plan or are you just making the number up?
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Consider that the Acura dealership asking for $11K above MSRP is literally next door to BMW, Audi and Genesis dealers......talking about being clueless....
Quite a contrast to '06 when I got 5.5% discount on my '07 Type-S two months after release. It'll be interesting to see what the 2022s will sell for in November or December.
BTW did you actually see their business plan or are you just making the number up?
This was an internal document that someone leaked. The number of planned Type S sales is represented by the blacked portion within the TLX and other models sales
targets. To my eye the TLX S projected makeup is about 30% of the TLX totals which would be roughly 10,500 TLX units.
I believe chart was for purpose of illustration, no need to over analyze legnths of bars which may be created by a trainee.
Let's assume Acrua wants to sell 35k TLX per year. So if they an sell about 2500 a month regular TLX, then they need to sell 5k TLX-S but if they can sell only 2k regular TLX per month, they need to sell 11k TLX-S. I believe the number of TLX-S they will need to sell will be between 5k and 11k but closer to 5k than 11k. And i also believe they will try to make as many as they can sell starting next year.
What they really need is RDX-S to increase overall sales volume.
Normally I’d be excited about that integra but after the Type S performance failure I’m not getting my hopes up. Lamborghini is bringing back the Countach that will be interesting.
How is the NSX a failure? Have you read the entire spec sheet??
The NSX Type S makes less than 5% more horsepower than the regular model. Sure it goes around a track 2 seconds faster, but Acura has already said that lap times are not what the Acura Type S badge is about. So yeah it's a bit of a failure as a Type S. They would have been better of calling it a Type R if they wanted to point to its track potential.
This was an internal document that someone leaked. The number of planned Type S sales is represented by the blacked portion within the TLX and other models sales targets. To my eye the TLX S projected makeup is about 30% of the TLX totals which would be roughly 10,500 TLX units.
Or the size of the box is big enough to fit the type in. You really think that chart is a business plan? Lets see numbers using the chart.
2022 35,000 Goal for TLX cars sold
2021 32,400 Estimated TLX cars sold Using an average of 2,700 units a month.
2022 2,600 additional sales over 2021 to reach the goal of 35,000 TLX cars
So that says to sell 10,500 Type-S units they would have to sell all 2600 new units as Type-S + convert 7,900 of the potential $44,000 TLX cars into a $54,000 Type-S. This when maybe half their sales are base or base +1 cars.
For what its worth or not "True Car" says the average TLX selling price in 2021 is $43,433 with a $1,313 discount 3%. DC has the biggest average discount 8.2%. $43,000 is a long long way from $54,000 for the average TLX buyer.
Would never touch a demo. Even if they gave you some discount. If you apply it over your term it barely makes any difference. You are paying for a brand new car but receiving used goods.
many demos are driven hard. Know a 3G TL 6MT owner who had two gearbox repair under warranty and the manual never felt right compared to other 3G 6MT he drove later. He believes someone speed shifted his during a demo drive
How is the NSX a failure? Have you read the entire spec sheet??
It's such a failure that Acura is going to discontinue NSX after the 350 Type-s models are made. The only thing they had that actually performed is now being axe and in it's place we are getting round 3 of disappointments, the Intergra. Acura is S H I T show, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up closing doors.
It's such a failure that Acura is going to discontinue NSX after the 350 Type-s models are made. The only thing they had that actually performed is now being axe and in it's place we are getting round 3 of disappointments, the Intergra. Acura is S H I T show, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up closing doors.
Closing doors? Lol. Have you seen Acura’s recent sales? This is not Infiniti we are talking about lol. Not going to argue with that foolish statement.
it’s not the end of the nsx. It’s the end of the second generation nsx. There is a 3 generation nsx coming
I think the Integra Type S will be much more anticipated than the TLX Type S that just came out.
If they can somehow manage to fit that twin scroll turbo into a compact car with considerably less weight than the TLX, then you have the car that can possibly beat the S5.
This was an internal document that someone leaked. The number of planned Type S sales is represented by the blacked portion within the TLX and other models sales
targets. To my eye the TLX S projected makeup is about 30% of the TLX totals which would be roughly 10,500 TLX units.
Acura is keeping its promise! 2022 is around the corner. After a decade of slowdown, finally Acura is back! Integra - YES!
How is the NSX a failure? Have you read the entire spec sheet??
technically the NSX was a success, did well against its peers in driving tests. Ferrari SF90 essentially copied the hybrid drivetrain approach down to the front wheels yaw differential torque. Even the Ferrari hybrid battery pack arranged vertically behind the seats is the same.
business wise the 1G NSX lost money and supposedly didn’t affect Acura’s and Honda’s image. IIRC Development cost of the 1G was $140M while the Dodge Viper was $70M. Viper although cruder in design not only was more sales and money but stayed in production longer. The 1G NSX lost money overall, and I expect the 2G did as well when it finishes 2G production.
FWIW, the McLaren F1 and Porsche 959 were also business failures in the short term as both companies lost considerable capital on them. However both promoted long term extreme technology advancement for both companies that has brought them to where they are today. Ron Dennis and the late Peter Schultz should be proud of what both those cars eventually accomplished.
Intriguing. I can see the Integra Type-S getting the 2.0T from the RDX/TLX (I don't think Honda's going to allow them to use the same engine as the CTR), which, so long as they keep the weight down, should make things pretty interesting. It has plenty of aftermarket support and that little 2.0T can punch way above its segment when done properly. Very very interesting. If it's based on the 11G Civic, it will likely have more interior room than the TLX, and will probably not be much slower. But, if we thought ADM for the TLX-S was bad ... hold onto your britches, boys. I can see these assholes wanting $20K+ over sticker simply for the nameplate.
As for the NSX, holy cow. They should have released it initially looking like the Type-S. It looks way more aggressive. The power bump isn't anything to write home about, but I think the biggest detractor of the car was always its interior. It looks worse than the current Acura offerings. Then again, I don't have $160k to blow on a car, so what the Hell do I know?
They better have something to replace the NSX pretty quickly, the Integra is not it. Right now, someone coming to Acura can get a decent everyday sedan or crossover ... and that's it. No self birthday gift, promotion material available. Even less so when talking about it's performance roots. It's a shame the technology developed for the NSX is not being used in another current model. That V6T and 9DCT could be wonderful in a TLX Type-R, but it will never happen. That 140M R&D cost was pretty much wasted, it did nothing to promote Acura. If anything Honda stole it's homework.
Or the size of the box is big enough to fit the type in. You really think that chart is a business plan? Lets see numbers using the chart.
2022 35,000 Goal for TLX cars sold
2021 32,400 Estimated TLX cars sold Using an average of 2,700 units a month.
2022 2,600 additional sales over 2021 to reach the goal of 35,000 TLX cars
So that says to sell 10,500 Type-S units they would have to sell all 2600 new units as Type-S + convert 7,900 of the potential $44,000 TLX cars into a $54,000 Type-S. This when maybe half their sales are base or base +1 cars.
For what its worth or not "True Car" says the average TLX selling price in 2021 is $43,433 with a $1,313 discount 3%. DC has the biggest average discount 8.2%. $43,000 is a long long way from $54,000 for the average TLX buyer.
Actually the size of the box that contains the Type S is different for each proposed Type S model. The presentation is definitely a projected sales chart that maps out how Acura plans on going from 160K sales in 2019 to 200K sales in 2022. Will they accomplish this? I have no idea. I’m simply interpreting the presentation.
They better have something to replace the NSX pretty quickly, the Integra is not it. Right now, someone coming to Acura can get a decent everyday sedan or crossover ... and that's it. No self birthday gift, promotion material available. Even less so when talking about it's performance roots. It's a shame the technology developed for the NSX is not being used in another current model. That 140M R&D cost was pretty much wasted, it did nothing to promote Acura. If anything Honda stole it's homework.
I'd love to see them offer the NSX at a lower price point by ditching the electrified bits. The V6TT already makes 500hp; if they could use some less exotic materials to reduce costs, get rid of all the batteries and electric motors to reduce weight, and sell it for around $120K (that's the going rate for decently-equipped base 911s these days), I think it could win over a good number of buyers. Supercar styling, Acura driveablity and reliability (even if it's not as great as before, still better than most other cars in this segment), and well priced. It won't be a Corvette, but neither is a 911 and those are selling just fine.
Intergra Type-s will likely get the CT-R engine, perhaps detuned? Not sure. Highly unlike to fit the 3.0T in the new intergra. I'm thrilled they are bringing back an icon and not changing the name.
Intergra Type-s will likely get the CT-R engine, perhaps detuned? Not sure. Highly unlike to fit the 3.0T in the new intergra. I'm thrilled they are bringing back an icon and not changing the name.
Very exciting to see the Integra come back.. I'd love if it were a good high quality coupe or was at least available as one, I really miss the body style being more widely available and it would round out their lineup nicely. Sedan only would make it just a baby TLX which is fine but it'd probably heavily cannibalize TLX sales while not appealing to any additional net customers overall so in my mind it doesn't make sense..
Very exciting to see the Integra come back.. I'd love if it were a good high quality coupe or was at least available as one, I really miss the body style being more widely available and it would round out their lineup nicely. Sedan only would make it just a baby TLX which is fine but it'd probably heavily cannibalize TLX sales while not appealing to any additional net customers overall so in my mind it doesn't make sense..
I hope they keep it as a 2 door! I'll gladly take the Acura's of the 90's / early 2000's over the new stuff.
Very exciting to see the Integra come back.. I'd love if it were a good high quality coupe or was at least available as one, I really miss the body style being more widely available and it would round out their lineup nicely. Sedan only would make it just a baby TLX which is fine but it'd probably heavily cannibalize TLX sales while not appealing to any additional net customers overall so in my mind it doesn't make sense..
Cant wait until its out so you guys have more things to complain about.
Cant wait until its out so you guys have more things to complain about.
Funny. But not fair. I'll stop complaining as soon as Acura puts out a respectable car that doesn't come in dead last versus its peers and excels at either performance or luxury - better yet, both - because I expect more from a "premium" brand than churning out loaded Civics and Accords.
Actually the size of the box that contains the Type S is different for each proposed Type S model. The presentation is definitely a projected sales chart that maps out how Acura plans on going from 160K sales in 2019 to 200K sales in 2022. Will they accomplish this? I have no idea. I’m simply interpreting the presentation.
Looking at the numbers, not the size of the boxes, you really think they can sell 10,000 Type-S a year to a customer base that now spends $43,000 on an Acura? Better yet what would lead Acura management to believe that they can sell 10,000 $54,000 cars a year? How many RLX cars in the $50,000 range did they sell a year?
Think rather than a real plan is an interns Christmas list.
Cant wait until its out so you guys have more things to complain about.
Come on man, I wanted to love the TLX-S and spent some time here defending it even but you can't argue with the results as they trickled in. Surely you understand some of the disappointment. Knowing nothing else about it and caring about nothing else, a coupe would just be a nice to see thing regardless.
Cant wait until its out so you guys have more things to complain about.
yeah, that’s what there here for. A few went onto NeuroBobs nice NSXPO thread with pics from the event and started complaining over there. Seems standard operating procedure for some here.
yeah, that’s what there here for. A few went onto NeuroBobs nice NSXPO thread with pics from the event and started complaining over there. Seems standard operating procedure for some here.
I'm sure there is a Facebook group you can join if you want to chill out with a bunch of hivemind fanboys. As for me, I like the pros, the cons and learning from guys who know more about cars than I do.
Speaking of negativity, this recent discussion was mostly positive until Nexx's post. Scroll up and see for yourself.
I'm sure there is a Facebook group you can join if you want to chill out with a bunch of hivemind fanboys. As for me, I like the pros, the cons and learning from guys who know more about cars than I do.
Speaking of negativity, this recent discussion was mostly positive until Nexx's post. Scroll up and see for yourself.
whatever you say, keep drinking your koolaid and talking into your echo chamber 😂😅🤣 I'm sure there is a Facebook group you can join if you want to complain intensely like a 10 year old girl
Looking at the numbers, not the size of the boxes, you really think they can sell 10,000 Type-S a year to a customer base that now spends $43,000 on an Acura? Better yet what would lead Acura management to believe that they can sell 10,000 $54,000 cars a year? How many RLX cars in the $50,000 range did they sell a year?
Think rather than a real plan is an interns Christmas list.
I don’t own a crystal ball. We’ll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
They better have something to replace the NSX pretty quickly, the Integra is not it. Right now, someone coming to Acura can get a decent everyday sedan or crossover ... and that's it. No self birthday gift, promotion material available. Even less so when talking about it's performance roots. It's a shame the technology developed for the NSX is not being used in another current model. That V6T and 9DCT could be wonderful in a TLX Type-R, but it will never happen. That 140M R&D cost was pretty much wasted, it did nothing to promote Acura. If anything Honda stole it's homework.
With the way the market is going, Acura is going to re-introduce the NSX for a third time, resurrecting it as a large luxury SUV with a 3.0T hybrid powerplant.
Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN
Intergra Type-s will likely get the CT-R engine, perhaps detuned? Not sure. Highly unlike to fit the 3.0T in the new intergra. I'm thrilled they are bringing back an icon and not changing the name.
As much as I would love it, I just don't see Honda giving Acura the engine. But, the K20C4 is basically a de-tuned CTR engine anywho. Yes, there's quite a bit more to it than simply a smaller turbo, but I'm sure looking at the profit margins and just the pettiness of automakers, I see the C4 getting the nod over the C1.
Really, I can see two outcomes of what the Integra Type-S will be. Basically an upscale Civic that's nicer to drive around (or basically just the level of a Civic Touring with extra performance) that slots in between the Si and the Type-R as far as performance. Or, Acura will YOLO it and get the Type-R engine, not have all the track and suspension bits that the Type-R gets and basically has 95% of the straight-line performance while not being quite as adept in the corners at the compromise of a nicer ride ... and the Integra will likely have a higher curb weight.
I can see plenty of people complaining about it not being a two-door coupe (says it right in their plans that it's going to be a sedan) ... and honestly, I can see them only offering it with a 10AT. Don't throw shit at me, I'm not saying they should, but from a business standpoint, I can see them going that route.
Acura ain’t playing no more. They are literally going for Lexus throat and doing a damn good job at it.
This is why I shit on Acura/Honda fanboys. The Integra is aimed at what, exactly, in Lexus's line-up? If you had synapses that actually fired properly, you'd see that Lexus is aimed at a completely different market. They dabble in performance here and there, but it's secondary, if not even lower, in their business model. Except for a handful of months, Lexus basically doubles what Acura sells in the US. Plus, in the next couple years, Lexus is refreshing a large chunk of their line-up, so even with their stale offerings, they're still outpacing Acura that fronts "*bam* Power! *pow* Performance! *zing* Precision!" at every turn.
Heck, it's conjecture, but I can see the very reason for Acura diverging from their previous selling model solely because they knew deep down that they didn't have a shot in shit at actually catching Lexus, so they're going after a different market ... a bunch of mouth breathers who say stupid shit like that on the internet that get uproarious over a mid-13sec quarter mile car.
With the way the market is going, Acura is going to re-introduce the NSX for a third time, resurrecting it as a large luxury SUV with a 3.0T hybrid powerplant.
As much as I would love it, I just don't see Honda giving Acura the engine. But, the K20C4 is basically a de-tuned CTR engine anywho. Yes, there's quite a bit more to it than simply a smaller turbo, but I'm sure looking at the profit margins and just the pettiness of automakers, I see the C4 getting the nod over the C1.
Really, I can see two outcomes of what the Integra Type-S will be. Basically an upscale Civic that's nicer to drive around (or basically just the level of a Civic Touring with extra performance) that slots in between the Si and the Type-R as far as performance. Or, Acura will YOLO it and get the Type-R engine, not have all the track and suspension bits that the Type-R gets and basically has 95% of the straight-line performance while not being quite as adept in the corners at the compromise of a nicer ride ... and the Integra will likely have a higher curb weight.
I can see plenty of people complaining about it not being a two-door coupe (says it right in their plans that it's going to be a sedan) ... and honestly, I can see them only offering it with a 10AT. Don't throw shit at me, I'm not saying they should, but from a business standpoint, I can see them going that route.
But again, who the fuck am I? Nobody ...
You're someone who is highly knowledgeable, a true car guy and not one to defend a brand (who wouldn't care who you are anyway) because of some childish emotional connection behind it. Reminds me of the saying "you must have lost your virginity in that vehicle" the way some of these guys here are on this endless purpose to defend the brand.
Originally Posted by leomio2.0
From Kirk's YouTube video comment section:
This is why I shit on Acura/Honda fanboys. The Integra is aimed at what, exactly, in Lexus's line-up? If you had synapses that actually fired properly, you'd see that Lexus is aimed at a completely different market. They dabble in performance here and there, but it's secondary, if not even lower, in their business model. Except for a handful of months, Lexus basically doubles what Acura sells in the US. Plus, in the next couple years, Lexus is refreshing a large chunk of their line-up, so even with their stale offerings, they're still outpacing Acura that fronts "*bam* Power! *pow* Performance! *zing* Precision!" at every turn.
Heck, it's conjecture, but I can see the very reason for Acura diverging from their previous selling model solely because they knew deep down that they didn't have a shot in shit at actually catching Lexus, so they're going after a different market ... a bunch of mouth breathers who say stupid shit like that on the internet that get uproarious over a mid-13sec quarter mile car.
As a fan of the Integra, I'm not that big of a jackass to say such half baked comments. We all know it's going to be a 2 door ILX anyway
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When the NSX came out, the sales for it were horrible. They had to give a $20k discount at one point to move units. When you're discounting your car more than Chrysler/Ford/Chevy, you know it's doing bad in sales. It's a beautiful car. Amazing machine. But it's like the Lexus LFA. When you can buy other established sports cars/supercars for that price, it makes someone wonder "Why spend $150k on an Acura when I can buy a Mercedes AMG or Ashton Martin for the same price?" Porsche 911 GT3, Audi R8, Mercedes AMG GT, and others that are well established in the sports car/supercar world. So I'm not surprised they cut production of it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Acura is nice and all but they're dropping the ball in some places. I'm excited about the Integra. I'm ready to see what they'll actually put in it. I'm thinking the Type R 2.0t.
When the NSX came out, the sales for it were horrible. They had to give a $20k discount at one point to move units. When you're discounting your car more than Chrysler/Ford/Chevy, you know it's doing bad in sales. It's a beautiful car. Amazing machine. But it's like the Lexus LFA. When you can buy other established sports cars/supercars for that price, it makes someone wonder "Why spend $150k on an Acura when I can buy a Mercedes AMG or Ashton Martin for the same price?" Porsche 911 GT3, Audi R8, Mercedes AMG GT, and others that are well established in the sports car/supercar world. So I'm not surprised they cut production of it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Acura is nice and all but they're dropping the ball in some places. I'm excited about the Integra. I'm ready to see what they'll actually put in it. I'm thinking the Type R 2.0t.
little if any prestige, yes an amazing car heck even Bobby Rahal’s son Graham like his dad helped tune the chassis (Bobby and Ayrton Senna did the 1G). Also the C8 offers similar performance for about 1/2 the cost. Kinda curious if C8 are taking away exotic car sales?
When the NSX came out, the sales for it were horrible. They had to give a $20k discount at one point to move units. When you're discounting your car more than Chrysler/Ford/Chevy, you know it's doing bad in sales. It's a beautiful car. Amazing machine. But it's like the Lexus LFA. When you can buy other established sports cars/supercars for that price, it makes someone wonder "Why spend $150k on an Acura when I can buy a Mercedes AMG or Ashton Martin for the same price?" Porsche 911 GT3, Audi R8, Mercedes AMG GT, and others that are well established in the sports car/supercar world. So I'm not surprised they cut production of it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Acura is nice and all but they're dropping the ball in some places. I'm excited about the Integra. I'm ready to see what they'll actually put in it. I'm thinking the Type R 2.0t.
I really love the NSX and at some point once i'm done with my house renovation, would like to buy one. I agree with the prices at least when new. Even in the market today, everything is absurd.. As I was turning 20 years old, I really wanted a few vehicles. One of which was the 98 Supra and the other being an Integra Type-R. Supra's at that time were starting to climb up in prices and the intergra was like a dime a dozen in my area.
I kid you not, they were being stolen left and right. There were two yellow type-r on my street and both stolen just weeks from each other. It was enough to turn me off from buying it. I still kick myself in the ass for not buying either one.. I am thrilled the Integra is coming back. I also have to remind myself, this is Acura of today not the Acura of the 90's.. In other words, not to get over excited and forget that somewhere there's going to be a disappointment. Such iconic cars have big shoes to fill to nail it right. The type-s badge no longer means what it meant and has lost it's luster for me. So I hope and on team acura, that they don't fuck this up..
I am thrilled the Integra is coming back. I also have to remind myself, this is Acura of today not the Acura of the 90's.. In other words, not to get over excited and forget that somewhere there's going to be a disappointment. Such iconic cars have big shoes to fill to nail it right. The type-s badge no longer means what it meant and has lost it's luster for me. So I hope and on team acura, that they don't fuck this up..
With how things are going in the automotive industry (not just Honda/Acura), I'd temper my expectations. As much as we'd all love a CTR clone, I don't see Acura going that route and using the nameplate primarily to generate hype and potential sales. When the NSX returned, people were up in arms about what it was, saying it wasn't true to the original NSX. Same went for the Supra being a rebadged Z4. That's not to say neither were great cars, but it wasn't what people were expecting.
Now, if they stick a 1.5T in there with a CVT, I'm leaving a flaming bag of poop on Jon Ikeda's front stoop ....
Well, for the base Integra, ok, but not the Type-S.
08-12-2021, 05:32 PM
many demos are driven hard. Know a 3G TL 6MT owner who had two gearbox repair under warranty and the manual never felt right compared to other 3G 6MT he drove later. He believes someone speed shifted his during a demo drive
