When do you think the next gen TL (TLX) will be released?
10-08-2013, 10:55 AM
#1281
Burning Brakes
I've always thought that Acura's button layout was perfect. I drive a different rental car two weeks a month when traveling for work and 9 times out of 10 the layout is awful. For example, almost every car manufacturer (in rentals which are mostly American and some Hyundais, and Infinitis) has the volume and track change buttons on the right side of the steering wheel. Why in the world does the right side make more sense than the left? Seriously if I wanted to move my right hand to change the volume it's only 6 inches away from the center dash volume button. The left makes so much more sense so that it doesn't matter if you're left or right handed, your dominant hand is always on the wheel. I also like how most of the buttons are high up on the dash vs down low....this way I don't have to take my eyes as far off the road for the most used functions.
I could talk buttons for days because nothing annoys me more with other manufacturers than their damn button locations.
I could talk buttons for days because nothing annoys me more with other manufacturers than their damn button locations.
10-08-2013, 11:00 AM
#1282
Burning Brakes
^^^ I couldn't agree with you more!! I love the way the current 4G TL looks inside, the cockpit is so sexy at night with all these buttons and once you get comfortable knowing where they reside, it is very intuitive.
The problem is that those MORONS that test cars have an IQ that is quite inferior than most and can't be smart enough to understand that a simple test drive (or a few days) isn't enough to get a sense of where all the knobs and buttons are. The same thing happens to me if I need to drive a rental vehicle for a work related trip....its just comon sense. Why Acura compromised their sexy interior to make it bland and more prone to excessive navigation from screen to screen to replicate the function of a simple button is very bad. Then again, Acura seems to be a roll when it comes to making bad decision, such as the one to keep the people managing/designing this once fine automobile company *sigh*
PS....Have a soar throat makes me grumpy....my apologies for the negative post
The problem is that those MORONS that test cars have an IQ that is quite inferior than most and can't be smart enough to understand that a simple test drive (or a few days) isn't enough to get a sense of where all the knobs and buttons are. The same thing happens to me if I need to drive a rental vehicle for a work related trip....its just comon sense. Why Acura compromised their sexy interior to make it bland and more prone to excessive navigation from screen to screen to replicate the function of a simple button is very bad. Then again, Acura seems to be a roll when it comes to making bad decision, such as the one to keep the people managing/designing this once fine automobile company *sigh*
PS....Have a soar throat makes me grumpy....my apologies for the negative post
10-08-2013, 11:02 AM
#1283
Pro
Then somebody else got it right....about damn time.
As far as touchscreens vs buttons, to each his own. I don't mind the touchscreen on my wife's TSX, but don't really miss having one. That being said, I rarely use my Nav for directions.
As far as touchscreens vs buttons, to each his own. I don't mind the touchscreen on my wife's TSX, but don't really miss having one. That being said, I rarely use my Nav for directions.
10-08-2013, 11:13 AM
#1284
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The only car that has anywhere near the button content of the TL is my Expedition. A lot is what we get used to but thinking about it my steering wheel has just about all the controls I use for DD.
Most of the panel buttons are set & forget ones. Then again you can always say "Temperature 65" & let the car do it.
Most of the panel buttons are set & forget ones. Then again you can always say "Temperature 65" & let the car do it.
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10-08-2013, 01:58 PM
#1285
Volvo Defector
Autoblog just posted the 2015 Volvo S60 T6 First Drive. 302HP, 0-60 5.6secs and 39mpg is extremely optimistic, but even if the numbers are a little off thats impressive!
Autoblog Link
Engine: Twin-charged (Turbo & Supercharged) 2.0L I4
Power: 302 HP / 295 LB-FT
Transmission: 8-Speed Auto
0-60 Time: 5.6 Seconds (est.)
Top Speed: 143 MPH
Drivetrain: Front-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight: 3,650 LBS (est.)
Seating: 2+3
Cargo: 12.0-30.0 CU-FT
MPG:26 City / 39 HWY (est.)
Base Price: $36,000 (est.)
As-Tested Price: $40,000 (est.)
This sector is getting very competitive. Acura has some work to do with the TLX
Autoblog Link
Engine: Twin-charged (Turbo & Supercharged) 2.0L I4
Power: 302 HP / 295 LB-FT
Transmission: 8-Speed Auto
0-60 Time: 5.6 Seconds (est.)
Top Speed: 143 MPH
Drivetrain: Front-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight: 3,650 LBS (est.)
Seating: 2+3
Cargo: 12.0-30.0 CU-FT
MPG:26 City / 39 HWY (est.)
Base Price: $36,000 (est.)
As-Tested Price: $40,000 (est.)
This sector is getting very competitive. Acura has some work to do with the TLX
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10-08-2013, 06:30 PM
#1287
Which is why I like my 3G. lol. Yes, I know... old as hell, but I like buttons and not levels of menus and submenus. And the voice recognizition to change AC or radio station always cracked me me up : "hey, everybody, shut up! I need to raise the temperature!!!!"
10-09-2013, 07:57 AM
#1289
Three Wheelin'
I thought I would miss the touchscreen on my 08 but have really gotten used to the 2010's control knob. When driving my wife's 09 Ody which has the touchscreen I'm glad I don't have to worry about messy fingerprints anymore. PS - the TL's myriad of buttons don't bother me either. As some have said I really don't use them a whole lot and they do look cool at night. Just my opinion.
10-09-2013, 11:46 AM
#1290
Autoblog just posted the 2015 Volvo S60 T6 First Drive. 302HP, 0-60 5.6secs and 39mpg is extremely optimistic, but even if the numbers are a little off thats impressive!
Autoblog Link
Engine: Twin-charged (Turbo & Supercharged) 2.0L I4
Power: 302 HP / 295 LB-FT
Transmission: 8-Speed Auto
0-60 Time: 5.6 Seconds (est.)
Top Speed: 143 MPH
Drivetrain: Front-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight: 3,650 LBS (est.)
Seating: 2+3
Cargo: 12.0-30.0 CU-FT
MPG:26 City / 39 HWY (est.)
Base Price: $36,000 (est.)
As-Tested Price: $40,000 (est.)
This sector is getting very competitive. Acura has some work to do with the TLX
Autoblog Link
Engine: Twin-charged (Turbo & Supercharged) 2.0L I4
Power: 302 HP / 295 LB-FT
Transmission: 8-Speed Auto
0-60 Time: 5.6 Seconds (est.)
Top Speed: 143 MPH
Drivetrain: Front-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight: 3,650 LBS (est.)
Seating: 2+3
Cargo: 12.0-30.0 CU-FT
MPG:26 City / 39 HWY (est.)
Base Price: $36,000 (est.)
As-Tested Price: $40,000 (est.)
This sector is getting very competitive. Acura has some work to do with the TLX
AWD/RWD or bust!
10-09-2013, 12:14 PM
#1291
Volvo Defector
10-09-2013, 01:02 PM
#1293
6G TLX-S
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10-09-2013, 01:04 PM
#1294
6G TLX-S
S60's are not particularly strong in the handling department, especially when compared to the 4G TL.
Now with 302hp (particularly supercharged low-end torque) solely on the front wheels, will wonder how the resulting handling be like.
Now with 302hp (particularly supercharged low-end torque) solely on the front wheels, will wonder how the resulting handling be like.
10-10-2013, 12:05 AM
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10-10-2013, 07:03 PM
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10-13-2013, 05:14 PM
#1299
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
How much are you willing to pay the spy ?
How much are you willing to pay the spy ?
10-13-2013, 09:49 PM
#1300
Summer is Coming
Honda/Acura is pretty tight-lipped about their future models, but what they need is a change in policy. They should be teasing the heck out of this car trying desperately to keep their customers on board with some hope of a decent car in the near future. But sadly this company doesn't seem comfortable to try anything new.
10-13-2013, 10:14 PM
#1301
Instructor
Honda/Acura is pretty tight-lipped about their future models, but what they need is a change in policy. They should be teasing the heck out of this car trying desperately to keep their customers on board with some hope of a decent car in the near future. But sadly this company doesn't seem comfortable to try anything new.
10-14-2013, 01:22 AM
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Honda/Acura is pretty tight-lipped about their future models, but what they need is a change in policy. They should be teasing the heck out of this car trying desperately to keep their customers on board with some hope of a decent car in the near future. But sadly this company doesn't seem comfortable to try anything new.
10-14-2013, 04:34 PM
#1304
I agree. I haven't been excited about a honda product in years. They are going the way of Toyota and making appliances instead of vehicles that are fun to drive. I'll be honest, I like my TL, but mostly because of the price I was able to get it for. If I could have found a G37S sedan when I was looking I'd be driving that.
10-14-2013, 07:05 PM
#1305
Burning Brakes
I have a feeling Acura is going to ruin the TLX, it's going to look like the RLX but in a smaller package, the RLX is one boring looking car, not to mention that they releases the RLX in FWD instead in AWD hoping that it would be a hit and their bet really tanked because it's just not selling at all.
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10-14-2013, 10:13 PM
#1306
Intermediate
I never understood all the fuss about the buttons. Maybe it's because I've owned 5 Acuras and am very familiar with all the functions but when I look at the dash and instrument panel on my '12 TL, it all makes perfect sense to me. I never have to fumble around trying to figure out what button to press for the desired action. Plus as Weather mentioned, at night all the buttons look really cool lit up. It all looks very logically laid out to me.
10-15-2013, 12:28 AM
#1307
Summer is Coming
They are almost the mirror of Infinity. They get by on one broad selling sedan. If anyone noticed they changed their plans on the Q50. Instead of replacing the G they will sell side by side. The debut of the Q50 has been less than stellar. Infinity sells less than Acura and if the Q50 and G sedan sink, the whole brand will be in serious trouble.
10-15-2013, 01:12 AM
#1308
I have a feeling Acura is going to ruin the TLX, it's going to look like the RLX but in a smaller package, the RLX is one boring looking car, not to mention that they releases the RLX in FWD instead in AWD hoping that it would be a hit and their bet really tanked because it's just not selling at all.
10-15-2013, 05:24 AM
#1309
Suzuka Master
Acura doesn't survive as an SUV only company. Unfortunately Acura's expectation of themselves seems to be so low that if they can break even on a sedan I think they consider that a success. So even if they limp along with an also-ran sedan they will keep pumping them out. But if they lose money on their sedan business for long I think they are in serious trouble.
They are almost the mirror of Infinity. They get by on one broad selling sedan. If anyone noticed they changed their plans on the Q50. Instead of replacing the G they will sell side by side. The debut of the Q50 has been less than stellar. Infinity sells less than Acura and if the Q50 and G sedan sink, the whole brand will be in serious trouble.
They are almost the mirror of Infinity. They get by on one broad selling sedan. If anyone noticed they changed their plans on the Q50. Instead of replacing the G they will sell side by side. The debut of the Q50 has been less than stellar. Infinity sells less than Acura and if the Q50 and G sedan sink, the whole brand will be in serious trouble.
10-15-2013, 09:17 PM
#1310
They are almost the mirror of Infinity. They get by on one broad selling sedan. If anyone noticed they changed their plans on the Q50. Instead of replacing the G they will sell side by side. The debut of the Q50 has been less than stellar. Infinity sells less than Acura and if the Q50 and G sedan sink, the whole brand will be in serious trouble.
10-16-2013, 06:26 AM
#1311
Suzuka Master
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/car-...50k-8C11398692
10-16-2013, 01:59 PM
#1312
Pro
Is it really that hard to produce a car that the market demands? I know they are trying to predict the future a little due to long development times, but surely Acura can do better than they have been.
10-16-2013, 03:06 PM
#1313
Pro
I guess it is harder for the Asians than for the Europeans! Mercedes keeps cranking out new vehicles that are instant winners and BMW and Audi don't seem to have problems keeping buyers interested. But Acura plods along and when they finally get around to introducing something "new" with much hoopla, it is often a day late and a dollar short.
10-16-2013, 06:11 PM
#1314
Suzuka Master
Remember that some of those instant successes from the Germans is just because of the logo not because of the car. The Asians need to build a successful car on all levels just to get people in the door to shop it then hope it gets bought. The main stream buyer is actually fairly ignorant consumer.
10-16-2013, 06:30 PM
#1315
Also, consider that according to Forbes, BMW has the 9th most valuable brand and MB the 16th. Lexus is 87th and Acura and Infiniti didn't make the top 100. My point being -- the Germans have the brand equity and monetary power to take chances the Japanese can't. Even Toyota and Honda on their own aren't as valuable and powerful as BMW.
http://www.forbes.com/powerful-brands/list/
http://www.forbes.com/powerful-brands/list/
10-16-2013, 08:03 PM
#1317
Remember that some of those instant successes from the Germans is just because of the logo not because of the car. The Asians need to build a successful car on all levels just to get people in the door to shop it then hope it gets bought. The main stream buyer is actually fairly ignorant consumer.
10-16-2013, 08:18 PM
#1318
Suzuka Master
I am curious to see how people really like the CLA and A3 once they own them a while and deal with German reliability and gremlins. The CLA is selling like they are giving them away, but my guess is this is younger wannabe people that want a badge. I plan on taking a CLA for a drive as the gf is attracted to them, but my bet is once she drives it and sees where the cut costs and value she wills tick with Acura.
10-16-2013, 08:31 PM
#1319
Pro
The only CLA I'd buy would be the AMG and even then I think the IS F Sport is a better deal. MB is delivering the AMG's at a rate of 1 per month her in KC. The original plan was to start delivering in January but now they've been delayed until the spring according to my buddy who was 3rd on the list and is now canceling his order.
10-16-2013, 09:32 PM
#1320
Instructor
Just saw a commercial for a 4 series BMW; really? I know it's a coupe, but this where a TLX coupe would be advantageous.
1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, X3, X5, X6.
If Acura had a similar, overlapped line, they would be bankrupt. I agree with Keith, it's a brand issue. Germans can put out inferior built cars (anecdotal), but the 4 rings, the 3 star symbol, & the initials BMW are just associated with wealth, status, & money, which people want to show.
Nick
1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, X3, X5, X6.
If Acura had a similar, overlapped line, they would be bankrupt. I agree with Keith, it's a brand issue. Germans can put out inferior built cars (anecdotal), but the 4 rings, the 3 star symbol, & the initials BMW are just associated with wealth, status, & money, which people want to show.
Nick
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