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Old Jul 30, 2020 | 09:17 PM
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agreed. It's a shame to do that to an e30 touring.
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Old Jul 30, 2020 | 10:56 PM
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I kinda like it.

But must be a bitch to get the kid in the car seat when the back door doesn't open.
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Old Jul 31, 2020 | 07:31 AM
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Didn't even notice the flares cover the rear doors/handles.
It's an E30 Touring, so yes, but the add on bits & color are a turn off.

Subdue the flares a bit [smaller or split for the door sill] & make the rear doors usable, put some different wheels on it & change the body color, and I'd be a fan.
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Old Jul 31, 2020 | 10:14 AM
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I usually like Pandem kits, as ridiculous as they are. But that don’t look right.
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Old Jul 31, 2020 | 10:40 AM
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 12:29 PM
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So I was curiously browsing through Cars.com inventory and it looks like they're giving out 10k+ discounts on Volvo V90s. Too bad I'm not in the market for one at this stage in my life, but pretty tempting. Also not sure how good Volvo's turbo/supercharged 4cylinder is. Seems more complicated than it should be.
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 12:37 PM
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Lease is fine.. But if you are planning to buy and keep it for a LONG time... then IMO that is the car to avoid.

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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 01:32 PM
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Get a 10yr manufacturer extended warranty. It’s only $3000 for exclusionary coverage. Covers plenty of other things they are liable to break too, like the air suspension.
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 01:43 PM
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10 years on new car? or CPO?
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
10 years on new car? or CPO?
New. https://vip.steingold.com/product/Vo...&category_id=6
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 02:35 PM
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I wasn't impressed with the V90 T6. The engine has ok pickup, but the trans felt antiquated and there was noticeable lag below 3k rpm. If you don't like cars but need space and want to be different, I guess it's a decent choice. But if you like cars that aren't appliances, you'll probably be annoyed with it.

It is gorgeous though.
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 02:41 PM
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Hmmm, good to know. I've found then new Volvo's to also be gorgeous, especially the wagons. Don't need a wagon anytime soon, as I'm still living that single life lol. Just wanted to post my findings. I guess there's probably a reason for the heavy discounts then.
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Old Aug 4, 2020 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by honda_nut
Hmmm, good to know. I've found then new Volvo's to also be gorgeous, especially the wagons. Don't need a wagon anytime soon, as I'm still living that single life lol. Just wanted to post my findings. I guess there's probably a reason for the heavy discounts then.
Then go V60. Cheaper and a little better quality wise (I think they build those in Sweden).
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by honda_nut
Hmmm, good to know. I've found then new Volvo's to also be gorgeous, especially the wagons. Don't need a wagon anytime soon, as I'm still living that single life lol. Just wanted to post my findings. I guess there's probably a reason for the heavy discounts then.
Yeah, they don't sell. The lease deals are attractive though. I still want to check out the V60, just to see if that engine and trans works in a smaller car, and to see if the ride is better than the V90.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 09:54 AM
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All I had to read was "buzzy engine" in the V90 and all hopes of considering it were gone.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief F1 Fan
All I had to read was "buzzy engine" in the V90 and all hopes of considering it were gone.
It is definitely buzzy. I was surprised that the supercharger didn't add much down low. I can't imagine living with that engine in the XC90.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 11:05 AM
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I didn't have any problems with it when I test drove the T6 model. What does "buzzy" even mean? I can definitely say it's a lot more refined than the K24 Acura is using in the ILX and TLX. Doesn't sound as good, but much smoother.

Dismissing a car without having test driven it purely based on reviews is a disservice; if I did that with the TLX I'd never have bought it as the reviews were lackluster at best (and downright critical for the V6).
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 11:13 AM
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So you're saying the reviewers were wrong about the TLX?
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
So you're saying the reviewers were wrong about the TLX?
They were definitely right about the V6, but the I4 exceeded my expectations. Methinks they ended up conflating the two because of how lousy the V6 model was. FWIW that ended up a good thing for me, because I think a lot of people wrote off the I4 due to the less-than-stellar reviews (that predominantly criticized the V6 models), and I was able to get a smoking deal on one because Acura had a hard moving them.

I mean, you know it's bad when I would rather get the slower car even if they would have sold me the V6 model at the same price.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 11:51 AM
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That's exactly how I ended up with my current TLX. That 2.4/8DCT combo is smooth and enjoyable to drive plus gets excellent gas mileage. The V6 TLX was a no go from the beginning due to 9spd issues. Thought I'd miss the power coming from a 3G TL, but it's more than enough for a daily. The rest of the car however is a let down and basically cancels the pros out. I've been browsing around lately to see what I'd replace it with.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by honda_nut
That's exactly how I ended up with my current TLX. That 2.4/8DCT combo is smooth and enjoyable to drive plus gets excellent gas mileage. The V6 TLX was a no go from the beginning due to 9spd issues. Thought I'd miss the power coming from a 3G TL, but it's more than enough for a daily. The rest of the car however is a let down and basically cancels the pros out. I've been browsing around lately to see what I'd replace it with.
I think for a commuter car, it's just about perfect. Cheap to run, cheap to insure, comfortable, very quiet, and a good sound system. As a sports sedan or luxury car it's wholly flawed, but as a nicer and more refined 9G Accord for not much more money (and without a CVT) it makes a lot of sense.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 04:51 PM
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 05:29 PM
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 06:17 PM
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i keep on looking at those tiny kidney grills they were so small at one time


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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
i keep on looking at those tiny kidney grills they were so small at one time

What was BMW thinking with that new grille. >_<
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 08:12 PM
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What's old is new again?

(BTW, I hate the new grill design, too.)





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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 08:21 PM
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A little late to hop on the retro bandwagon, BMW.
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 09:41 PM
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Old Aug 5, 2020 | 11:11 PM
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Old Aug 6, 2020 | 07:39 AM
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The jumbo kidneys at least flowed with the car design on the vintage models. The new ones are just too much.
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Old Aug 7, 2020 | 06:08 PM
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Old Aug 10, 2020 | 12:39 PM
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Old Aug 10, 2020 | 03:06 PM
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Yeah, they don't sell. The lease deals are attractive though. I still want to check out the V60, just to see if that engine and trans works in a smaller car, and to see if the ride is better than the V90.
I never drove a V90, but can't really complain about the V60 other than it is missing a pedal. A-Plan combined with rebates made this an easier decision....finally. I wasn't looking for more performance than my TL...I was looking for more modern features and practicality without giving up roughly similar levels of performance.



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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:31 AM
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 07:26 AM
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What was BMW thinking with that new grille. >_<
"We wanna be like Lexus!"
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
My buddy leased one of these for a bit.
It was cool.
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:20 PM
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You know there is a reason why they only show the rear right?


BMW M and Markus Flasch have officially confirmed the existence of the first ever M3 Touring.

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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:24 PM
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Rendering... i would say it will be pretty close...


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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:25 PM
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So it's basically a butterface
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Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:30 PM
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Don't be daft... it's a Buttergesicht.
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