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Got everything back in the car and was updating the firmware when my damn tablet fell out of the keyboard and lost comms with the MS3. Load aborted and lost everything.
So I spent time loading firmware, setting cals and getting the tune back. So I will know tomorrow if my wiring is ok.
I'm going to vary the vtec point to make sure I don't throw a CEL or go into limp mode as Inacc describes and then it's off to the tuner....But first have to document everything so they know what they're working on. They start from scratch and don't base their tunes on tweaking others attempts. I was happy to hear that.
So I spent time loading firmware, setting cals and getting the tune back. So I will know tomorrow if my wiring is ok.
I'm going to vary the vtec point to make sure I don't throw a CEL or go into limp mode as Inacc describes and then it's off to the tuner....But first have to document everything so they know what they're working on. They start from scratch and don't base their tunes on tweaking others attempts. I was happy to hear that.
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Well done Kurt....
any chances of you sharing the wiring diagram and the relay you got for us noobs
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I used locally available relays from Radio Shack. Make sure you get the 12v version, they carry it and a 120V version.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=2049722#
Relay #1 - For the Factory ECU side (Plug on Harness):
Pin 1 - VTPSW (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 8 - SG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
Relay #2 - For the MS3 Side (Socket on Harness):
Pin 3 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VVT (MS/3)
Pin 8 - IG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
I used Generic PWM A (This isn't how mine is set, I don't have it on this machine)
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=2049722#
Relay #1 - For the Factory ECU side (Plug on Harness):
Pin 1 - VTPSW (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 8 - SG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
Relay #2 - For the MS3 Side (Socket on Harness):
Pin 3 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VVT (MS/3)
Pin 8 - IG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
I used Generic PWM A (This isn't how mine is set, I don't have it on this machine)
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#2686
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Thanks alot Kurt. Just one point of clarification... What does 'intercept' mean versus 'tap'? Im having a hard time understanding what you mean there. (Then again, i havent looked at the harness in person recently). THANKS.
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Thanks for that. In addition, couldnt two SPDT relays be used instead? Nothing is connected to pins 2,4,6 (the second pole/throw) and it looks like in the earlier picture you posted that you were possibly using a SPDT for one of the relays. Im guessing perhaps you just couldnt locate another SPDT quickly to complete the project?
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you guys are taking me back to my electronics class...
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Thanks for that. In addition, couldnt two SPDT relays be used instead? Nothing is connected to pins 2,4,6 (the second pole/throw) and it looks like in the earlier picture you posted that you were possibly using a SPDT for one of the relays. Im guessing perhaps you just couldnt locate another SPDT quickly to complete the project?
If you are ordering specifically for this, a spst can be used, NO for MS3-vtec control, NC for the factory ECU.
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I'm sorry, what does all this mean?
#2693
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All it means is there is slightly different route that you could go with which type of relay you purchase. SPST (single pole; single throw) relays can work as well, its just that they typically aren't available locally so Kurt went with a DPDT/SPST "mix matched" setup.
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^mine just sold within 4 days of being listed, so people are def interested in this product.
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I used locally available relays from Radio Shack. Make sure you get the 12v version, they carry it and a 120V version.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=2049722#
Relay #1 - For the Factory ECU side (Plug on Harness):
Pin 1 - VTPSW (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 8 - SG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
Relay #2 - For the MS3 Side (Socket on Harness):
Pin 3 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VVT (MS/3)
Pin 8 - IG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
I used Generic PWM A (This isn't how mine is set, I don't have it on this machine)
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=2049722#
Relay #1 - For the Factory ECU side (Plug on Harness):
Pin 1 - VTPSW (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 8 - SG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
Relay #2 - For the MS3 Side (Socket on Harness):
Pin 3 - VTS (intercept)
Pin 5 - Jumped to Pin 8
Pin 7 - VVT (MS/3)
Pin 8 - IG2 (tap)
All other pins were cut off
I used Generic PWM A (This isn't how mine is set, I don't have it on this machine)
#2699
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Finally able to give VE Analyze Live a try. It was amazing to watch my idle go from the 12's to the target A/F and I could hear the idle smooth out as the red "I'm adjusting" indicator blinked constantly.
I kept the update box checked and took a casual run and also watched the A/F go from constant 12's to 13's/14's and 15's when I don't move the throttle like highway cruising.
Got home and burned the results. I need to do some logging and tune comparisons to what it was originally to what tunerstudio changed but it is a very cool feature.
I kept the update box checked and took a casual run and also watched the A/F go from constant 12's to 13's/14's and 15's when I don't move the throttle like highway cruising.
Got home and burned the results. I need to do some logging and tune comparisons to what it was originally to what tunerstudio changed but it is a very cool feature.
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An update on my 'Live Tune' experience.
I let the program actually do a live update as I was driving and I watched to make sure I was covering a certain range. The update light was constantly blinking. I burned the changes, turned off the engine and sat for a few minutes.
I found that the corrections really hurt the stability of the tune. Startups became more difficult and although the idle improved, any load on the engine at idle sent it into an oscillating loop. Also found the same for steady state throttle. It would hunt around as if it didn't know what A/F it wanted.
Went back to the original tune and although I still have a dip in RPM when I come to a stop, the driveability and stable A/F returned. Also high fuel consumption.
From what Bert says, Rodney finds that keeping the A/F mixture rich at idle helps with stability with load (A/C on etc). The bottom line appears to be that the only way to approach my tune is to log the VE Analyze results offline and just grab problem areas.
I let the program actually do a live update as I was driving and I watched to make sure I was covering a certain range. The update light was constantly blinking. I burned the changes, turned off the engine and sat for a few minutes.
I found that the corrections really hurt the stability of the tune. Startups became more difficult and although the idle improved, any load on the engine at idle sent it into an oscillating loop. Also found the same for steady state throttle. It would hunt around as if it didn't know what A/F it wanted.
Went back to the original tune and although I still have a dip in RPM when I come to a stop, the driveability and stable A/F returned. Also high fuel consumption.
From what Bert says, Rodney finds that keeping the A/F mixture rich at idle helps with stability with load (A/C on etc). The bottom line appears to be that the only way to approach my tune is to log the VE Analyze results offline and just grab problem areas.
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^^^ Kurt what is your "starting point" for the VE Analyze?
Recently when speaking with Andy he mentioned you should have a starting point as a certain Engine Coolant Temp or Oil Temp or such....
Do you have something defined?
Recently when speaking with Andy he mentioned you should have a starting point as a certain Engine Coolant Temp or Oil Temp or such....
Do you have something defined?
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need Andy to chime in here for that....
there is sooo much to learn from you guys
there is sooo much to learn from you guys
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texting Andy now LOL
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An update on my 'Live Tune' experience.
I let the program actually do a live update as I was driving and I watched to make sure I was covering a certain range. The update light was constantly blinking. I burned the changes, turned off the engine and sat for a few minutes.
I found that the corrections really hurt the stability of the tune. Startups became more difficult and although the idle improved, any load on the engine at idle sent it into an oscillating loop. Also found the same for steady state throttle. It would hunt around as if it didn't know what A/F it wanted.
Went back to the original tune and although I still have a dip in RPM when I come to a stop, the driveability and stable A/F returned. Also high fuel consumption.
From what Bert says, Rodney finds that keeping the A/F mixture rich at idle helps with stability with load (A/C on etc). The bottom line appears to be that the only way to approach my tune is to log the VE Analyze results offline and just grab problem areas.
I let the program actually do a live update as I was driving and I watched to make sure I was covering a certain range. The update light was constantly blinking. I burned the changes, turned off the engine and sat for a few minutes.
I found that the corrections really hurt the stability of the tune. Startups became more difficult and although the idle improved, any load on the engine at idle sent it into an oscillating loop. Also found the same for steady state throttle. It would hunt around as if it didn't know what A/F it wanted.
Went back to the original tune and although I still have a dip in RPM when I come to a stop, the driveability and stable A/F returned. Also high fuel consumption.
From what Bert says, Rodney finds that keeping the A/F mixture rich at idle helps with stability with load (A/C on etc). The bottom line appears to be that the only way to approach my tune is to log the VE Analyze results offline and just grab problem areas.
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The only way to use auto tune is for targeting mid throttle (kpa range). Otherwise, if you are trying to fine tune drivability, autotune does more wrong than right..esecially just above idle rpm's which is what causes alot of surging issues. If you need to use it due to lack if a copilot when street tuning, the best work is done by using it to suggest where you may need fuel and then you can tweak it by hand....or you could always data log and just make more frequent changes until you get it right. This is all common stuff youve probably been thinking about but i just thought id throw it out there!
Have you been able to get a handle on the surging @ idle? Do you ever use your A/C?
Unfortunately, my wife is my primary co-pilot so I am really on my own. So I'll be using the log and tweak method. Started looking at that last night but didn't get very far.
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Ah, 100kpa == 100% fuelload? Do you have a suggested range for min/max fuelload and RPM for VE Analyze to do it's thing?
Have you been able to get a handle on the surging @ idle? Do you ever use your A/C?
Unfortunately, my wife is my primary co-pilot so I am really on my own. So I'll be using the log and tweak method. Started looking at that last night but didn't get very far.
Have you been able to get a handle on the surging @ idle? Do you ever use your A/C?
Unfortunately, my wife is my primary co-pilot so I am really on my own. So I'll be using the log and tweak method. Started looking at that last night but didn't get very far.
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LOL, Reading that again, it didn't come out right!
What's funny is when I first got the ECU, I almost got stranded twice where the car wouldn't fire off and she was also with me when the new fuel pump failed. She kept calling the car a piece of crap and I told her that she hurt it's feelings.
So went for a ride yesterday and she kept saying "Good Car".......
What's funny is when I first got the ECU, I almost got stranded twice where the car wouldn't fire off and she was also with me when the new fuel pump failed. She kept calling the car a piece of crap and I told her that she hurt it's feelings.
So went for a ride yesterday and she kept saying "Good Car".......
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^^^
my wife tells me something very very different (since I am still waiting on parts from Rodney)....she goes like "so you paid close to 2 grand to someone for some car part 9 months back and you still havent received all of it?"
"but babe it will give me 20 more horses"
we @ that point
my wife tells me something very very different (since I am still waiting on parts from Rodney)....she goes like "so you paid close to 2 grand to someone for some car part 9 months back and you still havent received all of it?"
"but babe it will give me 20 more horses"
we @ that point
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^^^
my wife tells me something very very different (since I am still waiting on parts from Rodney)....she goes like "so you paid close to 2 grand to someone for some car part 9 months back and you still havent received all of it?"
"but babe it will give me 20 more horses"
we @ that point
my wife tells me something very very different (since I am still waiting on parts from Rodney)....she goes like "so you paid close to 2 grand to someone for some car part 9 months back and you still havent received all of it?"
"but babe it will give me 20 more horses"
we @ that point
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yup my fiance hates driving in my car as well.
her : "it's so loud and low!!!"
me : "what??? i can't hear you babe you gotta speak up!"
long story short, she is usually the one driving us around in her car.
her : "it's so loud and low!!!"
me : "what??? i can't hear you babe you gotta speak up!"
long story short, she is usually the one driving us around in her car.
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damn....i guess i got lucky in that case....
my exhaust is loud as fuck....engine mounts are 60A....suspension is set to 3 clicks from the stiffest setting....racing seats so not much foam under the ass....and the chic doesnt complain....thats why i made her wifey
but in all seriousness, she has really been a sweetheart and helps/supports me for the mods....and we drive my car all the time LOL....her Lexus ES is basically just sitting in the car port....when am out working on the car, she will come down and chill with me....at times helps me with the ratchet and stuff....other times paints her nails
my exhaust is loud as fuck....engine mounts are 60A....suspension is set to 3 clicks from the stiffest setting....racing seats so not much foam under the ass....and the chic doesnt complain....thats why i made her wifey
but in all seriousness, she has really been a sweetheart and helps/supports me for the mods....and we drive my car all the time LOL....her Lexus ES is basically just sitting in the car port....when am out working on the car, she will come down and chill with me....at times helps me with the ratchet and stuff....other times paints her nails
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Ah, 100kpa == 100% fuelload? Do you have a suggested range for min/max fuelload and RPM for VE Analyze to do it's thing?
Have you been able to get a handle on the surging @ idle? Do you ever use your A/C?
Unfortunately, my wife is my primary co-pilot so I am really on my own. So I'll be using the log and tweak method. Started looking at that last night but didn't get very far.
Have you been able to get a handle on the surging @ idle? Do you ever use your A/C?
Unfortunately, my wife is my primary co-pilot so I am really on my own. So I'll be using the log and tweak method. Started looking at that last night but didn't get very far.
My AC works fine except for when the motor has been driven really hard then comes to a stop. A quick blip of the throttle may be required to remind it who's boss.
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