leomio2.0

Wow, that's quite an optimistic outlook on sales. I'm not slamming them, I'm thinking this is a good thing for people who want one. It seems that the prospect is to churn these out and get them out there. If this is accurate, Acura views this more like an additional trim rather than a "special edition." My prior notion that these would be limited and thus, marked up for years, would be drastically wrong if this is their projections. It probably won't be uncommon to start getting these discounted once the whole chip shortage and buying frenzy ebbs. That is, if this is accurate and not just someone pulling something out of their ca-ca.

Yeaaaa, but I figure they're just making due with the current issues. We all know about what's going on with production in the auto industry, and let's face it, the MDX and RDX are what are keeping the lights on. Not the TLX, and certainly not the TLX Type-S. Plus, I'd think they want these in showrooms to draw people into dealers.

BOWA41

Both St. Louis dealers (St. Louis and Frank Leta) received their demo units today.

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BEAR-AvHistory

Not unusual. The new 2020 C8 Corvette rolled out with thousands of pre-orders going back 2 years in some cases. The 2020 MY was sold out about the time they had the big reveal. They had to roll some over to 2021 models as they could not build them fast enough. Early deliveries were restricted to specific colors & equipment. Was a number of months before the full color & equipment list was available.

As far as demand Acura better hope its not just 3 or 4 pre-sales per dealer.

Camaro194

Looks like the Midwest is up first. This dealer is in Illinois.

C'mon Acura, I'm only 3 hours from where they're made!

mikedub88

My dealer(s) are only 30 minutes from where they are made, haven't seen anything yet! I assume its because people at the dealership are out driving it.

Shadow2056

I think the dealers are getting their models for the lot then orders are being filled for individuals. Each dealership gets a certain allocation of the models. Colors, trims, etc.

BEAR-AvHistory

FWIW The companies biggest volume dealers will get the most & the first allocated cars for any new model.

NBP04TL4ME

I just reached out to a semi-local dealer (none are close to me) and they said

"We do have a TLX Type S Demo arriving next week, however, it will not be available to test drive. The ETA on a test drive if you do not have a deposit on one is early next year. Right now there is a $5,000 Addendum on them"

If you believe their website they are supposedly the largest new car Acura sales dealer in the world for 17 years straight. So if all of this is true we may all be waiting quite some time before we get time behind the wheel. I didn't ask how much sooner the $5K deposit allowed.

jjsC5

Umm, what are we missing here? How is it they can't let you drive a "demo". Thats what they are for! I'd track down the owner of that dealer and ask him if he owns any other dealers so I can be sure not to buy from any of them.

pyrodan007

This makes no sense at all, unless there's a waiting line out the dealership EVERY SINGLE DAY there should be zero reasons to have to wait that long to touch a car. It's not a special order, just to see if someone likes the car. Usually the last step before someone signs the paper (if the price is right). Acura is losing sales with this method, hopefully it's just a one off. 5k deposit just to have a chance, smells like politician BS

Camaro194

Yea, that's crazy. The three around me all said they'd call once the demo gets in and schedule a test drive. Deposits ranged from $500-1000 if you wanted to get first dibs on the ones that arrive.

F23A4

Agreed, that's a little over the top. My dealership didnt mention any of that nonsense. (Granted, having purchased 8 new Acuras at their store over the years could mean they'll spare me that crap.)

DubPK

$5k deposit just to test drive? What the hell. Maybe trying to keep the mileage as low as possible for when they are allowed to sell their demo in I think it was six months. Knowing dealers will probably still try to sell it as new for full sticker lol.

NBP04TL4ME

I agree with all of your responses, but maybe being "the largest new car sales volume Acura dealer in the world for 17 years" allows them to pull stunts like this. We are headed back to Boston for the 4th of July and i may check in with some of the dealers there although we have a full schedule.

ELIN

$5000 gets you a test drive with God's gift to sports sedans. LOL

csmeance

Acura is seriously going to shoot themselves in the foot if dealers keep trying to act like they are selling a limited edition M3... Hell even the NSX doesn't sell at MSRP, why should the TLX-S sell 5K above MSRP and buyers not even allowed a test drive? Pretty shady tactics already....

Shadow2056

Any dealer that tells me it's a mark up on the Type S, I'll laugh while walking out. It's not some special model that will never be made again. It's not an M3 CS or AMG.

fiatlux

Precision Crafted Markups

DubPK

Reading around and personal experience I think a lot of dealers are doing MSRP, this $5000 deposit + markup BS I don't think will be the norm. MSRP, however, will likely be the minimum you're going to get for a while until supply catches up to demand that is mostly created by the shortages and delays, and I'm sure the 2000 are all sold for 2021 by now.

Only one dealer I've contacted was doing markup if I recall correctly, others said MSRP but were sold and one had 1 or 2 late slots left and was offering MSRP but wouldn't budge on it and said the deposit would be refundable up until a test drive. They were being pretty fair as far as sales guys can be and even said it before I did that he can't expect me to put a non refundable deposit down on a car I can't take for a drive yet lol. You just gotta shop around if you're seriously interested, dealers trying to pull a fast one laugh and walk out. They will change their tune once they weed out the suckers willing to pay 5-10k over sticker.

fiatlux

It's probably very region dependent. When I checked last month, I called the three closest dealerships. One of them wouldn't give me an estimate on the ADM, but the other two said they're planning on a $10-15K ADM. Bear in mind this is in an area where the CTR is still commanding over $5K in markups. Even the old Golf R was marked up by no less than $2K, so hopefully other folks have better luck in this area.

DubPK

Could be, I suppose certain markets they might be able to exploit more easily than others but no way it will last. Getting ripped off by paying MSRP is one thing for something like this or the Type R even but 10-15k markup? They probably will sell the initial 2021 models easily enough but good luck moving them for that in 2022. They will come down to earth, probably end up with incentives even if you can wait until next summer.

BEAR-AvHistory

For the gotta have it the C&D, R&T, MT instrumented road test should do a lot to set the actual demand for the car. Once the first on the block "enthusiast driver" is weeded out I don't believe the Type-S is a gotta have it car for the typical Acura buyer. Don't remember seeing many G3 TL-S cars when the TL was selling 70,000+ units a year & the neighborhood was flooded with TL's at every traffic light.

Even the $5000 ADM some of the guys have quoted will push the car above actual OTD pricing for BMW, MB, Audi mid level performance cars like the M340.

bilirubin

Spoke with my dealer last week, all 6 of their Type S' sold out at MSRP. No mark ups.
They don't know if they'll be getting any more until 2022.

sombasol

Everyone complaining about this is failing to underatand the basics of supply and demand. When supply matches or exceeds demand all of this will go back to normal. They are finding that there is high demand, so they are charging more because they can and someone will spend it. This isnt a forever issue. You need to be willing to pay a premium if you want it first because if you dont someone else will. If you dont’t get one of the first 2000 in the us or first 240 in Canada then you’re waiting until probably OCtober or november. if you can wait that long then do so and at that point you will probably still be paying msrp. Wait until february, then you might be able to haggle. You can be annoyed by it but its nonsensical to complain about basic economics.

jjsC5

I agree. There is too much good competition out there.

jjsC5

I fully understand, but most of these comments are in response to the arrogant dealer not even willing to let him drive a demo. And frankly, I doubt if there really is all that big of a difference in supply and demand. They are likely trying to create it.

Most buyers who are ready for a new car in this class will likely walk over to another dealer if there really is a shortage warranting markups. Since the non S hit the market I’ve seen exactly three of them. And I’m REALLY good at spotting cars.

dmski

Dealers will always try markups, don't forget the used car market is bonkers as well so someone with a low mileage 3-4 year old car will get good money for it and may pay more for the Type S especially if they are not happy and want to move on to the next shiny new toy.....

DubPK

For sure, this will not be a volume car, none of the Type S models will be. For me I'm mainly interested because I want one last good ICE V6 "fun" car that's not completely outrageous before the market goes completely hybrid/electric, might be the only time in life I take the depreciation hit on a brand new car to (it's an unknown and a gamble but MAYBE the Type S holds above average TLX resale value in the future to). Been looking at this, the G70, the S4, not the BMW so much but it's been in the corner of my eye, etc. Slightly impartial to the Acura just because Honda has treated me and my whole family actually really well over the years. Not some kind of a crazy fan that thinks they do no wrong just a soft spot in the heart for them.

Whatever happens hopefully the infrastructure catches up to this electric future in the next 7-15 years. Seems like a bad idea today to own anything but a Tesla because of the lack of fast charging stations or whatever we're gonna end up with. Who knows what tech shows up ten years down the road that may make battery powered cars look foolish to you never know.

ELIN

Like hydrogen fuel cell cars?

Shadow2056

So I change my original statement about the mark up.

Dealers are starting to put mark ups on regular cars like Civics and Odyssey's. I've been told Toyota is putting mark ups on their 4Runners. Low inventory and low availability makes dealers try to get every dime they can from these cars. And no one is discounting them. No one is going by TrueCar anymore. So if you don't want to pay mark up, best bet would be to wait until this chip shortage mess is over or to have been one of the lucky ones who put down a deposit and discussed numbers before they came out.

DubPK

One of many possibilities. I'm not sold on the viability of billions of lithium-ion batteries but beyond the battery problems we need some standards here. For example we can't have fast charging networks for just Tesla's and others for just Ford's or Honda's etc and right now it kinda looks that way. We need the car equivalent of what's happened in phones where everything uses the same charger and the infrastructure catches up to make it as convenient as gas. A Tesla or whatever is great if you never leave town where your home charger or a fast charge station is always nearby but what happens if you take it on a trip? What if you need to cross vast distances of emptiness and nothing but some small towns along the way like most of the upper midwest? Gonna stop at a gas station and ask to stay plugged into their 120v line outside for 12 hours? Just a number of logistical problems not solved for yet in my mind. I want it to get there and I'm excited to see what comes down the pipe but just not there yet for me and many others.

jjsC5

What is interesting is that there are still a number of new cars with factory incentives. Lexus is one of them. There are incentives on virtually all of their vehicles. We have a GX460 (my wife’s) that according to KBB has gone up in resale the past 18 months by about ten percent. If I can get any discount at all on a new RX350/450H I’m seriously thinking about it even though my plan has been to wait until winter. At some point the current situation will “correct” itself.

Camaro194

Just stopped by the local dealer since I saw their website showed one in inventory. Man, the apex blue pearl looks so damn good. They just got it in yesterday and it wasn't available to test drive yet. He'll be giving me a call next week once it's ready to go. The Type S touches do look good in person. The base wheels weren't bad either, but I'm holding out for the Y spokes.

a35tl

Did you take any pictures to share?

Camaro194

No, but I'm going to stop by again tomorrow since there won't be anyone around.

ELIN

I'm not sold on electric because of the environmental hazard that the used batteries pose once they can't sufficiently hold a charge. I don't think recovering the lithium is cheap or popular. The earth is paying the price in the end.

loki

Yeah, good luck guys. Everyone said Civic Type R will sell over MSRP for just few months too. Yet, here we are 4 years later, at the dawn of the 11th Gen Type R and it STILL sells for at least $5K over, in many cases $10-15K, some even $25K. Right now, as I type, Racine Honda has two for $26K over MSRP.

jjsC5

And once again the key word is “has”. I’m finding it hard to fathom many people, if any, are paying more than a few thousand over. $25,000 over puts you at a price point where you can by some pretty neat cars. Hmmm, should I buy an M3 or a Civic?
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sombasol

ya they can ask what ever they want. It just means if some dummy walks in and offers 10K over asking he feels like hes getting a deal and the dealership is laughing. I don’t see the type S having the same cache (and im picking mine up in 10 days so its not like im bashing the car) as the type R. I think the type S is basically going to just be another trim level when the dust settles and the shortages are over where as the type R is dynamically nothing like the base civic.