The Official Wagon/Avant Discussion Thread
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is300eater (08-29-2023)
#5562
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charliemike (08-30-2023)
#5563
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
The wagon to get in Japan... STI version, so only 500 were made. But it's $50K.... Ouch
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Moderator
^ Also an auto
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RPhilMan1 (09-05-2023)
#5567
Isn't the Levorg STI more of an appearance package than a real STI? Same hardware as a CVT (blargh) WRX, no LSD, no Brembos, etc.
#5568
Whats up with RDX owners?
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#5569
Three Wheelin'
CVTs have taught me an important lesson honestly. I was always complaining about traditional, lazy torque converter automatics. Then, one day, I rented a car with a CVT. That experience brings to mind an episode of The Simpson when Bart says “this is the worse day of my life” and Homer with a failed attempt to cheer him up says “It’s the worse day, so far.”
A true turning point in life, I learned to appreciate what I have. I could be stuck driving my rental Altima on a daily basis, or even worse, I might be so removed from reality that I might thing it’s a “good” car.
Anyways, comedy over, CVT works pretty well in the Kawasaki mule we have, for a car though, it would take something very substantial for me to tolerate it.
A true turning point in life, I learned to appreciate what I have. I could be stuck driving my rental Altima on a daily basis, or even worse, I might be so removed from reality that I might thing it’s a “good” car.
Anyways, comedy over, CVT works pretty well in the Kawasaki mule we have, for a car though, it would take something very substantial for me to tolerate it.
#5570
I shoot people
I have zero issues or complaints with my Outback's CVT 🤷
#5571
Three Wheelin'
Maybe different tuning? I never drove an outback with CVT.
I just hated the feeling that the engine was driving the wheels via a rubber band. Pedal modulation affected rpm, not press in the seat. To be fair, I had traditional automatics do the same. I had a Hyundai Sonata loaner vehicle from Acura while my CL was getting a new transmission back in 2006. That car was a mess too, all 4 corners seemed like they had different springs and shocks. Hit a bridge junction, each corner traveled a different amount and settled at a different rate.
Sorry, I’m way off topic, I’ll dig through my phone I’m sure I have a pic of a wagon I can post.
I also saw, more than once, a Taycan GTS sport turismo driving around near me but I never was close enough to snap a good pic.
I just hated the feeling that the engine was driving the wheels via a rubber band. Pedal modulation affected rpm, not press in the seat. To be fair, I had traditional automatics do the same. I had a Hyundai Sonata loaner vehicle from Acura while my CL was getting a new transmission back in 2006. That car was a mess too, all 4 corners seemed like they had different springs and shocks. Hit a bridge junction, each corner traveled a different amount and settled at a different rate.
Sorry, I’m way off topic, I’ll dig through my phone I’m sure I have a pic of a wagon I can post.
I also saw, more than once, a Taycan GTS sport turismo driving around near me but I never was close enough to snap a good pic.
#5572
Moderator
I will say that the Subaru CVT is the most tolerable of the ones I've driven, Nissan being the worst.
My parents have an Outback Onyx & it only takes a minor adjustment in driving style to my 10AT Fords.
My parents have an Outback Onyx & it only takes a minor adjustment in driving style to my 10AT Fords.
#5573
Ex-OEM King
CVTs have taught me an important lesson honestly. I was always complaining about traditional, lazy torque converter automatics. Then, one day, I rented a car with a CVT. That experience brings to mind an episode of The Simpson when Bart says “this is the worse day of my life” and Homer with a failed attempt to cheer him up says “It’s the worse day, so far.”
A true turning point in life, I learned to appreciate what I have. I could be stuck driving my rental Altima on a daily basis, or even worse, I might be so removed from reality that I might thing it’s a “good” car.
Anyways, comedy over, CVT works pretty well in the Kawasaki mule we have, for a car though, it would take something very substantial for me to tolerate it.
A true turning point in life, I learned to appreciate what I have. I could be stuck driving my rental Altima on a daily basis, or even worse, I might be so removed from reality that I might thing it’s a “good” car.
Anyways, comedy over, CVT works pretty well in the Kawasaki mule we have, for a car though, it would take something very substantial for me to tolerate it.
On the flip side there is this. Subaru's CVTs are great. They feel like driving any other car and have just as much responsiveness and power as any other run of the mill automatic. It's not going to be ZF8 fast but that's not the point either. We've had two Subarus (still have one of them) with a CVT and both are great to drive around, FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better than any Nissan CVT.
It's a tangibly different design. Nissan has a belt (hence the rubber band feeling) and Subaru uses a chain.
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rockstar143 (09-14-2023)
#5575
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Now for something completely different!
1962 Olds F-85 Jetfire Wagon
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cupsi...MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng
1962 Olds F-85 Jetfire Wagon
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cupsi...MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng
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e30cabrio (09-14-2023)
#5578
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Speaking of sauerkraut..... Saw one of these (not this pic) while on my business trip in Germany. And yes, it's real.
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#5579
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If only.
Would probably be the worst selling Ford product for the US, but I'd be intrigued.
Similarly, the Mazda 6 Wagon & Mercedes C Wagon.
Would probably be the worst selling Ford product for the US, but I'd be intrigued.
Similarly, the Mazda 6 Wagon & Mercedes C Wagon.
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500E & ND2
The wagons were nice too. Shame we never got the 5MT W124 Estate.
The wagons were nice too. Shame we never got the 5MT W124 Estate.
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00TL-P3.2 (10-02-2023)
#5584
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
OK, back on topic...... A Peugeot 508
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She likes utilitarian vehicles for camping/paddleboarding and after her years in a minivan and eventually suburban, she seemed
to gravitate towards the wagons. I guess it helps that that's what I love and having traveled to Europe a few times now and seeing them
in their natural habitat, she fell in love too.
#5588
Three Wheelin'
Thanks!
She likes utilitarian vehicles for camping/paddleboarding and after her years in a minivan and eventually suburban, she seemed
to gravitate towards the wagons. I guess it helps that that's what I love and having traveled to Europe a few times now and seeing them
in their natural habitat, she fell in love too.
She likes utilitarian vehicles for camping/paddleboarding and after her years in a minivan and eventually suburban, she seemed
to gravitate towards the wagons. I guess it helps that that's what I love and having traveled to Europe a few times now and seeing them
in their natural habitat, she fell in love too.
Anyways, I still maintain hope that one day we will have a wagon.
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#5589
Moderator
Meanwhile, my wife loved her Flex & her current Expedition Max, but would rather walk than drive a minivan or wagon
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#5590
Three Wheelin'
her husband had a cts-v, he was looking for a wagon, but was too hard to find a reasonable one so he ended up with the sedan version.
we cross shopped the flex, back in 2010, I liked the turbo v6 they offered then but the 2011 model year odyssey was a better fit for us and we still have it.
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Moderator
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Skoda makes a good car.
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#5594
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Alpina makes the best M cars.
#5595
Three Wheelin'
agreed! I mentioned above in Europe I had a 5series touring as rental this past summer. As soon as I got home I went online to see how much the Alpina 5 touring cost, but discovered BMW moved on from the G30 generation… I was pretty disappointed to see it was no longer available, that car was great. I suspect had it been available, my disappointment would be with my wallet, so I guess same end result
I do hear a rumor the next gen 5 series will have an M touring though, and unlike the M3 touring, it might come to the USA.
Anyways, I think I would prefer the Alina treatment, I want it to keep a soft comfy suspension. Just have the monster engine. I’m not buying it to blast around a track.
I do hear a rumor the next gen 5 series will have an M touring though, and unlike the M3 touring, it might come to the USA.
Anyways, I think I would prefer the Alina treatment, I want it to keep a soft comfy suspension. Just have the monster engine. I’m not buying it to blast around a track.
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civicdrivr (11-24-2023)
#5596
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
The Subaru Levorg, but with an EZ30 (same as my avatar Legacy) turbocharged. This is sick...
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Well, I did but then I wouldn't have had pics for this thread.
Purpose of the trip was to pick up the rest of my interior that @KaMLuNg brought to @civicdrivr
whom graciously brought it the rest of the way down to NC...
Fun trip, it was!
Purpose of the trip was to pick up the rest of my interior that @KaMLuNg brought to @civicdrivr
whom graciously brought it the rest of the way down to NC...
Fun trip, it was!
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