GIBSON6594

That really wasn't the case and point, though. Dom wasn't dening the noticeable power. No of us are..we can't yet.

dom

dom

For the record I seriously hope the 06 is leaps and bounds better than the 04/05. Hopefully ii won't be slow, rattle and show generally poor build quality.

But I'd take the turtle like pace, rattles and all the lttle problems over those 06 Rims any day

STL

Honestly, I wasn't exactly sure how to take Dom's "comment". At first I took the side-to-side face as saying "no" but then I noticed the icon is called "Why Me". I decided to reply anyhow though!

STL

You must admit it's far easier and cheaper to change the rims than fix the rattles and lack or power! And that's only or those who don't like the new rims. I actually prefer them to those bland 7-spokers! To each his own though...

dom

My "comment" was aimed at wondering why you had to take that shot at 04/05 owners.

And look at this realistically. We've seen 04/05's with several mods that would probly put their power level above that of an 06 and yet noone has reported any staggering differences. I suspect the 06 will be like driving a heaviliy modded 04/05.





Only with ugly rims

dom

Of course.

Obviously those that were already planning on a TSX now see the 06 as iceing on the cake.

But the question is (for many current owners anyway) are the 2006 changes/upgrades enough to justify a trade or perhaps another TSX when the lease is up?

05_TSX_GP

The changes on the '06 are definitely NOT enough for me to consider swapping my '05 for it, lease up or not.

STL

I stand by my "shot" even if it wasn't meant to be one. It's not like I said many or most -- I said some '04/'05 owners. Heck if I already had a TSX, I'd probably be in that camp myself! And don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting staggering differences -- but I fully expect noticeable ones!

BTW, when I quoted you I fixed your typo!

STL

As much as I like most the 2006 changes, I can't see anyone justifying trading up from an older TSX unless they have money to burn.

05_TSX_GP

if I have money to burn... I would totally get a S2000 to add to the garage

dom

Then I guess its not the question

Then the question is will TSX sales remain as strong as they are?

If not, it may have more to do with the IS250 than anything else.

J J

By the time you load the IS250 up with what the TSX comes with standard, the price difference is pretty significant....In the TSX's favor.

jcg878

No

sauceman

I don't believe one second the IS250 will have the slightest influence over the TSX sales.

Jason

In my case, YES. Most of all I want memory seats, Bluetooth, XM radio, heated mirrors, a power passenger seat, better build quality, better radio reception, a tad more power, a better overall look (albeit slightly and in spite of the new rims), and an updated and improved nav system with Zagat restaurant reviews. You couldn't justify that?

EDIT: After reading my post a thought occurred to me: do you realize how much all those changes would cost on a Lexus, Audi, BMW, Mercedes or Infiniti? That's why the new IS can't touch the TSX.

S2peed

Man I like the new TSX just one thing really bothers me, NO LSD!!!
I just dont get it why they couldnt just slap one in there for the 06 even the new si is going to have LSD. I dont know how many of you are familiar driving with a LSD but man the handling is 3 times better with it.

jcg878

I think a tab of LSD goes for around $5, and it will significantly enhance your perception of the TSX's handling, possibly years later

cconrad

No, I don't think I could justify (ie, to my wife) losing thousands on our 05 to upgrade. Partly because I don't need many of the improvements: Since my wife and I sit about the same height, we don't need the memory seats (will that include memory mirrors though?). I don't care too much about Bluetooth, though if I used it I might get addicted. XM radio isn't available in Canada either (although I think from recent press releases that will change very soon; soon enough for them to put the radios in the Canadian 06's though, I don't know). My 05 has heated mirrors and a power passenger seat already. Better radio reception would be nice. My 05 has all the power I could want, especially after what I came from (a 1997 Civic with something like 105hp). And I don't have the nav system now, so I don't think I would know if it were improved :-) .

Now, for the one item I haven't mentioned above: I've seen some hints, including above, that the build quality will be better and the rattles reduced. That I would love, although I'm still harboring hope that I can identify the rattles and eliminate them one by one in my 05. The question: What makes people think the 06 will be better in this regard? I've tried to keep up with this really long thread, but I don't remember if there was anything official, or if this is just people's wishful thinking.

If you're referring to vibration from the engine or something, then my 05 is already incredibly smooth. I get rattles from bumps in the road. Here is just one: When I drive down my rear alleyway, every time I hit one of those expansion joints in the concrete, something in the console area creaks. It's enough to drive you insane, since you told yourself "I'll spring for an Acura instead of another Honda because it will be worth the extra money...". In many ways it is, but, well, I'll stop my rant here.

But seriously, why do people think the 06's will be less rattley?

STL

Even though I have never owned a FWD car with LSD (my S2000 has it though), the fact the Si is getting it and the TSX isn't bothers me too. Another thing I was hoping to see on the '06 was better brakes, but I really cannot complain too much since they finally added memory settings -- that's one I've been asking for since the car came out!

STL

Straight from an Acura press release:

Jason

I really don't expect too much of a difference. I'm sure it may rattle a little bit here and there. I'm just really hoping to eliminate the buzz from the speakers in the door.

In your case, with an 05 up in Canada, it does not make sense to upgrade. I would think it doesn't make sense for any 05 people to upgrade. But for us early adopters...

rb1

Well, the TSX is 1st on my short list of next cars (have 2001 Jetta WE 1.8T now). I'll definitely be cross-shopping the IS250, but they are certainly in a different price bracket.

JeffS

JTso

iTrader: (2)

I wouldn't mind buying the 2006 cylinder head with the intake manifold assembly and bolt them on to my 2004.

J J

what level of tint can you get away with on the front side windows in IL/Chicago?
Without getting a ticket, I hear if you do 40%, you should be fine? can anyone in IL/Chicago advise? Thanks, I'd like to do 35% all the way around on the 2006 TSX, but thinking that may be too dark, and could get a ticket here.

STL

:whocares: It doesn't seem to have anything to do with 2006 TSX Info.

dmbfan36_23

Forgive the ignorance, but what is LSD (in terms of cars) and why is it good?

GreekTSX

LSD: Limited Slip Differential

Function: I think is so that when one wheel is spinning out of control, the other wheel may also spin dependently of the other. so if one wheel is hydroplaning you may still take control with the wheel that is on dry street..i think?? anyone wanna back me on this or correct me?

jcg878

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential7.htm

karoberts

I got a question, does anyone know what the circled thing is?
Is that a speaker? (Seems like an odd place for a speaker, behind the steering wheel). Do the 04's/05's have it too?

dom

Yes, 04/05's have that as well. I believe its the temperature control sensor.

Bill Hook

Try better tires and pads. I really can't see why 11.8" front rotors wouldn't work well on a car that weighs less than a TL (same size rotors, nominally larger on the 6MT).

karoberts

Ah, for the climate control.

Thanks.

STL

Also note that the TL also has almost 1" larger rear rotors as well. My S2000 (weighing in about 450 lbs. less than a TSX) has the same sized front rotors but here again actually has the 1" larger rear rotors. I fully admit this compliant is based off what others here had said AND the fact the TSX doesn't seem to do all that well in the braking test I've seen in the mags (but I guess that could be partly the tires).

jkozlow3

I' m not sure LSD is all that important on cars with traction & stability control. Does the SI have VSA? I found this after some searching:

Early Traction Control
Powerful rear-drive cars from the sixties often had a primitive form of traction control called a limited slip rear differential. Sometimes referred to as Positraction, a limited-slip rear axle will mechanically transfer power to the rear wheel with the most traction, helping to reduce, but not eliminate wheel spin. While limited-slip rear axles are still in use in many front- and rear-drive vehicles today, the device can't completely eliminate wheel slip. Hence, a more sophisticated system was needed.

Electronic Traction Control
Enter electronic traction control. In modern vehicles, traction-control systems utilize the same wheel-speed sensors employed by the antilock braking system. These sensors measure differences in rotational speed to determine if the wheels that are receiving power have lost traction. When the traction-control system determines that one wheel is spinning more quickly than the others, it automatically "pumps" the brake to that wheel to reduce its speed and lessen wheel slip. In most cases, individual wheel braking is enough to control wheel slip. However, some traction-control systems also reduce engine power to the slipping wheels. On a few of these vehicles, drivers may sense pulsations of the gas pedal when the system is reducing engine power much like a brake pedal pulsates when the antilock braking system is working.

The article is from: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/28000-...-explained.htm

Comments?

xizor

LSD and VSA work in opposite ways to do a similar function. An LSD helps you go faster by making better use of your engine power, VSA slows you down reducing power. IMO a LSD is for performance, VSA is for safety. My wife's MINI has both a LSD and DSA (dynamic stability assist) and the LSD is a blast when cornering. Don't let those articles fool you about a LSD being regular "traction control", its really for better cornering.

vidgamer

Eh, the stock speakers need to be replaced anyways!

Why is that? Because the '05-ers have too much money tied up in it? I dunno how long you should hold onto a car to get your money's worth out of it, but I kept my last one for 7.5 years.


I agree with the comment about losing thousands just to turn over your almost-new TSX and get an '06. It would just be cheaper to bolt on a couple of mods. I hope JTso's right about it being easy to upgrade some of the parts, but I dunno. I'm sure that it's a combination of things plus the ECU tuning, so it's not like we'll be able to get the full power that's in the '06. If the '06 has "only" 10 more HP, how much more will you get by just swapping the intake manifold?

I don't seem to have most of these problems y'all are mentioning. The brakes seem OK so far, although I haven't tested them to their limits. The tires are not very grippy, so I think braking and handling would improve by changing those. I don't have a lot of rattles, and the thing seems pretty solid. I don't have a problem with hesitation with the DBW -- maybe it's just me?

cconrad

This is slightly off topic, but I wanted to add my response to the last comments above:

Yeah, I kept my last car (a 1997) for nearly 9 years, from October 1996 to July 2005. Flipping a car after just a couple of years or less is very expensive, so I probably won't do it.

I too have no complaints about the brakes, but that also probably comes from my frame of reference: My 1997 Civic had poor braking, so the TSX's brakes were bound to be better. IMO, though, unless you're racing, you shouldn't be using the full potential of the brakes very often anyway. Hard on the car, and wasteful of fuel. I know if I have to hit the brakes hard that I'm driving too aggressively.

On the DBW, I love it. I don't notice any hesitation. The engine seems very responsive. One thing I particularly like is that the integration with the cruise control is much better with DBW. With my last car, you'd hit set, then release the gas, and there would be some hesitation while the cruise control system figured out it now had to maintain the speed. With the TSX, it's seamless. You hit set, and the cruise system is instantly in charge. You take your foot of the gas and nothing changes. It's very nice.

I think the one thing that takes some people time to get used to is when they pull their foot off the gas in the TSX (ie, for a shift). Sometimes the DBW system holds the engine RPM up momentarily (or even blips it up a few RPM more) even with your foot off the gas. This is just for a fraction of a second right after pulling your foot off and pushing the clutch in. I've heard two different explanations for this; I don't know which (if either) is true: (1) The engine computer is burning off the remaining fuel in the system before closing the throttle, reducing emissions of incompletely-burned fuel. Or (2) the computer is holding the RPM up a second to make downshifts smoother.

I'm more inclined to believe number (1). Number (2) doesn't make sense because the car already has great synchros, and downshifts are only half the shifts.

Anyway, some new TSX drivers I've talked to (including me) found it distracting for the first few shifts, but I quickly got used to it, and even learned to eliminate it by backing off the gas just a fraction of a second sooner before shifting.

J J

Any new pics of the car out yet?