ttribe

Yeah, uh, that's a bit much.

pttl

The only thing wrong with the Buick is it's FWD. Otherwise it would be a friggin bargain compared to the 328i.

charliemike

I want to go drive one but not have to deal with jackhole salespeople. It's not like I'm in the market right now.

But from what I've read, the FWD system isn't bad. But that said, they should have brought the 321hp AWD Insignia OPC over here ...

batman

Why would they bastardized that car for the NA market is beyond me. Then have a GS model. If you going to rebadge an Opel bring the whole thing over.

charliemike

I guess they felt that because they don't make the car in the US right now, it would be too expensive.

I'm of the opinion that AWD and the Turbo-4 would have been a better decision than what they did.

I've seen the car in person and sat in it. It's definitely American on the inside but not detrimentally so. It's a nice car. It's in some ways more interesting than a $38k A4 Premium Plus would be.

But it could have been so much more and there's an ATS waiting in the wings to be what the GS should have been.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

The new Buick Regal GS looks pretty good, but I would take the A4 Premium Plus + 6MT with S line package over it any day.

pttl

This is the new star from GM if all goes well. This summer will be the start of the sedan. I hope GM doesn't blow it, and actually cancel the coupe/wagon/V variants.

But at least the ATS will have AWD or RWD.

charliemike

Looks like Audi has killed the S-Line option for now. Their site doesn't list it.

It'd be $2-3k more but I agree with you.

Which is really why the GS should have been $34k instead of $38k. Suddenly, it's competing with the Maxima and not the A4/3-Series.

Saintor

Really nice pic. Likely to succeed my E90. Alpine White again.

Although I despite this 4-cyl. which I test drove; it gets humiliated quickly compared to Toyota 3.5L V6 found in a Camry V6. But hey, that was already the case with the 328i N52.

MaxMike93

Read the MotorTrend review and they said they prefer the new 328 over the 335. Said the new 328 is as fast as the old one, despite the cylinder loss. And that the 4-cyl is able to be more mid-mounted on the car so it handled better. And to add, all I saw while watching Hulu today were ads about the new 3 series. Some were a little stupid though (everyone in the car grabbing for the heated steering wheel cus they were cold)

Saintor

The 328i N52 was also 150-200lbs lighter than the 335i. It is NOT because of the turbo engine. Actually the US SPECS F30 328i is HEAVIER than the E90 328i.

West6MT

Dyno of the new 328

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-12...-Dyno-Test.htm

pttl

^
240 to the wheels?

How badly does BMW under rate this car?

cjTL

iTrader: (2)

The F30 335 doesn't make much sense compared to the new 328.

civicdrivr

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Nice power. I cant wait for the tuners to get a hold of it.

Will Y.

If that car is representative, then it's around 270 hp at the flywheel-- which is why the magazine tests show a 0-60 in the high-5 second range for the 328...

pttl

I don't understand why car makers under rate their cars. At 270 @the flywheel why would one really want to buy a 335 with "300" @the flywheel?

Looking forward to more reviews of this car. But the price =

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Isnt the 335 underrated as well? They used to underrate horsepower back in the 60s for insurance purposes, Im not sure if thats the same these days.

cjTL

iTrader: (2)

Amen. But when you're buying the best of the best sports sedans, a true legend really...then I guess you have to pay to play.

Will Y.

Probably. BMW was giving a 0-60 figure of 5.3-5.5 seconds, but most magazine tests have come in around 4.9, which is faster than one would expect from a 300 HP car of similar weight.

Saintor

I think that the 335i makes much more sense actually.

F30 328i sport with sunroof, xenon; 42795$
F30 335i sport with sunroof, xenon; 44995$.

2200$ difference. Sounds of that I6 is zillions times better. And accelerating from idle, the 335i still buries the 328i. Don't rely too much on 0-60mph times; they are achieved with extreme abuse (like dropping the clutch from 4000rpm).

According to EPA, the 335i costs in fuel about 10$/month more than a 328i if both are automatic.

A no-brainer.

pttl

When will the 335 motor be upgraded?

cjTL

iTrader: (2)

You have a point when its put that way. Interesting.

Waltah

iTrader: (3)

terribly dumb question so bare with me. i am now located in upstate new york. AKA #1 area for snow in the US.

next fall i will be entertaining the idea of a *FUN* AWD vehicle to replace the TL. It need to be a sedan, be sporty, and MANUAL TRANS is a must.

I love the 2011+ sedan STi's, but the ringland issues scare me. Would you folks put a 335xi in the "fun to drive" category, similar to an STi? albeit more luxurious.

Moodist

iTrader: (2)

Anyone see this yet? 335i (n54), single-turbo conversion 627WHP@22.5psi:


Details:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651949

charliemike

They are totally different cars, aren't they?

I would say a Golf R is closer to what the STi is than a 335xi. Considering the 335xi is probably $12-15k more.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Get the STi for a good deal. It can be had around $32k I believe.

BaByBlAcKtYpE-s

iTrader: (2)

Well I sold my 2.5rs subaru for something more comfortable, and so I don't have to daily the s2k because it takes the joy out of it personally I picked this beauty up.

2009 Alpine White 335i Coupe (e92)
14k miles
Sport/Prem/Cold/Navi/6MT

Hope you like the picture of my 335i and s2k together.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Love the cars man! Congrats!

BaByBlAcKtYpE-s

iTrader: (2)

Thank you, love what you've done with the ms3

ladiesman217

nice e92 bro

oonowindoo

you know, you just answered your own questions.

Crazy Bimmer

Plus the 335i is under rated as well.

F23A4

Honestly, many different BMW models are underrated when it comes to advertised horsepower.

pttl

I understand all of these thoughts. But my question is why don't the just say what the HP is and be done with it?

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

I don't really care what the advertised or actual numbers are. Last night, I watched like 6 video review of the new 328i, and I'm just super excited to see what this car will do with mods!

oonowindoo

again you already answered your questions but let me make it clear for you.


Marketing

if BMW claimed F30 328 has 270hp. then who is going to buy 335?
If bmw claimed E90/F30 335 has 350hp, then less people will buy M3

You have to leave gaps to differentiate between models within the same brand, even if it means "underrate your newest model to reduce the effects on your other models"
So, people who are interested in 335 will still have the motivation to purchase the more expensive/more profitable models.
People who are interested in 328 will still be interested in 328 regardless if it has 240hp or 270hp, because there is nothing under 328. But 335 and M3 buyers have a choice.

pttl

I completely understand the marketing thing...really.

But are you saying that the differences:
270 HP (328)
350 HP (335)
414 HP (M3) assuming the M3 is NOT underrated
are not enough for Marketing reasons?

Those differences seem considerable enough to cause thinking on the part of any buyer.

Plus, if there are people who are cross shopping brands...example....If someone is looking at an Infiniti G37 coupe at 330HP, and they see the BMW 335 at 350HP...wouldn't that give the edge to the Bimmer? At least psychologically speaking?

Thus...my original question still stands....why not just tell us what they are, instead of underrating your own products?

Saintor

With my car rated at only 200HP I wish.

I have the PBX and I think that changed the throttle mapping back to Euro 325i levels (just an hypothesis).... and it doesn't feel much different than any 328i actually.

batman

I think the price is staggering. I priced a 328i to what I would like to have and it rang in at 45k.