The Official BMW 3-Series Discussion Thread
#4521
Moderator
#4522
My first Avatar....
#4523
Fahrvergnügen'd
But from what I've read, the FWD system isn't bad. But that said, they should have brought the 321hp AWD Insignia OPC over here ...
#4524
Aint Doing Sh*t
Why would they bastardized that car for the NA market is beyond me. Then have a GS model. If you going to rebadge an Opel bring the whole thing over.
#4525
Fahrvergnügen'd
I'm of the opinion that AWD and the Turbo-4 would have been a better decision than what they did.
I've seen the car in person and sat in it. It's definitely American on the inside but not detrimentally so. It's a nice car. It's in some ways more interesting than a $38k A4 Premium Plus would be.
But it could have been so much more and there's an ATS waiting in the wings to be what the GS should have been.
#4526
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
The new Buick Regal GS looks pretty good, but I would take the A4 Premium Plus + 6MT with S line package over it any day.
#4527
My first Avatar....
I guess they felt that because they don't make the car in the US right now, it would be too expensive.
I'm of the opinion that AWD and the Turbo-4 would have been a better decision than what they did.
I've seen the car in person and sat in it. It's definitely American on the inside but not detrimentally so. It's a nice car. It's in some ways more interesting than a $38k A4 Premium Plus would be.
But it could have been so much more and there's an ATS waiting in the wings to be what the GS should have been.
I'm of the opinion that AWD and the Turbo-4 would have been a better decision than what they did.
I've seen the car in person and sat in it. It's definitely American on the inside but not detrimentally so. It's a nice car. It's in some ways more interesting than a $38k A4 Premium Plus would be.
But it could have been so much more and there's an ATS waiting in the wings to be what the GS should have been.
But at least the ATS will have AWD or RWD.
#4528
Fahrvergnügen'd
It'd be $2-3k more but I agree with you.
Which is really why the GS should have been $34k instead of $38k. Suddenly, it's competing with the Maxima and not the A4/3-Series.
#4529
Banned
Really nice pic. Likely to succeed my E90. Alpine White again.
Although I despite this 4-cyl. which I test drove; it gets humiliated quickly compared to Toyota 3.5L V6 found in a Camry V6. But hey, that was already the case with the 328i N52.
Last edited by Saintor; 02-15-2012 at 07:31 PM.
#4530
Currently Post-Acura
Read the MotorTrend review and they said they prefer the new 328 over the 335. Said the new 328 is as fast as the old one, despite the cylinder loss. And that the 4-cyl is able to be more mid-mounted on the car so it handled better. And to add, all I saw while watching Hulu today were ads about the new 3 series. Some were a little stupid though (everyone in the car grabbing for the heated steering wheel cus they were cold)
#4531
Banned
#4533
My first Avatar....
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240 to the wheels?![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
How badly does BMW under rate this car?
240 to the wheels?
![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
How badly does BMW under rate this car?
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#4535
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Nice power. I cant wait for the tuners to get a hold of it.
#4537
My first Avatar....
I don't understand why car makers under rate their cars. At 270 @the flywheel why would one really want to buy a 335 with "300" @the flywheel? ![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
Looking forward to more reviews of this car. But the price =
![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
Looking forward to more reviews of this car. But the price =
![Why Me](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/whyme.gif)
#4538
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Isnt the 335 underrated as well? They used to underrate horsepower back in the 60s for insurance purposes, Im not sure if thats the same these days.
#4541
Banned
I think that the 335i makes much more sense actually.
F30 328i sport with sunroof, xenon; 42795$
F30 335i sport with sunroof, xenon; 44995$.
2200$ difference. Sounds of that I6 is zillions times better. And accelerating from idle, the 335i still buries the 328i. Don't rely too much on 0-60mph times; they are achieved with extreme abuse (like dropping the clutch from 4000rpm).
According to EPA, the 335i costs in fuel about 10$/month more than a 328i if both are automatic.
A no-brainer.
F30 328i sport with sunroof, xenon; 42795$
F30 335i sport with sunroof, xenon; 44995$.
2200$ difference. Sounds of that I6 is zillions times better. And accelerating from idle, the 335i still buries the 328i. Don't rely too much on 0-60mph times; they are achieved with extreme abuse (like dropping the clutch from 4000rpm).
According to EPA, the 335i costs in fuel about 10$/month more than a 328i if both are automatic.
A no-brainer.
Last edited by Saintor; 02-19-2012 at 09:00 AM.
#4542
My first Avatar....
When will the 335 motor be upgraded?
#4543
I'm Craig
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I think that the 335i makes much more sense actually.
F30 328i sport with sunroof, xenon; 42795$
F30 335i sport with sunroof, xenon; 44995$.
2200$ difference. Sounds of that I6 is zillions times better. And accelerating from idle, the 335i still buries the 328i. Don't rely too much on 0-60mph times; they are achieved with extreme abuse (like dropping the clutch from 4000rpm).
According to EPA, the 335i costs in fuel about 10$/month more than a 328i if both are automatic.
A no-brainer.
F30 328i sport with sunroof, xenon; 42795$
F30 335i sport with sunroof, xenon; 44995$.
2200$ difference. Sounds of that I6 is zillions times better. And accelerating from idle, the 335i still buries the 328i. Don't rely too much on 0-60mph times; they are achieved with extreme abuse (like dropping the clutch from 4000rpm).
According to EPA, the 335i costs in fuel about 10$/month more than a 328i if both are automatic.
A no-brainer.
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#4544
Burning Brakes
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terribly dumb question so bare with me. i am now located in upstate new york. AKA #1 area for snow in the US.
next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.
I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.
next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.
I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.
#4545
Anyone see this yet? 335i (n54), single-turbo conversion 627WHP@22.5psi:
Details:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651949
Details:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651949
Last edited by Moodist; 02-22-2012 at 09:26 AM.
#4546
Fahrvergnügen'd
terribly dumb question so bare with me. i am now located in upstate new york. AKA #1 area for snow in the US.
next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.
I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.
next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.
I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.
I would say a Golf R is closer to what the STi is than a 335xi. Considering the 335xi is probably $12-15k more.
#4547
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
terribly dumb question so bare with me. i am now located in upstate new york. AKA #1 area for snow in the US.
next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.
I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.
next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.
I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.
#4548
Well I sold my 2.5rs subaru for something more comfortable, and so I don't have to daily the s2k because it takes the joy out of it personally I picked this beauty up.
2009 Alpine White 335i Coupe (e92)
14k miles
Sport/Prem/Cold/Navi/6MT
Hope you like the picture of my 335i and s2k together.
2009 Alpine White 335i Coupe (e92)
14k miles
Sport/Prem/Cold/Navi/6MT
Hope you like the picture of my 335i and s2k together.
![](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/TraiTimLeLoi/photo-1.jpg)
#4549
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
Love the cars man! Congrats!
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#4552
Team Owner
#4554
Senior Moderator
Honestly, many different BMW models are underrated when it comes to advertised horsepower.
#4555
My first Avatar....
I understand all of these thoughts. But my question is why don't the just say what the HP is and be done with it?
#4556
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
I don't really care what the advertised or actual numbers are. Last night, I watched like 6 video review of the new 328i, and I'm just super excited to see what this car will do with mods!
#4557
Team Owner
Marketing
if BMW claimed F30 328 has 270hp. then who is going to buy 335?
If bmw claimed E90/F30 335 has 350hp, then less people will buy M3
You have to leave gaps to differentiate between models within the same brand, even if it means "underrate your newest model to reduce the effects on your other models"
So, people who are interested in 335 will still have the motivation to purchase the more expensive/more profitable models.
People who are interested in 328 will still be interested in 328 regardless if it has 240hp or 270hp, because there is nothing under 328. But 335 and M3 buyers have a choice.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 02-24-2012 at 12:55 PM.
#4558
My first Avatar....
I completely understand the marketing thing...really.
But are you saying that the differences:
270 HP (328)
350 HP (335)
414 HP (M3) assuming the M3 is NOT underrated
are not enough for Marketing reasons?
Those differences seem considerable enough to cause thinking on the part of any buyer.
Plus, if there are people who are cross shopping brands...example....If someone is looking at an Infiniti G37 coupe at 330HP, and they see the BMW 335 at 350HP...wouldn't that give the edge to the Bimmer? At least psychologically speaking?
Thus...my original question still stands....why not just tell us what they are, instead of underrating your own products?
But are you saying that the differences:
270 HP (328)
350 HP (335)
414 HP (M3) assuming the M3 is NOT underrated
are not enough for Marketing reasons?
Those differences seem considerable enough to cause thinking on the part of any buyer.
Plus, if there are people who are cross shopping brands...example....If someone is looking at an Infiniti G37 coupe at 330HP, and they see the BMW 335 at 350HP...wouldn't that give the edge to the Bimmer? At least psychologically speaking?
Thus...my original question still stands....why not just tell us what they are, instead of underrating your own products?