The Official BMW 3-Series Discussion Thread
12-10-2007, 01:22 AM
#1
COME AT ME BRO!
Thread Starter
The Official BMW 3-Series Discussion Thread
Hey everyone! I just wanted to make a thread for ALL 335i talk. We keep taking over a lot of other threads, so I figured we could just have our own. This is for current owners and perspective owners to gather and trade information. 
Have any of you ever dealt with http://335ishop.com/, or know anything about them?
Have any of you ever dealt with http://335ishop.com/, or know anything about them?
12-10-2007, 08:46 AM
#6
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
I guess, but there is already a lot of info out there, why not just continue in those threads?
Because most of the info is spread over 10 threads. If we bumped all of them up then AZ would get annoyed.
I think this is a better idea, we can keep it all in one thread now. Maybe if the mods want to even merge the old threads in one, that would work as well.
Oh and the 335i ownz all.
Who all here has one?
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12-10-2007, 08:57 AM
#10
I
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Blasphemy!
BMW forums get annoying, its basically like one big RSX forum with all the kids.
BMW forums get annoying, its basically like one big RSX forum with all the kids.
E36 328i > *
12-10-2007, 09:14 AM
#13
I
Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
That's what I was going to post next
12-10-2007, 09:21 AM
#14
My Garage
Originally Posted by FastAcura
And then we wouldn't even need "car talk" because we could just go to all the different forums and post about cars that we open new threads for.
Are you serious? What's wrong with having an "official thread?" rather than 5 different ones? If you have a problem with it, why did you click on it?
12-10-2007, 10:41 AM
#19
COME AT ME BRO!
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Because most of the info is spread over 10 threads. If we bumped all of them up then AZ would get annoyed.
I think this is a better idea, we can keep it all in one thread now. Maybe if the mods want to even merge the old threads in one, that would work as well.
Oh and the 335i ownz all.
Who all here has one?
I think this is a better idea, we can keep it all in one thread now. Maybe if the mods want to even merge the old threads in one, that would work as well.
Oh and the 335i ownz all.
Who all here has one?
12-10-2007, 01:44 PM
#21
Senior Moderator
Good morning, here is some awesome Monday news from Dinan:
Available now at all 150 Dinan dealers.
Dinan, the leader in BMW tuning is now introducing the long awaited BMW 335i Dinan Performance Engine Software. After 29 years of engineering quality Dinan continues to introduce products that are researched, developed and fully tested to meet and exceed the quality and reliability standards of the BMW factory. This new software continues this tradition and is available December 2007.
Design
The revolutionary Dinan Performance Engine Software increases boost from 8.8psi to 13.2psi with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. All of these dimensions in the software lead to an enhanced car that behaves like stock and operates as reliable as OEM.
Dinan’s software engineering team’s ground-breaking design requires no “piggybacking” or adding “secret” boxes to add onto the ECU. The beauty of Dinan’s design that’s tuned with the proper software tools and not by intercepting and faking signals back into the ECU. The Dinan Performance Engine Software is the only software that addresses all the key areas important to engine performance and safety. Unlike other units currently on the market, the Dinan Performance Engine Software does not compromise reliability. It works in conjunction with the engine management system while preserving all the engine safety monitors.
To top this all off, the ECU for the car does not need to be taken out to load the software. There is no need to take out the ECU and create downtime for customers who want this software. It is completely “plug and play”, go to any Authorized Dinan Dealer and they will upload the software through the OBDII port. Simple, the way it should be.
Performance
The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the boost from 8.8psi to 13.2psi which increases power to 384 hp and 421 lb/ft torque. This is an increase of 52hp and 96 lb/ft of torque. When a Dinan exhaust (rear mufflers and middle exhaust wit X-pipe) are added the output increases to 392hp and 429 lb/ft torque. This is an increase of 62hp and 103 lb/ft of torque. The top speed governor has also been removed to allow the car to reach its full potential.
The drivability stays close to stock as much as possible, although the Dinan Performance Engine Software does give out 50% more boost during the same time frame compared to a stock 335i, enhancing the aggressiveness on the spool up. This creates a driving feel that is unequalled in smooth, rapid power delivery with massive midrange torque.
To even further the performance of the software and preserve engine reliability, Dinan reprograms the electronically controlled water pump to increase flow during high boost usage. In addition Dinan also offers an optional oil cooler. Twice the size of the stock oil cooler, the Dinan unit allows the better heat transfer and flow through the cooler than stock, keeping the engine and turbo’s well within temperature limits with the increase in boost. Dinan has a huge selection of compatible products that will work to compliment the software with more coming out soon.
Warranty
Dinan is the only tuner on the BMW market that has a 4 year/ 50k mile factory matching warranty including consequential damages. If your car does not come with an oil cooler, one is required with the Dinan software to maintain warranty coverage. If you have the factory small oil cooler, Dinan still strongly recommends the larger oil cooler upgrade.
Price
Software cost is $2,000.00, The oil cooler cost is $2,000.00 as well.
The Dinan Way
Dinan has taken the time to comprehensively research what is necessary to do tuning the way the factory would. The Dinan Engine Performance Software is an example of this. There are many different areas other than power that Dinan has addressed to ensure reliability and longevity of your vehicle. Here is just a small list of some of the concerns that were found with the vehicle during research and development.
- At high loads for extended periods of time the oil and water temperature ran much to warm. If these were to be left unchecked it could result in damage to the pistons and cylinder walls. To fix this Dinan remapped the water pump and increased the oil cooler size to keep temperatures under control.
- At higher boost settings in the higher RPM range the turbo exceeded the design RPM limit, shortening the lifespan of the turbo. Dinan addressed this problem by tapering boost gradually at high RPM. Future plans include adding larger turbo’s that can handle higher boost pressures at high RPM’s without compromising the durability of the turbo.
- At high boost, the compressor air temperature would exceed the intercoolers ability to cool the intake charge resulting in loss of power and compromising the long term durability of the engine. Dinan addressed this problem by tapering boost gradually at high RPM. Future plans include adding larger turbo’s and a more efficient intercooler so we can increase boost at high RPM’s without compromising the engine’s durability as well as dramatic additional increases in power.
- The engine block on the 335i may not be torsionally rigid enough to handle the torque load on the engine causing premature crankshaft failures. Studies are currently going on to find the weak point in the block and may include block modifications to make the block more rigid for the future higher power applications.
- We believe with proper research it is possible to increase HP to well in excess of 400 hp and torque to over 450 lb/ft!! This of course with great reliability.
Dinan is not always the first on the market with a product, but we are always the best when it comes to the quality of the product. Engineering takes time and research and to do it right means not to rush to the market with a product that has not been fully evaluated on every side. Dinan’s products will reward you with years of driving fun without the worry associated with other aftermarket products available on the market today.
STOCK STOCK DINAN DINAN GAIN STOCK DINAN GAIN Drive Train STOCK DINAN
RPM RWHP FWHP RWHP FWHP HP FW TRQ FW TRQ TRQ loss factor BOOST BOOST
2500 146 158 173 188 29 333 394 62 1.085 7 8
3000 174 190 209 228 38 332 399 67 1.090 7.3 10
3300 191 209 233 255 46 332 405 73 1.093 8 11.5
3500 197 217 244 268 52 325 403 78 1.100 8.3 12.5
3700 208 229 260 287 57 325 407 81 1.102 8.2 13
4000 219 242 285 315 73 318 413 96 1.105 8.2 13
4300 240 266 311 345 79 325 421 96 1.108 8.8 13.2
4500 248 275 312 346 71 321 404 83 1.110 8.8 13.2
5000 279 311 336 375 64 327 394 67 1.115 8.3 12.5
5500 295 330 337 377 47 316 360 45 1.120 8 11.5
5600 296 332 342 383 52 311 360 48 1.121 7.8 11.4
5700 293 329 342 384 55 303 354 51 1.122 7.6 11.3
6000 293 330 332 374 44 289 327 38 1.125 6.9 11
6500 282 319 313 354 35 257 286 28 1.130 5.9 9.5
7000 259 294 269 305 11 221 229 9 1.135 5.3 7.5
PSI PSI
2008 E90-92 335 SOFTWARE
85MPH COOLING FAN FOR RADIATOR AND INTERCOOLER
Dynopack
93 Octane
Figure 1. Dyno results for a stock 335i vs Dinan 335i (software tuning only)
RWHP – Rear Wheel Horsepower
FWHP- Flywheel Horsepower
FWTRQ- Flywheel Torque
RWTRQ- Rear Wheel Torque
Drivetrain Loss factor – Calculated from the differences in power from the engine dyno and the Dynopack dyno.
Dinan brings real world results
Above (Figure 1) shows the results from the dyno test at Dinan headquarters. The chart shows the stock RWHP and the FWHP versus the Dinan RWHP and FWHP. The max hp gain from the Dinan 335i is 79FWHP @ 4300RPM and the max hp from the Dinan 335i is 383FWHP @ 5600RPM with 11.4 psi of boost. The maximum torque is 421 lb/ft @ 4300 rpm that is a gain of 96ft/lbs over stock with 13.2 psi of boost.
Below (Figure 2) shows the results for the Dinan 335i with the software package and race only X pipe and exhaust. Peak power is increased to 392FWHP @ 5600 RPM with 11.5psi of boost and peak torque is up to 429ft/lb @ 4000RPM with 13psi of boost.
The percentage of drivetrain loss has been a talking point among tuners and the numbers have been fluctuating from 10% to over 17%. What most tuners do not know is that drivetrain loss is not a constant factor; it is determined by the frictional losses throughout the engine and drivetrain which differs throughout the entire rev range. As the car goes faster (MPH goes up on the speedo) the gears, bearings and seals are moving at a higher speed and friction increases Dinan has an in house engine and chassis dyno., with these two tools they have been able to log the drivetrain loss to an accuracy of 1%. The dyno HP and TRQ numbers are the closest to real world conditions as you can find.
RPM STOCK STOCK DINAN DINAN GAIN STOCK DINAN GAIN Drive Train STOCK DINAN
2500 RWHP FWHP RWHP FWHP HP FW TRQ FW TRQ TRQ loss factor BOOST BOOST
3000 146 158 181 196 38 333 413 80 1.085 7 8
3300 174 190 218 238 48 332 416 84 1.090 7.3 10
3500 191 209 241 263 55 332 419 87 1.093 8 11.5
3700 197 217 257 283 66 325 424 99 1.100 8.3 12.5
4000 208 229 274 302 73 325 429 103 1.102 8.2 13
4300 219 242 288 318 76 318 418 100 1.105 8.2 13
4500 240 266 312 346 80 325 422 97 1.108 8.8 13.2
5000 248 275 317 352 77 321 411 89 1.110 8.8 13.2
5500 279 311 336 375 64 327 394 67 1.115 8.3 12.5
5600 295 330 350 392 62 316 374 59 1.120 8 11.5
5700 296 332 348 390 58 311 366 55 1.121 7.8 11.4
6000 293 329 346 388 59 303 358 55 1.122 7.6 11.3
6500 293 330 338 380 51 289 333 44 1.125 6.9 11
7000 282 319 323 365 46 257 295 37 1.130 6 9.5
259 294 281 319 25 221 239 19 1.135 5.3 7.5
PSI PSI
X Pipe
Exh
85MPH COOLING FAN FOR RADIATOR AND INTERCOOLER
D Dynopack
93 Octane
2nd Stage CC taken out
Figure 2. Dyno results for a stock 335i versus the Dinan 335i (software, x pipe and exhaust)
Available now at all 150 Dinan dealers.
Dinan, the leader in BMW tuning is now introducing the long awaited BMW 335i Dinan Performance Engine Software. After 29 years of engineering quality Dinan continues to introduce products that are researched, developed and fully tested to meet and exceed the quality and reliability standards of the BMW factory. This new software continues this tradition and is available December 2007.
Design
The revolutionary Dinan Performance Engine Software increases boost from 8.8psi to 13.2psi with properly retuned fuel mixtures, ignition timing and full map rescaling. All of these dimensions in the software lead to an enhanced car that behaves like stock and operates as reliable as OEM.
Dinan’s software engineering team’s ground-breaking design requires no “piggybacking” or adding “secret” boxes to add onto the ECU. The beauty of Dinan’s design that’s tuned with the proper software tools and not by intercepting and faking signals back into the ECU. The Dinan Performance Engine Software is the only software that addresses all the key areas important to engine performance and safety. Unlike other units currently on the market, the Dinan Performance Engine Software does not compromise reliability. It works in conjunction with the engine management system while preserving all the engine safety monitors.
To top this all off, the ECU for the car does not need to be taken out to load the software. There is no need to take out the ECU and create downtime for customers who want this software. It is completely “plug and play”, go to any Authorized Dinan Dealer and they will upload the software through the OBDII port. Simple, the way it should be.
Performance
The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the boost from 8.8psi to 13.2psi which increases power to 384 hp and 421 lb/ft torque. This is an increase of 52hp and 96 lb/ft of torque. When a Dinan exhaust (rear mufflers and middle exhaust wit X-pipe) are added the output increases to 392hp and 429 lb/ft torque. This is an increase of 62hp and 103 lb/ft of torque. The top speed governor has also been removed to allow the car to reach its full potential.
The drivability stays close to stock as much as possible, although the Dinan Performance Engine Software does give out 50% more boost during the same time frame compared to a stock 335i, enhancing the aggressiveness on the spool up. This creates a driving feel that is unequalled in smooth, rapid power delivery with massive midrange torque.
To even further the performance of the software and preserve engine reliability, Dinan reprograms the electronically controlled water pump to increase flow during high boost usage. In addition Dinan also offers an optional oil cooler. Twice the size of the stock oil cooler, the Dinan unit allows the better heat transfer and flow through the cooler than stock, keeping the engine and turbo’s well within temperature limits with the increase in boost. Dinan has a huge selection of compatible products that will work to compliment the software with more coming out soon.
Warranty
Dinan is the only tuner on the BMW market that has a 4 year/ 50k mile factory matching warranty including consequential damages. If your car does not come with an oil cooler, one is required with the Dinan software to maintain warranty coverage. If you have the factory small oil cooler, Dinan still strongly recommends the larger oil cooler upgrade.
Price
Software cost is $2,000.00, The oil cooler cost is $2,000.00 as well.
The Dinan Way
Dinan has taken the time to comprehensively research what is necessary to do tuning the way the factory would. The Dinan Engine Performance Software is an example of this. There are many different areas other than power that Dinan has addressed to ensure reliability and longevity of your vehicle. Here is just a small list of some of the concerns that were found with the vehicle during research and development.
- At high loads for extended periods of time the oil and water temperature ran much to warm. If these were to be left unchecked it could result in damage to the pistons and cylinder walls. To fix this Dinan remapped the water pump and increased the oil cooler size to keep temperatures under control.
- At higher boost settings in the higher RPM range the turbo exceeded the design RPM limit, shortening the lifespan of the turbo. Dinan addressed this problem by tapering boost gradually at high RPM. Future plans include adding larger turbo’s that can handle higher boost pressures at high RPM’s without compromising the durability of the turbo.
- At high boost, the compressor air temperature would exceed the intercoolers ability to cool the intake charge resulting in loss of power and compromising the long term durability of the engine. Dinan addressed this problem by tapering boost gradually at high RPM. Future plans include adding larger turbo’s and a more efficient intercooler so we can increase boost at high RPM’s without compromising the engine’s durability as well as dramatic additional increases in power.
- The engine block on the 335i may not be torsionally rigid enough to handle the torque load on the engine causing premature crankshaft failures. Studies are currently going on to find the weak point in the block and may include block modifications to make the block more rigid for the future higher power applications.
- We believe with proper research it is possible to increase HP to well in excess of 400 hp and torque to over 450 lb/ft!! This of course with great reliability.
Dinan is not always the first on the market with a product, but we are always the best when it comes to the quality of the product. Engineering takes time and research and to do it right means not to rush to the market with a product that has not been fully evaluated on every side. Dinan’s products will reward you with years of driving fun without the worry associated with other aftermarket products available on the market today.
STOCK STOCK DINAN DINAN GAIN STOCK DINAN GAIN Drive Train STOCK DINAN
RPM RWHP FWHP RWHP FWHP HP FW TRQ FW TRQ TRQ loss factor BOOST BOOST
2500 146 158 173 188 29 333 394 62 1.085 7 8
3000 174 190 209 228 38 332 399 67 1.090 7.3 10
3300 191 209 233 255 46 332 405 73 1.093 8 11.5
3500 197 217 244 268 52 325 403 78 1.100 8.3 12.5
3700 208 229 260 287 57 325 407 81 1.102 8.2 13
4000 219 242 285 315 73 318 413 96 1.105 8.2 13
4300 240 266 311 345 79 325 421 96 1.108 8.8 13.2
4500 248 275 312 346 71 321 404 83 1.110 8.8 13.2
5000 279 311 336 375 64 327 394 67 1.115 8.3 12.5
5500 295 330 337 377 47 316 360 45 1.120 8 11.5
5600 296 332 342 383 52 311 360 48 1.121 7.8 11.4
5700 293 329 342 384 55 303 354 51 1.122 7.6 11.3
6000 293 330 332 374 44 289 327 38 1.125 6.9 11
6500 282 319 313 354 35 257 286 28 1.130 5.9 9.5
7000 259 294 269 305 11 221 229 9 1.135 5.3 7.5
PSI PSI
2008 E90-92 335 SOFTWARE
85MPH COOLING FAN FOR RADIATOR AND INTERCOOLER
Dynopack
93 Octane
Figure 1. Dyno results for a stock 335i vs Dinan 335i (software tuning only)
RWHP – Rear Wheel Horsepower
FWHP- Flywheel Horsepower
FWTRQ- Flywheel Torque
RWTRQ- Rear Wheel Torque
Drivetrain Loss factor – Calculated from the differences in power from the engine dyno and the Dynopack dyno.
Dinan brings real world results
Above (Figure 1) shows the results from the dyno test at Dinan headquarters. The chart shows the stock RWHP and the FWHP versus the Dinan RWHP and FWHP. The max hp gain from the Dinan 335i is 79FWHP @ 4300RPM and the max hp from the Dinan 335i is 383FWHP @ 5600RPM with 11.4 psi of boost. The maximum torque is 421 lb/ft @ 4300 rpm that is a gain of 96ft/lbs over stock with 13.2 psi of boost.
Below (Figure 2) shows the results for the Dinan 335i with the software package and race only X pipe and exhaust. Peak power is increased to 392FWHP @ 5600 RPM with 11.5psi of boost and peak torque is up to 429ft/lb @ 4000RPM with 13psi of boost.
The percentage of drivetrain loss has been a talking point among tuners and the numbers have been fluctuating from 10% to over 17%. What most tuners do not know is that drivetrain loss is not a constant factor; it is determined by the frictional losses throughout the engine and drivetrain which differs throughout the entire rev range. As the car goes faster (MPH goes up on the speedo) the gears, bearings and seals are moving at a higher speed and friction increases Dinan has an in house engine and chassis dyno., with these two tools they have been able to log the drivetrain loss to an accuracy of 1%. The dyno HP and TRQ numbers are the closest to real world conditions as you can find.
RPM STOCK STOCK DINAN DINAN GAIN STOCK DINAN GAIN Drive Train STOCK DINAN
2500 RWHP FWHP RWHP FWHP HP FW TRQ FW TRQ TRQ loss factor BOOST BOOST
3000 146 158 181 196 38 333 413 80 1.085 7 8
3300 174 190 218 238 48 332 416 84 1.090 7.3 10
3500 191 209 241 263 55 332 419 87 1.093 8 11.5
3700 197 217 257 283 66 325 424 99 1.100 8.3 12.5
4000 208 229 274 302 73 325 429 103 1.102 8.2 13
4300 219 242 288 318 76 318 418 100 1.105 8.2 13
4500 240 266 312 346 80 325 422 97 1.108 8.8 13.2
5000 248 275 317 352 77 321 411 89 1.110 8.8 13.2
5500 279 311 336 375 64 327 394 67 1.115 8.3 12.5
5600 295 330 350 392 62 316 374 59 1.120 8 11.5
5700 296 332 348 390 58 311 366 55 1.121 7.8 11.4
6000 293 329 346 388 59 303 358 55 1.122 7.6 11.3
6500 293 330 338 380 51 289 333 44 1.125 6.9 11
7000 282 319 323 365 46 257 295 37 1.130 6 9.5
259 294 281 319 25 221 239 19 1.135 5.3 7.5
PSI PSI
X Pipe
Exh
85MPH COOLING FAN FOR RADIATOR AND INTERCOOLER
D Dynopack
93 Octane
2nd Stage CC taken out
Figure 2. Dyno results for a stock 335i versus the Dinan 335i (software, x pipe and exhaust)
12-10-2007, 02:23 PM
#24
Senior Moderator
the 335i SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
12-10-2007, 02:29 PM
#26
Senior Moderator
sorry, just contributing to the 335i DISScussion thread :P
lolz
lolz
12-10-2007, 03:01 PM
#28
COME AT ME BRO!
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by iforyou
Wow the OP is 27 and already has 4 pretty new and nice cars (or 1 bike and 2 cars and 1 SUV)....
12-10-2007, 03:03 PM
#29
COME AT ME BRO!
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by srika
sorry, just contributing to the 335i DISScussion thread :P
lolz
lolz
12-10-2007, 03:06 PM
#30
COME AT ME BRO!
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by dom
Kinda like Acura forums that discuss nothing but BMW's.
12-10-2007, 03:51 PM
#32
Senior Moderator
ASTON MARTINS FOREVER!!! 
Sorry, had to post that here.
Sorry, had to post that here.
12-10-2007, 03:51 PM
#33
Senior Moderator
:ibsomeonesaysBMW>AstonMartin:
12-10-2007, 04:43 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
First buy one, then talk.
Sure, it's 1/18 and all...
12-10-2007, 04:44 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
First buy one, then talk.
12-10-2007, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Because most of the info is spread over 10 threads. If we bumped all of them up then AZ would get annoyed.
I think this is a better idea, we can keep it all in one thread now. Maybe if the mods want to even merge the old threads in one, that would work as well.
Oh and the 335i ownz all.
Who all here has one?
I think this is a better idea, we can keep it all in one thread now. Maybe if the mods want to even merge the old threads in one, that would work as well.
Oh and the 335i ownz all.
Who all here has one?
ummm...
(raise my hand here) ... 
but yours look better 
...
12-10-2007, 10:13 PM
#38
Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by rifleman-cl
ummm... (raise my hand here) ... but yours look better ...
(raise my hand here) ... but yours look better ... Wait till he starts then we'll see what.
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