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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Not bad at all. Probably more of a hooligan than the V60 was.
Definitely makes me curious to find one locally to test drive.


Originally Posted by SamDoe1
yes, because I also want one (in MT) and if you have one, that's one less I can find and there's not that many of them in good shape.
bro...
I want one badly...which doesn't say much but...I really do.
At this point we have a circle of people in here that end up just selling cars to each other anyway so either one of us needs to get one.
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 02:11 PM
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^My old boss when I lived in Germany (1996) had an 850R. That thing was amazing. It looked like this:






Some backstory on the model:
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And a V70R for sale: 2006 V70R
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 04:41 PM
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Old Jun 27, 2020 | 04:49 PM
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Dear BMW.

Please bring M340 wagon to US.

kthx

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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 11:48 AM
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Dear Audi,

Please bring the S4 and RS4 Avants to the US as well.

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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 11:49 AM
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Dear Mercedes,

Please bring the C43 and C63 wagons to the US too
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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 01:53 PM
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Or come to Canada to buy yours and drive it back?

Mercedes Canada has the C43 Estate.
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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Or come to Canada to buy yours and drive it back?

Mercedes Canada has the C43 Estate.
Can't do that. Believe you me, I've looked into it.

https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/en/admissibility



MBC will not provide Compliance Letters for:
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    - B-Class
    - smart fortwo (MY2006 or earlier - Model 450)
    - C-Class Wagon
    - Other Canada unique models
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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fiatlux
Can't do that. Believe you me, I've looked into it.

https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/en/admissibility
Dayum...did NOT know that. Learned something today. That sucks.
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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 07:36 PM
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Old Jun 28, 2020 | 08:37 PM
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^ Have to show some Ferrari love. Nice
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:00 AM
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Found this gem locally. Very tempting but no warranty makes me too nervous haha

Asking 27K but I'm sure he can go down.

2014 BMW 328i XDrive M Sport
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:07 AM
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Very nice.



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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JS + XES
Found this gem locally. Very tempting but no warranty makes me too nervous haha

Asking 27K but I'm sure he can go down.

2014 BMW 328i XDrive M Sport
40K miles
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KG Splitters set (not pictured)
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27k seems like a lot for a 328, but it seems like a pretty rare car.

If it were me .. I'd go Diesel
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:36 AM
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Jin, you ever miss that Audi wagon?
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 11:05 AM
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lmao private party book value is around $17k. Dude is smoking the good stuff.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
lmao private party book value is around $17k. Dude is smoking the good stuff.
More like drinking the good stuff now.


Clorox.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Dear BMW.

Please bring M340 wagon to US.

kthx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ictvADjLB8
it is almost as fast as the RS....
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerT
27k seems like a lot for a 328, but it seems like a pretty rare car.

If it were me .. I'd go Diesel
Agreed... You check the price for Diesel yet?

I had the 328d as loaner back in the days, the extra torque made it a lot more enjoyable than the weak gas 328.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Agreed... You check the price for Diesel yet?

I had the 328d as loaner back in the days, the extra torque made it a lot more enjoyable than the weak gas 328.
I've driven a few small cars (under 1.5L) that were diesel .. they're surprisingly enjoyable to put put around town in.

I know the diesel demands a premium but, I would not spend 27k on a 6 year old gasoline 328 Touring
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:13 PM
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I would love an A6 Avant (can't afford the RS6)...

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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:16 PM
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We had this discussion elsewhere, but IMO I would not buy an out-of-warranty German diesel.

Actually, unless it's pre-1998, you're just asking for a painful butt-reaming
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:18 PM
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Actually, the Arteon SB is a reallllly nice consolation prize...it needs to come to NA.

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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:18 PM
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Looks like Audi USA gets the A6 Allroad: https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-a6-allroad

What's diff between Allroad and Avant? (if any...?)
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nist7
Looks like Audi USA gets the A6 Allroad: https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-a6-allroad

What's diff between Allroad and Avant? (if any...?)
$30k and about 260hp.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nist7
Looks like Audi USA gets the A6 Allroad: https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-a6-allroad

What's diff between Allroad and Avant? (if any...?)
Allroad is like the Volvo Cross Country trim...it's still a car but got a bit more clearance and intended for some "off-roading" if need be.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:22 PM
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The RS6 config is live now too. I find it hilarious that a $110k executive car doesn't come standard with radar cruise when my girlfriends $27k Honda does. Also, the available colors suck.


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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:26 PM
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^ I'd take an RS6 in ImpeachedDon orange. ANY COLOR.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:31 PM
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i didnt know Ceramic brake increases your top speed damn who needs tuned ECU when you can get ceramic brake
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:33 PM
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that is a perfectly proportioned car...
gorgeous wagon. wow.
I can't believe such a prestigious car brand would
go live without catching pretty obvious typos like an extra
"1" in the MSRP.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:37 PM
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I would prefer the extra 0 to be gone... 1 can stay..
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:38 PM
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Those wheels look like they will bent or crack within 1 hour of driving...
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:38 PM
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Let's be honest though, adaptive radar or colour choices probably won't deter anyone

I'm kind of torn on the RS6 Avant (as someone who'd probably never buy one). It's exciting that it exists, but it's so exclusive I'd never take advantage of its advantages (ex. DD'ing or winter driving it, loading it with a dirty bike or house equipment, etc.)

That is just a really cool, expensive, fast car. If I was gonna spend $110-130k on a car, it would be on something like a 911 Turbo. Something I can use for its intended purpose with less guilt.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Aman
Let's be honest though, adaptive radar or colour choices probably won't deter anyone

I'm kind of torn on the RS6 Avant (as someone who'd probably never buy one). It's exciting that it exists, but it's so exclusive I'd never take advantage of its advantages (ex. DD'ing or winter driving it, loading it with a dirty bike or house equipment, etc.)

That is just a really cool, expensive, fast car. If I was gonna spend $110-130k on a car, it would be on something like a 911 Turbo. Something I can use for its intended purpose with less guilt.
FWIW, if you can afford a $130K MSRP car, you can also afford that 911 Turbo as your other car.

At least in my books.


But, Amerikan dream may be to you know, get finance on your finance of your finance of your other finance...to get this car.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:41 PM
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Like, at least with the crew I run with, if we buy a $75K CAD car, the other car is about $75K CAD too.

So, hence the FX and S5 for us. But, again, I get that this is not possibly the "formula".
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:44 PM
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We had this discussion elsewhere, but IMO I would not buy an out-of-warranty German diesel.

Actually, unless it's pre-1998, you're just asking for a painful butt-reaming
Yup.

I flirted with buying a 2015 Audi A7 TDI.

Did a bunch of diesel research over the past 2 weeks (mostly VW TDI dieselgate motors but diesel in general). Final decision: do NOT buy a out of warranty diesel car unless you are ready to pay or have someone who can work on them for cheap.

Problem with diesel motors: high compression needed ( no spark plug) and uneven combustion (relative to gas) leads to unburnt particulates and of course dirtier exhaust. And, diesel fuel injectors are apparently high pressure and more finely atomized....good for combustion/emission but also easier to get clogged up (especially DI and carbon build up issues too).

Then you have the much more complex exhaust system compared to gasoline cars. For the Audi I was looking at...you had a "pre cat" of sort that had the first in line filtering/NOx reduction, then you have the Diesel Particular Filter (the Audi DPF part itself cost almost $2000....and there are tons of sensors too that are can run $150 or more), and then you have the Diesel Exhaust Fluid injection system that squirts urea fluid to further reduce exhaust emissions...and this requires a tank, refill of the DEF, and a pump and line and injector....easily close to ~$10,000+ total system cost in itself if it is totally redone at dealer prices....independent shops cheaper but still are going to run many thousands simply because the parts are insanely expensive.

A quote from a TDI forum showed dealer cost of a DPF replacement can easily run several thousand dollars a pop. Though this was Audi/VW specific...not sure how BMW do their diesels.

But you do get insane MPG though....the A7 TDI can get 40+ mpg and the Golf/Jetta TDIs people can easily get 50 and sometimes get close to 60mpg.....

Also not good for short putting around town....apparently short trips are horrible for the DPF and unburnt particulates accumulate and clog up the filter for good and it can't regenerate and so has to be replaced. Apparently the DPF can be "regenerated" by either longer drives or "active" regen where higher temp gases is run it through to burn off the particulates before it clogs up for good.

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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Aman
Let's be honest though, adaptive radar or colour choices probably won't deter anyone

I'm kind of torn on the RS6 Avant (as someone who'd probably never buy one). It's exciting that it exists, but it's so exclusive I'd never take advantage of its advantages (ex. DD'ing or winter driving it, loading it with a dirty bike or house equipment, etc.)

That is just a really cool, expensive, fast car. If I was gonna spend $110-130k on a car, it would be on something like a 911 Turbo. Something I can use for its intended purpose with less guilt.
My problem is with the over-the-top-ness of it. Why ignore the folks that would be all over a $60k wagon and go straight to bringing a $110k wagon here? They're missing out on a larger audience imo, but I get it - a nearly 600hp wagon gets noticed more by the press.

If I had $130k to drop on a car, it would be a used E63 Estate and a 987 Cayman for the weekend.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 03:01 PM
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
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If I had $130k to drop on a car, it would be a used E63 Estate and a 987 Cayman for the weekend.
Well, the scope is if you are out to get ONE car with $130K...and in your case, that's some nice alternative to just 1 vehicle.
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Old Jun 29, 2020 | 03:04 PM
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If I ever came into a situation where I can drop $130K into a car, the RS6 would for sure be in my consideration just because of its audacity...that much power in basically a grocery-getter and because, well, I can.

That being said, Porsche 911? BMW M6 Gran Coupe...? Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo...? Mercedes-Benz AMG-GT? Heck, RLX with upgraded wheels?


I'd have to do my homework and really research and etc.
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