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Old 10-20-2010, 04:09 PM
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Sad ain't it?


Has any player come out and said they supported it?

And at Harrison "threatening" to retire...stfu
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This shit is stupid, next thing the players will have flags attached to their hips and there will be no contact
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This shit is stupid, next thing the players will have flags attached to their hips and there will be no contact
no they are going to say tackling is far to dangerous and will be using flags instead.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...n=ncaaf-278329

JoePa didn't wear a facemask. He doesn't think today's players should, either.

By Matt Hinton

The NFL is upping the ante yet again on helmet-to-helmet hits and other vicious collisions, promising even more aggressive fines and suspensions in the wake of a particularly violent weekend. The NCAA has been concerned with the same problem lately, led by the Big Ten.

And if it's really serious about it, Joe Paterno has an idea from his own playing days at Brown, right after the war (Second World, that is, not Civil). If you want players to stop leading with their heads, Paterno told reporters during Tuesday's Big Ten conference call, lose the facemasks already:

"I've been saying for years, we should get rid of the facemask. ... It's a weapon, guys are fearless."

[Photos: See what football legend Joe Paterno looks like today]

Predictably, the whippersnappers in the ranks – namely 35-year-old Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald, who opted for maximum coverage as an All-American linebacker in the mid-'90s – aren't so enthusiastic about the idea. But more than a few people who actually study head injuries aren't so dismissive: As the Wall Street Journal reported last year, the growing research on the long-term effects of repeated head shots, even when helmets are involved, have led some experts to conclude that the protection does more harm than good by making head-cracking too routine. Troy Aikman is down with that, and he knows from head injuries.

Of course, helmets were introduced largely to combat the "boy-killing, man-mutilating" violence that nearly got the game banned outright at the turn of the 20th Century. The facemask wasn't standard until the mid-'50s, well after the end of JoePa's career at Brown and into his tenure as a young assistant at Penn State. You can play football without a facemask.

While we're at it, Paterno would also like to know whatever happened to those canary dishes, the Andrews Sisters? Used to be a Joe could always get togged to the bricks for a jolly up in this town, even if he was a cement mixer. But these days, every night's in the cave with a platter and a glass of dog soup, patting his alderman like some wheat lunger.
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He has a point.

They could just have a retro weekend to start. Instead of just the uniform, retro everything...the ball, helmet, pads, etc.

I bet you would see a lot more defensive guys actually wrap the guy with the ball up, instead of just trying to deliver a big pop.

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I think he's on to something. Of course you'll have players and fans complaining about the awkwardness and the "oh, but it's been that way for decades now!" argument but most hockey players don't wear facemasks, and there's a puck flying around at over 80 mph at any given moment, and then there's the freak possibility of someone getting upended and someone getting slashed in the face by the skate.

Then again I don't think this was as big of an issue a few years ago... I haven't followed too closely but I'm almost sure there was some other rule change somewhere or just a trend where players started launching themselves more often to get the big hit.
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Leather helmets would be awesome.
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No pads, no helmets. Catastrophic injuries would all but dissappear.
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the NFL's take on "legal" hits..

link to video released today.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos.../Player-safety
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I could only watch part of that video. NONE of those hits were illegal!

He's pretty much banning every hit. Might as well play fucking soccer.
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I'm not really cutting on soccer. I'm just saying one is a contact sport and the other is not. When you sign up for football, you expect to get hit or put hits on people. Soccer you don't.

If that douchebag Ray Anderson is going to call all those hits 'illegal', then they might as well take off the pads and trade them in for flags. The only hit that was directly to the head was the Merriweather-->Heap hit. I don't see a need for them to rework the rules for that. There's already fines in place for hits like that. No need to suspend players and investigate every big hit.
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dallas clark. out
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Originally Posted by sho_nuff1997
I'm not really cutting on soccer. I'm just saying one is a contact sport and the other is not. When you sign up for football, you expect to get hit or put hits on people. Soccer you don't.

If that douchebag Ray Anderson is going to call all those hits 'illegal', then they might as well take off the pads and trade them in for flags. The only hit that was directly to the head was the Merriweather-->Heap hit. I don't see a need for them to rework the rules for that. There's already fines in place for hits like that. No need to suspend players and investigate every big hit.
Tell that to the people who get their legs broken in soccer from sliding tackles. You absolutely expect to get taken out in soccer, it's just done a different way.
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Yea soccer gets pretty violent.

Now for my Redskins knockout prediction of the week: Cutler or Forte??? hmmmm
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Hello karate kick to the chest, no red card.
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If we want to get into officials being blind, the MLB and SEC NCAAFB thread are here somewhere.
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I guess I should have used tennis. Soccer is not a "contact" sport (yes I know there is contact) and football is a contact sport. Wasn't trying to make a soccer vs football debate.
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Originally Posted by sho_nuff1997
I guess I should have used tennis. Soccer is not a "contact" sport (yes I know there is contact) and football is a contact sport. Wasn't trying to make a soccer vs football debate.
I get what you're saying and agree.

I don't know how long this this era of "blow up" your opponent hits has been around, but I think it came about because the NFL started glorifying them in their commercials and these plays and players were always being talked about in media and by the broadcasters. I remember Chuck Cecil "The Human Missle" being one of these guys when I was a kid, so it's been going on a long time.

So the players see these guys infamous for big hits getting all the huge contracts and want to do the same.

I don't like how the NFL acts like they're innocent in all of this and are trying to look tough...they've been making plenty of money on it and in a way encouraging it.
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Does anybody watch the Canadian Football League? Do they have this problem? (I honestly don't know but I've never heard anything about it).
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
Does anybody watch the Canadian Football League? Do they have this problem? (I honestly don't know but I've never heard anything about it).
The CFL is rather entertaining...I like the pacing. Obviously, differences given the field width and length as well as the 3-down format...

But, entertaining...There are the big hits but, not to the degree where it is nearly decapitating a player in the NFL. And I believe it is attributed to the smaller players in the CFL and well, the larger field...
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Colts lose Dallas Clark for season: http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=338278
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They'll get the lane 4 grocer at the A&P and be just fine.
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Isn't Arena even barely around because of the hits to the wall?
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http://egotvonline.com/2010/10/20/50...l-hits-mashup/


There's a lot of ouches on that video.
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Does anybody watch the Canadian Football League? Do they have this problem? (I honestly don't know but I've never heard anything about it).
no, it's where all the old farts from the NHL go out to pasture

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13 more players fined.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...ug=ap-nflfines

NEW YORK (AP)—The NFL fined 12 more players Friday, mostly for unnecessary roughness in games last weekend, sending another strong message that violent conduct wouldn’t be tolerated.

Minnesota defensive end Ray Edwards(notes) was fined the most, $20,000, for spearing Dallas running back Marion Barber(notes) on Sunday. Edwards was cited as a repeat offender; he was previously fined Aug. 28 for roughing the passer and Sept. 26 for unnecessary roughness.

“I just got fined $20,000 for a spear that really wasn’t a spear,” Edwards said. “If you look at the last play, (Dallas tackle Marc) Colombo speared Jared (Allen) and I don’t believe he got fined. If you’re going to fine people, fine everybody. Don’t just fine defensive guys.”

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The league did not fine Colombo.

Earlier this week, huge fines were given for flagrant fouls by Pittsburgh’s James Harrison(notes) ($75,000), Atlanta’s Dunta Robinson(notes) and New England’s Brandon Meriweather(notes) (both $50,000). The league also promised suspensions for players who make illegal hits on defenseless opponents. A video was sent to the 32 teams explaining what hits are considered legal and illegal.

The 15 fines were unusually high for one week, a signal of the NFL’s resolve to police violent play. Generally, either a $5,000 or $10,000 fine is handed out for roughness. In this week’s total all but two were for roughness. On Oct. 1 the league also issued 15 fines, 10 for roughness.

Included in the latest penalties:

— New Orleans cornerback Malcolm Jenkins(notes) was fined $10,000 for two hits, one to the head area of Tampa Bay quarterback Josh Freeman(notes) and one out of bounds.

— Tennessee defensive end William Hayes(notes) was fined $10,000 for a late hit, while teammate Dave Ball(notes) was given a $5,000 fine for roughing the passer with a hit to the head or neck area against Jacksonville.

— Three Houston players were fined $5,000: guard Wade Smith(notes) for a leg whip, defensive end Adewale Ogunleye(notes) for a late hit on Kansas City quarterback Matt Cassel(notes), and safety Bernard Pollard(notes) for hitting a Chiefs player out of bounds.

— Philadelphia quarterback Kevin Kolb(notes) was fined $5,000 for a horse-collar tackle on Atlanta’s William Moore(notes) while Moore was returning an interception.

— San Francisco safety Dashon Goldson(notes) was fined $5,000 for striking Raiders receiver Louis Murphy(notes) late.

— Minnesota receiver Bernard Berrian(notes) was fined $5,000 for a late hit on Dallas DE Jason Hatcher(notes).

— Detroit guard Stephen Peterman(notes) was fined $7,500 for a late hit on Giants safety Antrel Rolle(notes).

— San Diego linebacker Antwan Barnes(notes) was fined $5,000 for unnecessarily striking St. Louis quarterback Sam Bradford(notes) in the chest and neck.

Harrison, who threatened to retire after the NFL’s crackdown, was fined for his tackle of Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi(notes), who suffered a concussion. He also had a hard hit on former college teammate Joshua Cribbs(notes).

On Friday, Cribbs told his friend not to change the way he plays, and that Harrison’s job is to simply “knock people out.”

Cribbs, who played at Kent State with Harrison, believes he helped persuade Pittsburgh’s big hitter not to retire.

AP Sports Writers Tom Withers in Cleveland and Jon Krawczynski in Minneapolis contributed to this story.
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Good god, this is getting out of hand. Now how many players this weekend are going to be afraid to make contact in fear they will be fined?
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Can we get back to discussing the LFL?
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Colts lose Dallas Clark for season: http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=338278
Figures, lost Ryan Grant in 2nd week and now this.
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I don't like to say anything for fear of jinxing it, but I think you guys can form your own opinions about the Panthers. Still, I don't like the prospect of facing a desperate team.... no matter how desperate our team is.
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Cowboys gonna Mash up Giants on MNF
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Wow the Bears/Redskins game was quite the train wreck. So sad that the Packers lost to both of those teams.
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Um, no...
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Chicago is absolute garbage. What a piece of shit team. You have to be really, really bad to both lose to the Redskins and make the Skins pathetic defense look good.

Julius Peppers is an asshole. Going against a rookie LT and he couldn't do anything. The Bears would be a Super Bowl team if they had Kyle Orton.
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