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1. Lexus
2. Porsche
3. Kia
4.Toyota
5. Buick
6. Cadillac
7. Hyundai
8. Genesis
9. Lincoln
10. Acura
11. BMW
12. Chevrolet
13. Mitsubishi
14. Mazda INDUSTRY AVERAGE
15. Mercedes-Benz
16. Ram
17. Dodge
18. MINI
19.Subaru
20. Audi
21. Nissan
22. Ford
23. Infiniti
24. Jeep
25. GMC
26. Volvo
27. Honda
28. Volkswagen
29. Chrysler
30. Jaguar
31. Alfa Romeo
32. Poop in a toilet
32a. Land Rover
What's most remarkable to me is that Cadillac actually fares better than Acura in both surveys. Damn, that Blackwing is really calling to me. Hopefully GM produces more of them in the coming years. Even tho I hate them. I feel like a girl with battered woman syndrome ...
JD Power's Survey is very different from CR's.
What's most remarkable to me is that Cadillac actually fares better than Acura in both surveys. Damn, that Blackwing is really calling to me. Hopefully GM produces more of them in the coming years. Even tho I hate them. I feel like a girl with battered woman syndrome ...
Different test methodology, not a direct comparison.
JD "The 2021 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from 33,251 original owners of 2018 model-year vehicles after three years of ownership. The study was fielded from July 2020 through November 2020."
“Today’s three-year-old vehicles are of higher quality and more dependable than in previous years,”
CR "On this list, brands are scored on a combination of CR's own road testing, owner satisfaction, predicted reliability, and safety. Remarkably, CR recommends all seven of the Mazda models it has tested, and we get it. Mazda cars offer a unique blend of driving fun, high quality, reliability, and style all at a reasonable price."
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"2021 Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 Struggles to Engage Its Pilot. Engine aside, the Q60 Red Sport 400 can't pull off the sports part of sports coupe. The Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 AWD isn't a great sports coupe. The great ones offer more engaging handling, better and more responsive steering, and even a manual gearbox."
OUCH!!
Numbers: 400BHP, Curb weight 3900–4050lbs, 60 mph: 4.4 sec with Roll Out, 1/4-mile: 12.8 sec 111MPH
"2021 Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 Struggles to Engage Its Pilot. Engine aside, the Q60 Red Sport 400 can't pull off the sports part of sports coupe. The Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 AWD isn't a great sports coupe. The great ones offer more engaging handling, better and more responsive steering, and even a manual gearbox."
OUCH!!
Numbers: 400BHP, Curb weight 3900–4050lbs, 60 mph: 4.4 sec with Roll Out, 1/4-mile: 12.8 sec 111MPH
I think this has more to do with the driving dynamics more than the power. This car is very out dated. not bad numbers. Most cars in this segment are near the same weight.
I think this has more to do with the driving dynamics more than the power. This car is very out dated. not bad numbers. Most cars in this segment are near the same weight.
Disagree. The terminal speed is a product of weight vs horsepower. You can fudge the 0-60 & 1/4 mile time with gearing & engine power curve like the 2020 Corvette C8 does but its very hard to beat the physics of pounds per horsepower.
Recognize that the 382BHP is under rated but would expect the too cars to have similar WHP or at least close enough to make the point about weight & power vs ET & power
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Disagree. The terminal speed is a product of weight vs horsepower. You can fudge the 0-60 & 1/4 mile time with gearing & engine power curve like the 2020 Corvette C8 does but its very hard to beat the physics of pounds per horsepower.
Recognize that the 382BHP is under rated but would expect the too cars to have similar WHP or at least close enough to make the point about weight & power vs ET & power
That’s your opinion but I’ve driven both the Infiniti and the s5 sportback. The Infiniti driving dynamics are terrible IMO, not very engaging or responsive. It’s fulls like a chucky vehicle. Acceleration felt ok but nothing exciting. On the other hand the s5 sportback weight is about the same but feels a lot faster and more responsive. The s5 handles well and is nimble.
That’s your opinion but I’ve driven both the Infiniti and the s5 sportback. The Infiniti driving dynamics are terrible IMO, not very engaging or responsive. It’s fulls like a chucky vehicle. Acceleration felt ok but nothing exciting. On the other hand the s5 sportback weight is about the same but feels a lot faster and more responsive. The s5 handles well and is nimble.
I'm guessing the CVT's lack of "shift shock" creates a perceived "unsportiness."
I'm guessing the CVT's lack of "shift shock" creates a perceived "unsportiness."
Would anyone dare call a Tesla unsporty?
Q50RS actually has a 7-speed automatic.
The biggest complaint I've heard about the Q50 is the steering and the absolute lack of feedback from it. That, price and Nissan/Infiniti's failing reputation are why it was basically a dud. Still, the Q50 overall sold better than the TLX in the last five years. So, that should say a lot about what Acura can expect when it prices the TLX Type-S in the upper $50k range (my speculation at this point).
I've had 3 Nissans in my life but oddly never gravitated to Infiniti. Of a '97 Sentra, '05 Altima, and '06 Murano, my favorite by far was the Altima which had the 3.5SL package.
I couldn't live with the Murano's CVT so I gladly traded that in when the family expanded.
That’s your opinion but I’ve driven both the Infiniti and the s5 sportback. The Infiniti driving dynamics are terrible IMO, not very engaging or responsive. It’s fulls like a chucky vehicle. Acceleration felt ok but nothing exciting. On the other hand the s5 sportback weight is about the same but feels a lot faster and more responsive. The s5 handles well and is nimble.
Lets do it again. On handling my post quoted C&D on handling words were "ENGINE ASIDE" "Engine aside, the Q60 Red Sport 400 can't pull off the sports part of sports coupe."
The engine was taken out of the equation & the handing of the 4000lb car sucked for any number of reasons & weigh is one of them. There is a reason they build race cars as light as they can get away with. How does 4000lbs effect the TLX? C&D's TLX test said LOWS: Back seat isn't very big,heaviness hinders performance, subdued transmission behavior.
So that is one thought on weight.
The second is performance as in the ability to accelerate from a stop, out of a turn, into a merge or to pass. Weight is one of two primary factors that determines the numbers. Put in enough power like 600BHP+ in a 4200LBS BMW M5 & it can run a 2.8 second 0-60 just like a 495BHP Stingray. Lack of power in a heavy car & its sluggish.
What the OUCH was it the 4000 pound RED takes 4.7 street seconds to get to 60 what will a 4026lb 355BHP TLX S Type take. You ran an Audi & liked it. Its a good car but this is how it stacks up vs the other two German cars
BMW M340 last listed in a C&D test was 3813LBS @ 115 MPH (382AHP) - MB 4150LBS 111MPH (385AHP) - Audi S5 3942LBS 107MPH (354AHP) As the weight goes up the terminal speed goes down. Hard to get an apples to apples match because its known that the German sand bag their power numbers. That said these 3 cars are in the same arena. What this spread actually looks like is a bit more dramatic than just reading the spread in the numbers.
Pure Drag Race of the three cars talked about Followed up by a Roll Race
Big news from what is likely the TLX Type S' most direct competition. The much-rumored Lexus IS500 F-sport (if that is what it will be called) will debut in about 3 hours (at 11am ET), live stream link and teasers below.
I'm thinking it'll have the 3.5TT (416hp/442 lb-ft tq) from the LS500, but it might even get the 5.0 V8 (472hp/395 lb-ft tq) from the RC F.
Live stream...
Lets do it again. On handling my post quoted C&D on handling words were "ENGINE ASIDE" "Engine aside, the Q60 Red Sport 400 can't pull off the sports part of sports coupe."
The engine was taken out of the equation & the handing of the 4000lb car sucked for any number of reasons & weigh is one of them. There is a reason they build race cars as light as they can get away with. How does 4000lbs effect the TLX? C&D's TLX test said LOWS: Back seat isn't very big,heaviness hinders performance, subdued transmission behavior.
So that is one thought on weight.
The second is performance as in the ability to accelerate from a stop, out of a turn, into a merge or to pass. Weight is one of two primary factors that determines the numbers. Put in enough power like 600BHP+ in a 4200LBS BMW M5 & it can run a 2.8 second 0-60 just like a 495BHP Stingray. Lack of power in a heavy car & its sluggish.
What the OUCH was it the 4000 pound RED takes 4.7 street seconds to get to 60 what will a 4026lb 355BHP TLX S Type take. You ran an Audi & liked it. Its a good car but this is how it stacks up vs the other two German cars
BMW M340 last listed in a C&D test was 3813LBS @ 115 MPH (382AHP) - MB 4150LBS 111MPH (385AHP) - Audi S5 3942LBS 107MPH (354AHP) As the weight goes up the terminal speed goes down. Hard to get an apples to apples match because its known that the German sand bag their power numbers. That said these 3 cars are in the same arena. What this spread actually looks like is a bit more dramatic than just reading the spread in the numbers.
Pure Drag Race of the three cars talked about Followed up by a Roll Race
Big news from what is likely the TLX Type S' most direct competition. The much-rumored Lexus IS500 F-sport (if that is what it will be called) will debut in about 3 hours (at 11am ET), live stream link and teasers below.
I'm thinking it'll have the 3.5TT (416hp/442 lb-ft tq) from the LS500, but it might even get the 5.0 V8 (472hp/395 lb-ft tq) from the RC F.
Live stream... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlzDdyR1js
Teasers (with reference to the IS300's C-pillar)...
The 3.5L TT won't fit in this engine bay bro, I believe it will be the V8!
The Type-S has been in development for who knows how long by now, and of course Lexus breaks Acura's mojo by releasing info earlier. Just like Ford on NSX release day. That's what happens when Acura teases, delays, promotes like crazy, and finally releases breadcrumbs.
Sounds like it’s the RCF mechanicals packaged into the “new” IS and positioned against the M340i/C43/S4 instead of the proper M/AMG/RS cars the previous full-fat F cars competed against.
If they can price it like an M340i, I’ll take the NA V8 over a turbo-6. Sure the BMW is likely faster, but the smoothness and sound of the V8 matters more to me, and I know it’ll be more enjoyable as a daily driver. If I wanted to set lap records, I’d rather spring for the M3 instead of the M340i anyways.
So there you have it, the "IS500 F-sport Performance" with the 5.0L V8 (472hp/395 lb-ft tq) from the RC F.
I only wished it was AWD instead of RWD-only, and that they simply called it the "IS-F". Otherwise, well done Lexus!
So there you have it, the "IS500 F-sport Performance" with the 5.0L V8 (472hp/395 lb-ft tq) from the RC F.
I only wished it was AWD instead of RWD-only, and that they simply called it the "IS-F". Otherwise, well done Lexus!
If they called it the IS-F, people will bitch and moan about how it’s slower than the M3, RS5, and C63
That IS500 will for sure grab some people from Acura's potential Type-S sells. If the prices are similar, would also pull the trigger due to the wonderful V8 sound. Too bad car is still on the small side.
That IS500 will for sure grab some people from Acura's potential Type-S sells. If the prices are similar, would also pull the trigger due to the wonderful V8 sound. Too bad car is still on the small side.
I'd imagine the IS500 will MSRP in the low-to-mid $60k USD range. If that were to happen, Acura better not price the Type S anywhere above $56k or else they're shooting themselves in the foot.
So far, the reaction on ClubLexus, reddit, and C&D has been overwhelmingly positive. Assuming Lexus prices this competitively (around $60K), I really hope people put their money where their mouths and buy one of these.
V8 VS I6. The I6 will always be smoother as its naturally balanced. The standard V8 cross plane has various degrees of smoothness based on the angle of the "V". The most common automobile V angle is 90*. The exception to the rule is the flat plane 180* V8 used in Ferrari & FORD Shelby GT-350 is naturally smooth. The only other naturally balanced automobile engine is the V12 which is basically two I6 engines.
The I6, V8FP & V12 can freely rev much higher than the normal V8. On the V8 FP VS CP my COYOTE 5.0L DOHC N/A 32 valve 90* V8 is a cross plane & is red lined at 7500RPM. Its stablemate the VOODOO 5.2L DOHC N/A 32 valve 180* V8 is a flat plane redlined at 8250. The Coyote is offered in Mustangs at 480BHP while the Voodoo is in the GT-350 with 526BHP
Interesting foot note. MB is moving back to the I6 layout in its new models replacing the V6 & Mazda/Toyota have a joint venture I6 that will be used in both brands.
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V8 VS I6. The I6 will always be smoother as its naturally balanced. The standard V8 cross plane has various degrees of smoothness based on the angle of the "V". The most common automobile V angle is 90*. The exception to the rule is the flat plane 180* V8 used in Ferrari & FORD Shelby GT-350 is naturally smooth. The only other naturally balanced automobile engine is the V12 which is basically two I6 engines.
The I6, V8FP & V12 can freely rev much higher than the normal V8. On the V8 FP VS CP my COYOTE 5.0L DOHC N/A 32 valve 90* V8 is a cross plane & is red lined at 7500RPM. Its stablemate the VOODOO 5.2L DOHC N/A 32 valve 180* V8 is a flat plane redlined at 8250. The Coyote is offered in Mustangs at 480BHP while the Voodoo is in the GT-350 with 526BHP
Interesting foot note. MB is moving back to the I6 layout in its new models replacing the V6 & Mazda/Toyota have a joint venture I6 that will be used in both brands.
2022 Lexus IS500 F Sport Performance.V-8 with adaptive suspension and 472 hp from the venerable 5.0-liter V-8. Lexus claims a 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds, 0.3 seconds slower than the RC F. Weighs in at 3891 lbs
Lexus confirms that the IS500 F Sport Performance is intended to compete with cars like the BMW M340i, Mercedes-AMG C43, and Audi S4. But it's got about 100 more horsepower than any of those cars,
Performance & comfort driving modes to configure the variable-ratio steering, adaptive suspension, throttle maps, and transmission behavior. You also get a real limited-slip differential.
Price ??
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Hard to say because of induction types. My I6 gets an actual 31/32 MPG at 78/79MPH over distance consistently on the robot. I would think most people looking at the cars these engines are in might not have MPG as a high priority vs performance. Have a 13.7 gallon tank & car go to the beach & back about 375miles at 85MPH most of the way on one tank with some drive around gas at both ends pushes the average speed down to the high 70's
Common sense says fill up at both ends. Came home yesterday, Sunday morning zero traffic, with a fill at the start & have a bit over 1/2 tank left. Ave speed was 83MPH. Unusually high because of super light traffic at both towns where you usually get bogged down as far as average speed.
Better feel for it when Acura publishes the TLX Type S numbers. That said the three German cars in the class + the Z4 run EPA numbers of Audi 3.0L 349BHP V6 23/20/28. Mercedes-Benz AMG C43 3.0L V6 21/18/27, BMW M340i 3.0L 362BHP I6 25/22/30, BMW Z4 M40i 3.0L 362BHP I6 27/24/32
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Wild guess 17-18 MPG Local and 25-27 MPG Highway for the IS 500 F Sport
Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
2022 Lexus IS500 F Sport Performance.V-8 with adaptive suspension and 472 hp from the venerable 5.0-liter V-8. Lexus claims a 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds, 0.3 seconds slower than the RC F. Weighs in at 3891 lbs
Lexus confirms that the IS500 F Sport Performance is intended to compete with cars like the BMW M340i, Mercedes-AMG C43, and Audi S4. But it's got about 100 more horsepower than any of those cars,
Performance & comfort driving modes to configure the variable-ratio steering, adaptive suspension, throttle maps, and transmission behavior. You also get a real limited-slip differential.
Price ??
Wild guess, starting around mid 50's
Big props to Lexus for releasing information most wanted for a performance sedan. Engine (Check), power figures (Check), 0-60 times (Check) and additional information (Check).
V8 VS I6. The I6 will always be smoother as its naturally balanced. The standard V8 cross plane has various degrees of smoothness based on the angle of the "V". The most common automobile V angle is 90*. The exception to the rule is the flat plane 180* V8 used in Ferrari & FORD Shelby GT-350 is naturally smooth. The only other naturally balanced automobile engine is the V12 which is basically two I6 engines.
The I6, V8FP & V12 can freely rev much higher than the normal V8. On the V8 FP VS CP my COYOTE 5.0L DOHC N/A 32 valve 90* V8 is a cross plane & is red lined at 7500RPM. Its stablemate the VOODOO 5.2L DOHC N/A 32 valve 180* V8 is a flat plane redlined at 8250. The Coyote is offered in Mustangs at 480BHP while the Voodoo is in the GT-350 with 526BHP
Interesting foot note. MB is moving back to the I6 layout in its new models replacing the V6 & Mazda/Toyota have a joint venture I6 that will be used in both brands.
FWIW, a 180o flat plane crank is not naturally smooth. There are many 2nd and 3rd imbalances that make them vibrate more than a 90o cross plane crank, however due to less counterweight mass they also rev higher and much less rotational inertia (hence why most racing engines use them but most production car V8's are crossplane). And this is crank pin angles vs. cylinder bank angles which also has effect on engine smoothness.
With each crankpin journal (the bits the connecting rods attach to) at 180 degree intervals, the flat plane crank tends to be higher revving than it’s cross plane counter part. That’s because the pistons are firing evenly between their banks (L,R,L,R,L,R,L,R, etc.) while a cross plane fires unevenly (L,L,R,L,R,R,L,R,L,L,R,). Because of this, flat plane cranks tend to be less balanced than their cross plane counterparts, but being more responsive because less weight is needed to carry counterweights to balance out vibrations from the engine.
Advantages: Lighter, tends to be more rev happy, easier packaging
Disadvantages: Not as torquey, less smooth than a cross plane setup
2022 Lexus IS500 F Sport Performance.V-8 with adaptive suspension and 472 hp from the venerable 5.0-liter V-8. Lexus claims a 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds, 0.3 seconds slower than the RC F. Weighs in at 3891 lbs
Lexus confirms that the IS500 F Sport Performance is intended to compete with cars like the BMW M340i, Mercedes-AMG C43, and Audi S4. But it's got about 100 more horsepower than any of those cars,
Performance & comfort driving modes to configure the variable-ratio steering, adaptive suspension, throttle maps, and transmission behavior. You also get a real limited-slip differential.
Price ??
C&D was actually able to get the RC-F to 60 in 4.1s with a curb weight of slightly over 4,000lbs. I'm sure tires play a role, but I'm also thinking Lexus is underrating the time as to not step on full blown F cars' toes. Plus, you get a dead reliable, great sounding V8. Meanwhile, Acura is having issues with their 4-poppers going into limp mode. Who knows how their FI V6 is going to fare.
God, I really hope Lexus prices this right under $60k.
God, I really hope Lexus prices this right under $60k.
Well done Lexus but honestly, it will be higher than $60K. I noticed one thing, Lexus doesn't price their cars to get customers based on value. I mean if you look at all their sports models, prices are pretty high. Again, hope i am wrong and they price the car lower than the Germans. one f the reasons the GS F wasn't successful. i had that car for a week and let me tell you it's beautiful. But too bad. Lexus wasn't able to sell it at that price point.
God, I really hope Lexus prices this right under $60k.
I think $60K is going to be hard when a base IS350 F-Sport with the Dynamic Handling Package is already almost $50K. From a power perspective, this slots in somewhere between the mid-trim and high-performance versions of the competition, even though performance wise it's closer to the mid-trim versions, making it a bit of a tweener. I'm thinking price-wise it'll slot in somewhere in the middle (i.e. between 55K for a base M340i and 70k for a base M3), so probably closer to $65K.
I think $60K is going to be hard when a base IS350 F-Sport with the Dynamic Handling Package is already almost $50K. From a power perspective, this slots in somewhere between the mid-trim and high-performance versions of the competition, even though performance wise it's closer to the mid-trim versions, making it a bit of a tweener. I'm thinking price-wise it'll slot in somewhere in the middle (i.e. between 55K for a base M340i and 70k for a base M3), so probably closer to $65K.
Agreed, an IS350 F-sport (series 3 package) MSRP's for about $55k, I'd be shocked if the the IS500 F-sport Performance would be under $60k. With that said, Acura would be crazy to price the TLX Type S anywhere above $56k.
By calling this an IS500 vs ISF they can price it lower. They may eventually have something to compete with M and AMG cars but they can’t price this car like they did the GS and RC F. This is brilliant and they just gave a body blow to Acura. Wow I’ve been asking for this car for years.
By calling this an IS500 vs ISF they can price it lower. They may eventually have something to compete with M and AMG cars but they can’t price this car like they did the GS and RC F. This is brilliant and they just gave a body blow to Acura. Wow I’ve been asking for this car for years.
Taking this one step further, I wonder if the "Performance" at the end of "IS500 F-Sport Performance" (a mouthful) could foreshadow a cheaper, detuned version without the "Performance" part of the name, much like BMW had the M3 and M3 Competition and Mercedes has AMG and AMG S variants.
I am so happy Lexus came up with this model. Amazing HP and I am sure it will be priced cheaper than the Germans. Now all the potential TYPE S buyers will simply go and get an IS. Finally...wow God listened to us! Hope there is less noise here now and we don't get every topic converted to an Audi or BMW discussion. And all the "enthusiasts" join Lexus forum and discuss the amazing IS! I have never been this happy since I own an Acura...but i am happy that finally Lexus came up with a crazy HP!
I am so happy Lexus came up with this model. Amazing HP and I am sure it will be priced cheaper than the Germans. Now all the potential TYPE S buyers will simply go and get an IS. Finally...wow God listened to us! Hope there is less noise here now and we don't get every topic converted to an Audi or BMW discussion. And all the "enthusiasts" join Lexus forum and discuss the amazing IS! I have never been this happy since I own an Acura...but i am happy that finally Lexus came up with a crazy HP!
Plenty of folks here who have already moved on from Acura are still here, even in this very thread. What makes you think they'll all magically go away even if they buy a Lexus? If the only people in the TLX threads were people who actually own the car, they'll be about 4 people total. Can't have much of a circle-jerk with just 4 people .
I now have my 2021 TLX Tech for week today and I am not sorry at all in getting this car. To me it's the best Acura/Honda I ever own and I had about 10 of the
brand during the past 20 years. People just need to take this car out and test it and should see what a really good car this is.
I know, some will say no, over price Honda but its not. I guess its each his own and as long as I'm happy I don't care what others say!
Well done Lexus but honestly, it will be higher than $60K. I noticed one thing, Lexus doesn't price their cars to get customers based on value. I mean if you look at all their sports models, prices are pretty high. Again, hope i am wrong and they price the car lower than the Germans. one f the reasons the GS F wasn't successful. i had that car for a week and let me tell you it's beautiful. But too bad. Lexus wasn't able to sell it at that price point.
Agreed on all points, but their F cars have basically all been sales failures .... one of the biggest reasons being their absurd pricing. And to be fair, they did try to price in the ballpark of the Germans, but they were always punching below the belt as far as performance. IS-F was price similarly to the M3 of its era. GS-F wasn't an M3 fighter ... it was looking to give a "bargain" M5 experience, which started in the low-$90k range, but unfortunately for Lexus, it couldn't even compete with the performance of the M3 at the time, let alone the mighty M5. So, its value proposition went out the window.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
I think $60K is going to be hard when a base IS350 F-Sport with the Dynamic Handling Package is already almost $50K. From a power perspective, this slots in somewhere between the mid-trim and high-performance versions of the competition, even though performance wise it's closer to the mid-trim versions, making it a bit of a tweener. I'm thinking price-wise it'll slot in somewhere in the middle (i.e. between 55K for a base M340i and 70k for a base M3), so probably closer to $65K.
I agree it's far-fetched, but a girl can dream, lol. Though, it's still a pretty big leap from $50k to $60k for what the IS500 offers. It really just seems like the IS350 F-Sport with DHP, along with a new hood, rear fascia, new exhaust and an already developed V8 with no tweaks or changes. Realistically, yea, it'll probably be in the low-mid $60k range, but it'd be pretty awesome if it started at just under $60k ... which would just be $59.9k anywho. As I stated before, I honestly don't see this contending with the Type-S, despite everyone making the comparison since they're both Japanese automakers. I think its closest rival as far as overall specs is the CT4-V Blackwing.
Only time will tell. Another ray of hope I have is that the full blown RC-F is priced at $66k to start and they move about 1 of those a month nationwide, lol (completely made-up statistic). Of course, that's a 2dr vs 4dr, which generally don't sell as well, but the rear seats in the IS are basically as worthless as a coupes anyways. It's just nicer to have the rear doors in case you need to put stuff in the rear seat area rather than the trunk.
C&D was actually able to get the RC-F to 60 in 4.1s with a curb weight of slightly over 4,000lbs. I'm sure tires play a role, but I'm also thinking Lexus is underrating the time as to not step on full blown F cars' toes. Plus, you get a dead reliable, great sounding V8. Meanwhile, Acura is having issues with their 4-poppers going into limp mode. Who knows how their FI V6 is going to fare.
God, I really hope Lexus prices this right under $60k.
That would be 4.4 in normal street numbers as an absolute best. C&D has a .3 pad for rollout. Could also be longer than 4.4 on the street because C&D uses a prepared surface to mimic a Drag Strip.
Here is what most people will be saying if the get the TLX Type S.
I think pricing for the IS500 F Sport will be high 60's. This might be my next car.
With tuning available on modern FI vehicles, the TLX-S will likely surpass the performance of the IS500 F-Sport pretty easily with a tune and some bolt-ons. But, with mods come potential headaches ... and we have no idea what the limits of the 10sp AT or the rest of the drivetrain is. My guess is it'll be close to its limits from the factory. The previous gen IS-F has proven to be very reliable, but you're not squeezing much more out of that NA V8 unless you go FI as well.
So, it's a matter of "pick your poison."
Heck, during their Horsepower Deals, you could pick up a Hellcat for mid-$60k that'll stomp both of these. But, then you realize Mopars are doo-doo ... =P
ATS-V (which is basically the same powerplant as the CT-4V Blackwing) is able to do 530rwHP with a conservative tune and bolt-ons on pump gas.
02-20-2021, 05:42 PM
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