scheißterhöffer

I think I started noticing this today. Can hear a squeak when pressing or releasing clutch pedal, but more than that, I feel a little feedback in my foot. Wouldn't describe it as a distinct click, but rather a portion of the travel feels like it is rubbing on something and not traveling smoothly. This seems like the same problem. Will try to have the dealer look at it; need to get in for my 30K service in a couple thousand miles; it seems there is no harm in living with it according to what I am reading here, is that correct?

brett

I have a 2004 TSX that was purchased in late 2004, and I am now on my second clutch master cylinder (CMC)…. The symptoms are a clutch pedal that feels notchy at the bottom the of clutch pedal travel, with a distinct click heard as the pedal is pushed in, and sometimes as it comes out. The notchiness and the noise get worse over time and more noticeable as the temperature rises.

The first CMC was replaced at around 6000 miles. Turns out that the TSX uses the same CMC as the Civic, Accord, Element and CR-V (part number 46920-S7A-A01) so the dealer replaced the CMC per the 02-002 January 11, 2005 Honda service bulletin. The replacement CMC specified in the service bulletin has a different part number, which is 46920-S7A-A02. All was fine until around 12,000 miles, when the symptoms returned. The Acura dealer had already done the CMC replacement using part number 46920-S7A-A02, so they replaced the entire clutch pedal assembly. Of course this didn’t fix the problem, so I took the car back, and insisted the problem was with the CMC. The dealer called Acura, who told the dealer that there indeed still is an issue with the newer CMC, and they are working on a fix. This is exactly what is written on my service invoice, “Acura is working on correction, replaced clutch master cylinder & clip, OK after repair. ** Note: If noise comes back will be normal condition until updated repair/bulletin is available.”

So there you have it. There is still something wrong with the CMC, and Acura is aware of the issue. My car still has over two years of warranty left, so hopefully they will have the problem fixed by then. At the same time, if the noise comes back and they still don’t have a fix, I can guarantee and interesting conversation will follow.

JTso

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Thanks for the info. What the dealer wrote on the service invoice about being normal condition is stupid. If there's a problem, then it's not normal. Because normal condition does not require any further actions.

afici0nad0

yes, very informative.

is it possible to merge this thread with the 10+ page click/creak clutch thread?

xizor

thanks for the info, your dealer has been really accommodating. my 2004 clutch clicks, but some lubrication every now and then makes it livable

I think what they were saying is that they wont fix it any more until Honda/Acura puts out a new part

joerockt

Hopefully there will be a TSB for this soon. My clicking has returned recently.

curls

I stopped lubricating my CMC assembly because I get pissed every time I do and the noise/click-feeling returns. It doesn't get past a "point" of badness... its just plateau's at a distinct click/noise and nothing else.

Until the newer CMC comes out (I'll be waiting), I'm gonna leave it as-is right now. Then I'll spend the $100-$150 on a new CMC and install it myself (out of warranty long, long ago - I'm at 100,010 km today w/ only a 60,000km bumper-to-bumper warranty)

Mods: Can you merge this with the thread I created a long time ago "The skinny on the clutch clicking/creaking problem" (or something along those lines) ?? Thanks!

brett

That is exactly what they were saying. They gave me the "option" of waiting until the new fix was in, with no idea as to how long it will be until Acura/Honda has issued a new TSB. Why would I do that?

It just bugs me that they have confirmed there is a known defect in the design of the car, but they don't seem to be in any hurry to fix it. How many people are driving around with this annoying clicking clutch syndrome, and just accepting it?

I've had a number of Honda products over the years, and this makes me want to think twice about getting another one...

sidssp

Sine they can't fix the problem does lemon law apply?

brett

Not under the Illinois Lemon Law:

"...vehicles in their first 12 months or 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first"

Besides, it is "fixed" for the moment. The question is if it will happen again in 6000 miles or so. Maybe I'll get lucky and won't have any more clutch clicking issues. Only time will tell.

jiggaman

i got the clicking crutchiness too

polytsx

Add me to the list...mine go's in on Thursday for a new CMC under warranty. Mind you, they never mentioned anything about a bulletin exisiting to this effect.

S14 n Tsx

I guess, I should take mine in too..

S14 n Tsx

I just called and they are going to check out my car tomorrow. Hopefully, they can replace it. thanks for the heads up.

moda_way

I have had the clicking at the very bottom for at least 10k miles or more. It hasn't become worse, so I'm just living with it.

blumpkin

good to know im not the only one

my warranty is up tho, when I asked about the extended warranty they said they'd call me back, im still waiting... course i lacked to follow up on my half, who has inertia when ur getting poor poor service?

guess im gonna learn to live with it

San-AnT

yeah, where is this service bulletin you speak of?

San-AnT

closest TSB i could find:

TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN: MFG Bulletin Number: 903

MFG Bulletin Date: 20030916

Component: POWER TRAIN:CLUTCH ASSEMBLY

Details: HARD TO ENGAGE 1ST GEAR, GRINDS INTO REVERSE. TECH LINE SUMMARY. *TT

Internal use: 20040212

jlukja

threads merged so all the info/discussion is in one thread.

xaznperswaesonx

hmm i have the nearly the oposite problem .. hard to engage reverse

curls

Old trick that works on many cars: When you want to shift into reverse, put the shifter into 1st, then go right to reverse (never releasing the clutch in between)... should help you get into reverse smoother.

PJS

Clicking clutch here - happens when engine warmer. Seems absent initially at start-up and for a short while after.
Only clicks on the way down, never (IIRC) on the way up.
Due it's 75K service, so I'll have the dealership give it a once over.

brett

Here: http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/at...tachmentid=488

It is a Honda TSB, but it is for the same CMC part number used on the TSX.

OhNoItsMe

I had the clicking clutch problem also. Not the creak, the click. However, replacing the clutch switch and lubrication did not fix the problem. In the end, replacing the master cylinder did the trick.

It took some patience with the dealership as they systematically troubleshot the problem. After all, they were just doing their job. 1st they lubricated the rod that the clutch presses into the master cylinder, and the creaking came back. Next the clutch switch was replaced and it didn’t fix it. Finally, the master cylinder was replaced and the problem was fixed.

In my case, it was clicking and replacing the clutch switch did not do the trick. It was not until the master cylinder was replaced that the problem went away.

curls

OhNoItsMe: How long have you had the new MC in there without the problem coming back?

polytsx

As mentioned, just had my CMC replaced under warranty and have had the car for three days now….I must say, it is great to have a clutch again! I have always hated the feel of the clutch since the day I bought the car, with the new CMC it has a whole new (and vastly improved) feel to it.

I asked the dealership if this was common problem; they responded by telling me that they have sold so few manuals that they have no clue. Either way, I am far happier now. I will advise if the problem returns.

gkkitag

My clutch pedal has had the same problem for some time. This past Saturday, my car was in my usual shop for general maintenance. When I told them about the CMC problem, and showed them some of this thread, they took a look. They "reversed" the linkage (with the safety pin) - basically turned it 180 degrees - and now no more creak. This is "band aid" and I'm waiting to see when the problem comes back.

curls

Any idea how easy/difficult this would be for a DIY job? I wouldn't mind trying it if it fixes the clicking, even temporarily.

afici0nad0

^

ya, can you elaborate on the process?

S14 n Tsx

The tech only took hour and half so it shouldnt be that hard. As long as have the right tool and time. I just got mine done under warranty and its awesome. So smooth!!!

imaginary17

Took my car in to complain about a creaking noise. They checked it out and found the problem. The CMC was the culprit.

Having the CMC replaced tomorrow.

AZSCOTT

I've had the same issues with my o4 TSX. The clutch pedal clicks when depressed, and sometimes when released. While it doesn't impact the driveability, it's really annoying! The first time I took it into the dealer they lubricated it, and that last solved the problem for a couple days. The second time I took it into the dealer, they replaced the clutch master cyclinder and that appeared to solve the problem -- for about a week. Now it's doing it agan and it's actually worse than ever. I've tried to figure out if it clicks under certain circumstances, but for the most part it appears to be random (non-weather/ temp related). What else can I do -- take it back to Acura for a third time?? They have to know about this issue. Why can't they fix it? Is it just a design flaw? I was actually surprised to see that so many people have had this same issue and that it's not just my car. I really want to like this car, but I've had it two years now and I've had too many problems with it. (A/C clutch failure, warped front rotors, and now a clicking clutch pedal!)

S14 n Tsx

You should take it back and tell them that it got worst. I got my done two months ago and runing without a problem. Take care of this before your warrenty runs out. Dont be afraid to take it back..thats what warrenty is for and you paid for.

blumpkin

ya, get it before ur warranty is up...

/me is screwed

S14 n Tsx

Sorry to hear that but if I remember correctly, the CMC part cost about $275 ish (saw the dealer the writing down the price of the part) and install would cost about $150 ish ($50 per hr., its takes 1 1/2 to swap it) so $400 should able to cover the damage...
If your CMC is getting worst then you might wnat to consider doing this.

PJS

Your Maths is out of whack.
1.5x 50 is 75, not 150 - that's 3x.
FWIW, I too had the creak and click - the click not occurring all the time.
At the service just done, I asked them to have a look at it - grease it probably and the passenger doors as well.
Now, all's quite as a mouse.

S14 n Tsx

hahaha! you are right...I was in class and wasnt really paying attention to what I was typing. yeah, it should be around $100 at the most for the labor..

jdepasqu2

"I went into my dealership and they said Acura is aware of it and is going to issue a TSB/repair on it soon. No word on when, but he did mention replacing the MC does not repair it (I assume he means the current MC's). He mentioned it also affects RSX's too."

"I have a 2004 TSX that was purchased in late 2004, and I am now on my second clutch master cylinder (CMC)…. The symptoms are a clutch pedal that feels notchy at the bottom the of clutch pedal travel, with a distinct click heard as the pedal is pushed in, and sometimes as it comes out. The notchiness and the noise get worse over time and more noticeable as the temperature rises.

The first CMC was replaced at around 6000 miles. Turns out that the TSX uses the same CMC as the Civic, Accord, Element and CR-V (part number 46920-S7A-A01) so the dealer replaced the CMC per the 02-002 January 11, 2005 Honda service bulletin. The replacement CMC specified in the service bulletin has a different part number, which is 46920-S7A-A02. All was fine until around 12,000 miles, when the symptoms returned. The Acura dealer had already done the CMC replacement using part number 46920-S7A-A02, so they replaced the entire clutch pedal assembly. Of course this didn’t fix the problem, so I took the car back, and insisted the problem was with the CMC. The dealer called Acura, who told the dealer that there indeed still is an issue with the newer CMC, and they are working on a fix. This is exactly what is written on my service invoice, “Acura is working on correction, replaced clutch master cylinder & clip, OK after repair. ** Note: If noise comes back will be normal condition until updated repair/bulletin is available.”

So there you have it. There is still something wrong with the CMC, and Acura is aware of the issue. My car still has over two years of warranty left, so hopefully they will have the problem fixed by then. At the same time, if the noise comes back and they still don’t have a fix, I can guarantee and interesting conversation will follow."


-So has a new cmc been issued by acura/honda....... because once it does I am definetly going in to get it replaced......, I wonder how long it will take???

jdepasqu2

Nothing....??

jdepasqu2

well...., keep us filled in if these issue a new part to fix this bull-shit.....