bent09

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PP is a bitch and that is all.

I did not mean skill wise KG, Allen, Powe > Kobe I ment who I route for.

I do not have an NBA team but have respect and like certain players so I like to see them do well. My respect and like for KG Allen and Powe out weigh my respect and like for Kobe. If Boston were to restart the season without Allen and KG but they signed Kobe they would still be in the championship.

I just hate Boston fans, they don't know how to win or lose.

bgsm1th

That's right, stay on your knees for Kobe.
He can have the fucking MVP award, Boston will settle of the title.

Palayah8ta

its so funny how there was absolutely ZERO fans of Boston last year, and now u fucking idiots talk about Powe like hes gods gift to basketball.. seriously stfu.. give KG and PP credit, not Powe for having 1 good game..

bent09

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You would think that you were from Boston. At no time did I say that Powe was an allstar or even any good. I said I respect him.

I did not even say I was a Boston fan?

Learn to read what you quote before getting all pissy. That my friend is being a fucking idiot.

bgsm1th

No, that's being a Laker-fan realizing their team is against the ropes...

Mokos23

i predict a laker victory tonight

Palayah8ta

im a HUGE laker fan, but im as fair as they get. i support KG for his amazing defensive abilities.. BUt for Powe's name to be put in the same breath as KG, KB or PP is dumb..

the pissyness = frustration.. my apologies..

CarbonGray Earl

Who cares which one of us here respects who. Fact is, Kobe needs to play better, KG is nothing but a 7 foot jump shooter, and Powe played great. Pierce has been the closer the Celtics needed all season. I would say he played awesome if I were a Boston fan/Laker Hater. But opinions on respect are moot at this point. The Celts respect Kobe, since their D is structured to stop him. The Lakers need to respect the Celtics bench. That's really what counts here.

Lakers need to win tonight. These Lakers have been pretty resilient when their focus is sharp. After starting away for the first time in the playoffs, i'm sure they were taken aback. Part of that is being a young team, part of that is a decided home court advantage for the Celts (a racous home crowd really empowered them).

I said Lakers in 6 before I saw them play, and obviously that would be difficult at this point. Still, I think it's entirely feasible this gets to 2-2. Game 5 and 6 could go either way, and I think they might split those 2, setting up a game 7.

jlukja

^^ 7 games? David Stern loves you.

Palayah8ta

i dont care if its 6 or 7 as long as i get to attend the lakers victory parade..

CarbonGray Earl

I can only hope.

the_Osk

LOL at MVP > PP.

I guess Nash > Kobe.

the fact is, Kobe has never LEAD his team to a championship. he has ZERO finals MVPS.

Wade has one. Parker has one. Soon, PIERCE will have one.

kobe? ehhhh... overrated. he's more Scottie Pippen than MJ.

JediMindTricks

c'mon now.

PP has never LED his team to a championship either.

skills-wise, we can debate each facet of their games, and kobe is ultimately a better player.

i'm a big pippen fan. i actually liked pippen more than MJ.

but kobe's led his team to a finals. scottie fell short.

your logic is

if you want to have an educated basketball discussion, let us know.

bent09

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I guess it was just the story of his mom dying blah, blah, blah, good people as far as I can tell.

:rolf: at the Pippen comment. Kobe has basically NO ONE with him and you don't consider him a leader.... for that team to even make the playoffs shows he is a leader.

Now McGrady that is Pippenesk or a broke down version of Kobe.

Palayah8ta

SOoo tonight.. i hope the refs arent calling everything and making the game last 4 hours to make up for game 2's bullshit..

kona

... unless it's Kobe going to the charity stripe 38 times.

Palayah8ta

lol watch it happen

the_Osk

This is the first year that either PP or Kobe has LED their teams to the championship. Thus far, they've been the MVP of their teams in the playoffs. TRUE or FALSE?

I'm not saying PP is better than Kobe (although I like his leadership better),

but Kobe is wayyyyyyyyyy overrated. Parker has led his team to the championship. So has Wade. Lebron has led his team to the Finals.

It just irks me how overrated Kobe is. He didn't even deserve the MVP this year, clearly Chris Paul did.

Kobe may be more skilled than Pippen, but he hasn't had a better career YET. Pippen was the 2nd best player on 6 championship team. Kobe was the 2nd best player on 3 championship teams. None of them have Finals MVPs.

throw in the probability that the lakers 2002 "championship" was fixed, and Kobe goes even lower in my book. don't forget that series versus Portland, that seemed extremely fishy as well. when it's all said and done, Kobe might have been the 2nd best player on ONE legit championship team. color me unimpressed.

the_Osk

Kobe has no one? WOW. wow.

Pau Gasol is better than ANY center than MJ or Pipper EVER played with.

Lamar Odom, the #4 pick, might be the MOST talented sf in the league.

Honestly, Kobe has had tons of talent before.. but he doesn't trust them, doesn't share the ball, impedes the flow of the game.... How did Caron Butler do with Kobe? What about without him? Glen Rice? Rodman? Payton (did better the year after, so it wasn't just age).

face it... Kobe might be the most skilled player in the NBA, but he's not the best... maybe not even top-5. his mental game is SO WEAK, it stops him from being the best... .

it's his 12th season in the league, and he STILL tries to throw up fade-away prayers with 3 people guarding him, instead of easily finding the open man. WEAK.

It's too bad Wade has had injuries, as I think he was well on his way to having a better career than weak ass Kobe.

JS + XES

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It was like Kobe vs Celtics, tonight.

and he won.

savage

Pierce and Garnett both had off nights tonight, don't expect that to happen on Thursday...

lowpost

Good game tonight.

If I was Doc I wouldn't be happy about House taking that shot with decent time left on the clock. He should have kicked it back out.

Sarlacc

Boston could have won, they blew that window though.

Great game otherwise, keeps you psyched.

v6cord2k5

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All I know is that I have 100 bucks riding on the series.

jlukja

Geez, if the Lakers only hit their free throws.

UNeeKLiNG

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I know some of yall say it was a good game but I thought it was a sloppy game by both teams...

Osamu

subpar games from KG, PP, Odom, and Gasol. Kobe really had to carry his team, and is really lucky vujacic stepped up or else the lakers would be down 3-0



and dude, what's up with the kobe bashing. stop whining.
I'll admit he really hasn't accomplished too much as a solo player, but I think he's really playing differently this year. Not just sharing the ball so much, but you can tell he's actually enjoying playing again, which you haven't really seen in past years.

I don't think his career is defined yet, so any MJ comparisons are really premature.

JDBoogie

That game really pissed me off last night.

WTF was Doc Rivers thinking!!?? The Celtics go on a 15-3 run with PP on the bench and Rondo out because of his ancle. With House in the game Kobe had to actually play some D against him and Ray Ray was hot. The C's take the lead and he brings PP back in the game and make him the 1st option.. Forgetting Ray Ray was hot and the only reason they were in the game. The final 4 minutes or so Ray didnt get to touch the ball because PP was trying to be the hero.. He had sucked a$$ the whole game and should have been used as a diversion at the most (i woulda left him on the bench). Dork Rivers showed his inexperience last night big time. I still think the C's will win it in 6.

bent09

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Imagine if he was a top 5 player in the league and had a strong mental game. Boston would have been blown out.

See post above from the_Osk

tnl_tsx

I didn't get to see posey block a shot that was suppose to be a free throw from vujacic. What was that about? you got a video link to that?

Palayah8ta

Luke Walton sucks balls, but he had a nice block on PP..

and Big ups to Vujacic and House for nailing those shots.. good stuff

UNeeKLiNG

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Rocket fan here.

I'm not the biggest kobe fan but he is CLEARLY the BEST player in the game right now...He's improved his leadership by leaps and bounds this year (and I'll give half the credit to Jordan, Kobe stated in one after game interview that Jordan really influenced how he view his team and to be a better leader)

and to touch upon what someone said, T-mac doesn't have the killer instinct that Kobe does and to be honest, if T-mac did...he would most def be one of the best in the game right now if not the best...so that tells you a lot about kobe and his mental game...

stop hatin the_osk...

brianlin87

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co-sign.

and the_osk funny post, it's like reading Tommy Heinson's commentary on paper. great job.

Palayah8ta

I heard that refs officiate differently to make series last longer... i woulda never guessed!!! (in a sarcastic tone)

lowpost

I agree

the_Osk

Nice spin.

It was more like Kobe and the refs versus Ray Ray. Kobe plus the refs barely escaped, at home, at the brink of virtual elimination. Lucky for Kobe, Vujacic played ridiculously well. Color me (still) unimpressed.

but go ahead and keep on polishing off kobe. if he blows this series (like he did against the suns last year), he'll STILL have ZERO finals MVPs.

the_Osk

How is saying that kobe is a top-5 player considered "hating"?

Lebron has less support, and had more POINTS, a better fg% (more efficient), more assists, and plays almost as good defense. With a worse team, he still beat the LA Kobe's this year.

Do I even have to mention Chris Paul? He should have been MVP, easily, imho. He did more with less. Does anyone remember how terrible Tyson Chandler was before CP3? Before the Gasol trade, the Hornets were in 1st place in the West.

those 2, imo, are clearly above Kobe this year. Pierce, Garnett, and a few others would also be in the conversation at the very least.

Kobe is good, but when you guys say he's "clearly" the "best" in the league.. that makes him overrated. He's not clearly the best. Might be. Possibly. But I could make a damn good argument for Lebron or CP3.

moeronn

All I have to say is I hate how everyone start putting the Lakers flags on their cars starting in May.

UNeeKLiNG

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Funny, the celts in game 2 plus 3 refs barely escaped at home as well....

CarbonGray Earl

A win is a win. Both teams have areas where they can improve upon their play. Celtics can argue that 2 of the big 3 didn't have a good night and they still only lost by 6, and Lakers can argue that they didn't have a good night either, and still only won by 6. Its the sign of 2 confident and very versatile teams that feel they have an answer for a loss or can win a close game and can execute a game plan in the next game.

on what the_Osk has to say: People aren't going to like Kobe. I don't understand the point of the discussion when it gets down to a like or dislike of players, but maybe its because I'm more interested in x's and o's to consider the comparisons between past and present stars, off-court issues, or whether teammates are friends or not. It is what it is, but its superfluous to what I like about basketball. I guess controversy sells tickets and gets you to watch, even though you don't believe in the product.