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I'm only guessing but if they advertise hollow shafts for the TL-S, are the regular shafts solid? If they're both the same diameter, any chance you can substitute the hollow for solid shafts? The gears will take a lot more torque without shaft deflection.

Fwiw, shafts would be one of the easier parts to get made in the aftermarket. I can't see it taking more than a day.

Another good resource might be the supercharged guy who has been through a ton of 6mts. I can't remember his name right now but he probably has a lot of experience.

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I agree, narrow and hollow is not what you want unless they're made from some good steel.

Xiomaro

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As someone who makes knives as a hobby, I know steel.
If they used as high quality as it would take it wouldn't be cheap.
May as well just go for a dog box right ihc, lol

KN_TL

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Opel in NYC.

He doesn't come here often because he can't stand the BS.

libert69

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The first thing that came to my mind when I saw "cast" was cast iron.

I agree the gears need to be upgraded but who will be the one to take the plunge and be the guinea pig?

regular base shafts are hollow as well.

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It's probably going to take people who are willing to invest a non-trival amount of money and then wait. Sound familiar?

Like I said, Rodney told me that Kikazz was going to have him work on the 6MT because he knew that his build was going to ravage it. I think you are going to be at similar levels as he was but from what it looked like from the outside, he had deep pockets.

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kikazz had come into a bunch of money and dumped it all into his car but wasnt very smart about it. i heard he paid pauter and extra couple of hundred dollars to have the rods made in 2 weeks instead of 4 but he didnt put the rods into the motor for a month or 2. lmao

I looked real quick at some places that can make straight gears but they said they want a new transmission sent to them and would need it for 6 months.

I would throw a couple grand at this project but I highly doubt thats going to be enough

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Ah, he told me he didn't have the time to waste on being patient. Easy come easy go.......

I think 2G's will get you a deposit from what I was gathering. The estimate at the time was around 3.5-4G's.

What would a new complete 6mt cost?

Xiomaro

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I'll probly be doing it.
I also have a little secret that's been discussed, but i dunno if I can disclose it.
I shouldn't without Rodney say at least.

Xiomaro

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All I can say is it has to do with my built engine

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Now that's just cruel..... Tell me tell me tell me tell me.

04accordcpe

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havent been here like forever, but ive been doing a little catching up.

what kind of problems are you having with the ring gear? are you running the CM aasco lwfw? or?


tooth count AND diameter compared to the stock unit were both different.

CM and stock gear comparison


ive expressed concerns regarding our 6mt's for years now.

5-6 broken gear sets, couple final drive gears, syncros, etc,.. over the past 5 years.

broken LSD's,






the only real solution is to dump all the gears PERIOD and start from scratch. cryo treating is not an option IMO. custom straight cut gears and a strong non-helical type LSD is in order. doable, but big $$$$$$$$$

Majofo

04!

Xiomaro

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Was trying to pm u but your box is full!
Pm me when its clear and I'll share

Well I had the CM, its a POS. Went stock with p2r, didn't last long at all. So now its tilt on twin disc time.

Thank u for further reinforcing the gtfo gears idea

Realistically I think for big power a new tranny all together will need to be built.
I don't think there's going to be room for heavier gears. Even still the previous concern is whether not the case can handle it, which is a big gamble.

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Good so see you on here again. You are the one I was referring to above but I can never remember your username.

Was there any pattern to the failures like wheelhop? If I remember right, a lot of yours were broken while at the road course which shouldn't be that terribly hard on the gears.

Anyway, your input is always appreciated, you've probably had more forced induction J series experience than anyone.

I do agree though. Straight cut gears. If any of you guys are interested, I can talk to my old boss who not only builds engines (holds a couple world records) but also makes anything he needs with a full CNC machine shop that he owns and is the only employee. He's got a 5 axis machine which I think would not only make helical cut gears but straight cut should be easy. Shafts would be child's play. It would require a donor transmission though. I would highly suggest trying solid shafts first and then going straight cut.

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@04accordcpe: When those gears broke, how much horsepower/torque were you making? Supercharged?

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its funny you ask, cause out of the 5 transmissions (well actually 4, cause im still on my 5th one) only one failed at hard acceleration with minimal wheel hop and thats when my LSD blew up on me.

but heres the kicker, all the transmission failures (beside the LSD mishap)happened on every day normal driving conditions. the tranmission i am currently running on, i bought with over 100k+ miles and by far is the most reliable one till this day *knock on wood*.. one HUGE thing to note, this is the only one i have ran with genuine honda gear oil from the getgo, rather than the gmc SMFM. im really starting to second guess that stuff and think its way to thin to run reliably in our type of transmissions.

@ Xiomaro, were you also running the gmc stuff at the time of your failures also??


depends which tranmssion you are speaking of. in the beginning i was at 306whp/260tq, on my j30a4. eventually i swapped for a j32a3 and at the very end, i was at 348whp/300tq. i sold my entire SC setup last november though and back to good ol' NA :/

libert69

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im glad you mentioned this. with no car right now, all I can do is read read read. ive seen on a few different honda forums with many different types of honda/acura cars but all with high hp turbo builds (integras, civics, hatchbacks) and STOCK gear boxes, very few guys run the GM synchromesh stuff. From what ive read, a few people have mentioned the GM stuff gets way to hot from all the friction modifiers and thins out real bad

Lots of guys like redline and torco. Amsoil is up there also

With redline its mainly the lightweight shockproof but im going to try redline's mtl first.

redline mtl
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=45&pcid=7

redline lightweight shockproof
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=43&pcid=8

Torco RTF on the other hand has peaked my interest a little. I know hondas MTF is equivalent to a 5w/10w30 and torco's RTF says it falls within that category but I think it may be too thick....but what do i know

http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/rtf.html

All i know is I wanted a 100% synthetic and GMs synchromesh is a semi-synth

Xiomaro

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[QUOTE=04accordcpe

@ Xiomaro, were you also running the gmc stuff at the time of your failures also??




depends which tranmssion you are speaking of. in the beginning i was at 306whp/260tq, on my j30a4. eventually i swapped for a j32a3 and at the very end, i was at 348whp/300tq. i sold my entire SC setup last november though and back to good ol' NA :/[/QUOTE]


Yes I was actually. I don't see how that fluid would cause a mass failure though

libert69

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I have one small chip on one tooth in 1st gear.
two small chips on 2 separate teeth on the mainshaft
No chipping but more like a scuff mark on the 3rd gear set

Are these little chips enough reason to buy brand new parts?

1st gear




mainshaft




3rd gear set

Xiomaro

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Hmmm, probly not, however as it has been compromised it can only get worse.
Those "scuffs" are probly the result of the chips being forced across the teeth.

Majofo

Only a matter of time.

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Looks like the previous owner needed more practice driving a manual. Chips on the leading edge of each gear is usually from a misshift. It might or might not hurt torque capacity.

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I'm on a party bus on the way to Vegas so the pics are kind of hard to see but the synchros look pretty worn in one of those pictures.

Majofo

Dammit.. I'll be there in 5 days.. I'm expecting to find you under some bus bench off the strip

Xiomaro

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IHC Did u get my pm?

Xiomaro

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Did someone fart in here cuz it cleared out fast, lol

swoosh

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phee

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those chips are caused by shitty synchros and half shifts. replace the synchros. i hate that honda doesnt sell just the gear or synchros, you have to buy the whole gearset

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Agreed bad synchros or an owner that needs driving lessons. If you look at the wear pattern, the edge chips seem to be clear of where the gears mesh when fully engaged so he might be able to run it as is.... after filing down the rough edge where cracks can form.

I've had great luck bead blasting gears for reliability and it's cheap, something that anyone can do themselves.

libert69

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since i didnt have a press or the tools to disassemble the shafts, im not cryo treating anything.

those type-s gears only had 28k miles on them according to the owner. might have been his first m/t car if those chips are from mis-shifts lol

gears are in florida with a 04 trans getting inspected and assembled

Xiomaro

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Good luck with the S gears, but don't get to comfy cuz they could strip just like mine

pass427

^^ judging your Trans it had an issue before even hearing the word turbo ,judging weve seen upwards of 500lb tq on those Trans ,and even on mine which was abused rather than babied Around ......

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Any chance of bead blasting the gears before assembly? It's free if you can find a place to allow you to do it yourself or very cheap if you pay someone. It can *slightly* stress relieve the gears but mostly it will lower the demands on the oil.

Xiomaro

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True, but still, we know something has to be done or they're just gona keep blowin out on us

libert69

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so this is how i pass my time when I dont have my car

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What's the word on your swap? It's been quiet.

I always wanted a street bike but I know I'd get myself in trouble. Every time I think I am going to go for one, I see a trauma show where a biker took a dump. Just watched one where there dude lost both hands and one foot after a crash.

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Wow Bert, be careful out there. I know a guy that races bikes and is an instructor but won't ride one on the street because of the unknowns and typical bad drivers.

Xiomaro

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not sure whats up with my stuff...