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Old Aug 29, 2023 | 08:05 PM
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Wow! Well done!
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Old Aug 29, 2023 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
That pic is equally as good to show what 99.9% of Subarus do.

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I think there's a trial period, you'd want the Photoshop Beta though, that Generative Fill thing is still in the beta phase
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Old Sep 4, 2023 | 03:56 PM
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The wagon to get in Japan... STI version, so only 500 were made. But it's $50K.... Ouch







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Old Sep 5, 2023 | 08:43 AM
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^ Also an auto
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Old Sep 10, 2023 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
^ Also an auto
Worse: CVT

However, with the same engine as a WRX, I bet a 6MT swap could be done.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 12:07 PM
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CVT are not that bad.







for other people to own.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 01:55 PM
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Isn't the Levorg STI more of an appearance package than a real STI? Same hardware as a CVT (blargh) WRX, no LSD, no Brembos, etc.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 09:15 PM
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CVT are not that bad.

for other people to own.
People that are dead inside.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 09:43 PM
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CVTs have taught me an important lesson honestly. I was always complaining about traditional, lazy torque converter automatics. Then, one day, I rented a car with a CVT. That experience brings to mind an episode of The Simpson when Bart says “this is the worse day of my life” and Homer with a failed attempt to cheer him up says “It’s the worse day, so far.”

A true turning point in life, I learned to appreciate what I have. I could be stuck driving my rental Altima on a daily basis, or even worse, I might be so removed from reality that I might thing it’s a “good” car.

Anyways, comedy over, CVT works pretty well in the Kawasaki mule we have, for a car though, it would take something very substantial for me to tolerate it.
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 10:07 PM
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I have zero issues or complaints with my Outback's CVT 🤷
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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
I have zero issues or complaints with my Outback's CVT 🤷
Maybe different tuning? I never drove an outback with CVT.

I just hated the feeling that the engine was driving the wheels via a rubber band. Pedal modulation affected rpm, not press in the seat. To be fair, I had traditional automatics do the same. I had a Hyundai Sonata loaner vehicle from Acura while my CL was getting a new transmission back in 2006. That car was a mess too, all 4 corners seemed like they had different springs and shocks. Hit a bridge junction, each corner traveled a different amount and settled at a different rate.

Sorry, I’m way off topic, I’ll dig through my phone I’m sure I have a pic of a wagon I can post.
I also saw, more than once, a Taycan GTS sport turismo driving around near me but I never was close enough to snap a good pic.
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Old Sep 13, 2023 | 06:36 AM
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I will say that the Subaru CVT is the most tolerable of the ones I've driven, Nissan being the worst.
My parents have an Outback Onyx & it only takes a minor adjustment in driving style to my 10AT Fords.
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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
CVTs have taught me an important lesson honestly. I was always complaining about traditional, lazy torque converter automatics. Then, one day, I rented a car with a CVT. That experience brings to mind an episode of The Simpson when Bart says “this is the worse day of my life” and Homer with a failed attempt to cheer him up says “It’s the worse day, so far.”

A true turning point in life, I learned to appreciate what I have. I could be stuck driving my rental Altima on a daily basis, or even worse, I might be so removed from reality that I might thing it’s a “good” car.

Anyways, comedy over, CVT works pretty well in the Kawasaki mule we have, for a car though, it would take something very substantial for me to tolerate it.
Nissan CVTs are hot garbage, some of the worst things to ever come from a brand that makes almost exclusively garbage cars all around. They drive and feel like your transmission is a rubber band, no pickup, no power, no response, just all around terrible. I'm still surprised when I see anyone driving a Nissan and ask why they spent their money on that compared to literally anything else on the market today.

Originally Posted by is300eater
I have zero issues or complaints with my Outback's CVT 🤷
On the flip side there is this. Subaru's CVTs are great. They feel like driving any other car and have just as much responsiveness and power as any other run of the mill automatic. It's not going to be ZF8 fast but that's not the point either. We've had two Subarus (still have one of them) with a CVT and both are great to drive around, FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better than any Nissan CVT.

Originally Posted by PhilB81
Maybe different tuning? I never drove an outback with CVT.
It's a tangibly different design. Nissan has a belt (hence the rubber band feeling) and Subaru uses a chain.

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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 11:23 AM
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Now for something completely different!
1962 Olds F-85 Jetfire Wagon

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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by e30cabrio
Now for something completely different!
1962 Olds F-85 Jetfire Wagon

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cupsi...MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng
The wagon is cool, no doubt. But the captions have to go. I hate social media, and the fact that anyone under 25 will not even bother unless it's typed out for a 5th grader..... Just stupid.
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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 09:23 PM
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Ohhh man, I would love to take that wagon to a local cars n coffee, nice share.
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Old Sep 14, 2023 | 10:18 PM
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Old Sep 18, 2023 | 10:26 AM
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Speaking of sauerkraut..... Saw one of these (not this pic) while on my business trip in Germany. And yes, it's real.



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Old Sep 18, 2023 | 10:33 AM
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If only.
Would probably be the worst selling Ford product for the US, but I'd be intrigued.
Similarly, the Mazda 6 Wagon & Mercedes C Wagon.
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Old Sep 29, 2023 | 01:20 PM
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Gotta love all the automotive eye candy in Beverly Hills.




Not a wagon, I have seen several of these.




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Old Sep 29, 2023 | 02:33 PM
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Omg this guy posted non-wagons in a wagon threat, I vote BAN!

anyways, did you guys see this?

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Old Sep 29, 2023 | 03:58 PM
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500E & ND2
The wagons were nice too. Shame we never got the 5MT W124 Estate.
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Old Sep 29, 2023 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
500E & ND2
The wagons were nice too. Shame we never got the 5MT W124 Estate.
I had a feeling you would appreciate that clip
yeah agreed, I would have liked to see the manual estate have a go.
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Old Oct 6, 2023 | 08:08 PM
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OK, back on topic...... A Peugeot 508




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Old Oct 9, 2023 | 08:52 PM
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Ended up selling my lady's Passat Wagon a few weeks back,
replaced with this.
I love me the B8.5 platform!
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Old Oct 9, 2023 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
Ended up selling my lady's Passat Wagon a few weeks back,
replaced with this.
I love me the B8.5 platform!

nice upgrade! Does your lady like wagons, or she just tolerates your madness?
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Old Oct 10, 2023 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PhilB81
nice upgrade! Does your lady like wagons, or she just tolerates your madness?
Thanks!
She likes utilitarian vehicles for camping/paddleboarding and after her years in a minivan and eventually suburban, she seemed
to gravitate towards the wagons. I guess it helps that that's what I love and having traveled to Europe a few times now and seeing them
in their natural habitat, she fell in love too.
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Old Oct 10, 2023 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
Thanks!
She likes utilitarian vehicles for camping/paddleboarding and after her years in a minivan and eventually suburban, she seemed
to gravitate towards the wagons. I guess it helps that that's what I love and having traveled to Europe a few times now and seeing them
in their natural habitat, she fell in love too.
gotcha, my wife has no interest in large vehicles. The TL is as big as she wants and that’s why I don’t get to drive it much, for years that’s been “Her” daily. She will drive the minivan if she has to but isn’t excited about it, she has no interest in an SUVs. The car she wanted but we couldn’t afford was a lotus Elise… the odd contradiction is that she doesn’t like the Miata.
Anyways, I still maintain hope that one day we will have a wagon.
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Old Oct 10, 2023 | 11:36 AM
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Meanwhile, my wife loved her Flex & her current Expedition Max, but would rather walk than drive a minivan or wagon
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Old Oct 10, 2023 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Meanwhile, my wife loved her Flex & her current Expedition Max, but would rather walk than drive a minivan or wagon
LOL, she sounds like our neighbor. In 2010 when we got our minivan, we got the “hell nah you would not catch me driving a minivan”. (Sounds like a d!ck thing to say but it was pretty funny in the moment) She always had larger vehicles, Sequoia, suburban, expedition max and now telluride.
her husband had a cts-v, he was looking for a wagon, but was too hard to find a reasonable one so he ended up with the sedan version.

we cross shopped the flex, back in 2010, I liked the turbo v6 they offered then but the 2011 model year odyssey was a better fit for us and we still have it.
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Not a bad looking wagon

https://www.netcarshow.com/skoda/2024-superb_combi/



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Old Nov 2, 2023 | 07:07 PM
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Skoda makes a good car.
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Old Nov 17, 2023 | 10:10 PM
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Had to share.. Alpina!!


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Alpina makes the best M cars.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Alpina makes the best M cars.
agreed! I mentioned above in Europe I had a 5series touring as rental this past summer. As soon as I got home I went online to see how much the Alpina 5 touring cost, but discovered BMW moved on from the G30 generation… I was pretty disappointed to see it was no longer available, that car was great. I suspect had it been available, my disappointment would be with my wallet, so I guess same end result

I do hear a rumor the next gen 5 series will have an M touring though, and unlike the M3 touring, it might come to the USA.

Anyways, I think I would prefer the Alina treatment, I want it to keep a soft comfy suspension. Just have the monster engine. I’m not buying it to blast around a track.
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Old Nov 22, 2023 | 10:22 PM
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The Subaru Levorg, but with an EZ30 (same as my avatar Legacy) turbocharged. This is sick...


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Old Nov 27, 2023 | 07:04 AM
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Sup boys...some wagon pics from the recent dragon trip
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Old Nov 27, 2023 | 08:02 AM
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Beautiful pics, beautiful car!
you didn’t want to bring the vette up to the mountains?
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Old Nov 27, 2023 | 09:59 AM
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Well, I did but then I wouldn't have had pics for this thread.
Purpose of the trip was to pick up the rest of my interior that @KaMLuNg brought to @civicdrivr
whom graciously brought it the rest of the way down to NC...
Fun trip, it was!
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Old Nov 27, 2023 | 10:13 AM
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Nice community here! I really enjoyed looking at the pics from that trip spread out over a few threads!
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