Apple: iPhone News and Discussion Thread
When I think about it...it was actually kinda smart...
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
Could be wrong in my thoughts on that...but when I will admit when my contract is up...I will be taking into account cost/plans/features on the iphone vs. network carrier.
But at the same time, I've had no real issue with At&T...but I'll always look if there is competition.
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
Could be wrong in my thoughts on that...but when I will admit when my contract is up...I will be taking into account cost/plans/features on the iphone vs. network carrier.
But at the same time, I've had no real issue with At&T...but I'll always look if there is competition.
meaning you can keep updating your 2 year contract every year, which is good for iphone users in ATT network and also good for ATT since they keep the customers
i have a feeling LTE won't be on iphone this year.. maybe next year... right?
When I think about it...it was actually kinda smart...
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
Could be wrong in my thoughts on that...but when I will admit when my contract is up...I will be taking into account cost/plans/features on the iphone vs. network carrier.
But at the same time, I've had no real issue with At&T...but I'll always look if there is competition.
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
Could be wrong in my thoughts on that...but when I will admit when my contract is up...I will be taking into account cost/plans/features on the iphone vs. network carrier.
But at the same time, I've had no real issue with At&T...but I'll always look if there is competition.
Gotta remember that AT&T jacked up the termination fee significantly. Anyone willing to pay that much to jump ship immediately has more money than sense.
verizon probably don't even assume there'll be people jump ship with ETF anyways..
i mean there'll be some.. but not even close to any significant figures
it's more of potential and long term growth
i mean there'll be some.. but not even close to any significant figures
it's more of potential and long term growth
When I think about it...it was actually kinda smart...
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
Could be wrong in my thoughts on that...but when I will admit when my contract is up...I will be taking into account cost/plans/features on the iphone vs. network carrier.
But at the same time, I've had no real issue with At&T...but I'll always look if there is competition.
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
Could be wrong in my thoughts on that...but when I will admit when my contract is up...I will be taking into account cost/plans/features on the iphone vs. network carrier.
But at the same time, I've had no real issue with At&T...but I'll always look if there is competition.
So they pay the break up fee and sell their phone and get a network that works for them. Who needs an incentive to get away from something that doesn't work for them?
When I think about it...it was actually kinda smart...
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
All At&t iphone 4 adopters are on a 2 year contract. There are people who want to jump over to Verizon...but paying to get out your contract is a bitch. There is no REAL incentive to leave At&t with the exact same phone on verizon that isnt AS capable as our current phone at&t.
Soooo, the phone the LTE model will most likely debut sometime near when all the initial 2 year contracts are over.
CNN had a good article up a few weeks ago, saying that most industry analysts are predicting AT&T isn't going to lose very many customers (initially) once it loses Iphone exclusivity. I think you're right, they will wait until the 2 year anniversary of the release of the 4G, when all those contracts are up, to get people to jump ship and come to Verizon by offering an LTE model. But at that point, they predict AT&T's 4G network will be up and running, so people may have no reason to switch then either.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/21/tech...pact/index.htm
Verizon iPhone won't be AT&T's doomsday
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Apple's iPhone is widely expected to come to Verizon Wireless next year. Here's the surprise twist: That won't spell disaster for AT&T.
AT&T (T, Fortune 500) has been pounded for years about its network struggles, which recently got it crowned "worst carrier" in America in a Consumer Reports survey. IPhone addicts are often the company's most vocally unhappy customers.
But AT&T isn't sweating bullets about the prospect of customers fleeing en masse when its exclusivity deal with Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) comes to an end.
The telecom giant -- and many of the industry analysts who cover it -- predict that the vast majority of AT&T's roughly 20 million iPhone customers will stick with the wireless carrier.
AT&T had the strategic foresight to lock most of them into long-term contracts lasting deep into 2011 and beyond. That makes it painful for those subscribers to switch to another carrier -- and makes the Verizon iPhone pill much easier for AT&T to swallow.
Here's a closer look at why AT&T doesn't have to worry too much about its upcoming iPhone rival:
Early upgrades: Over the past six months, AT&T enticed millions of its iPhone customers to lock themselves into new two-year contracts by offering early upgrades.
When Apple started selling the iPhone 4 in June, AT&T allowed any customer whose contract was running out at any point in 2010 to get the new iPhone for $199, instead of the typical $599 price for customers in the middle of their contracts. The catch: Customers had to sign a new long-term contract.
In the first three months that the iPhone 4 was on sale, AT&T locked in 5.2 million customers. Analysts expect the company to have reeled in millions more during this quarter.
"AT&T knew the window of exclusivity would collapse, so there was a very explicit effort on AT&T's part to give customers an expanded window of time to get the subsidy on the iPhone," said Charles Golvin, analyst at Forrester Research. "It was quite successful in locking those customers in."
It's really expensive to switch: Customers under contract will need to fork over a $325 "early termination fee" to AT&T if they switch. It's prorated, but each each month of completed service knocks just $10 off the tab.
That's not all. AT&T's iPhone customers will also need to buy a whole new iPhone if they want to switch to Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500). That's because the two carriers operate on a different technology standard, and the chip in AT&T's iPhone is not compatible with Verizon's network.
If you bought a new iPhone 4 on AT&T when it came out in June and then switch to Verizon in early 2011, you'll have shelled out around $645 for iPhones in a matter of months -- $200 for the AT&T iPhone 4, about $200 for the essentially identical Verizon iPhone 4, and $245 or so for the early termination fee.
Switching is particularly painful for those with family plans, since they have to buy all new phones for their whole family. AT&T says 80% of its customers with integrated devices -- a category that includes the iPhone -- are on "Family Talk" or business plans.
AT&T's customers are 'sticky': About two-thirds of AT&T customers are happy with their service and say they won't switch wireless companies for any reason, according to a recent a Booz & Co. survey.
For the other third, the biggest factor that would motivate them to switch is lower costs. But experts don't expect Verizon's iPhone pricing to be substantially different than AT&T's. (The margins are ultra-thin on the iPhone, since carriers take a hit of about $400 in subsidies for each device.)
AT&T can weather the storm: An estimated 2.5 million AT&T iPhone customers will defect to Verizon in 2011, according to Yankee Group, which based its forecast on a survey of 15,000 U.S. consumers. That prediction falls right into the range of most analysts' forecasts.
That sounds like a lot, but it represents just 3% of AT&T's base of 93 million customers.
Plus, defections are a fact of life of the wireless business -- one that AT&T has successfully weathered in the past. About 12% to 15% of the company's wireless subscribers have historically terminated their contracts each year, but AT&T has consistently added more customers each year than it lost.
For those that do leave, AT&T will reap the rewards of their early termination fees, blunting the loss to the company's revenue.
The end result of all those calculations is that most analysts expect a minimal impact on AT&T's bottom line.
Mike McCormick, a financial analyst at Nomura, expects AT&T to lose a net 1.3 million customers next year. He thinks company will probably take a $689 million hit to sales. Booz & Co.'s George Appling, who expects a 2 million customer loss, anticipates a $1.7 billion hit.
But that's a drop in the bucket for a company the size of AT&T.
"AT&T is a $120 billion a year company," Appling said. "$2 billion could get easily washed away and hidden."
Don't expect AT&T to simply roll over: AT&T's network has a few technical advantages over Verizon's. Expect them to be heavily advertised.
AT&T operates on the GSM standard, which allows customers to talk and surf the Web at the same time -- a features that Verizon's CDMA network doesn't allow. GSM is also used in far more countries, allowing AT&T's phones to work across the globe -- something most of Verizon's phones can't do. Analysts expect AT&T to go hard after Verizon on those points in advertisements once both networks carry the iPhone.
AT&T says it's serene about its future.
"We are the industry leader in smartphones; we offer the iPhone and other great devices and we will continue to do so," said company spokesman Mark Siegel. "We operate the nation's fastest network and we plan on making it even faster."
So if there is a massive fallout from Verizon getting the iPhone, it likely wouldn't happen until the latest round of two-year contracts are up. That wave hits in late 2012 and early 2013.
But by that time, AT&Ts 4G network -- a years-in-the-works upgrade that the company has poured billions into -- will be in place. All of those network problems that the company's customers have suffered through for years could become a thing of the past.
"It's certainly possible that some AT&T customers will leave for Verizon in 2012 or 2013, but the smartphone market is rapidly changing," said Forrester Research's Golvin. "It's hard to look out and say one way or another." To top of page
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Apple's iPhone is widely expected to come to Verizon Wireless next year. Here's the surprise twist: That won't spell disaster for AT&T.
AT&T (T, Fortune 500) has been pounded for years about its network struggles, which recently got it crowned "worst carrier" in America in a Consumer Reports survey. IPhone addicts are often the company's most vocally unhappy customers.
But AT&T isn't sweating bullets about the prospect of customers fleeing en masse when its exclusivity deal with Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) comes to an end.
The telecom giant -- and many of the industry analysts who cover it -- predict that the vast majority of AT&T's roughly 20 million iPhone customers will stick with the wireless carrier.
AT&T had the strategic foresight to lock most of them into long-term contracts lasting deep into 2011 and beyond. That makes it painful for those subscribers to switch to another carrier -- and makes the Verizon iPhone pill much easier for AT&T to swallow.
Here's a closer look at why AT&T doesn't have to worry too much about its upcoming iPhone rival:
Early upgrades: Over the past six months, AT&T enticed millions of its iPhone customers to lock themselves into new two-year contracts by offering early upgrades.
When Apple started selling the iPhone 4 in June, AT&T allowed any customer whose contract was running out at any point in 2010 to get the new iPhone for $199, instead of the typical $599 price for customers in the middle of their contracts. The catch: Customers had to sign a new long-term contract.
In the first three months that the iPhone 4 was on sale, AT&T locked in 5.2 million customers. Analysts expect the company to have reeled in millions more during this quarter.
"AT&T knew the window of exclusivity would collapse, so there was a very explicit effort on AT&T's part to give customers an expanded window of time to get the subsidy on the iPhone," said Charles Golvin, analyst at Forrester Research. "It was quite successful in locking those customers in."
It's really expensive to switch: Customers under contract will need to fork over a $325 "early termination fee" to AT&T if they switch. It's prorated, but each each month of completed service knocks just $10 off the tab.
That's not all. AT&T's iPhone customers will also need to buy a whole new iPhone if they want to switch to Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500). That's because the two carriers operate on a different technology standard, and the chip in AT&T's iPhone is not compatible with Verizon's network.
If you bought a new iPhone 4 on AT&T when it came out in June and then switch to Verizon in early 2011, you'll have shelled out around $645 for iPhones in a matter of months -- $200 for the AT&T iPhone 4, about $200 for the essentially identical Verizon iPhone 4, and $245 or so for the early termination fee.
Switching is particularly painful for those with family plans, since they have to buy all new phones for their whole family. AT&T says 80% of its customers with integrated devices -- a category that includes the iPhone -- are on "Family Talk" or business plans.
AT&T's customers are 'sticky': About two-thirds of AT&T customers are happy with their service and say they won't switch wireless companies for any reason, according to a recent a Booz & Co. survey.
For the other third, the biggest factor that would motivate them to switch is lower costs. But experts don't expect Verizon's iPhone pricing to be substantially different than AT&T's. (The margins are ultra-thin on the iPhone, since carriers take a hit of about $400 in subsidies for each device.)
AT&T can weather the storm: An estimated 2.5 million AT&T iPhone customers will defect to Verizon in 2011, according to Yankee Group, which based its forecast on a survey of 15,000 U.S. consumers. That prediction falls right into the range of most analysts' forecasts.
That sounds like a lot, but it represents just 3% of AT&T's base of 93 million customers.
Plus, defections are a fact of life of the wireless business -- one that AT&T has successfully weathered in the past. About 12% to 15% of the company's wireless subscribers have historically terminated their contracts each year, but AT&T has consistently added more customers each year than it lost.
For those that do leave, AT&T will reap the rewards of their early termination fees, blunting the loss to the company's revenue.
The end result of all those calculations is that most analysts expect a minimal impact on AT&T's bottom line.
Mike McCormick, a financial analyst at Nomura, expects AT&T to lose a net 1.3 million customers next year. He thinks company will probably take a $689 million hit to sales. Booz & Co.'s George Appling, who expects a 2 million customer loss, anticipates a $1.7 billion hit.
But that's a drop in the bucket for a company the size of AT&T.
"AT&T is a $120 billion a year company," Appling said. "$2 billion could get easily washed away and hidden."
Don't expect AT&T to simply roll over: AT&T's network has a few technical advantages over Verizon's. Expect them to be heavily advertised.
AT&T operates on the GSM standard, which allows customers to talk and surf the Web at the same time -- a features that Verizon's CDMA network doesn't allow. GSM is also used in far more countries, allowing AT&T's phones to work across the globe -- something most of Verizon's phones can't do. Analysts expect AT&T to go hard after Verizon on those points in advertisements once both networks carry the iPhone.
AT&T says it's serene about its future.
"We are the industry leader in smartphones; we offer the iPhone and other great devices and we will continue to do so," said company spokesman Mark Siegel. "We operate the nation's fastest network and we plan on making it even faster."
So if there is a massive fallout from Verizon getting the iPhone, it likely wouldn't happen until the latest round of two-year contracts are up. That wave hits in late 2012 and early 2013.
But by that time, AT&Ts 4G network -- a years-in-the-works upgrade that the company has poured billions into -- will be in place. All of those network problems that the company's customers have suffered through for years could become a thing of the past.
"It's certainly possible that some AT&T customers will leave for Verizon in 2012 or 2013, but the smartphone market is rapidly changing," said Forrester Research's Golvin. "It's hard to look out and say one way or another." To top of page
Last edited by Shadzilla; Jan 11, 2011 at 12:58 PM.
most of verizon users didn't switch over to ATT when first iphone was launched due to ETF
why would current ATT iphone users switch over to verizon with now more expensive ETF?
short term wise, ATT is fine. long term wise, it's up to their improving 3G while providing prominent/competitive LTE network
why would current ATT iphone users switch over to verizon with now more expensive ETF?
short term wise, ATT is fine. long term wise, it's up to their improving 3G while providing prominent/competitive LTE network
They are trying to mask the lack of voice/data simultaneous abilities with the mobile hotspot feature.
Yeah, its a nice feature....but voice/data at the same time is key. I will not go back to the Edge iphone days where you get voicemails because you were surfing the net. Or you are talking to someone and need to look something, and you cant because you are still on the phone.
step backwards imo
Yeah, its a nice feature....but voice/data at the same time is key. I will not go back to the Edge iphone days where you get voicemails because you were surfing the net. Or you are talking to someone and need to look something, and you cant because you are still on the phone.
step backwards imo
I've waited since August for Verizon's phone, & this is a huge disappointment to read if true. Guess I'll bite the bullet & sign up with ATT; might even save me $10/month.
By features, do you mean using voice and data concurrently?
Yes. The more I read about Verizon's phone, the more I see reviewers talking about things it may not have at launch that ATT has founded with their own. Makes me wonder why I bothered waiting when I could have gotten the same thing months ago....
Whether or not these are true, I'm not at "Buy now" point I was when I first read it. There's still a lot of info to be shown, so maybe my mind will change again.
Whether or not these are true, I'm not at "Buy now" point I was when I first read it. There's still a lot of info to be shown, so maybe my mind will change again.
I say slow down....see what happens. You being a Verizon customer will have first crack at the phone before anyone else. More details will be out in the coming weeks. We dont even know the plans yet.
But I assuming Verizon is going to capitalize on the "unlimited" data aspect. People were really pissed about the capped data usage even though 98% of the people dont come anywhere close to hitting the capped numbers each month. (Personally, it irks me more to see the iPad capped than the phones.)
So, wait and see. Today is everyone piping up in a rush of adrenaline.
But I assuming Verizon is going to capitalize on the "unlimited" data aspect. People were really pissed about the capped data usage even though 98% of the people dont come anywhere close to hitting the capped numbers each month. (Personally, it irks me more to see the iPad capped than the phones.)
So, wait and see. Today is everyone piping up in a rush of adrenaline.
But I assuming Verizon is going to capitalize on the "unlimited" data aspect. People were really pissed about the capped data usage even though 98% of the people dont come anywhere close to hitting the capped numbers each month. (Personally, it irks me more to see the iPad capped than the phones.)
So I just to news that my job is considering replace our Blackberry's with Iphones now. We are Verizon partners and I guess I should have seen it coming.
Not sure how I feel about this...
I already have an Android phone as my personal phone.
Not sure how I feel about this...
I already have an Android phone as my personal phone.
Yes, I still carry unlimited data...I choose to pay that extra 5 bucks a month. At some point, I may not.
Yes. The more I read about Verizon's phone, the more I see reviewers talking about things it may not have at launch that ATT has founded with their own. Makes me wonder why I bothered waiting when I could have gotten the same thing months ago....
Whether or not these are true, I'm not at "Buy now" point I was when I first read it. There's still a lot of info to be shown, so maybe my mind will change again.
Whether or not these are true, I'm not at "Buy now" point I was when I first read it. There's still a lot of info to be shown, so maybe my mind will change again.
Yes Rick the phone you have now can't use voice and data at the same time. Contrary to popular belief the iPhone is not magical, it's not the Chuck Norris of phones. You set yourself up for failure if you expected it could do what no other CDMA phone could do
Not everyone is aware that CDMA can not do both at once. I have been on a CDMA network since I switched to the OG iphone, so I never bothered to keep up with it, so I had no idea til this morning.

What I didn't expect it to do was go backwards according to other iPhone users.
Nothing is forcing you to get the iPhone. Android has LTE phones that will allow you to use both voice and data on the verizon network.
The problem with LTE is battery life! It's even worse than 3G, which is probably why Apple isn't going LTE that and the severe lack of LTE coverage doesn't make it worth paying the extra cost for the LTE chip.
I think they eventually have to go LTE or 4G or whatever they will call it since their competitors will be touting faster internet speeds. Maybe not till next year though at minimum since ATT won't roll out 4G until late this year.
meh. carriers creating this hype about LTE.
you think you will see world of difference using LTE vs 3G?
sure, theoretical latency and bandwidth is a lot of improvements over 3G, but the current implementation and structure, i'm sure it's not at its prime time and 3G is quite enough for most users at the moment
you think you will see world of difference using LTE vs 3G?
sure, theoretical latency and bandwidth is a lot of improvements over 3G, but the current implementation and structure, i'm sure it's not at its prime time and 3G is quite enough for most users at the moment
meh. carriers creating this hype about LTE.
you think you will see world of difference using LTE vs 3G?
sure, theoretical latency and bandwidth is a lot of improvements over 3G, but the current implementation and structure, i'm sure it's not at its prime time and 3G is quite enough for most users at the moment
you think you will see world of difference using LTE vs 3G?
sure, theoretical latency and bandwidth is a lot of improvements over 3G, but the current implementation and structure, i'm sure it's not at its prime time and 3G is quite enough for most users at the moment






learn something new, bitch. Time for a better comeback.





