Turbo build 2009 tsx k24z3
#601
Burning Brakes
Hey Utah, question... We have been talking exhaust, because we are wrapping up, and I have been thinking about replacing the mid pipe with a 3" and then lining up to the original y splitter.
I'm not really up on this, I'd rather do the single 3", but thought I would ask what you thought in regards to where the biggest choke point is on the oem exhaust. I am open to recommendations. Also, should we put in a flex pipe post the downpipe and cat?
They mounted the boost gauge/boost controller, on the side pocket by the drivers right knee, apparently it looks cool (haven't seen the car in like 5 weeks) and the boost controller is going to be mounted around the passenger strut tower.
Any suggestions/feedback?
I'm not really up on this, I'd rather do the single 3", but thought I would ask what you thought in regards to where the biggest choke point is on the oem exhaust. I am open to recommendations. Also, should we put in a flex pipe post the downpipe and cat?
They mounted the boost gauge/boost controller, on the side pocket by the drivers right knee, apparently it looks cool (haven't seen the car in like 5 weeks) and the boost controller is going to be mounted around the passenger strut tower.
Any suggestions/feedback?
#602
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Yeah
hey utah, question... We have been talking exhaust, because we are wrapping up, and i have been thinking about replacing the mid pipe with a 3" and then lining up to the original y splitter.
I'm not really up on this, i'd rather do the single 3", but thought i would ask what you thought in regards to where the biggest choke point is on the oem exhaust. I am open to recommendations. Also, should we put in a flex pipe post the downpipe and cat?
They mounted the boost gauge/boost controller, on the side pocket by the drivers right knee, apparently it looks cool (haven't seen the car in like 5 weeks) and the boost controller is going to be mounted around the passenger strut tower.
Any suggestions/feedback?
I'm not really up on this, i'd rather do the single 3", but thought i would ask what you thought in regards to where the biggest choke point is on the oem exhaust. I am open to recommendations. Also, should we put in a flex pipe post the downpipe and cat?
They mounted the boost gauge/boost controller, on the side pocket by the drivers right knee, apparently it looks cool (haven't seen the car in like 5 weeks) and the boost controller is going to be mounted around the passenger strut tower.
Any suggestions/feedback?
Flex pipe not needed your down pipe already has one.
#603
ROTAREDOM
Hey Utah, question... We have been talking exhaust, because we are wrapping up, and I have been thinking about replacing the mid pipe with a 3" and then lining up to the original y splitter.
I'm not really up on this, I'd rather do the single 3", but thought I would ask what you thought in regards to where the biggest choke point is on the oem exhaust. I am open to recommendations. Also, should we put in a flex pipe post the downpipe and cat?
They mounted the boost gauge/boost controller, on the side pocket by the drivers right knee, apparently it looks cool (haven't seen the car in like 5 weeks) and the boost controller is going to be mounted around the passenger strut tower.
Any suggestions/feedback?
I'm not really up on this, I'd rather do the single 3", but thought I would ask what you thought in regards to where the biggest choke point is on the oem exhaust. I am open to recommendations. Also, should we put in a flex pipe post the downpipe and cat?
They mounted the boost gauge/boost controller, on the side pocket by the drivers right knee, apparently it looks cool (haven't seen the car in like 5 weeks) and the boost controller is going to be mounted around the passenger strut tower.
Any suggestions/feedback?
#604
TSX AMG Type //M i-VVT
SC cars can use a boost guage also..
#605
Burning Brakes
S/C can use a boost gauge. The AEM is a boost gauge/boost controller in one... Looking forward to it.
#606
ROTAREDOM
I'm trying to figure out whether or not it will be worth it to get boost gauges or not. Yeah it'll look cool to see the PSI, but idk how controlling the boost like you guys are doing would work for a SC.
#607
You wouldn't control the boost on your sc setup with a 2 in one like Optimus' is doing with his turbo setup. That is controlling an actuator which regulates the waste gate which is internal on Utahs setup if I remember correctly.. I don't remember what turbo Optimus is running but a wastegate is typically what will control how much boost is held within a turbo... I've seen guys weld their stock wastegate shut on their stock turbos and then max out their injectors until their turbo/motor blew so they could rebuild it lol (I do not recommend this nor condone!). You would adjust your boost with a smaller pulley in a sc setup. And especially if you plan on more mods to your stock motor such as aftercooler, injectors etc I would highly recommend minimum, boost/air-fuel just for monitoring purposes. Your car will be far from stock at that point and you want to make sure you can visually see more that things are going ok under the hood..
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ssjoeboe9 (06-05-2014)
#608
ROTAREDOM
Thanks for that useful info! I saw after I did a little research that changing pulley size would increase boost for SC. Looks like the OE pulleys put it around 6psi. I really don't wanna underdrive all my electronics though. Def A/F gauge would be good to have, and maybe boost gauge to check for problems/leaks if you know you are always running around 6psi.
Wonder if the CT Eng SC has an easy place to put a peto tube.
Wonder if the CT Eng SC has an easy place to put a peto tube.
#609
Thanks for that useful info! I saw after I did a little research that changing pulley size would increase boost for SC. Looks like the OE pulleys put it around 6psi. I really don't wanna underdrive all my electronics though. Def A/F gauge would be good to have, and maybe boost gauge to check for problems/leaks if you know you are always running around 6psi.
Wonder if the CT Eng SC has an easy place to put a peto tube.
Wonder if the CT Eng SC has an easy place to put a peto tube.
#610
ROTAREDOM
You wouldn't underdrive the accessories at all if you dont want to.. You change the pulley size on just the supercharger, and keep the other pulleys stock.. I plan on going with the lightweight stock diameter crank pulley that xlr8 offers only which doesn't underdrive but drops some weight.. But I will go with what's best recommended with the setup I go with but has nothing to do with the supercharger pulley which I will prob modify as well lol. Off to go shoot my walther!!
Going with ligtweight pulleys with stock crank pulley dia. is probably a good idea.
I wonder what the balance is between power (torque) vs speed on the supercharger pulley for the CT Engineering. Decrease the pulley size means you're gunna get the SC spinning faster (more psi) but at what power loss for initially turning the SC over at the beginning of take off. I'd imagine it would be like starting your car in second gear.
Orrrr we just buy whatever they recommend lol
#611
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
If you want to do a ct supercharger Vit at vitviper tuning is the place to go he has lots of experience with them on the k series engines.
http://vittuned.com/tuning-products/aftercoolers.html
http://vittuned.com/tuning-products/aftercoolers.html
#613
Okay read through this whole thing and I can't find what you are using to tune the ecu. I must have overlooked it and from what I have research there isn't much out there for our cars.
Edit I guess you are using the flashpro which is good up to 2010 but not for me =(
Edit I guess you are using the flashpro which is good up to 2010 but not for me =(
Last edited by curtdragon; 06-25-2014 at 09:56 PM.
#614
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Yes Flashpro, if you want to do any engine mods it's 2009-2010 only for now
#616
ROTAREDOM
Hey Utah, if I'm gunna run around 10psi of boost do you think it's necessary to get a new fuel pump?
#617
Intermediate
You'll definitely want a better fuel pump man, our stock fuel pump won't be able to push near the amount of fuel out needed to get whatyou want out of any kind of boost, probably wouldn't work well at all
#618
ROTAREDOM
Yeah that's what I was thinking, but I've gone through some threads over on 9th gen civic and about half of those guys are running aftermarket fuel pumps and the other half stayed stock. I was just thinking that the cte supercharger kit comes with 780cc injectors and they don't mention at all about upgrading the fuel pump.
#619
I installed a walbro 255 on my wrx before even upgrading the injectors. My injector cycling levels were much safer than w the stock pump according to the logs and that was even before re-tuning it.. I was also pushing close to 250 wheel horse though on the stock turbo and those puny lil 440cc injectors were pretty much cycled out to the max. If you do put those big ass injectors in the whip I would highly recommend a bigger pump.. No downsides really to upgrading the pump if you custom tune except for extra noise on startup and the actual install because they r usually pretty cheap to upgrade.
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ssjoeboe9 (06-29-2014)
#620
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
For 150.00 bucks and a couple of hours work it's not worth taking the chance, 10 psi will take a lot more fuel than than the 6-7 psi that the ct comes with stock you will need an after cooler fore sure at 10 psi check out Vits it's the only one with a 2 inch core i believe
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Jaheri_cbp (06-30-2014)
#621
ROTAREDOM
For 150.00 bucks and a couple of hours work it's not worth taking the chance, 10 psi will take a lot more fuel than than the 6-7 psi that the ct comes with stock you will need an after cooler fore sure at 10 psi check out Vits it's the only one with a 2 inch core i believe
Also, let's talk about clutches. I don't see any upgraded clutches specifically for our car. Only the exedy oem replacement. Idk if that can handle ~300whp. What you think?
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Jaheri_cbp (06-30-2014)
#622
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
http://stores.axionind.com/drivetrain/
This guy is the place to go for performance parts very familiar with our cars he did optimusses limited slip and clutch setup
This guy is the place to go for performance parts very familiar with our cars he did optimusses limited slip and clutch setup
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Jaheri_cbp (06-30-2014)
#623
ROTAREDOM
Wonder why stage 1 was skipped?
#624
Burning Brakes
ssjoeboe9 - I replied to your PM.
If what I replied with don't make sense, please let me know. Still kind of waking up.
If what I replied with don't make sense, please let me know. Still kind of waking up.
#625
ROTAREDOM
Hey scott, I sent you a facebook message.
#626
ROTAREDOM
Scott/Optimus have you hooked up an A/F gauge yet? I'm interested in how you're doing the install?
Are you splicing 02 wires? Or using a gauge that hooks directly to the OBDII? what units did you buy?
Considering all of my options.. I like the idea of an OBDII hook up, but Im also already occupying that with my HUD.
Are you splicing 02 wires? Or using a gauge that hooks directly to the OBDII? what units did you buy?
Considering all of my options.. I like the idea of an OBDII hook up, but Im also already occupying that with my HUD.
#627
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Scott/Optimus have you hooked up an A/F gauge yet? I'm interested in how you're doing the install?
Are you splicing 02 wires? Or using a gauge that hooks directly to the OBDII? what units did you buy?
Considering all of my options.. I like the idea of an OBDII hook up, but Im also already occupying that with my HUD.
Are you splicing 02 wires? Or using a gauge that hooks directly to the OBDII? what units did you buy?
Considering all of my options.. I like the idea of an OBDII hook up, but Im also already occupying that with my HUD.
#628
Burning Brakes
I've been considering the aem fail safe also. I still have the leaking oil line issue. Got all over the turbo blanket, so that's a total fing waste. Have to get another one now. ![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I'm really running on hopes and dreams at this point, because this has just turned into one of those waking nightmares.
However, I do have a "drive around town slowly" tune from Vit... so I have that going for me.
![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I'm really running on hopes and dreams at this point, because this has just turned into one of those waking nightmares.
However, I do have a "drive around town slowly" tune from Vit... so I have that going for me.
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
#629
ROTAREDOM
I've been considering the aem fail safe also. I still have the leaking oil line issue. Got all over the turbo blanket, so that's a total fing waste. Have to get another one now. ![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I'm really running on hopes and dreams at this point, because this has just turned into one of those waking nightmares.
However, I do have a "drive around town slowly" tune from Vit... so I have that going for me.![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I'm really running on hopes and dreams at this point, because this has just turned into one of those waking nightmares.
However, I do have a "drive around town slowly" tune from Vit... so I have that going for me.
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Ok so you guys gotta talk dumb to me. So you are inserting an AEM wideband sensor on your DP bung? Then running that to an A/F gauge? Then disable your OEM 02 sensor via the flashpro?
Scott post some pictures so we can see what it looks like and where you mounted it.
#630
Burning Brakes
We are putting a third o2 bung on my down pipe to allow for the factory pieces to be installed.
I really want mine to be able to pass emissions next year after it's all wrapped up with tuning. We'll see how that goes, but my 98 accord when it was turboed I was able to get it to pass emissions no problem.
I really want mine to be able to pass emissions next year after it's all wrapped up with tuning. We'll see how that goes, but my 98 accord when it was turboed I was able to get it to pass emissions no problem.
#631
ROTAREDOM
I was looking at this boost gauge and possibly their wideband A/F as well. Opinions?
![](http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/3YcAAOSw7VBTw7WZ/$_57.JPG)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/52mm-TINTED-7-COLOR-LED-SUPERCHARGER-BOOST-GAUGE-METER-/371076203923?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5665dd8593&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/52mm-TINTED-7-COLOR-LED-SUPERCHARGER-BOOST-GAUGE-METER-/371076203923?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5665dd8593&vxp=mtr
#632
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I've been considering the aem fail safe also. I still have the leaking oil line issue. Got all over the turbo blanket, so that's a total fing waste. Have to get another one now. ![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I'm really running on hopes and dreams at this point, because this has just turned into one of those waking nightmares.
However, I do have a "drive around town slowly" tune from Vit... so I have that going for me.![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
I'm really running on hopes and dreams at this point, because this has just turned into one of those waking nightmares.
However, I do have a "drive around town slowly" tune from Vit... so I have that going for me.
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And what is up with the oil line that is the simplest thing ?? what oil line did you get ??
Joeboe those gauges are ok seen a few much less than the AEM make sure the wideband comes with the Bosch sensor and not a cheapo
#633
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
You keep the OEM sensor the ECU and flashpro use it, weld another bung before the converter if you have one and put the gauge sensor there compare that to the OE one and adjust accordingly, mine was ok until I got over 10 LBS than it started getting further and further from the AEM readings (the wideband failsafe has dataloging built in so it is easy to compare) I used a pillar gauge bezel to mount my gauges you can see it in the videos on utube
#634
TSX AMG Type //M i-VVT
Eh that boost guage looks like the chineese eBay special... get something better lol.
#635
ROTAREDOM
@utah.. So I gotta make another hole in my rv6 downpipe? Right next to the one they already made?
So then when I street tune with Vit, I log both aftermarket readings and oe sensor readings? What I don't understand, is if the oe sensor is wrong how do you adjust the map? Unless it is always linearly wrong by some ratio? Because you supply fuel based on that sensor correct? Or is it always in the calibration to run a certain A/F ratio @ rpm,gear, vtec no matter the reading from the sensor?
#636
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I've heard good things about it from other people online, especially since boost gauges just read static pressure.
@utah.. So I gotta make another hole in my rv6 downpipe? Right next to the one they already made?
So then when I street tune with Vit, I log both aftermarket readings and oe sensor readings? What I don't understand, is if the oe sensor is wrong how do you adjust the map? Unless it is always linearly wrong by some ratio? Because you supply fuel based on that sensor correct?
Or is it always in the calibration to run a certain A/F ratio @ rpm,gear, vtec no matter the reading from the sensor?
@utah.. So I gotta make another hole in my rv6 downpipe? Right next to the one they already made?
So then when I street tune with Vit, I log both aftermarket readings and oe sensor readings? What I don't understand, is if the oe sensor is wrong how do you adjust the map? Unless it is always linearly wrong by some ratio? Because you supply fuel based on that sensor correct?
Or is it always in the calibration to run a certain A/F ratio @ rpm,gear, vtec no matter the reading from the sensor?
Stagger the sensor bungs don't put one sensor right in front of the other
#637
ROTAREDOM
I'm really trying to understand I promise lol
So the wideband sensor is really only there to initially tune the setup. Because under hard acceleration it will always just refer back to the numbers set within the table when you tuned your car... then under normal load it adjusts according to what the oe sensor is reading?
So the wideband sensor is really only there to initially tune the setup. Because under hard acceleration it will always just refer back to the numbers set within the table when you tuned your car... then under normal load it adjusts according to what the oe sensor is reading?
#638
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I'm really trying to understand I promise lol
So the wideband sensor is really only there to initially tune the setup. Because under hard acceleration it will always just refer back to the numbers set within the table when you tuned your car... then under normal load it adjusts according to what the oe sensor is reading?
So the wideband sensor is really only there to initially tune the setup. Because under hard acceleration it will always just refer back to the numbers set within the table when you tuned your car... then under normal load it adjusts according to what the oe sensor is reading?
#639
Burning Brakes
What is the AF like at 16 PSI?
#640
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter