Group Buy for JnR ECU - Dyno's/Gains (12/23); Prices Posted (1/7)
#441
If the oem ecu sees any knocking from the oem knock sensor, it will retard the timing for a long time (approx 15 minutes). After the 15 minutes, the ecu will just partially restore the timing back to what it was beforehand. Furthermore, I would be a bit paranoid by *if* the knock sensor is picking-up rattling from something and making the oem ecu think that it is detonation.
I would honestly much rather be in control of the timing (and I currently am) than allowing the oem ecu to manage (too conservatively) the timing.
If a person cares to see my logic along these lines, one can find it here (click here).
I would honestly much rather be in control of the timing (and I currently am) than allowing the oem ecu to manage (too conservatively) the timing.
If a person cares to see my logic along these lines, one can find it here (click here).
The factory algorithm is a little conservative but better than nothing.
If you install this ECU without the added knock monitor, you don't have anything to detect or protect.
#443
I agree. If you are gonna to play with a knife, you need to know if you are bleeding.
#444
Several factors can induce this especially with the compression ratio we are running.
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SharksBreath (01-04-2012)
#445
I'm pretty sure its listed their website that the MS3 does not come with a controller and ANY wideband sensor used will need a controller to output the signal to it.
#446
I am referring to Rodney's implementation.
#447
I am just trying to clarify it for all since this can get pretty confusing having to think of what to add to get this up and running.
#448
So wanted to post some generic OBD data logging tools for those who just want to use the ECU as simple plug an play
http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/corve...i-scanner.html
http://www.obd2.com/scantool/mini-dl.htm
you have to remember though as KN stated it is conservative data but if you don’t want to go past the pre-maps of the ECU you should be fine. I would say run a log of pre JnR ECU, then a log of first run JnR ECU then just keep track from then on to make sure it stays close to your first JnR run
the next are threads I have on data logging.. as usually Innacurate has a thread from before Acura the brand was created J
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=780232
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=801734
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=842352
in all honesty there are a plethora of data loggers out there.. just look for OBD Data Loggers.. they will all tell you what your current ECU is doing.. since from what I understand the OEM ECU will still read the OEM O2 sensors if there is no wideband going to the JnR ECU
again, it is not a must have for the ECU upgrade but is a should have for any car with modifications
http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/corve...i-scanner.html
http://www.obd2.com/scantool/mini-dl.htm
you have to remember though as KN stated it is conservative data but if you don’t want to go past the pre-maps of the ECU you should be fine. I would say run a log of pre JnR ECU, then a log of first run JnR ECU then just keep track from then on to make sure it stays close to your first JnR run
the next are threads I have on data logging.. as usually Innacurate has a thread from before Acura the brand was created J
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=780232
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=801734
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=842352
in all honesty there are a plethora of data loggers out there.. just look for OBD Data Loggers.. they will all tell you what your current ECU is doing.. since from what I understand the OEM ECU will still read the OEM O2 sensors if there is no wideband going to the JnR ECU
again, it is not a must have for the ECU upgrade but is a should have for any car with modifications
#450
Just want to make sure folks understand, you dont need a wideband sensor. Want to make sure that is a clear statement
however for anyone who will do further fine tuning or want to have more control of their engine then a wideband is a tool you should have.. the same for the knock monitor
however for anyone who will do further fine tuning or want to have more control of their engine then a wideband is a tool you should have.. the same for the knock monitor
#451
I definitely feel the more options the better that way a person can decide what they want to do.
If we could get some updated breakdowns of the options with the costs of the additions it will make it easier for everyone to create their package and calculate their cost.
Kind of like how swoosh split the set ups but with prices.
(Guess this is pending vendor status but something everyone is keen to see)
In addition if we could get those dyno charts from 04 6MT w/ custom PCD and JnR ECU & VTEC Engagement Changes in jpg format as they're hard to see from the video alone.
There is still a lot of interest in this for the NA crowd.
Rodney should get someone to compile all the information from this thread and all the other pertinent threads into one.
I get most people will say that everyone wants everything to be spoon fed to them but thinking logically wouldn't you like to know everything about a product before making a decision.
There's a difference between saying I want proof and I want to know exactly how this works for my application; which is a reasonable question.
Products Being Offered
-Picture
-Description
-Benefit
-Video (if applicable)
-Dyno's (JPGS w/ Description of Mods)
-Cost
Packages (JnR/JnR+Knock+AFR/JnR+All etc)
-Products Included
-Reason they're packaged
-Pro's & Con's
-Price of each component
I am not saying that this information is not available or not known by some. (minus price) right now.
Its just that its all dispersed across numerous threads and on numerous sites.
Bring it all together in one and the information will flow and be more easily understood by those who have not gone FI before or tuned an ECU.
This will definitely increase interest as sometimes you want to see the information laid out in a logical manner before buying something.
Similar to how other vendors will outline their product, explain how it works and provide empirical data (dyno).
I would say 95 % of Acurazine as far as TL's are concerned are NA with a few SC and Turbo guys holding it down.
The main reason is due to the high cost of running FI on the TL which is understandable.
The market is there for NA its just a matter of gaining interest and getting the information out there for all to see.
Up until now this tool has been primarily utilized by the FI crowd.
The FI crowd forked out a premium and got the ball rolling so we should be thankful for them being the pioneers and for their help in this thread.
As NA'ers lets be aware of that and support Rodney in his endeavors by being patient and waiting to get all the information before jumping to conclusions.
If its outlined as above and addresses all the caveats for each type of end user I think he will see a definite increase pre and post-groupbuy sales to NA'ers.
If we could get some updated breakdowns of the options with the costs of the additions it will make it easier for everyone to create their package and calculate their cost.
Kind of like how swoosh split the set ups but with prices.
(Guess this is pending vendor status but something everyone is keen to see)
In addition if we could get those dyno charts from 04 6MT w/ custom PCD and JnR ECU & VTEC Engagement Changes in jpg format as they're hard to see from the video alone.
There is still a lot of interest in this for the NA crowd.
Rodney should get someone to compile all the information from this thread and all the other pertinent threads into one.
I get most people will say that everyone wants everything to be spoon fed to them but thinking logically wouldn't you like to know everything about a product before making a decision.
There's a difference between saying I want proof and I want to know exactly how this works for my application; which is a reasonable question.
Products Being Offered
-Picture
-Description
-Benefit
-Video (if applicable)
-Dyno's (JPGS w/ Description of Mods)
-Cost
Packages (JnR/JnR+Knock+AFR/JnR+All etc)
-Products Included
-Reason they're packaged
-Pro's & Con's
-Price of each component
I am not saying that this information is not available or not known by some. (minus price) right now.
Its just that its all dispersed across numerous threads and on numerous sites.
Bring it all together in one and the information will flow and be more easily understood by those who have not gone FI before or tuned an ECU.
This will definitely increase interest as sometimes you want to see the information laid out in a logical manner before buying something.
Similar to how other vendors will outline their product, explain how it works and provide empirical data (dyno).
I would say 95 % of Acurazine as far as TL's are concerned are NA with a few SC and Turbo guys holding it down.
The main reason is due to the high cost of running FI on the TL which is understandable.
The market is there for NA its just a matter of gaining interest and getting the information out there for all to see.
Up until now this tool has been primarily utilized by the FI crowd.
The FI crowd forked out a premium and got the ball rolling so we should be thankful for them being the pioneers and for their help in this thread.
As NA'ers lets be aware of that and support Rodney in his endeavors by being patient and waiting to get all the information before jumping to conclusions.
If its outlined as above and addresses all the caveats for each type of end user I think he will see a definite increase pre and post-groupbuy sales to NA'ers.
Last edited by TmaX; 01-04-2012 at 05:25 PM.
#452
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^^^ Tmax I completely understand to what you are saying....you (customers) have to realize this is not a jpipe, 1 model fits all....its more like a laptop....and if you dont know what you looking for and confuse Ram memory with HDD space, GOD BLESS YOU....
We are talking about adding a computer to the car and squeezing out every hp by NOT doing a mod but by tuning what we already have....and i will bet you, get 2 Type S MT, slap same mods on it...and throw in on the dyno a hundred times, the numbers will be different....that being said people who are asking for a dedicated tune, sorry but either you will have to go to a tuner OR drive down to Rodney....pick one
Now about your questions:
Page 5 has it....car made 271whp....
Trust me, every thread turns into the same....this is turning into "what air intake should I get" thread....there are 4-5 thread which have all the data....there are different people asking the SAME question in all the threads...if you are willing to fork out ~1500 and tune the car, i bet a research is required....otherwise you will end up with a blown motor....
I agree....we do need a picture....and let me add dimensions to it....
Description we have almost 30 pages of....
Benefit: see the videos again...
Videos and Dyno's: all of them are there
Cost: Will be disclosed
There are no predefined packages...its more like buy what fits your need + budget....Think about it this way:
ECU is needed
Do I need injectors ? NO then no need for pigtails and fuel pump
Knock Monitor and AFR controller, do i need it ? i dont WTF it is...then research it and make your decision...you have ample time....there are threads on threads discussing the same thing....even if you read this thread you will find the answers to your questions...
My point being, if your out to buy coilovers and you dont know what they do, there is no POINT !!!
The thing is not many people have this ECU....I thank HISPEED + KN_TL for chiming in....coz they are the one's rocking the ECU....
there IS NO one who is NA and has the ECU and chiming in....so thats the problem which we are facing....
about 95% of Azine being NA....out of that 30% dont know what ECU is, 30% are stock...30% are afraid as JnR is a new company and "ohhh its not plug and play like the exhaust"....9.999% are not interested in spending ~1500 bucks, remains the .0001% which are 18-20 people on the list....
I would suggest everyone to hold onto their horses....I have the list of pricing ready....I will be posting it the very minute, Rodney tells me he is a VENDOR.....
Once the pricing it out, it will help you decide whats going on....what is included....
But to sum the thread up:
ECU will help you control various parameters and help you gain horses....you will be able to see how the engine is running using couple tools.
NEEDED
Knock Monitor will help you monitor knock which in turn will help you tune the car to the edge. To monitor this you will need the knock monitor...
RECOMMENDED
AFR means Air Fuel Ratio....a very important parameter which basically tells if your running rich/lean. It is what mixture is burning in your engine....To monitor this you will need a wideband sensor which will be welded on the exhaust around the 3rd cat area. This sensor will be connected to the controller which will feed the MS3 (ECU). Will see if Rodney can hook us up with great prices on these
RECOMMENDED
Injectors + Fuel Pump + Pigtails: If your looking at doing some FI or head worK this is a good opportunity to get a great price on this....
NOT REQUIRED FOR NA. ONLY FOR FI or SERIOUS TUNERS
DATA LOGGING/GAUGES: You will be able to connect various logging tools + displaying tools to this ECU. This will help you see what exactly is going on when you hit WOT or are idling. Many hardwares allow you to download data and look into it and tune your car accordingly. Will ask Rodney if he can include this as well.
NOT REQUIRED FOR NA. ONLY FOR FI or SERIOUS TUNERS
BASE MAP: the ECU will come with a base map. The base map will be different for MT/AT and Base and Type S models. This map will be based on the TEST vehicle. If you have different mods than the TEST car you can still run with this base map.
INCLUDED
TUNING: The process of modifying/tuning the base map to fit the mods on your car. The ECU is ofcourse tunable....ways to tune it is either pay a professional tuner and get it done or get the EFI so it tunes the car while you drive....
RECOMMEND EITHER ONE
I hope i didnt miss out on anything....sorry for the long ass post...
We are talking about adding a computer to the car and squeezing out every hp by NOT doing a mod but by tuning what we already have....and i will bet you, get 2 Type S MT, slap same mods on it...and throw in on the dyno a hundred times, the numbers will be different....that being said people who are asking for a dedicated tune, sorry but either you will have to go to a tuner OR drive down to Rodney....pick one
Now about your questions:
There is still a lot of interest in this for the NA crowd.
Rodney should get someone to compile all the information from this thread and all the other pertinent threads into one.
I get most people will say that everyone wants everything to be spoon fed to them but thinking logically wouldn't you like to know everything about a product before making a decision.
There's a difference between saying I want proof and I want to know exactly how this works for my application; which is a reasonable question.
Rodney should get someone to compile all the information from this thread and all the other pertinent threads into one.
I get most people will say that everyone wants everything to be spoon fed to them but thinking logically wouldn't you like to know everything about a product before making a decision.
There's a difference between saying I want proof and I want to know exactly how this works for my application; which is a reasonable question.
Products Being Offered
-Picture
-Description
-Benefit
-Video (if applicable)
-Dyno's (JPGS w/ Description of Mods)
-Cost
Packages (JnR/JnR+Knock+AFR/JnR+All etc)
-Products Included
-Reason they're packaged
-Pro's & Con's
-Price of each component
I am not saying that this information is not available or not known by some. (minus price) right now.
-Picture
-Description
-Benefit
-Video (if applicable)
-Dyno's (JPGS w/ Description of Mods)
-Cost
Packages (JnR/JnR+Knock+AFR/JnR+All etc)
-Products Included
-Reason they're packaged
-Pro's & Con's
-Price of each component
I am not saying that this information is not available or not known by some. (minus price) right now.
Description we have almost 30 pages of....
Benefit: see the videos again...
Videos and Dyno's: all of them are there
Cost: Will be disclosed
There are no predefined packages...its more like buy what fits your need + budget....Think about it this way:
ECU is needed
Do I need injectors ? NO then no need for pigtails and fuel pump
Knock Monitor and AFR controller, do i need it ? i dont WTF it is...then research it and make your decision...you have ample time....there are threads on threads discussing the same thing....even if you read this thread you will find the answers to your questions...
My point being, if your out to buy coilovers and you dont know what they do, there is no POINT !!!
Its just that its all dispersed across numerous threads and on numerous sites.
Bring it all together in one and the information will flow and be more easily understood by those who have not gone FI before or tuned an ECU.
This will definitely increase interest as sometimes you want to see the information laid out in a logical manner before buying something.
Similar to how other vendors will outline their product, explain how it works and provide empirical data (dyno).
I would say 95 % of Acurazine as far as TL's are concerned are NA with a few SC and Turbo guys holding it down.
The main reason is due to the high cost of running FI on the TL which is understandable.
The market is there for NA its just a matter of gaining interest and getting the information out there for all to see.
Up until now this tool has been primarily utilized by the FI crowd.
The FI crowd forked out a premium and got the ball rolling so we should be thankful for them being the pioneers and for their help in this thread.
As NA'ers lets be aware of that and support Rodney in his endeavors by being patient and waiting to get all the information before jumping to conclusions.
If its outlined as above and addresses all the caveats for each type of end user I think he will see a definite increase pre and post-groupbuy sales to NA'ers.
Bring it all together in one and the information will flow and be more easily understood by those who have not gone FI before or tuned an ECU.
This will definitely increase interest as sometimes you want to see the information laid out in a logical manner before buying something.
Similar to how other vendors will outline their product, explain how it works and provide empirical data (dyno).
I would say 95 % of Acurazine as far as TL's are concerned are NA with a few SC and Turbo guys holding it down.
The main reason is due to the high cost of running FI on the TL which is understandable.
The market is there for NA its just a matter of gaining interest and getting the information out there for all to see.
Up until now this tool has been primarily utilized by the FI crowd.
The FI crowd forked out a premium and got the ball rolling so we should be thankful for them being the pioneers and for their help in this thread.
As NA'ers lets be aware of that and support Rodney in his endeavors by being patient and waiting to get all the information before jumping to conclusions.
If its outlined as above and addresses all the caveats for each type of end user I think he will see a definite increase pre and post-groupbuy sales to NA'ers.
there IS NO one who is NA and has the ECU and chiming in....so thats the problem which we are facing....
about 95% of Azine being NA....out of that 30% dont know what ECU is, 30% are stock...30% are afraid as JnR is a new company and "ohhh its not plug and play like the exhaust"....9.999% are not interested in spending ~1500 bucks, remains the .0001% which are 18-20 people on the list....
I would suggest everyone to hold onto their horses....I have the list of pricing ready....I will be posting it the very minute, Rodney tells me he is a VENDOR.....
Once the pricing it out, it will help you decide whats going on....what is included....
But to sum the thread up:
ECU will help you control various parameters and help you gain horses....you will be able to see how the engine is running using couple tools.
NEEDED
Knock Monitor will help you monitor knock which in turn will help you tune the car to the edge. To monitor this you will need the knock monitor...
RECOMMENDED
AFR means Air Fuel Ratio....a very important parameter which basically tells if your running rich/lean. It is what mixture is burning in your engine....To monitor this you will need a wideband sensor which will be welded on the exhaust around the 3rd cat area. This sensor will be connected to the controller which will feed the MS3 (ECU). Will see if Rodney can hook us up with great prices on these
RECOMMENDED
Injectors + Fuel Pump + Pigtails: If your looking at doing some FI or head worK this is a good opportunity to get a great price on this....
NOT REQUIRED FOR NA. ONLY FOR FI or SERIOUS TUNERS
DATA LOGGING/GAUGES: You will be able to connect various logging tools + displaying tools to this ECU. This will help you see what exactly is going on when you hit WOT or are idling. Many hardwares allow you to download data and look into it and tune your car accordingly. Will ask Rodney if he can include this as well.
NOT REQUIRED FOR NA. ONLY FOR FI or SERIOUS TUNERS
BASE MAP: the ECU will come with a base map. The base map will be different for MT/AT and Base and Type S models. This map will be based on the TEST vehicle. If you have different mods than the TEST car you can still run with this base map.
INCLUDED
TUNING: The process of modifying/tuning the base map to fit the mods on your car. The ECU is ofcourse tunable....ways to tune it is either pay a professional tuner and get it done or get the EFI so it tunes the car while you drive....
RECOMMEND EITHER ONE
I hope i didnt miss out on anything....sorry for the long ass post...
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Noober (01-05-2012)
#453
Just want to make sure folks understand, you dont need a wideband sensor. Want to make sure that is a clear statement
however for anyone who will do further fine tuning or want to have more control of their engine then a wideband is a tool you should have.. the same for the knock monitor
however for anyone who will do further fine tuning or want to have more control of their engine then a wideband is a tool you should have.. the same for the knock monitor
#454
DATA LOGGING/GAUGES: You will be able to connect various logging tools + displaying tools to this ECU. This will help you see what exactly is going on when you hit WOT or are idling. Many hardwares allow you to download data and look into it and tune your car accordingly. Will ask Rodney if he can include this as well.
NOT REQUIRED FOR NA. ONLY FOR FI or SERIOUS TUNERS
NOT REQUIRED FOR NA. ONLY FOR FI or SERIOUS TUNERS
TunerStudio, which is used to look at and modify the maps along with a dashboard for displaying various engine parameters. It also has logging capability and there is also some other log viewing programs that can be used on various platforms in combination with a PC connected via usb or smart device using a wifi to serial adapter.
You can also setup the data logging via TunerStudio to write to an SD card that is part of the ECU itself. It can be triggered via a button or run continuously. More details can be found here:
http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/sdlogging.html
If you want to log data from the factory ECU, then the OBD-II scanners are what you want and there are a bunch of solutions for this combination out there.. I wouldn't bother myself but that is an option.
#455
if the MS3 is premapped and a person dont want to fine tune then you dont need the wideband...
the OBD loggers will tell you if anything is extremely abnormal.. but as you said KN, it is very conservative..
just trying to let folks who dont want to get deep into the editing options the opportunity to still to purchase JnR ECU
the OBD loggers will tell you if anything is extremely abnormal.. but as you said KN, it is very conservative..
just trying to let folks who dont want to get deep into the editing options the opportunity to still to purchase JnR ECU
#456
I'm not saying I don't know the above stated added information but rather it would be beneficial to compile it in one place.
I've read both threads in their entirity and thought to myself what if it were all summarized in Post #1.
This might just be because I'm used to writing essays and organizing information.
For a product of this stature it does itself good to have the information organized as such.
For the skeptics that out there this approach would help qualm their concerns.
My suggestions are just that suggestions meant to help this ECU be a big hit and promote future business for JnR.
This is so that they can continue to be pioneers in the TL platform like the new module to take automatic transmission control for us 5AT folk
I've read both threads in their entirity and thought to myself what if it were all summarized in Post #1.
This might just be because I'm used to writing essays and organizing information.
For a product of this stature it does itself good to have the information organized as such.
For the skeptics that out there this approach would help qualm their concerns.
My suggestions are just that suggestions meant to help this ECU be a big hit and promote future business for JnR.
This is so that they can continue to be pioneers in the TL platform like the new module to take automatic transmission control for us 5AT folk
#457
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^^^ I agree with you bro....but its not like the functionality are predefined...we are constantly finding new things to do with this....
Rodney is currently working on something which will make our auto tranny's a monster and we might be able to control this using the MS3....so its always something new....
but i concur to your comment....let me try to gather all the info from the 3-4 threads and make a long ass essay LMAO...
Rodney is currently working on something which will make our auto tranny's a monster and we might be able to control this using the MS3....so its always something new....
but i concur to your comment....let me try to gather all the info from the 3-4 threads and make a long ass essay LMAO...
#458
if the MS3 is premapped and a person dont want to fine tune then you dont need the wideband...
the OBD loggers will tell you if anything is extremely abnormal.. but as you said KN, it is very conservative..
just trying to let folks who dont want to get deep into the editing options the opportunity to still to purchase JnR ECU
the OBD loggers will tell you if anything is extremely abnormal.. but as you said KN, it is very conservative..
just trying to let folks who dont want to get deep into the editing options the opportunity to still to purchase JnR ECU
I wouldn't want to run this way even N/A but if you have precats and can't run an additional O2 sensor, then that is your only choice.
#459
Just getting it back on track
1. ANIL - 05 5AT - swoosh - SURE AS HELL
2. Justin Myers - '06 6MT - justnspace - Credit card ready
3. Justin Rogers- '04 AT - j-rogsuperstar
4. Champ - 06 AT - TheChamp531 - ready
5. phatrick34 - 06 base MT - phatrick
6. Jack213 - 05 AT supercharge
7. fenda rolla - 07 base AT - SURE AS HEAVEN, bitches...
8. InFaMouS LinK - 06 6speed- ECU,Injectors, Fuel Assembly
9. Bouncer07- 05 TL 6spd
10. r3devi7 - '04 AT - Debit card ready....BALLIN' !!!
11. Joey tl - 04 TL
12. Dstah - 07 tl-s 6speed
13. Sharksbreath - 07 TL-S AT 100% GOOD TO GO
14. Anon Person- Wanted to keep the mods under the wraps so PM-ed me to add his name on the list. SURE AS HELL via PM
15. Joe Manteiga 06 AT - sloppyjoe92
16. t0talacuratl - 04 TL 6spd - ready for sure
17. Noober - 07 TL-S 5AT - Ready Pending Price
18. Feji - FCVADI - 04 6MT
19.
and now reset and discuss again!!!
1. ANIL - 05 5AT - swoosh - SURE AS HELL
2. Justin Myers - '06 6MT - justnspace - Credit card ready
3. Justin Rogers- '04 AT - j-rogsuperstar
4. Champ - 06 AT - TheChamp531 - ready
5. phatrick34 - 06 base MT - phatrick
6. Jack213 - 05 AT supercharge
7. fenda rolla - 07 base AT - SURE AS HEAVEN, bitches...
8. InFaMouS LinK - 06 6speed- ECU,Injectors, Fuel Assembly
9. Bouncer07- 05 TL 6spd
10. r3devi7 - '04 AT - Debit card ready....BALLIN' !!!
11. Joey tl - 04 TL
12. Dstah - 07 tl-s 6speed
13. Sharksbreath - 07 TL-S AT 100% GOOD TO GO
14. Anon Person- Wanted to keep the mods under the wraps so PM-ed me to add his name on the list. SURE AS HELL via PM
15. Joe Manteiga 06 AT - sloppyjoe92
16. t0talacuratl - 04 TL 6spd - ready for sure
17. Noober - 07 TL-S 5AT - Ready Pending Price
18. Feji - FCVADI - 04 6MT
19.
and now reset and discuss again!!!
#460
you can still run the sensor near the 3rd cat/test pipe location tho, correct?
#461
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^^^ NO
KN is talking about OEM Precats. The sensor has to be BEFORE any cat....so for people running OEM PRECAT they will have to wire a bung right next to the stock O2 sensor or take a reading from the O2 sensor....
If you have precat deletes, your good
KN is talking about OEM Precats. The sensor has to be BEFORE any cat....so for people running OEM PRECAT they will have to wire a bung right next to the stock O2 sensor or take a reading from the O2 sensor....
If you have precat deletes, your good
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SharksBreath (01-05-2012)
#462
If someone really wants to keep their factory precats I suppose you could install o2 sensor simulators to fool the factory ECU avoiding a CEL and then find a narrowband o2 sensor that can handle the extreme temperature and connect it directly to the MS3.
Not as accurate as the wideband but to me would be better than fixed.
Not as accurate as the wideband but to me would be better than fixed.
#463
been trading emails with rodney, here are a few that i felt would be helpful for the community.
Aaron in n/a application weve seen an increase of 25+whp and remember all dynos read different so another Dyno may register higher ,and numbers sre grester on street than on Dyno as theres more air ect .
With supporting mods you have thay should be more than achieveable ...
Now for n/a applicaton a wideband sensor is really not needed .(why)? Once tune is set it does not change ,the maps we have has been verified and tested so maps are pretty dead on ,and most people probably will be heading to the Dyno where they all have wideband which theyll use to fine tune the car ,so unless you are a tuner who will be tuning car it is not necessary for boosted application we do recommend it .....
As far as knock unit we recommend it for boosted applications ,for n/a we dont stress this, as the oem ecu and knock sensor still will detect any problem if any occurs but wont be able to pull timing as now it will only detect ...
Ill go ahead and say if your a regular racer go ahead and get knock box if not I would just opt for ecu ,in short if I were buying ecu I would maybe and maybe only opt to get knock box if funds are available, wodeband I wouldnt unless boosted or you just want some gauges .I really hope this help email me for any questions I overlooked...
the tune is set for the cars already so just plugging on ecu you will be fine ,if your tring to extract every bit of power out of ecu ,a local tuner can rin car on Dyno and make adjustments might be able to pick up a few whp ,but like I said this is not a necessity.
According to your upgrades we will send corresponding map closest to your setup ,which means I wont be sending a tune with oem cats but rather one with all upgrades.
let me try to make it easy weve extracted 25+whp ,of youre looking for more then bring car to get fine tuned at a Dyno which there and then youll see a/f ratio ect ...
All cars a bit different ,with fine tuni.g more power can be made ....
Aaron in n/a application weve seen an increase of 25+whp and remember all dynos read different so another Dyno may register higher ,and numbers sre grester on street than on Dyno as theres more air ect .
With supporting mods you have thay should be more than achieveable ...
Now for n/a applicaton a wideband sensor is really not needed .(why)? Once tune is set it does not change ,the maps we have has been verified and tested so maps are pretty dead on ,and most people probably will be heading to the Dyno where they all have wideband which theyll use to fine tune the car ,so unless you are a tuner who will be tuning car it is not necessary for boosted application we do recommend it .....
As far as knock unit we recommend it for boosted applications ,for n/a we dont stress this, as the oem ecu and knock sensor still will detect any problem if any occurs but wont be able to pull timing as now it will only detect ...
Ill go ahead and say if your a regular racer go ahead and get knock box if not I would just opt for ecu ,in short if I were buying ecu I would maybe and maybe only opt to get knock box if funds are available, wodeband I wouldnt unless boosted or you just want some gauges .I really hope this help email me for any questions I overlooked...
the tune is set for the cars already so just plugging on ecu you will be fine ,if your tring to extract every bit of power out of ecu ,a local tuner can rin car on Dyno and make adjustments might be able to pick up a few whp ,but like I said this is not a necessity.
According to your upgrades we will send corresponding map closest to your setup ,which means I wont be sending a tune with oem cats but rather one with all upgrades.
let me try to make it easy weve extracted 25+whp ,of youre looking for more then bring car to get fine tuned at a Dyno which there and then youll see a/f ratio ect ...
All cars a bit different ,with fine tuni.g more power can be made ....
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#465
^nah i know what you mean. i was just posting one complete consensus for the hell of it you know?
looks like for my needs, all i need is the ECU itself. i don't plan on going FI/turbo/cam work so i should be ok with just the ECU
looks like for my needs, all i need is the ECU itself. i don't plan on going FI/turbo/cam work so i should be ok with just the ECU
#467
Aaron , thanks for that post! It might have been said before, but for some reason, for me, that was crystal clear as to what we do and do not need. One piece of info that is new from that email, is that even though the stock knock sensor detects knock, the stock ECU will not cut timing...which is excellent!
Just ECU for me too...although it's nice to know i can tweak certain parameters if I still want to on my own...without a pro tuner...
Just ECU for me too...although it's nice to know i can tweak certain parameters if I still want to on my own...without a pro tuner...
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#468
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1. ANIL - 05 5AT - swoosh - SURE AS HELL
2. Justin Myers - '06 6MT - justnspace - Credit card ready
3. Justin Rogers- '04 AT - j-rogsuperstar
4. Champ - 06 AT - TheChamp531 - ready
5. phatrick34 - 06 base MT - phatrick
6. Jack213 - 05 AT supercharge
7. fenda rolla - 07 base AT - SURE AS HEAVEN, bitches...
8. InFaMouS LinK - 06 6speed- ECU,Injectors, Fuel Assembly
9. Bouncer07- 05 TL 6spd
10. r3devi7 - '04 AT - Debit card ready....BALLIN' !!!
11. Joey tl - 04 TL
12. Dstah - 07 tl-s 6speed
13. Sharksbreath - 07 TL-S AT 100% GOOD TO GO
14. Anon Person- Wanted to keep the mods under the wraps so PM-ed me to add his name on the list. SURE AS HELL via PM
15. Joe Manteiga 06 AT - sloppyjoe92
16. t0talacuratl - 04 TL 6spd - ready for sure
17. Noober - 07 TL-S 5AT - Ready Pending Price
18. Feji - FCVADI - 04 6MT
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20.
Come on fellas lets make 20 orders
2. Justin Myers - '06 6MT - justnspace - Credit card ready
3. Justin Rogers- '04 AT - j-rogsuperstar
4. Champ - 06 AT - TheChamp531 - ready
5. phatrick34 - 06 base MT - phatrick
6. Jack213 - 05 AT supercharge
7. fenda rolla - 07 base AT - SURE AS HEAVEN, bitches...
8. InFaMouS LinK - 06 6speed- ECU,Injectors, Fuel Assembly
9. Bouncer07- 05 TL 6spd
10. r3devi7 - '04 AT - Debit card ready....BALLIN' !!!
11. Joey tl - 04 TL
12. Dstah - 07 tl-s 6speed
13. Sharksbreath - 07 TL-S AT 100% GOOD TO GO
14. Anon Person- Wanted to keep the mods under the wraps so PM-ed me to add his name on the list. SURE AS HELL via PM
15. Joe Manteiga 06 AT - sloppyjoe92
16. t0talacuratl - 04 TL 6spd - ready for sure
17. Noober - 07 TL-S 5AT - Ready Pending Price
18. Feji - FCVADI - 04 6MT
19.
20.
Come on fellas lets make 20 orders
#469
1. ANIL - 05 5AT - swoosh - SURE AS HELL
2. Justin Myers - '06 6MT - justnspace - Credit card ready
3. Justin Rogers- '04 AT - j-rogsuperstar
4. Champ - 06 AT - TheChamp531 - ready
5. phatrick34 - 06 base MT - phatrick
6. Jack213 - 05 AT supercharge
7. fenda rolla - 07 base AT - SURE AS HEAVEN, bitches...
8. InFaMouS LinK - 06 6speed- ECU,Injectors, Fuel Assembly
9. Bouncer07- 05 TL 6spd
10. r3devi7 - '04 AT - Debit card ready....BALLIN' !!!
11. Joey tl - 04 TL
12. Dstah - 07 tl-s 6speed
13. Sharksbreath - 07 TL-S AT 100% GOOD TO GO
14. Anon Person- Wanted to keep the mods under the wraps so PM-ed me to add his name on the list. SURE AS HELL via PM
15. Joe Manteiga 06 AT - sloppyjoe92
16. t0talacuratl - 04 TL 6spd - ready for sure
17. Noober - 07 TL-S 5AT - Ready Pending Price
18. Feji - FCVADI - 04 6MT
19. Black07tls - 5AT (pcds, rv6 v3 jpipe, aem v2)- Cash in Hand
20.
2. Justin Myers - '06 6MT - justnspace - Credit card ready
3. Justin Rogers- '04 AT - j-rogsuperstar
4. Champ - 06 AT - TheChamp531 - ready
5. phatrick34 - 06 base MT - phatrick
6. Jack213 - 05 AT supercharge
7. fenda rolla - 07 base AT - SURE AS HEAVEN, bitches...
8. InFaMouS LinK - 06 6speed- ECU,Injectors, Fuel Assembly
9. Bouncer07- 05 TL 6spd
10. r3devi7 - '04 AT - Debit card ready....BALLIN' !!!
11. Joey tl - 04 TL
12. Dstah - 07 tl-s 6speed
13. Sharksbreath - 07 TL-S AT 100% GOOD TO GO
14. Anon Person- Wanted to keep the mods under the wraps so PM-ed me to add his name on the list. SURE AS HELL via PM
15. Joe Manteiga 06 AT - sloppyjoe92
16. t0talacuratl - 04 TL 6spd - ready for sure
17. Noober - 07 TL-S 5AT - Ready Pending Price
18. Feji - FCVADI - 04 6MT
19. Black07tls - 5AT (pcds, rv6 v3 jpipe, aem v2)- Cash in Hand
20.
#471
Okay sorry to keep yall out of the loop on my tune session down in Florida with Rodney.....
First off i just want to say Rodney is 100% legit he knows his stuff and the customer service is just outstanding! aka he is a kool ass mothaa efferrrr....Thanks again for everything Rodney
I really had no mobile device with me to post anything while on vacation and the time i had in a house i was just to busy to sit and post info of the tune!!
I was rushing so much that when I left the dyno shop I forgot to grab my printouts and so did Rodney!!
So it's late now but I will post some videos of my runs and couple of graphs during the tuning session!
the final numbers were 281whp/246lbs compared to initial run with no ECU which was 260whp/222lbs so the gains were very nice to say the least..... I was just impressed on how the torque curve was a nice flatline almost all the way to redline
Rodney and Doc were pretty easy and kool to deal with. Even after the dyno I went on the road with Doc(tuner) and street dyno'd and made some fine tweaks here and there where we were getting some knock and lag or what not.... needless to say when it was all said and done the diffirence felt was night and day just amazing how much the car woke up after this ECU!!!
and yess I only got ECU installed and it literally took 5minutes to install jusyt very super easy to do and really nothing to it (i chose to place it on pass side upfront under carpet there is a slight bulge that is really not noticeable and my wife did not notice anything either and even if someone were to put their foot on it i mean its a solid black box and nothing is going to happen to it
The drive back was flawless no issues i drove from 70degrees to 9degrees back home and thru elevations from sea level to as high as 2850ft and no issues were noticed
some minor concerns which is being worked by Rodney as we speak is the governor on the auto trans.......
we were able to get the fuel cut off removed and on the dyno we did manage a pull where car reached 152mph but for some reason on the street it would not go past 132-135mph which Rodney is aware and will address to me what needs to be done....but this is only for auto guys and for people who want to governor removed if not then you have no worries
I have not emailed Rodney on this issue but in the morning cold weather the car is being a bitch to start usually its taking me 5minutes of cranking to start and yes Rodney even doing the cycles it is still just cranking but once it starts it runs fine and won't do it again till next cold morning!!!
I am not worried as Rodney is working hard and I am in no rush to get this solved as it does not really bother me much......
JnRECU will not throw a code or for me at least it has not... I also did a EGR delete and this will throw a CEL code, but very easy to put back in and reset and get vehicle stickered for all us state inspections ppl!!! Also remember dont just clear code day before inspection and bring it in as the readiness codes will not be ready and you will fail!!! vehicle will need to be driven usually for couple of days with plenty of city.highway crusing to get codes ready or you can just do a drive cycle which I happen to do at my job so if anyone is interested in this just shoot me a pm and I can gladly explain the drive cycle which takes anywhere between 30-45minutes to get codes ready..
Ok enough for tonight anything I left out just ask and I will try to respond to, also I will try to get the videos up by tommorow late in the day after I get off work if not tommorow then by weekend for sure......
For anyone still debating on getting this ECU I say do it and you will not look back and be glad you made the purchase..... Rodney thanks again and glad you were able to squeeze me in on the 30th at around 9pm to like midnight yesss that is what I call working with customer hours...unheard of around my way.....
First off i just want to say Rodney is 100% legit he knows his stuff and the customer service is just outstanding! aka he is a kool ass mothaa efferrrr....Thanks again for everything Rodney
I really had no mobile device with me to post anything while on vacation and the time i had in a house i was just to busy to sit and post info of the tune!!
I was rushing so much that when I left the dyno shop I forgot to grab my printouts and so did Rodney!!
So it's late now but I will post some videos of my runs and couple of graphs during the tuning session!
the final numbers were 281whp/246lbs compared to initial run with no ECU which was 260whp/222lbs so the gains were very nice to say the least..... I was just impressed on how the torque curve was a nice flatline almost all the way to redline
Rodney and Doc were pretty easy and kool to deal with. Even after the dyno I went on the road with Doc(tuner) and street dyno'd and made some fine tweaks here and there where we were getting some knock and lag or what not.... needless to say when it was all said and done the diffirence felt was night and day just amazing how much the car woke up after this ECU!!!
and yess I only got ECU installed and it literally took 5minutes to install jusyt very super easy to do and really nothing to it (i chose to place it on pass side upfront under carpet there is a slight bulge that is really not noticeable and my wife did not notice anything either and even if someone were to put their foot on it i mean its a solid black box and nothing is going to happen to it
The drive back was flawless no issues i drove from 70degrees to 9degrees back home and thru elevations from sea level to as high as 2850ft and no issues were noticed
some minor concerns which is being worked by Rodney as we speak is the governor on the auto trans.......
we were able to get the fuel cut off removed and on the dyno we did manage a pull where car reached 152mph but for some reason on the street it would not go past 132-135mph which Rodney is aware and will address to me what needs to be done....but this is only for auto guys and for people who want to governor removed if not then you have no worries
I have not emailed Rodney on this issue but in the morning cold weather the car is being a bitch to start usually its taking me 5minutes of cranking to start and yes Rodney even doing the cycles it is still just cranking but once it starts it runs fine and won't do it again till next cold morning!!!
I am not worried as Rodney is working hard and I am in no rush to get this solved as it does not really bother me much......
JnRECU will not throw a code or for me at least it has not... I also did a EGR delete and this will throw a CEL code, but very easy to put back in and reset and get vehicle stickered for all us state inspections ppl!!! Also remember dont just clear code day before inspection and bring it in as the readiness codes will not be ready and you will fail!!! vehicle will need to be driven usually for couple of days with plenty of city.highway crusing to get codes ready or you can just do a drive cycle which I happen to do at my job so if anyone is interested in this just shoot me a pm and I can gladly explain the drive cycle which takes anywhere between 30-45minutes to get codes ready..
Ok enough for tonight anything I left out just ask and I will try to respond to, also I will try to get the videos up by tommorow late in the day after I get off work if not tommorow then by weekend for sure......
For anyone still debating on getting this ECU I say do it and you will not look back and be glad you made the purchase..... Rodney thanks again and glad you were able to squeeze me in on the 30th at around 9pm to like midnight yesss that is what I call working with customer hours...unheard of around my way.....
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#474
@BostonSilverTypeS
I experience the same sort of startup issue and I haven't tried it in the cold yet, this was in the warmer weather. Seems to need to crank for a couple seconds then fires right up.
I felt the same experience going from the FIC to the J&R. Night and day difference how the car woke up and was so responsive.
I experience the same sort of startup issue and I haven't tried it in the cold yet, this was in the warmer weather. Seems to need to crank for a couple seconds then fires right up.
I felt the same experience going from the FIC to the J&R. Night and day difference how the car woke up and was so responsive.
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#476
great review, boston. thanks!
so you said you experienced knock/lag and it had to be tweaked on the road? is it safe to assume that the rest of us will have that issue as well?
also the cold starts where you have to crank it for 5 minutes...? no thanks. what is the story behind that? kinda' worries me a little.
happy to hear that rodney will be going to bat for us 5AT guys with the governor removal and hopefully more. very interested in that feature.
again, thanks for the thourough review!
so you said you experienced knock/lag and it had to be tweaked on the road? is it safe to assume that the rest of us will have that issue as well?
also the cold starts where you have to crank it for 5 minutes...? no thanks. what is the story behind that? kinda' worries me a little.
happy to hear that rodney will be going to bat for us 5AT guys with the governor removal and hopefully more. very interested in that feature.
again, thanks for the thourough review!
#478
if somebody wants an inground pool built in their backyard in a kidney shape with pebbleteck flooring and marble coping blah blah blah...i help design it.
i'm looking for a new job tho...times are though and nobody is building $100k pools anymore.
anyway, back on topic! J&R ECU!!!
#479
I wouldn't be concerned about the startup. There are settings to tweak that.
The fact that for the same price as some catbacks, you can have a totally different ride.
If I hadn't already plunged into the turbo world, I would be all over this.
The fact that for the same price as some catbacks, you can have a totally different ride.
If I hadn't already plunged into the turbo world, I would be all over this.
#480
Awesome review Boston! I'm so excited for all you guys getting this ECU (and jealous). 21whp/24wtq is a great gain! That would lead me to believe that I'd gain similar numbers being that our mods are similar minus my ported manifold. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that sounds tasty.
I think I may try to tune myself with the FIC and see how that works out. If it doesn't go too well, I may decide to sell it. Hopefully my clutch will sell as well. I need it gone!
Good luck guys and I will definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.
I think I may try to tune myself with the FIC and see how that works out. If it doesn't go too well, I may decide to sell it. Hopefully my clutch will sell as well. I need it gone!
Good luck guys and I will definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.
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