2021 Acura TLX vs The Competition
05-05-2021, 11:31 PM
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I think we are talking about the RCF from the video posted which is more than 65k. The Type S will do 0-60 within 4.4 to 4.5 and won’t cost 65k, low 50s. I said the standard TLX can be faster on my review. I don’t know how the type s will be, I should find out soon, but my initial thoughts are, it will be quick. I am looking forward to drag race it and review it. If it’s slow, I will admit it as I usually do. Lexus rc f track edition is 120k canadian which makes it a terrible choice over a GTR.
I ask again, when you say it's "slow as fck" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean to say it's "slow as fck for a six-figure car?" If so, how is that relavant to my claim that the Type S won't smoke a regular RC-F at the track or dragstrip?
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05-05-2021, 11:34 PM
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i might make this drag, you pushed my buttons now..not in a bad way.
05-05-2021, 11:41 PM
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05-05-2021, 11:44 PM
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I didn’t say it’s fast as a mustang but we were shocked at the initial launch of the K5 GT, haven’t posted the video yet. We all expected the stang to just smoke the fwd 290 bhp dct K5 but the K5 GT had a better launch, at mid section things changed. Sometimes what they say on paper doesn’t translate in real life tests, like fuel economy.
05-05-2021, 11:49 PM
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I didn’t say it’s fast as a mustang but we were shocked at the initial launch of the K5 GT, haven’t posted the video yet. We all expected the stang to just smoke the fwd 290 bhp dct K5 but the K5 GT had a better launch, at mid section things changed. Sometimes what they say on paper doesn’t translate in real life tests, like fuel economy.
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05-06-2021, 07:20 AM
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So on the press day, Acura allowed journalists to film head-to-head drag races with the Audi S4, with an embargo release 4 days before the sale date?
That's a ballsy move Acura!
That's a ballsy move Acura!
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05-06-2021, 11:23 AM
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Well, the sheet says S4 is 349 German's horsepower @6200rpm and the Type-S is 355hp @ lower rpm. Who knows, Acura took notes from the Germans and their horsepower. So basically the two cars on the same level, with Acura already tested before letting the journalists test them out.
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05-06-2021, 07:08 PM
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The fact that they let journalists drag against the S4 proves that Type S is faster. With that, it's not that far off from 340 which is a damn fast car. May 20th will be an interesting day. The real question is will they hit the dealerships at the end of May???
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05-06-2021, 10:11 PM
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Audi S4 ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph AWD
BMW M340 ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 116 mph RWD
C&D AWD estimate using BMW's .3 quicker to 60mph than the RWD claim. ¼-mile: 11.9 sec*
The M340 is about .5 faster in the 1/4 than the S4. Its also traveling 8mph faster when it crosses the line. If my math in OK that should mean when the S4 finishes the M340 is about 85ft ahead and pulling away. If the Type-S can split the difference it would have a shot at a win on the starting line. A quicker reaction time could cover the spread. If it a close winner against the Audi it will get good marks from casual enthusiasts not so much from knowledgeable ones who know how bad the Audi runs.
No chance against the xDrive M340 which would lead the Audi by over 160ft at the finish using 118MPH.
*C&D
"We'll have to go by BMW's claim that the all-wheel drive shaves 0.3 second from the rear-wheel drive's sprint to 60 mph. Our test of the rear-drive M340i resulted in a 3.8-second run to 60 mph, so if BMW's word holds true, a 3.5-second zero-to-60 time awaits."
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05-08-2021, 12:09 PM
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If my math is right it all depends on what not that far off covers. First thing is the M340 in the test was a RWD unit. The AWD cars M340 xDrive are quicker due to improved traction.
Audi S4 ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph AWD
BMW M340 ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 116 mph RWD
C&D AWD estimate using BMW's .3 quicker to 60mph than the RWD claim. ¼-mile: 11.9 sec*
The M340 is about .5 faster in the 1/4 than the S4. Its also traveling 8mph faster when it crosses the line. If my math in OK that should mean when the S4 finishes the M340 is about 85ft ahead and pulling away. If the Type-S can split the difference it would have a shot at a win on the starting line. A quicker reaction time could cover the spread. If it a close winner against the Audi it will get good marks from casual enthusiasts not so much from knowledgeable ones who know how bad the Audi runs.
No chance against the xDrive M340 which would lead the Audi by over 160ft at the finish using 118MPH.
*C&D
"We'll have to go by BMW's claim that the all-wheel drive shaves 0.3 second from the rear-wheel drive's sprint to 60 mph. Our test of the rear-drive M340i resulted in a 3.8-second run to 60 mph, so if BMW's word holds true, a 3.5-second zero-to-60 time awaits."
Audi S4 ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph AWD
BMW M340 ¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 116 mph RWD
C&D AWD estimate using BMW's .3 quicker to 60mph than the RWD claim. ¼-mile: 11.9 sec*
The M340 is about .5 faster in the 1/4 than the S4. Its also traveling 8mph faster when it crosses the line. If my math in OK that should mean when the S4 finishes the M340 is about 85ft ahead and pulling away. If the Type-S can split the difference it would have a shot at a win on the starting line. A quicker reaction time could cover the spread. If it a close winner against the Audi it will get good marks from casual enthusiasts not so much from knowledgeable ones who know how bad the Audi runs.
No chance against the xDrive M340 which would lead the Audi by over 160ft at the finish using 118MPH.
*C&D
"We'll have to go by BMW's claim that the all-wheel drive shaves 0.3 second from the rear-wheel drive's sprint to 60 mph. Our test of the rear-drive M340i resulted in a 3.8-second run to 60 mph, so if BMW's word holds true, a 3.5-second zero-to-60 time awaits."
05-08-2021, 05:03 PM
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Yeah the LSD in the M340 puts the power down and I have no wheel spin. I have the RWD version and the car just goes like an AWD car off the line, It also came with the Michelin PS4's which are amazing for grip and handling. My friend has a Dragy and the best I could do is 4 seconds flat 0-60 I'm sure in Ideal conditions I can get that lower. Does the Type S have an LSD?
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05-10-2021, 10:54 AM
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I doubt the Type S will be faster than an S4 in any meaningful way (or even faster at all). It’s more likely Acura will pitch it as “get similar performance for a lower price”.
05-11-2021, 11:44 AM
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They did this before. When the 4G was released they did the presser at the Honda test track. They put up cones to make it a very tight course to showcase the SHAWD system. Believe the goal was to negate the quickness of the other cars so the 4G could finish with them. Make a course tight enough & a Miata can beat a Ferrari.
Did not really look at most of the California Type-S vids as the were pretty repetitive with guys walking around the car doing a standup commentary. IIRC someone said on the track runs they were paced & no one got to make an all out run. So that left the drag race & roll race? that the Audi model tested by Acura lost to both the MB & BMW at Throttle House.
The Audi model that they tested is not a very strong car. Has a good launch with the AWD system then quickly dies with a lack of power. No opinion on how it would do on the road course but the TH roll race suggests it will have no real acceleration out of the corners. Could explain why they picked Laguna Seca for the demo as opposed to say the C&D Lightning Laps track at Virginia International Raceway.
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05-12-2021, 11:59 AM
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Saw the vid & the comments section.
YouTube comments.
This you Nexx?
It all goes back to rated horsepower by itself does not mean squat without the cars weight, real life performance & how the power is applied. The numbers say the TLX has more power but it shows up to late for the type of driving the tester was doing. To 60 they are very close while in the 1/4 mile the TLX's additional horsepower shows up. There are also things like turning & stopping for those who do not live their life a 1/4 mile at a time. The G70 holds its line in a turn better, stops in a much shorter distance, has better fuel economy & FWIW is rated 14MPH faster. The G70 is not the only 2.0T car with less horsepower that will out perform the TLX in a pure street environment.
Think the guy makes a reasonable point. The three cars tested are all in the same price range. What he did not say is the one with the ugly grill has a logo that he picked as number 1 carries a lot more Luxury cred than the TLX does. Maybe the PR department should be hammering these cars instead of the ones it really does not compete head to head with.
C/D TEST RESULTS:G70
60 mph: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.8 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
Combined/city/highway: 25/22/30 mpg
Observed: 26 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
C/D TEST RESULTS TLX
60 mph: 5.9 sec
1/4 mile: 14.5 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 177 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 362 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Combined/city/highway: 24/21/29 mpg
No listing for Observed: ?? mpg
75-mph highway driving: ?? mpg
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so the TLX 2.0T feels ordinary like its out of a Accord but the 2.0T in the G70 with less power is a great drive train? Isnt it pretty much same as the the 2.0T Sonata?
It all goes back to rated horsepower by itself does not mean squat without the cars weight, real life performance & how the power is applied. The numbers say the TLX has more power but it shows up to late for the type of driving the tester was doing. To 60 they are very close while in the 1/4 mile the TLX's additional horsepower shows up. There are also things like turning & stopping for those who do not live their life a 1/4 mile at a time. The G70 holds its line in a turn better, stops in a much shorter distance, has better fuel economy & FWIW is rated 14MPH faster. The G70 is not the only 2.0T car with less horsepower that will out perform the TLX in a pure street environment.
Think the guy makes a reasonable point. The three cars tested are all in the same price range. What he did not say is the one with the ugly grill has a logo that he picked as number 1 carries a lot more Luxury cred than the TLX does. Maybe the PR department should be hammering these cars instead of the ones it really does not compete head to head with.
C/D TEST RESULTS:G70
60 mph: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.8 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
Combined/city/highway: 25/22/30 mpg
Observed: 26 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
C/D TEST RESULTS TLX
60 mph: 5.9 sec
1/4 mile: 14.5 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 177 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 362 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Combined/city/highway: 24/21/29 mpg
No listing for Observed: ?? mpg
75-mph highway driving: ?? mpg
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05-12-2021, 02:33 PM
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05-12-2021, 02:48 PM
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Saw the vid & the comments section.
YouTube comments.
YouTube comments.
This you Nexx?
It all goes back to rated horsepower by itself does not mean squat without the cars weight, real life performance & how the power is applied. The numbers say the TLX has more power but it shows up to late for the type of driving the tester was doing. To 60 they are very close while in the 1/4 mile the TLX's additional horsepower shows up. There are also things like turning & stopping for those who do not live their life a 1/4 mile at a time. The G70 holds its line in a turn better, stops in a much shorter distance, has better fuel economy & FWIW is rated 14MPH faster. The G70 is not the only 2.0T car with less horsepower that will out perform the TLX in a pure street environment.
Think the guy makes a reasonable point. The three cars tested are all in the same price range. What he did not say is the one with the ugly grill has a logo that he picked as number 1 carries a lot more Luxury cred than the TLX does. Maybe the PR department should be hammering these cars instead of the ones it really does not compete head to head with.
C/D TEST RESULTS:G70
60 mph: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.8 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
Combined/city/highway: 25/22/30 mpg
Observed: 26 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
C/D TEST RESULTS TLX
60 mph: 5.9 sec
1/4 mile: 14.5 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 177 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 362 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
Combined/city/highway: 24/21/29 mpg
No listing for Observed: ?? mpg
75-mph highway driving: ?? mpg
Once here you go again with your agenda, over analyzing everything. His comment was about the engine. Not the suspension. Not the handling performance. Why wouldnt he expect G70 the same out of G70 vs the Sonata give the price point differences? That all I was pointing out.
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05-12-2021, 07:47 PM
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Once here you go again with your agenda, over analyzing everything. His comment was about the engine. Not the suspension. Not the handling performance. Why wouldnt he expect G70 the same out of G70 vs the Sonata give the price point differences? That all I was pointing out.
You brought up power & drive train. I responded about power & drive train nothing more nothing less
Reads like you are totally unaware what a drive train is or are just throwing words around for effect.Just some help with a standard definition:
A drivetrain is not really a single part of your car - it's a group of drivetrain parts that interact with the engine to move the wheels and various parts of the vehicle to thrust it into motion. These parts often include the transmission, differential, driveshaft, axles, CV joints, and the wheels.
Since the suspension holds the wheels onto the car you need to consider it to insure its strong enough to manage power bring directed to the wheels & enable the driver maintain control of the car.
Do you know the commonality of the Honda to TLX parts VS the Sonata to G70 parts?
You also seem to have made a point that because the TLX has more power the G70 is unworthy of having a quality drive train. Agree if you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time the TLX can get a slight win but in all the areas the G70 shows up quite well.
BTW its my understanding that the G70 is based on Stinger Parts. Are Stinger parts the same as Sonata's?
Personally been posting for a lot of years forget the raw BHP number & see how the entire package works together.
How do you feel about in the C&D raw scores in which the only one that the TLX beats the G70 is in the 1/4 mile for which it pays a penalty in MPG. Unfair for him to like it better?
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05-12-2021, 07:54 PM
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Not surprised he picked it even though its got the Predator face. Its Lexus, does not cost a whole bunch, gets good gas mileage & its a Lexus.
05-13-2021, 03:31 PM
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Dealer gave me a 2021 TLX A-spec loaner this morning when my 2019 RDX was in service. I am impressed with this version (I have driven a 2019 TLX loaner before and it was a meh).
The seat is nice and the ride was quiet and comfortable. Engine is responsive in Sport mode, all I can say is that I like it a lot.
The seat is nice and the ride was quiet and comfortable. Engine is responsive in Sport mode, all I can say is that I like it a lot.
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05-14-2021, 03:57 PM
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Dealer gave me a 2021 TLX A-spec loaner this morning when my 2019 RDX was in service. I am impressed with this version (I have driven a 2019 TLX loaner before and it was a meh).
The seat is nice and the ride was quiet and comfortable. Engine is responsive in Sport mode, all I can say is that I like it a lot.
The seat is nice and the ride was quiet and comfortable. Engine is responsive in Sport mode, all I can say is that I like it a lot.
Your impression of the vehicle is the type of buyer that Acura is targeting and you sum it up quite nicely. Going to take a guess that you'll probably enjoy the Type-S despite its "shortcomings". Acura knows they don't really stand a chance against the Europeans when it comes perception and mindshare. Hate it or love it, Acura is focusing on a segment (whatever precision crafted performance means) they think they have the best chance at succeeding. Hell, Acura isn't really going toe-to-toe with relatively newcomer, Genesis, either. Even Lexus will have their work cut out for them with the way Genesis is moving. Maybe it'll be a Korean company that will go head-to-head with the Germans, and not the Japanese. We can squabble all we want about the Type-S not being on par with the Euro competition, but I have serious doubts that Acura even cares about what a tiny vocal minority on the Internet thinks. Acura will do Acura things, and us enthusiasts either have to embrace it, or we move on like a number of folks on this forum have done.
05-14-2021, 11:30 PM
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I haven't been on this forum in a while and I see things haven't really changed much. Good ol' squabbling as usual.
Your impression of the vehicle is the type of buyer that Acura is targeting and you sum it up quite nicely. Going to take a guess that you'll probably enjoy the Type-S despite its "shortcomings". Acura knows they don't really stand a chance against the Europeans when it comes perception and mindshare. Hate it or love it, Acura is focusing on a segment (whatever precision crafted performance means) they think they have the best chance at succeeding. Hell, Acura isn't really going toe-to-toe with relatively newcomer, Genesis, either. Even Lexus will have their work cut out for them with the way Genesis is moving. Maybe it'll be a Korean company that will go head-to-head with the Germans, and not the Japanese. We can squabble all we want about the Type-S not being on par with the Euro competition, but I have serious doubts that Acura even cares about what a tiny vocal minority on the Internet thinks. Acura will do Acura things, and us enthusiasts either have to embrace it, or we move on like a number of folks on this forum have done.
Your impression of the vehicle is the type of buyer that Acura is targeting and you sum it up quite nicely. Going to take a guess that you'll probably enjoy the Type-S despite its "shortcomings". Acura knows they don't really stand a chance against the Europeans when it comes perception and mindshare. Hate it or love it, Acura is focusing on a segment (whatever precision crafted performance means) they think they have the best chance at succeeding. Hell, Acura isn't really going toe-to-toe with relatively newcomer, Genesis, either. Even Lexus will have their work cut out for them with the way Genesis is moving. Maybe it'll be a Korean company that will go head-to-head with the Germans, and not the Japanese. We can squabble all we want about the Type-S not being on par with the Euro competition, but I have serious doubts that Acura even cares about what a tiny vocal minority on the Internet thinks. Acura will do Acura things, and us enthusiasts either have to embrace it, or we move on like a number of folks on this forum have done.
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05-15-2021, 12:37 AM
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I'm sorry, but I have no idea what your post has to do with the post you quoted. Are you ridiculing subin because he said he was impressed with the TLX he drove? I'm having trouble understanding why you would take a positive and twist it into as negative to support your point of view. My apologies if I somehow misinterpreted what you were trying to convey.
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05-15-2021, 07:42 AM
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Sorry for the confusion. My first sentence was just my general sentiment of the state of the forum. Basically nothing has really changed with the back and forth between certain posters on this forum as I haven't been active on the forum for months. And I meant no insult toward subin. Just an observation that he or she is the kind of customer that Acura is aiming for. I'm actually quite interested in the Type-S myself. But with the state of the world in flux (i.e. pandemic, inflation of the American economy, semi conductor shortages, etc.), I decided to buy out my 2016 TLX lease last year and will for things to settle down before making a decision on my next vehicle.
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05-15-2021, 09:17 AM
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I read ZipSpeed's post and I don't think the was being demeaning in any way. In fact, he was actually complimenting subin on the way he summed up his opinion of the 2G TLX. I agreed with his assessment. I'm among the few here who actually like the 2G TLX. I recognize its shortcomings but overall I find much more positive about it than negative. And I am greatly interested in the Type S.
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05-15-2021, 09:33 AM
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We can squabble all we want about the Type-S not being on par with the Euro competition, but I have serious doubts that Acura even cares about what a tiny vocal minority on the Internet thinks. Acura will do Acura things, and us enthusiasts either have to embrace it, or we move on like a number of folks on this forum have done.
I read ZipSpeed's post and I don't think the was being demeaning in any way. In fact, he was actually complimenting subin on the way he summed up his opinion of the 2G TLX. I agreed with his assessment. I'm among the few here who actually like the 2G TLX. I recognize its shortcomings but overall I find much more positive about it than negative. And I am greatly interested in the Type S.
05-15-2021, 10:07 AM
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The “serious doubts” of Acura not changing is just an observation of a select few posters on here that want Acura vehicles to be more European but isn’t and have since moved on to other vehicles. My comments was never intended to be a dig at anyone and if it came across that way, I apologize. I’ll shut up now and will go back to stalking the forum.
05-16-2021, 01:12 PM
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The “serious doubts” of Acura not changing is just an observation of a select few posters on here that want Acura vehicles to be more European but isn’t and have since moved on to other vehicles. My comments was never intended to be a dig at anyone and if it came across that way, I apologize. I’ll shut up now and will go back to stalking the forum.
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The new TLX is very wide and low compared to the competition. A black A-SPEC was right behind me, at the first glance I did not even recognize it. I thought it's an Audi A6 or 7. When it got closer, I saw the light and logo. Definitely, A4, 330 or C300 look way narrower and smaller than the TLX. No kidding, it's a heavy vehicle.
05-19-2021, 08:15 AM
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The new TLX is very wide and low compared to the competition. A black A-SPEC was right behind me, at the first glance I did not even recognize it. I thought it's an Audi A6 or 7. When it got closer, I saw the light and logo. Definitely, A4, 330 or C300 look way narrower and smaller than the TLX. No kidding, it's a heavy vehicle.
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05-19-2021, 09:12 AM
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The new TLX is very wide and low compared to the competition. A black A-SPEC was right behind me, at the first glance I did not even recognize it. I thought it's an Audi A6 or 7. When it got closer, I saw the light and logo. Definitely, A4, 330 or C300 look way narrower and smaller than the TLX. No kidding, it's a heavy vehicle.
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