pyrodan007

I thought no one cared about the TLX's small back seats as it's considered more like a coupe

pyrodan007

Cue the fully loaded German model pricing of 10k+ because of feature "equivalence" in 3,2,1 ...

Legend2TL

+1, the hate in the 2G TLX thread is astounding at times.

Anyway, I'll help out Tony. According to GoodCarBadCar TLX is outselling the A4 and ~10% and ~35% less than the C-class and 3-series.
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-u...sales-figures/

4G-Lover

A regular TLX may be a good car at its price point, I don't know but a Type S is definitely not a bargain. A well over 50 grand five seconds sport sedan which doesn't counterbalance with an out of this world handling better than its peers and where you cannot even get electric steering wheel adjustment or cooled seats is hardly a good value for the money.....heck it's only 1 mph faster at the 1/4 mark than Honda own 2.0T Accord......

Kense

The discussion has shifted to It's not about the speed or handeling. But the overall looks of the car and how much it sells.

F23A4

It's starting to go in the same direction in the Type S group on FB, discussing brand reliability despite the fact the JDP VDS shows Kia, Hyundai and Genesis all above Acura AND Honda. (Granted, I think JDP reducing VDS from 5 years to 3 years taints the ratings a bit.)

pyrodan007

Finding a German car is very hard now a days, a sale registered today will probably only be counted and delivered in 4-5 months. I ordered mine in April, should be getting it in September. TLX (non Type-S) sales may be high simply due to high inventory and people needing a car now due to end of lease.

Kense

Acura and BMW are tied but BMW is supposedly a horriblly unreliable brand that will end up exploding after warranty.

F23A4

I’m fairly confident that a handful of automakers strong armed JDS to shorten their VDS review period in order to leverage more favorable reliability reporting.

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

i actually cancelled my s5 order for a type s. It I was a 9k difference and that’s with the s5 being discounted. The s4 was only 2k difference. 🤪

jwtarbaj

Comparing sales figures in this chip shortaged world doesn't really tell the true story. How many cars is Audi making for US market vs how many is Acura making? If Acura can produce 10K cars to Audis 7K cars Acura will sell more. New cars are low on inventory everywhere.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

JD Power isn't looking at long term ownership.

pyrodan007

Good luck getting that hatchback feature for 9k less on the Type-S, for me it's a deal breaker from day one. That's besides everything else.

Kense

what’s considered long term? Not many people keep cars past 6 to 7 years in fact most don’t.

vhtran

I mentioned this somewhere (possibly different car forums), the old fans are now financially stable and most likely replace new cars every 3-5 years.

Kense

Yup and for whatever reason, once a car hits 100K no matter the brand things start breaking. Even Lexus's. Yes if you maintain them etc you'll do better but you're still going to start seeing some expensive maintnance bills no matter the brand.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

I think JD Power looks at the first 3 years - which is within full warranty for most/all cars so dependability may not be the most important thing when purchasing.

ESHBG

Yep and then you start thinking about repair cost vs the car's value and at some point you need to throw in the towel if you are financially able to.

Kense

I see, but the cars I've had issues with in the past all had issues within the first 3 years. Even though things are replaced under warranty , it's a pain in the ass to deal with that crap at the dealer and get loaner cars etc. Our MDX is always having electrical issues and isn't even 3 years old. I had two Infiniti's that both needed numerous recall work and replacement engine componenets in the first year. They were new.

bilirubin

C&D did an instrumented test of the Genesis G70 3.3TT AWD..
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...sis-g70-drive/
... of note is 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, 1/4-mile 13.1 seconds, so just behind the Audi S4, which itself is just behind the C43 AMG.
It's power-to-weight ratio is actually better than the S4, and obviously significantly better ratio than the Type S.

F23A4

I think we've already established that the Type S is complete outclassed by it's contemporaries when it comes to straightline acceleration.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Oh for sure - I'm not discounting the fact that it's still problematic.

motlagh

Funny, I'm in the reverse boat of having cancelled by Type S allocation for an S5 order. The Type S with $2k accessories and $2k ADM (still no movement) would have been a bit under $3k less than my S5 SB offer with discount, and I couldn't justify not going for the S5 at that small delta. It's a bit of a shame, as I like the Type S, but the price needs to come down if one of its key sells is its price point against the competition. (I say "needs," but from a dealer's perspective, I guess they're still moving everything they get for now.) If it was $9k under the S5 on my end, I would have gone for the Type S.

vhtran

What's next?

Kense

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! It's going to EXPLODE!!!!!

leomio2.0

From Sam CarLegion:

I get everyone is entitled to enjoying their car purchase ... and it's their car, their call ... but ya gotta do it for science! LoL

ELIN

Not surprising those Type S owners chickened out. The last couple of videos were text-book definitions of "posterized."

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I'm sure there's a NJ TLX-S owner who would love to run those Accords

F23A4

Definitely think the result of such a contest would result in a ton of “but the handling”, and “the chassis” and “the ELS studio 3D”…..which is legit but the 800lb gorilla in the room would be glaring.

Kense

The guy with 11 Porsche 911’s an NSX, range rovers, Quadrifoglio’s and GT3’s? That guy? The one who thinks the Type S is fast but has actual sports cars. LOL

robnalex

Huh?

ELIN

Wrong dictionary. Try the urban dictionary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterized

Usually used in sports like basketball but I think it's appropriate in racing too.

leomio2.0

I think he was going more for the slang term:

Source: Urban Dictionary
posterized
A slang term depicting a play in basketball. In said play, a player dunks the ball over top or in front of another player, making a play so picturesque that it may appear on a poster, hence the term, posterized.


That being said, YouTube threw this in my recommended:

It already makes more to the wheels than the Type-S and weighs ~800lbs less. With this new info, it seems like the MK8 Golf R is going to be very mod friendly.

That interior though. With most of the functions being done thru the infotainment and the haptic buttons on the steering wheel ... it looks like someone grew up hating the world and finally landed a job as a VW interior engineer. Jebus, it looks like a nightmare to use. I'll have to sit in one and play with it for a while to see if it truly is a deal-breaker.

ELIN

I despise anything haptic. You'll end up looking down which is a big safety issue. Relatively speaking, Acura's TT system is safer by far.

leomio2.0

Agreed. At least for me, I rarely fiddle with my car while driving. If I'm listening to anything, I may raise or lower the volume depending on what roadway I'm driving on. Other than that, it's climate controls I'll be messing with. My infotainment screen is off 99% of the time I'm driving the Acura.

I think it's absurd, in this day in age, that VW thought it was a good idea to bury the climate control functions in the infotainment. I hope whoever designed that has the misfortune of stubbing his/her pinky toe against hard pieces of furniture frequently for the rest of their miserable life.

robnalex

Yep. I drove a rental Ford Fusion last weekend with the climate controls on the home screen.

vhtran

Oh man, coffee came through my nose when I read this.

vhtran

I beg the difference, besides my Q8, my 70-year-old mother is fine with her 2020 Q7, goes the same with my 74-year-old father-in-law and his 2021 Q5 (albeit the Q5 has few buttons, but most will go through the screen). It just needs a little learning curve and your memory will serve you well. However, I agreed with the haptic buttons on the steering wheel, I rather have buttons with the scrolling volume button.

leomio2.0

Yea, I'll have to fiddle with it when I start seriously looking at picking up a new car. A lot of people dislike Acura's True Touch Pad ... but I personally love it. Maybe the R's interior won't be so bad.

Lexus needs to hurry the heck up and give us more details on what pricing for the IS500 is going to look like.

vhtran

Yeah, Lexus has to bring up the game. I kinda like the new 22' NX interior. For the IS500, isn't Lexus have that in their "future cars" link? If so, that will be the most reliable sport car.