Is everyone ready for the Type S Concept? (Reveal Pics Page 5)
#2441
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+1, reading some of the comments reminds me of when my two daughters were in middle school and the drama with some of the other students
Curious to see the schematic view of the new V6, and what new tech and how the package compares to the J-series.
Man, I'm old I remember when the J30 came out in the 97 CL, looked so small compared to the 90o V6 in the C-series
Curious to see the schematic view of the new V6, and what new tech and how the package compares to the J-series.
Man, I'm old I remember when the J30 came out in the 97 CL, looked so small compared to the 90o V6 in the C-series
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#2442
I am not sure why people are calling the horsepower a fail. No one is complaining about the S for 349 hp and that thing is pretty damn quick. At a starting price of 45K that is a true bargain. The good thing about Acura Most of their equipment is standard unlike Audi which will nickel and dime you for things that should be standard.
Now, time has passed and the G20 M340i wipes the floor with it, but trust that the B10 S4 will see a sizable bump in power. If Acura benchmarked the B9 S4 and only sought to match that without adding in the headroom to account for the improvements in the next gen models, they're going to be left in the dust when the B10 and W206 models come out.
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#2443
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Heck, this doesn't sound bad. I mean, we're currently seeing a TLX with 290 hp and it's no slouch. A 65 hp bump can't be bad, combined with a better transmission it's definitely going to be pleasant.
I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.
So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?
I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.
So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?
#2445
Null and proud of it
Wait, we're talking roughly $45K for a 355 hp TypeS?
I know it'll be a while until the dealers stop obscenely marking up the price, but dang. I thought it would be closer $55K.
This really isn't that much more than a 2008 Type S, weren't they like $39K new?
I know it'll be a while until the dealers stop obscenely marking up the price, but dang. I thought it would be closer $55K.
This really isn't that much more than a 2008 Type S, weren't they like $39K new?
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Heck, this doesn't sound bad. I mean, we're currently seeing a TLX with 290 hp and it's no slouch. A 65 hp bump can't be bad, combined with a better transmission it's definitely going to be pleasant.
I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.
So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?
I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.
So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?
#2448
Safety Car
Should be interesting to see what else they put this motor in. From a layman's knowledge point of view...developing a new engine costs a TON of money and so presumably this will be the re-vitalization for future sport-oriented vehicles?....
#2449
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#2450
Burning Brakes
Wonder why they stayed closer to 350 then. If it's the transmission fault, they need to do deeper changes to make their stuff more future ready. If you say "but it costs more", the cost to change it later is always more compared to designing it right.
#2451
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For right now the MDX type-s will have it and possibly with a hybrid system attached. I doubt they will put it in the ILX. They are coming out with a new sedan (I believe), so its possible there will be a type-s version of that. As for the current RDX, I don't think so. Maybe a revised version with more power.
Now, again talking as a layman....what I could see is maybe they see this new motor as the starting platform...and they could continue to refine/build on top of it and in the future years come out with higher hp variants/successors?....I have no clue though....someone with more industry insider knowledge than me could help out...
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Heck, this doesn't sound bad. I mean, we're currently seeing a TLX with 290 hp and it's no slouch. A 65 hp bump can't be bad, combined with a better transmission it's definitely going to be pleasant.
I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.
So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?
I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.
So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?
#2453
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Honestly, I'd rather 355hp and great chassis tuning than 400hp and container ship handling. We just have to wait for Car and Driver OR Road and Track to get their hands on one for testing purposes. (Would love the see Matt Watson run this on CarWow vs the S4/C43 but I suppose it wont be sold in the UK market.)
#2454
Burning Brakes
The S4 Competes with the Older versions of those cars not the current versions. Audi will be bumping those numbers up no doubt about it. Currently the S4 does NOT compete with either of them power wise. It consistently loses in every aspect other than Interior finish.
#2455
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Honestly, I'd rather 355hp and great chassis tuning than 400hp and container ship handling. We just have to wait for Car and Driver OR Road and Track to get their hands on one for testing purposes. (Would love the see Matt Watson run this on CarWow vs the S4/C43 but I suppose it wont be sold in the UK market.)
I know some people have brought up the Red Sport....but IIRC one of the main complaints of the Red Sport despite its 400hp is the sloshy torque-converted automatic that was not very inspiring.
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#2458
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Acura MDX and TLX. Perhaps in a JDM Legend
And developing a new motor, yeah that was a huge investment overall.
I'm guessing it will be Honda's last V6 considering the J-series lasted 23+ years and I expect majority of Honda to be EV in 23 years.
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Honestly, I'd rather 355hp and great chassis tuning than 400hp and container ship handling. We just have to wait for Car and Driver OR Road and Track to get their hands on one for testing purposes. (Would love the see Matt Watson run this on CarWow vs the S4/C43 but I suppose it wont be sold in the UK market.)
With the serial sequencing of the FOUR planetary sets, if one planetary gear ratio is changed then 1-2 more gear ratio's are also changed (I'm still trying to figure out how four sequential planetary sets = 10 ratios).
The Honda 10AT transmission teardown YouTube video is very informative.
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#2461
Honestly, I'd rather 355hp and great chassis tuning than 400hp and container ship handling. We just have to wait for Car and Driver OR Road and Track to get their hands on one for testing purposes. (Would love the see Matt Watson run this on CarWow vs the S4/C43 but I suppose it wont be sold in the UK market.)
#2462
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Why does it have to be either or? Are you suggesting the M340i handles like a boat? We all know Hondas/Acuras handle well, so that should already be a given. I'd love to see them take the next step and come out with something that can also keep up in a straight line. But alas, that would be antithetical to Honda's MO of trying to accomplish something with less.
And still nobody addressed the fact that the current TLX runs a 14.5s quarter mile? A half second slower than a goddamn 1999 Ford Mustang GT? That's unspeakably pathetic. An extra 65 HP and a better trans will put it ... where, in the mid-high 13s? WTF is Honda even engineering? The Europeans are deep in the 12's. You'd barely be able to make out the badge of the car absolutely embarrassing you with that disparity in performance. Laughable. Anyone who buys the Type S is nothing but a Honda bootlicker.
#2463
And still nobody addressed the fact that the current TLX runs a 14.5s quarter mile? A half second slower than a goddamn 1999 Ford Mustang GT? That's unspeakably pathetic. An extra 65 HP and a better trans will put it ... where, in the mid-high 13s? WTF is Honda even engineering? The Europeans are deep in the 12's. You'd barely be able to make out the badge of the car absolutely embarrassing you with that disparity in performance. Laughable. Anyone who buys the Type S is nothing but a Honda bootlicker.
#2464
Null and proud of it
I was never interested in the 1G TLX, but your post prompted me to look up what the 3.5L SH-AWD TLX runs. 14.5s at 96.6MPH. My god. I knew it wasn’t a performance car, but holy hell the thing is actually SLOW! Acura definitely isn’t underpowering their numbers. Jesus. HARD pass on the 2G. Jesus. I was still on the fence, but this right here just completely axed even considering the 2G.
Not sure where you got that number from. I did drive an Odyssey van with the TLX drivetrain and found it surprisingly quick. It was quicker than 3G TL was.
#2465
6G TLX-S
Before the introduction of the current gen MDX, forum members were saying that there was no point having 2 AWD trims for the MDX and that the Hybrid-AWD would replace the SH-AWD mechanics. But voila, Acura does release 2 different AWD trims for the MDX. So it is next to impossible to read Honda/Acura's mind in terms of product releasing.
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#2466
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I was never interested in the 1G TLX, but your post prompted me to look up what the 3.5L SH-AWD TLX runs. 14.5s at 96.6MPH. My god. I knew it wasn’t a performance car, but holy hell the thing is actually SLOW! Acura definitely isn’t underpowering their numbers. Jesus. HARD pass on the 2G. Jesus. I was still on the fence, but this right here just completely axed even considering the 2G.
Edit: Your post prompted me to look up the 99 Mustang GT which I didnt locate but I did find some numbers on the Cobra version......looks like the TLX 3.5 PAWS would slow walk it. Nothing to brag about but, not a slug either.
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Perhaps its Acura's safety assistance system similar to BMW's intelligent safety drivers assist package. Shown here on my BMW
#2468
Anyone noticed the Type-S pace car is somewhat mashed up? It has fake headlights, old-style side mirrors, and the panel alignments are funny.
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To be fair, you can't really compare the Type-S to the current TLX V6. The latter is a gussied up 9G Accord V6 with SHAWD and the same engine used in their minivan and pickup truck. Acura might claim it to be a sport sedan and competitive with the Germans, but we all know it's not. The Type-S really should be more competitive, and I do expect it to be close, but I was feeling a hell of a lot better about its chances yesterday than today.
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....or just make peace without SH-AWD and get the 3.5 PAWS, which is a bit quicker. But, it sounds like you've moved on from the TLX. So, keep us posted on what you ultimately get.
Edit: Your post prompted me to look up the 99 Mustang GT which I didnt locate but I did find some numbers on the Cobra version......looks like the TLX 3.5 PAWS would slow walk it. Nothing to brag about but, not a slug either.
Edit: Your post prompted me to look up the 99 Mustang GT which I didnt locate but I did find some numbers on the Cobra version......looks like the TLX 3.5 PAWS would slow walk it. Nothing to brag about but, not a slug either.
vs.
1999 Mustang GT: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...rd-mustang-gt/
Different rags (couldn't find C&D's test on both), but shouldn't be too far off. Doesn't look like the powertrain of the TLX changed at all though thru its life. I know, it's a stupid comparison, but I just find it funny that Honda claims Acura is their performance branch. The Type S is finally something they can say is even in the realm of "performance" compared to the last decade. Still, when you were putting out a car that could possibly get eeked out by a goddamn V6 Camry ... what an embarrassment. Honda probably did the same with this current SH-AWD + 10AT ... lot of transmission tuning to preserve the drivetrain over pure performance. Low numbers, even lower performance figures.
#2472
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If that $45k is true, I am still interested, especially once I hear about actual handling, which will be a big part of the Type S package. I am unsurprised about the power figures. I expect they will be tweaked and massaged before release next year. Could be higher? After all the numbers are announced on a prototype car. If not, Hondata and K-Tuner are going to be there... Hoping it's underrated like the K20C4 in my Accord.
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#2474
Well, we all know the sedan is not the best market now and days. So they still cannot price this car against the three other major car manufacturers. Given the times we are in if the Type-S was priced high they would not move as many units. Like I mentioned before I think they are trying to keep cost as low as they can. So 45k does make sense and then fully loaded will probably be 52-55k.
If that $45k is true, I am still interested, especially once I hear about actual handling, which will be a big part of the Type S package. I am unsurprised about the power figures. I expect they will be tweaked and massaged before release next year. Could be higher? After all the numbers are announced on a prototype car. If not, Hondata and K-Tuner are going to be there... Hoping it's underrated like the K20C4 in my Accord.
#2475
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That’s not the parking brake switch. That’s the parking sensor on/off switch. Also, the car with the circle around it is for the various driver assist safety features. LKAS, BSM, collision mitigation, etc. Same controls as in the higher trimmed 10g Accords.
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They re-ran this episode on south park today. Couldn't have asked for better timing LMAO
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#2479
My 07' Type S now has 175,000 miles. It runs fine but I'm going to wait for the Type S reviews. I might just get the A-spec though. I would certainly not be happy getting smoked by a base model BMW.
#2480
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If that $45k is true, I am still interested, especially once I hear about actual handling, which will be a big part of the Type S package. I am unsurprised about the power figures. I expect they will be tweaked and massaged before release next year. Could be higher? After all the numbers are announced on a prototype car. If not, Hondata and K-Tuner are going to be there... Hoping it's underrated like the K20C4 in my Accord.