See, he already answered my question on page two, I just didn't see it the first time. So I just had to read through all 22 pages again to get a simple answer.

I wouldn't have thought about putting the turbo where the OP did. I'm assuming it's a lot like the BMW 1 series design? I also wouldn't have thought an intercooler in the front was possible, but it is.

So forgive my ignorance, I just had to reread the first two pages.

 

I've been following this thread but didn't see anywhere if either of you guys built up your internals at all. Specifically, the pistons/rings/rods are designed to hold this type of power. Granted your tuning will help tremendously the reliability of those parts under any more than a few lbs of boost will suck . It's always better to be safe than sorry

I'm really interested to see the end result of this product. There seems to be a lot of promise with this kit. I've been looking into other boost options as well since my silly lil mp62 can't really provide too much to my built 3.5 so i'll be anxiously waiting for what this finished product can do. I just sorted out my CM clutch issues and the next step is to have the AEM to control the vtec so let's see how that goes.

 

It's pretty simple. Once I saw the flow numbers on the TL's heads I knew with a little boost it would be a monster.

You guys think about this for a second, 400+whp at only 10psi. That's nearly 500hp at the crank at a low boost level. We're 5psi away from competing with the likes of a new Z06..... from a roll.

 

LOL, my boss would be pissed!

 

I hate cars was tring to help you out by saving you the headache , but since you already know all that go for it.......

 

ive always known the motor on this car can handle a lot of power... but after all the horror stories ive heard id be afraid to "upgrade" unless some reliable company/companies came out with some serious serious internal upgrades....at which point (after boost) this car would be eating other cars alive.....and the numbers produced thus far are unreal....i wish i can hear this thing hit VTEC!!!

 

Right now car has stock internals , car is been used to develope a bolt on turbo kit where no internls needs to be upgraded ... After all that's said and done and kit is released the car will be built for self pleasure & for knowledge for who else have the desire to build motor & turn boost up....

 

woot anymore updates?

whens the next dyno?

whats being done to it right now?

 

I think all the problems before were from a lack of tuning, at least in the case of the blown supercharged cars.

I want this turbo project to succeed and do so reliably for one, so that we are competitive with some of the fastest cars made today and two, for selfish reasons so I can say I told you so back when I said these things would handle over 400whp with a good tune and no knock.

 

even the n/a motors have some issues that need treatment. even if it doesnt increase power at least the weakest links would be gone.

 

On the AEM F/IC can u do real time tuning on the dyno as your running the car or it has to be mapped out and then implemented?

 

Quite honestly that's the way to go, because the typical person adding this kit to their car won't have the cash to replace a motor when they add the "BIG" kit and blow up their motor because they didn't decide to upgrade any internals. Granted that would be their own fault, but I don't think any other TL owners on here want to see their fellow TLers go up in smoke.

This might be a stupid question, but I haven't inspected pictures all that much.....has any thought been given to the extra heat from the exhaust piping in the engine bay? Does it have any negative effects on other "stuff" in the engine bay? I assume the piping is kept far enough away from things for it not to be a problem, but I'm just wondering.

 

Understood.

But the way I look at it is detonation will kill a forged bottom end, it will just take a little longer.

If the detonation is not taken care of, a built engine is just a band-aid.

Once the detonation is cured, is a built bottom really necessary?

These guys are pushing nearly 100hp more than the supercharged guys and so far so good.

If it were mine I would probably have it built just for peace of mind but I do a lot of things that aren't necessary. It's all about margins, how close to the edge do you want to go....

Personally I want to see these guys push the stock bottom to see where it gives out at. Easy words when it's not my own car but I suspect 450-500whp is where daily driver reliability will be compromised even with a good tune.

 

I have seen wierd thins happen when making changes on the fly, I would reccomend shutting off the car between changes......

 

That seems like a fair price, imo.
Til' around 135Mph. The, I personally, am done.


On related note, all I'd want is probably 400Hp. Anymore and all I'll do is just hit the limiter even faster, so it won't matter if I have 400 or 500Hp unless I probably hit the strip (which is a rarity for me).

Then again, if we're finally finding a way to, hypothetically, get a TL to 500Hp, I can only assume someone will finally find a way to remove our limiters & make the TL run safer at speeds over 140Mph.

 

time to break the silence and initiate the drooling. A few pics of Pass427's car from PBIR on May 3rd. cell phone pics please excuse the poor quality.

 

^

 

Hey pass427's you going to PBIR on July 5th? I was hoping to shoot a video of your car and maybe a flyby

 

I won't lie, I'm not turbo-smart. But, what is that round thing next to the turbo that seems to come directly after it?


Curious as I've never seen it before.

 

Aw.. those are old pics =[
Thanks for making me drool even more again.

 

^ pics are from last month. I dont live with the guy to get in depth coverage

 

A wastegate.

 

Nice, but I still prefer my piping layout plans......

 

Ah.

 

man, the intercooler looks looooow...

 

Great setup. I would buy one if the kits were sold in a heart beat. Great job guys.

 

When the kit comes out, the BOV could be deleted for the auto trans models, especially with what looks to be the ported compressor housing. It would lower the price just a little.

You guys could offer the 550hp kit with methanol injection and 15psi lol. Think about it, a TL with turbo kit, K&N filter, and exhaust taking down new Z06s and Vipers.

I'm stil excited, this car went from one of the worst bang for the bucks, dollar per hp gained to actually respectable.

 

We expect a new video of the TL vs. your buddies GN once you drop in the turbo at 15psi.. I'm gonna put in a 2 Gallon Res for Meth.. lol.. I think I may buy some parts as they come along now..

 

Just to get an idea, but if & when 500 is achieved, um, just how much stuff is going to be needed to upgraded?

At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.

At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.







Even though it'll def. be worth the look on a Z06 owner's face.

 

That GN was at roughly the same hp level as these TLs only it's 150lbs lighter. That video is a good indicator of how a turbo TL would pull a stock TL. That car has been runnning around at 29psi for the last 6 or so months so it's got to be in the low 500rwhp range. It barely pulled a new cammed Z06 from a 20mph roll. If only the driver would learn to launch it. When that car was owned by a different friend he would always let me drive it for the money races. It hooks unbelievably well. I could launch it with the pedal to the floor at 26psi in first gear. With the new owner it gets beat by stock FWD family cars off the start lol.

 

[QUOTE=Rick_TL-S;11000003]Just to get an idea, but if & when 500 is achieved, um, just how much stuff is going to be needed to upgraded?

At 400, it seems banelba & pass haven't really needed to upgrade anything outside what the turbo needs to run, thus the cost of the kit seems pretty damn nice.

At 500, though, I really am curious. How much more cash are we going to need to have ready other than the for the kit? I'll be a little stricken if I saw I needed the cash for tranny upgrades, new tires, new internals, etc. etc.


It is one thing to make 400-500 on a dyno where the car is straped down, but the street is where its going to get a little scary. Driving a 400+ HP and TQ TL is going to take some serious skill and 500 HP is no WOT until 120+ MPH on drag radials. Once I see the kit sorted out I will be on board, but the car already is hard to shift fast enough to stay out of the red.

 

That's the name of the game. You make more and more power and keep finding the next weakest link. In the manual TL it will probably the clutch or axles and the auto should hold up as soon as we find a way to get the proper line pressure rise out of it. I doubt we'll see a lot of axle failures in the auto.

While we're at it, might as well make another prediction..... The auto turbo TL will get down the 1/4 .5 seconds quicker than the manual on equal tires.

 

^ For reference.. didn't you get the jump too.. lol.. looks like he shut it down before he even hit 80.. wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA-qkRZWag

 

[quote=Hi speed;11000104]
Likely you'll literally dump the clutch and reach for second right away. My 600hp car is in first gear for 1 second at the most and third comes up in a hair under 3 seconds at 60mph. You guys will have a whole new learing curve at 500whp.

 

LOL. I *think* that car was in the 420ish range at 22psi in the video but can't remember for sure. We've turned the boost up and down so many times it gets confusing. I do remember it ran mid 11s at 117-119mph at the time.

I kept the TL floored for a couple seconds after he let off or it would've looked even worse.

Edit- I should add that the torque was in the low 500lb range. And that was third gear at the 10 second mark in the video so as a point of reference it was about 60mph at that point.

 

[QUOTE=I hate cars;11000126]I can see alot of shoulder dislocations taking place.. haha... but I have to admit this sounds so cooL!

 

[quote=Elegant TYPE S;11000173]I used to have a problem with it making my head spin off the launch. I've always been prone to dizziness on roller coasters and a couple times it felt like I was drunk for a couple seconds. At 500hp in the TL, you're likely going to experience this.

 

Oh, I'm not saying it'll be a walk in the park. I totally agree with you. 500whp can get pretty hairy in just a RWD. 500Whp in a front wheel drive TL, well, will probably look like a burnout at every intersection.
Seeing as you've had first hand knowledge seeing the auto tranny naked, I wouldn't doubt you.

Speaking of QTR mile times, though, what do you reckon a 400 & a 500Hp TL would do on radials? They're already high 13/low 14 second cars with 250Bhp, so I'd be guessing around a second & a half faster.

 

Deep 12s for a 400hp one with a good driver on a good street tire like a drag radial. The problem we're going to see if they're kept on pure every day street tires is the mph is going to go way up but the ET won't drop that much for the hp gained. Someone is going to have to step up and run drag radials at a minimum.

 

pass if ur guys drop this on the market as bolt on..... are they going to provide maps for the f/ic??? or it'll be tuned at our own place??