Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
#881
Race Director
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Don't get too hung up on the fabrication, that's the easy part. Hang a twin off of each head or put a single in the battery location. The piping, oil return/feed are simple do-it-yourself jobs.
Quite honestly, the fab work is very easy.
Engine managment is where the project comes to a halt.
Quite honestly, the fab work is very easy.
Engine managment is where the project comes to a halt.
I wouldn't have thought about putting the turbo where the OP did. I'm assuming it's a lot like the BMW 1 series design? I also wouldn't have thought an intercooler in the front was possible, but it is.
So forgive my ignorance, I just had to reread the first two pages.
#882
I (don't) whine.
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I've been following this thread but didn't see anywhere if either of you guys built up your internals at all. Specifically, the pistons/rings/rods are designed to hold this type of power. Granted your tuning will help tremendously the reliability of those parts under any more than a few lbs of boost will suck . It's always better to be safe than sorry
I'm really interested to see the end result of this product. There seems to be a lot of promise with this kit. I've been looking into other boost options as well since my silly lil mp62 can't really provide too much to my built 3.5 so i'll be anxiously waiting for what this finished product can do. I just sorted out my CM clutch issues and the next step is to have the AEM to control the vtec so let's see how that goes.
I'm really interested to see the end result of this product. There seems to be a lot of promise with this kit. I've been looking into other boost options as well since my silly lil mp62 can't really provide too much to my built 3.5 so i'll be anxiously waiting for what this finished product can do. I just sorted out my CM clutch issues and the next step is to have the AEM to control the vtec so let's see how that goes.
Last edited by ussi; 06-11-2009 at 11:33 AM.
#883
Team Owner
You guys think about this for a second, 400+whp at only 10psi. That's nearly 500hp at the crank at a low boost level. We're 5psi away from competing with the likes of a new Z06..... from a roll.
#884
Race Director
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#885
Burning Brakes
I didn't need an explanation of what needs to be done to boost a car. Nor an explanation of parts manufacturers. What I was saying is up to this point, I thought this was impossible. I thought special parts had to be fabbed due to space restrictions. Apparently this isn't so. Basically it is just up until this point, no one had wanted to take the plunge on their own car.
All I wanted to know.
Edit: Can't remember, but are they losing anything? Still have AC? PS? etc?
All I wanted to know.
Edit: Can't remember, but are they losing anything? Still have AC? PS? etc?
#886
Safety Car
ive always known the motor on this car can handle a lot of power... but after all the horror stories ive heard id be afraid to "upgrade" unless some reliable company/companies came out with some serious serious internal upgrades....at which point (after boost) this car would be eating other cars alive.....and the numbers produced thus far are unreal....i wish i can hear this thing hit VTEC!!!
#887
Burning Brakes
I've been following this thread but didn't see anywhere if either of you guys built up your internals at all. Specifically, the pistons/rings/rods are designed to hold this type of power. Granted your tuning will help tremendously the reliability of those parts under any more than a few lbs of boost will suck . It's always better to be safe than sorry
I'm really interested to see the end result of this product. There seems to be a lot of promise with this kit. I've been looking into other boost options as well since my silly lil mp62 can't really provide too much to my built 3.5 so i'll be anxiously waiting for what this finished product can do. I just sorted out my CM clutch issues and the next step is to have the AEM to control the vtec so let's see how that goes.
I'm really interested to see the end result of this product. There seems to be a lot of promise with this kit. I've been looking into other boost options as well since my silly lil mp62 can't really provide too much to my built 3.5 so i'll be anxiously waiting for what this finished product can do. I just sorted out my CM clutch issues and the next step is to have the AEM to control the vtec so let's see how that goes.
#889
Team Owner
ive always known the motor on this car can handle a lot of power... but after all the horror stories ive heard id be afraid to "upgrade" unless some reliable company/companies came out with some serious serious internal upgrades....at which point (after boost) this car would be eating other cars alive.....and the numbers produced thus far are unreal....i wish i can hear this thing hit VTEC!!!
I want this turbo project to succeed and do so reliably for one, so that we are competitive with some of the fastest cars made today and two, for selfish reasons so I can say I told you so back when I said these things would handle over 400whp with a good tune and no knock.
#892
Right now car has stock internals , car is been used to develope a bolt on turbo kit where no internls needs to be upgraded ... After all that's said and done and kit is released the car will be built for self pleasure & for knowledge for who else have the desire to build motor & turn boost up....
Quite honestly that's the way to go, because the typical person adding this kit to their car won't have the cash to replace a motor when they add the "BIG" kit and blow up their motor because they didn't decide to upgrade any internals. Granted that would be their own fault, but I don't think any other TL owners on here want to see their fellow TLers go up in smoke.
This might be a stupid question, but I haven't inspected pictures all that much.....has any thought been given to the extra heat from the exhaust piping in the engine bay? Does it have any negative effects on other "stuff" in the engine bay? I assume the piping is kept far enough away from things for it not to be a problem, but I'm just wondering.
#893
Team Owner
But the way I look at it is detonation will kill a forged bottom end, it will just take a little longer.
If the detonation is not taken care of, a built engine is just a band-aid.
Once the detonation is cured, is a built bottom really necessary?
These guys are pushing nearly 100hp more than the supercharged guys and so far so good.
If it were mine I would probably have it built just for peace of mind but I do a lot of things that aren't necessary. It's all about margins, how close to the edge do you want to go....
Personally I want to see these guys push the stock bottom to see where it gives out at. Easy words when it's not my own car but I suspect 450-500whp is where daily driver reliability will be compromised even with a good tune.
#894
#895
It's pretty simple. Once I saw the flow numbers on the TL's heads I knew with a little boost it would be a monster.
You guys think about this for a second, 400+whp at only 10psi. That's nearly 500hp at the crank at a low boost level. We're 5psi away from competing with the likes of a new Z06..... from a roll.
You guys think about this for a second, 400+whp at only 10psi. That's nearly 500hp at the crank at a low boost level. We're 5psi away from competing with the likes of a new Z06..... from a roll.
On related note, all I'd want is probably 400Hp. Anymore and all I'll do is just hit the limiter even faster, so it won't matter if I have 400 or 500Hp unless I probably hit the strip (which is a rarity for me).
Then again, if we're finally finding a way to, hypothetically, get a TL to 500Hp, I can only assume someone will finally find a way to remove our limiters & make the TL run safer at speeds over 140Mph.
#899
I won't lie, I'm not turbo-smart. But, what is that round thing next to the turbo that seems to come directly after it?
Curious as I've never seen it before.
Curious as I've never seen it before.
#902
#903
#904
#907
Team Owner
When the kit comes out, the BOV could be deleted for the auto trans models, especially with what looks to be the ported compressor housing. It would lower the price just a little.
You guys could offer the 550hp kit with methanol injection and 15psi lol. Think about it, a TL with turbo kit, K&N filter, and exhaust taking down new Z06s and Vipers.
I'm stil excited, this car went from one of the worst bang for the bucks, dollar per hp gained to actually respectable.
You guys could offer the 550hp kit with methanol injection and 15psi lol. Think about it, a TL with turbo kit, K&N filter, and exhaust taking down new Z06s and Vipers.
I'm stil excited, this car went from one of the worst bang for the bucks, dollar per hp gained to actually respectable.
#908
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
When the kit comes out, the BOV could be deleted for the auto trans models, especially with what looks to be the ported compressor housing. It would lower the price just a little.
You guys could offer the 550hp kit with methanol injection and 15psi lol. Think about it, a TL with turbo kit, K&N filter, and exhaust taking down new Z06s and Vipers.
I'm stil excited, this car went from one of the worst bang for the bucks, dollar per hp gained to actually respectable.
You guys could offer the 550hp kit with methanol injection and 15psi lol. Think about it, a TL with turbo kit, K&N filter, and exhaust taking down new Z06s and Vipers.
I'm stil excited, this car went from one of the worst bang for the bucks, dollar per hp gained to actually respectable.
#909
Just to get an idea, but if & when 500 is achieved, um, just how much stuff is going to be needed to upgraded?
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
Even though it'll def. be worth the look on a Z06 owner's face.
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
Even though it'll def. be worth the look on a Z06 owner's face.
#910
Team Owner
That GN was at roughly the same hp level as these TLs only it's 150lbs lighter. That video is a good indicator of how a turbo TL would pull a stock TL. That car has been runnning around at 29psi for the last 6 or so months so it's got to be in the low 500rwhp range. It barely pulled a new cammed Z06 from a 20mph roll. If only the driver would learn to launch it. When that car was owned by a different friend he would always let me drive it for the money races. It hooks unbelievably well. I could launch it with the pedal to the floor at 26psi in first gear. With the new owner it gets beat by stock FWD family cars off the start lol.
#911
runnin a little boost
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[QUOTE=Rick_TL-S;11000003]Just to get an idea, but if & when 500 is achieved, um, just how much stuff is going to be needed to upgraded?
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
It is one thing to make 400-500 on a dyno where the car is straped down, but the street is where its going to get a little scary. Driving a 400+ HP and TQ TL is going to take some serious skill and 500 HP is no WOT until 120+ MPH on drag radials. Once I see the kit sorted out I will be on board, but the car already is hard to shift fast enough to stay out of the red.
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
It is one thing to make 400-500 on a dyno where the car is straped down, but the street is where its going to get a little scary. Driving a 400+ HP and TQ TL is going to take some serious skill and 500 HP is no WOT until 120+ MPH on drag radials. Once I see the kit sorted out I will be on board, but the car already is hard to shift fast enough to stay out of the red.
#912
Team Owner
Just to get an idea, but if & when 500 is achieved, um, just how much stuff is going to be needed to upgraded?
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
Even though it'll def. be worth the look on a Z06 owner's face.
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
Even though it'll def. be worth the look on a Z06 owner's face.
While we're at it, might as well make another prediction..... The auto turbo TL will get down the 1/4 .5 seconds quicker than the manual on equal tires.
#913
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
^ For reference.. didn't you get the jump too.. lol.. looks like he shut it down before he even hit 80.. wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA-qkRZWag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA-qkRZWag
#914
Team Owner
[quote=Hi speed;11000104]
Likely you'll literally dump the clutch and reach for second right away. My 600hp car is in first gear for 1 second at the most and third comes up in a hair under 3 seconds at 60mph. You guys will have a whole new learing curve at 500whp.
Just to get an idea, but if & when 500 is achieved, um, just how much stuff is going to be needed to upgraded?
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
It is one thing to make 400-500 on a dyno where the car is straped down, but the street is where its going to get a little scary. Driving a 400+ HP and TQ TL is going to take some serious skill and 500 HP is no WOT until 120+ MPH on drag radials. Once I see the kit sorted out I will be on board, but the car already is hard to shift fast enough to stay out of the red.
At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.
At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.
It is one thing to make 400-500 on a dyno where the car is straped down, but the street is where its going to get a little scary. Driving a 400+ HP and TQ TL is going to take some serious skill and 500 HP is no WOT until 120+ MPH on drag radials. Once I see the kit sorted out I will be on board, but the car already is hard to shift fast enough to stay out of the red.
Likely you'll literally dump the clutch and reach for second right away. My 600hp car is in first gear for 1 second at the most and third comes up in a hair under 3 seconds at 60mph. You guys will have a whole new learing curve at 500whp.
#915
Team Owner
^ For reference.. didn't you get the jump too.. lol.. looks like he shut it down before he even hit 80.. wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA-qkRZWag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA-qkRZWag
I kept the TL floored for a couple seconds after he let off or it would've looked even worse.
Edit- I should add that the torque was in the low 500lb range. And that was third gear at the 10 second mark in the video so as a point of reference it was about 60mph at that point.
Last edited by I hate cars; 06-11-2009 at 11:53 PM.
#917
Team Owner
[quote=Elegant TYPE S;11000173]I used to have a problem with it making my head spin off the launch. I've always been prone to dizziness on roller coasters and a couple times it felt like I was drunk for a couple seconds. At 500hp in the TL, you're likely going to experience this.
#918
thing to make 400-500 on a dyno where the car is straped down, but the street is where its going to get a little scary. Driving a 400+ HP and TQ TL is going to take some serious skill and 500 HP is no WOT until 120+ MPH on drag radials. Once I see the kit sorted out I will be on board, but the car already is hard to shift fast enough to stay out of the red.
That's the name of the game. You make more and more power and keep finding the next weakest link. In the manual TL it will probably the clutch or axles and the auto should hold up as soon as we find a way to get the proper line pressure rise out of it. I doubt we'll see a lot of axle failures in the auto.
While we're at it, might as well make another prediction..... The auto turbo TL will get down the 1/4 .5 seconds quicker than the manual on equal tires.
While we're at it, might as well make another prediction..... The auto turbo TL will get down the 1/4 .5 seconds quicker than the manual on equal tires.
Speaking of QTR mile times, though, what do you reckon a 400 & a 500Hp TL would do on radials? They're already high 13/low 14 second cars with 250Bhp, so I'd be guessing around a second & a half faster.
#919
Team Owner
Oh, I'm not saying it'll be a walk in the park. I totally agree with you. 500whp can get pretty hairy in just a RWD. 500Whp in a front wheel drive TL, well, will probably look like a burnout at every intersection.
Seeing as you've had first hand knowledge seeing the auto tranny naked, I wouldn't doubt you.
Speaking of QTR mile times, though, what do you reckon a 400 & a 500Hp TL would do on radials? They're already high 13/low 14 second cars with 250Bhp, so I'd be guessing around a second & a half faster.
Seeing as you've had first hand knowledge seeing the auto tranny naked, I wouldn't doubt you.
Speaking of QTR mile times, though, what do you reckon a 400 & a 500Hp TL would do on radials? They're already high 13/low 14 second cars with 250Bhp, so I'd be guessing around a second & a half faster.