alpha0

I feel Acura needed V6T around 2014-15 with previous generation of TLX/RLX/MDX/RDX. Sport Hybrid was ahead of its time, right time for those is now. Next gen vehicles may be EV/PHEVs.

F23A4

Honestly, I see almost as many Giulias as I see Stingers around my neck of the Jersey woods.

ELIN

I eventually need an Italian car to complete my AXIS of ownership.

F23A4

i saw a couple of decent lease deals on Giulias and Stelvios in my Instagram feed this week.

BEAR-AvHistory

Always liked Alfa's, navigated a 1962 Giulietta Veloce with a slide rule & stop watches on Long Island in a TSD rally series. Best season finish was 8th. Car was owned & driven by a guy I worked with at the time. That said never owned one as reliability was very suspect. Had enough suspect reliability with my 3 English sports racers to last a lifetime.

Tony Pac

What's happening with the best car out there, G70? Sales are up pretty much for all cars if you compare to last year. . So, obviously, comparing sales numbers to Q1 of 2020 is a bit unfair but Genesis G70 went from 2,074 units to 1,864 (10% down). I was under the impression that G70 is on fire and everyone is opting for it lol!

Also, the new model is on its way, there must be huge discounts available. oh well, all I can say is the struggling brand and 7 years old Q50 is outselling G70 I guess everyone likes to praise the G70 or Stinger but when it comes to sign a check of $50K...oh boy!

jjsC5

[QUOTE=Tony Pac;16705802]What's happening with the best car out there, G70? Sales are up pretty much for all cars if you compare to last year. . So, obviously, comparing sales numbers to Q1 of 2020 is a bit unfair but Genesis G70 went from 2,074 units to 1,864 (10% down). I was under the impression that G70 is on fire and everyone is opting for it lol!

Also, the new model is on its way, there must be huge discounts available. oh well, all I can say is the struggling brand and 7 years old Q50 is outselling G70 I guess everyone likes to praise the G70 or Stinger but when it comes to sign a check of $50K...oh boy![/QUOTE

i would not say it’s a “new model” coming out, but it I still a mid cycle refresh. As you saw in my other post, I just did buy (lease) one. Yes, there are big Incentives. My deal had $4,000 incentives along with a very good dealer discount. It’s always hard to guess why sales are up or down but we do know that sedan sales in general have been in a free fall the past few years.

One thing I did see when shopping is that there are not many G70 3.3’s in stock. Several that showed up in inventory at the dealer I bought from were actually in dealer service loaner status. Even so, there were few 3.3. My dealer only had two 3.3 Sports, and there was another guy at the dealer the same time I was who was interested in one also, and he was very knowledgable of the car.

fiatlux

Does Genesis even have a standalone dealership? If not, then relying on Hyundai dealerships doesn't seem particularly ideal. Not just in terms of amenities and customer service, but also geography. For instance, here in the Bay Area, there are zero Hyundai/Kia dealerships anywhere along the peninsula, which is the wealthy side of the Bay. Most folks probably aren't going to want to drive across the Bay every time for servicing, especially when it means going into some of the less-than-stellar areas the dealerships are located in when there's no shortage of Lexus/Mercedes/BMW/Audi (hell even Acura) dealership on this side of the water.

Tony Pac

[QUOTE=jjsC5;16705805]Fair enough. Thank you for your feedback. I know you bought one and I won't lie your car is beautiful

Tony Pac

Happy weekend:

ELIN

Interesting difference b/w Acura/Honda and Lexus/Toyota: Honda gives more emphasis to their engineers while Toyota is more market driven.

I feel Acura could hire a couple more UX folks. The superior product doesn't always sell better (see Betamax vs VHS).

jjsC5

Im not sure why that is a negative about the car. They knew they did not have the means to have stand alone dealers. Now that they have an SUV, and a second very close behind, that will likely change. My dealership told me they are about to start construction on a stand alone building, but tI will be on the site of the existing Hyundai store.

In your case they are smart enough to know their demographics. But they do have your last point covered. They will pick up your car for service. I have not looked at the details of that program becasue I don’t need it. But I recall they came out with that program a few years ago.

ELIN

The SUV will be a boon for Genesis just as it was for Porsche.

leomio85

I wish the GV70 was available around the time the 3G RDX was available. Heck, might have even splurged for the 3.5T.

Agreed tho that I think the introduction of the crossovers should show a sizable increase in sales for the brand.

fiatlux

It's not a negative about the car, but when you buy a car (especially a luxury car), you're also buying the soft-product as well (e.g. the post-sale experience). Until they move away from selling out of Hyundai dealerships, it's going to be a hard sell. They know they have to offer white-glove concierge servicing because they need to keep owners away from the Hyundai experience as much as possible, but currently prospective buyers still need to go to Hyundai dealerships to buy the car, which is going to be a hard ask for a good chunk of their target clientele. Not to mention a lot of Hyundai salespeople tend to be pretty slimy and are more used to dealing with the no-credit/bad-credit crowd.

Tony Pac

i agree with you 100%. I think the GV80 will make a lot of noise but won't make a difference to Genesis sales number. But the GV80 is stunning. Honestly, it's the best looking Suv in that segment. Although the car is inspired by many other cars. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, the car look great.

Tony Pac

I watch this guy's reviews. He is very knowledgeable and he doesn't talk non sense. This review/comparison is just wow!

dmski

[/QUOTE]They will pick up your car for service. I have not looked at the details of that program becasue I don’t need it. But I recall they came out with that program a few years ago.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about you guys, but I would never give keys to my $50K sport sedan to some random person who will keep the car for few hours.... HELL NO!!!

fiatlux

They will pick up your car for service. I have not looked at the details of that program becasue I don’t need it. But I recall they came out with that program a few years ago.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about you guys, but I would never give keys to my $50K sport sedan to some random person who will keep the car for few hours.... HELL NO!!![/QUOTE]

Don't you do the same thing when you take your car in for servicing?

jjsC5

I agree with everything you say here. My dealer experience buying the G70 was outstanding. I freely admit I was not looking forward to it. But I was very pleasantly surprised. After the deal was done I talked to the General sales manager a few times and I told him how impressed I was.

Tony Pac

Did anyone here cross shop TLX and Arteon? I saw one the other day and it looks really great. I mean looks so much better than A4. For some reasons, I have seen only 1 in Montréal. It seems like the market is bad for that car. But if I am in the market for a German car, I would definitely consider Arteon over A4. Looks 10 times better.

Tesla1856

I think it's closer to an Audi A5-SportBack.

pyrodan007

Interior is not even close, bad sound system and meh engine performance. Was a hard pass for me when cross shopping with A5/S5 SB and Stinger, was excited for the refresh. The R version with better engine won't be coming to NA either.

Tesla1856

Yeah, when you have the money ... hard to drop back down the VW after you have been driving Audis for as long as you have.

Sorta like trying to go back to Honda after being an Acura owner for a while.

We are spoiled for life.

Tony Pac

In terms of style you are 100% correct. But price point it's closer to an A4.

But the car is just nice and I think it's a much better choice than A4. I mean A4 is a VW lol with some nice lipsticks.
Jokes aside, VW Jetta GLI looks an amazing. It looks like VW is investing in Jetta more than A4

pyrodan007

Absolutely not, for the same reason why an Accord is not the same as a TLX (could be the same logic as your A4 is a Jetta). At 53k CAD, the Arteon is not exactly mainstream material either, it's VW's most expensive sedan. The A5 starts at 51K CAD, so the price difference is not as high as you think. The A4 is not the direct competitor.

jjsC5

My problem with VW in general is that their engines are ancient. They get very mediocre gas mileage and very mediocre performance. For a company that makes the fabulous GTI, they ignore the enthusiast on the rest of the line. And even if you are not an enthusiast, you are going to care about gas mileage.

jhb31

Must have missed this thread. In another a poster was making a point of a CPO vs the Type S. That's where I fell in it. I could pay 55k for the type S but the waiting was too long. Paid 45 K for a 2 year old S5 Coupe. Options in the car that you can't get in any TLX, Sub 4.5 second 0-60, 6 piston front calipers to bring you down fast and all kinds of other crazy options. I avoided Audi for years from a bad experience years back with one and have been a "loyal" Acura buyer for years but the S5 was an eye opening experience.

jhb31

I should clarify the extra stuff. Massaging seats, optional 19 inch rims with continental extreme contact tires, napa leather, actual shift lever for manual mode (NO BUTTONS), sport rear diff, heads up display with speed sign recognition, digital dash with multiple views and even more sub option displays on it. Leaving out a lot of other things.

Just tonight realized it had door handle lights, also has the Audi rings when you open the door. 10k less, than the type S new which at 52K plus is not a value buy unless is at least near equal performance and even then not sure I would give up all the other stuff. oh, another thing the windows roll down an 1/8" when you open the door and then roll back up when you shut it so easy shut with no effort. Also, it pulls the seat belts forward when you shut the door so you don't have to reach back to snare them. All the controls are well positioned as well, just where they should be. Really well refined. No fake piped in exhaust noise.

SebringSilver

Congrats. What colour did you get? Let’s see some pics.

loki

Exactly. Koreans can change the look of their logos all they want; the fact remains that they'll never be able to shake off the stigma that follows them. Simply put, forking up nearly $60K for something with a KIA badge is impossible for most people. I would get the Q50 with all of it's flaws over G70, knowing full well how much Nissan is struggling. No matter what KIA does, the moment you drive off the lot, resale value of that car drops like a literal rock off a 15 story building.

jhb31

Here are a couple.

SebringSilver

Daytona Gray looks good on pretty much any Audi. Good choice. 👍

jhb31

Thanks, I really prefer silver but on a CPO having one come up for sale fully optioned out and then some it's hard to be too choosy as the CPO S5 coupes don't last long at the dealer and there isn't a ton of prestige models with additional options available. Was disappointed Acura has no plans to have a type S in silver (which is what my 07 was). They have the tiger color which is not my taste but why no silver? I had two TLX's, one in blue and the other in white (loved the expresso leather on that). The blue looked good in pics but after having it I felt it was more flash than I wanted and showed every scratch. Even when I picked it up new it had a ton of micro scratches. All that being said I have probably purchased over 20 cars over the years (including six Acura's) and a boatload of hondas. I did have one V6 audi prior to this one years back and it had a lot of problems so I wrote Audi off for a long time. They have upped their game a lot in that respect. Heck the S5 is this middle level performance model. An RS5 must be insane to drive. May be my next purchase. Type S still in consideration a few years down the road, not sure. I have 5 years on the warranty on this car out of the deal so no rush towards anything. I typically put about 8k miles a year on a car but have been averaging 1k a month on this and have been working from home. It's that fun to drive I will make up reasons to justify driving it.

YEH

Pretty predictable that the G70 wasn't going to sell - basically a redox of the ATS.

Something with the tightest cabin in the class simply isn't going to sell (the lease rates compared to BMW and Mercedes don't help either).

The vast majority of buyers would rather have the extra room than the 10-15% increase in handling capabilities.

That being said, there's only about 1,400-1,500 G70s available right now (most of them being the 2.0T) as Genesis is readying the launch of the FL model.

Think the FL model will see a modest increase in sales, but since it doesn't solve the interior space issue, won't be a long-lasting one (Genesis didn't make the same mistake with the GV70, which has the longest WB among the RWD compacts).


Presently, there are only a few stand-alone dealerships which took over space for another brand (such as Alfa Romeo).

About 150 dealerships (which was the original #/plan) are in various stages of building separate stores, but not clear what the other roughly 300 will do (Hyundai can't force them due to certain state franchise laws, the same issue Ford has been having with Lincoln dealerships which share space with a Ford dealership) - some of these are planning on building a separate building /showroom, others who knows?


Unless you're Tesla or a boutique automaker, automakers don't build/finance dealerships (at least not here - Genesis is doing so in Australia, but we're talking a much smaller #) and it's up to the individual dealership/dealership group.

That being said, the allowance Genesis is granting is quite generous (for industry standards), but that amount still pales in comparison to the $6-12 million in cost (even higher for certain places like the bay area/peninsula where RE prices are thru the roof).


Right now, not having stand-alone dealerships aren't impacting GV80 sales as Genesis sells every one they ship over.

They will change once supply increases (which won't happen until Hyundai expands or builds a new plant).


Are you sure about that?

Hyundai has achieved ATP parity with Honda and has even had lower incentive spending than Honda.

Kia has been rapidly closing in (spear-headed by the Telluride) as well.

The Sonata has the highest ATP for its segment (and that was even before the hybrid and N-Line launched) and the Telluride has the highest ATP for its segment, with buyers forking over as much as $60k ($10k above MSRP) for the Telluride SXP.

Buyers have not only been trading in RX-Ls and MDXs for the Telluride, but the XC90 and even the X5, GLE and Land Rovers (granted, not as much of these as the Japanese).

Used Tellurides are going for MSRP (or even above), and while maybe not to the same extent, should see something similar for the Carnival.

Also, used prices on the Stinger GT1 and GT2 have been holding steady.

Tesla1856

1. Right, I think 19-inchers are perfect for this car. It's probably lowered an inch or so also (mine is).
2. Yep. Two big interior things right there.
3. Because we have "frameless windows" on our coupes.
4. Right. On mine there is a option on the MMI, and I keep it on "Silent". I just hear the actual engine when rev-ed.
5. Motorized arms pop-out and hand them to us after we sit-down and close the door. I've never seen such things (very cool).

jhb31

Not lowered, it's the stock level. Also the bang and olufson sound system is great. What stands out among a lot of things is the ride and handling. Very smooth and not harsh at all but you can power through corners at a good speed and pull out of them at near double speed near instantly with no lean. One of my only gripes with my 07 type S was I felt every bump in the road. The crazy thing is I get higher mpg than either of my TLX's. Also all the controls are placed perfectly. Cruise on a stalk instead of the steering wheel. Never need to look down to find the button, right where it should be. You can tell a lot of thought was put into the entire layout and location of controls.. Also like the oil temp display, not that you need it but it's available if you want it on the digital dash. Heads up display with speed sign recognition and display is also something you don't need but once you have it, it may be hard to go back.

I will say the lane assist on the Acura is way better than the Audi. Just much smoother and where the Audi is fairly jerky or at least mine is. I haven't used it much but the Acura system imo was better.

SebringSilver

An RS5 would be pretty cool, or go for one of these:

Tesla1856

Interesting. Mine works pretty good.

For just "emergency" use, I set it to Late.
But to have it stay in the middle of the lane and drive for you, I set it to Early.

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree, I like the speed limit displayed on the HUD. As to the rest I run with most of it shut down. I keep the front distance/speed differential system & emergency braking on. The blind spot on, cross traffic & back up warning active. One extra thing that coding enables is brake light quick flashing. Its set by a choice of both pedal pressure & stopping rate.